9/11 Timeline

[Sabrina]

Apologies if this has been seen before, but I did a (admittedly quick) search and didn't see any threads mentioning it, so I thought I'd bring it up.

I belong to an email list on which someone today posted a link to a 61 page website that offers a timeline of events the author(s) felt were important to 9/11 all the way up through today. The first event listed is back in the late seventies, for reference. I was able to give it a cursory glance and my personal opinion is that it's rather conspiracy oriented, but I thought I'd run it by the debunkers on this forum to get your opinions. Link is as follows:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=0

I told my fellow list member that I would see if anyone here had anything to add to the discussion; thought it would be interesting to see if anyone here has seen this. Thanks in advance!

[BigAl]

Apologies if this has been seen before, but I did a (admittedly quick) search and didn't see any threads mentioning it, so I thought I'd bring it up.

I belong to an email list on which someone today posted a link to a 61 page website that offers a timeline of events the author(s) felt were important to 9/11 all the way up through today. The first event listed is back in the late seventies, for reference. I was able to give it a cursory glance and my personal opinion is that it's rather conspiracy oriented, but I thought I'd run it by the debunkers on this forum to get your opinions. Link is as follows:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=0

I told my fellow list member that I would see if anyone here had anything to add to the discussion; thought it would be interesting to see if anyone here has seen this. Thanks in advance!

Each article in that website is a short summary of a story in the media and there is a link or a citation to the original source. The content is as good as the sources are. You should never accept a quote from HC without reading the original.

A book came out of that project. I have it and it's a great read and I have marked it up for future reference. By browsing the book cover to cover, you'll pick up factoids you'd never get otherwise. The web site complements and updates the book.

The Terror Timeline.
http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-11/dp/0060783389

[Brainster]

As I put it a few years ago, it's half valuable resource, half CT woo. The original sources are valuable but too many of them have expired links. And it's wiki-like in that anybody can edit it. At one point, I remember quoting (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/06/screw-fabled-enemies.html) their excellent summary of how Barry Jennings was caught in WTC-7:

Among them are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Mike Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor headquarters of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management some time before 10 a.m., but found it empty. (It was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.; see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001.) They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m.

But you can probably guess what happened afterwards; somebody changed it back to emphasize Jennings' faulty memory:

Among these individuals are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Michael Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor emergency command center of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management after the first attack occurred, but found it empty (see (Shortly Before 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001)

They then headed downstairs but became trapped around the eighth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase. After breaking a window and calling for help, they were spotted by firefighters outside. When the firefighters go in, they also find a security officer for one of the businesses based in the building, who is trapped on the seventh floor by the smoke in the stairway. Why this guard did not evacuate earlier, along with the rest of WTC 7, is unknown. All three men are escorted out of the building.

It has since been changed even further, to indicate why that guard was in the building:

This officer headed up the building after the South Tower collapsed at 9:59, to check that all his personnel had left there (see (Shortly After 9:59 a.m.-12:10 p.m.) September 11, 2001).

You will see a definite slant towards the conspiracy theories. For example, I noted this bit of "analysis" (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a040199jarrahphoto#a040199jarrahp hoto):

Ziad Jarrah has an unofficial wedding with his girlfriend, Aysel Senguen. Interestingly, a photo apparently taken by Jarrah at the wedding is found by German intelligence several days after 9/11. An undercover agent will be able immediately to identify 10 of the 18 men in the photo, as well as where it was taken: the prayer room of Hamburg’s Al-Quds mosque. He is also able to identify which of them attended Mohamed Atta’s study group. He knows even “seemingly trivial details” of some of the men, showing that “probably almost all members of the Hamburg terror cell” have been watched by German state intelligence since this time, if not before. The head of the state intelligence had previously maintained that they knew nothing of any of these men.

Unfortunately the link to the original source has expired on that one, so we can't tell how much of the suspicion expressed in that post comes from the original article and how much from the poster at the TT.

Like all Troofers they throw in "allegedly" in many places where it isn't needed, like their section on the "Alleged Hijackers" (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_alleged_9/11_hijackers). But of course when it suits the Troof, suddenly the "allegedly" disappears as in this discussion of Able Danger (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=ableDanger):

A US Army intelligence program called Able Danger identifies five al-Qaeda terrorist cells; one of them has connections to Brooklyn, New York and will become informally known as the “Brooklyn” cell by the Able Danger team. This cell includes 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta, and three other 9/11 hijackers: Marwan Alshehhi, Khalid Almihdhar, and Nawaf Alhazmi.

Of course, the Able Danger claims are far from proven; indeed a Senate committee that looked into them was quite skeptical. But the Timeline presents the claims as fact.

[RedIbis]

Each article in that website is a short summary of a story in the media and there is a link or a citation to the original source. The content is as good as the sources are. You should never accept a quote from HC without reading the original.

A book came out of that project. I have it and it's a great read and I have marked it up for future reference. By browsing the book cover to cover, you'll pick up factoids you'd never get otherwise. The web site complements and updates the book.

The Terror Timeline.
http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-11/dp/0060783389


Indeed. The single best resource on the web for any media report on 9/11.

[beachnut]

Posts of news stories, quotes, misquotes of articles and statements derived from articles or papers but not exactly truthful to the source sometimes. The time-line appear to be formed and manufactured with a CT agenda. You can't base your ideas on the information presented you have to double check and confirm the information contained in History Common time-line.

Example of a faulty quote.
http://www.historycommons.org/pics/childbullet.gif Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU News, 10/2001 http://www.historycommons.org/pics/icons/pdfbw.png (http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf)]
This was manufactured by History commons and is not true. They take words from someone and say they are from Robertson. Poor comprehension is a constant throughout the time-line when statements are manufactured from articles and not directly quoted.

You can use the time-line to debunk the lies of the conspiracy minded 911 delusional idea movement after checking for facts and evidence, sort out the hearsay and made up junk, and read to discover the "rest of the story".

[firecoins]

I thought this was another Norm Minetta thread.

[Björn Toulouse]

I thought this was another Norm Minetta thread.


I remember him. Wasn't he the Secretary of Teleportation in the Bush administration?

[Sabrina]

'Bout the response I figured I'd get; thanks guys. I'll pass some of that along to my fellow list member.