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fishbob
10th December 2003, 01:16 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilian_casualties_3
This article was up on Yahoo news for a very short time. You have to search for it now.

By NIKO PRICE, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi Health Ministry officials ordered a halt to a count of civilian casualties from the war and told workers not to release figures already compiled, the head of the ministry's statistics department told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The health minister, Dr. Khodeir Abbas, denied that he or the U.S.-led occupation authority had anything to do with the order, and said he didn't even know about the survey of deaths, which number in the thousands.

Dr. Nagham Mohsen, the head of the ministry's statistics department, said the order came from the ministry's director of planning, Dr. Nazar Shabandar, who told her it was on behalf of Abbas. She said the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority, which oversees the ministry, didn't like the idea of the count either.

"We have stopped the collection of this information because our minister didn't agree with it," she said, adding: "The CPA doesn't want this to be done."

So many opportunities for lies. If this is true, why do these guys want the number of civilian deaths to remain uncounted? They are supposed to be rebuilding infrastructure.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/business/index.html

members (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030707-0342.html)
Major General Carl Strock is a professional military engineer with decades of experience with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. He currently is the deputy director of Operations for the Coalition Provisional Authority.

Mr. Andy Bearpark, who is a veteran overseas development and humanitarian aid official for the British government, with experience in field postings all over the globe. He serves as the CPA's director of Regional Services in Baghdad.

Grammatron
10th December 2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by fishbob
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilian_casualties_3
This article was up on Yahoo news for a very short time. You have to search for it now.



So many opportunities for lies. If this is true, why do these guys want the number of civilian deaths to remain uncounted? They are supposed to be rebuilding infrastructure.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/business/index.html

members (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030707-0342.html)
Major General Carl Strock is a professional military engineer with decades of experience with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. He currently is the deputy director of Operations for the Coalition Provisional Authority.

Mr. Andy Bearpark, who is a veteran overseas development and humanitarian aid official for the British government, with experience in field postings all over the globe. He serves as the CPA's director of Regional Services in Baghdad.

This is kind of f***ed up here. I hope there is something we are not hearing, but I don't see any logical reason for this. This just gives nuclear ammunition to people who are against the war, what the hell were they thinking when they came up with this idea?

The Fool
10th December 2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Grammatron


This is kind of f***ed up here. I hope there is something we are not hearing, but I don't see any logical reason for this. This just gives nuclear ammunition to people who are against the war, what the hell were they thinking when they came up with this idea?
yes, dammit...we can't let the truth escape can we.

Earthborn
10th December 2003, 02:42 PM
Oh, well. As long as the free press is allowed to report civilian deaths, we can always count on Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm).

I mean, what are they going to do against the free press? Attack them? (http://www.ottawamuslim.net/Newsarticles/feature_almisry_journalists.htm) :(

Grammatron
10th December 2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Earthborn
Oh, well. As long as the free press is allowed to report civilian deaths, we can always count on Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm).

I mean, what are they going to do against the free press? Attack them? (http://www.ottawamuslim.net/Newsarticles/feature_almisry_journalists.htm) :(

You will forgive me if I do not trust "Ottawa Muslim Network," plus the article is an opinion piece at the very least.

Earthborn
11th December 2003, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Grammatron
You will forgive me if I do not trust "Ottawa Muslim Network," plus the article is an opinion piece at the very least.Ah, you noticed. :)

Yes, the article speculates that these bombings were deliberate and that is of course purely an opinion. As you have noticed I put a question mark after 'attack them'. I didn't bring it up as evidence, but rather as a possibility.

Of course there is little doubt that the bombings happened. It has been all over the news: CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/08/sprj.irq.media.hit/), BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2927527.stm), etc...

So maybe it isn't a deliberate attack. Maybe the first missile on the Al Jazeerah office was a mistake. And the second too. And those rounds fired at Abu Dhabi TV minutes later were also a mistake.

I mean, it isn't that mistakes like these never happened before (http://media.guardian.co.uk/attack/story/0,1301,592831,00.html)!