August Stundie Nominations

[Travis]

Nominate the best, most humorous, conspiracy related quackery and nonsense. Have fun, as always, folks.

[AJM8125]

This actually was posted on 7/31 but I found it today so I'll take a guess and post it here.

Funny you should choose a "liberal" location such as Santa Cruz where probably the majority of its citizens know 911 is a lie. Is it just another of your lies to suggest that a person from "liberal" Santa Cruz would disagree with Joe Six Pack and therefore, by implication, many in Santa Cruz do as well. Suspicious to say the least. so I am pretty sure I am on to you. I have seen the dishonesty too many times before here and elsewhere to be fooled.

But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to reply to my own, orginal thought experiment that I even proposed to the Mythbusters, which I know for a fact they will never try to do although they recently "proved" the moon landing conspiracy was "Busted"!

Here it is again--the 911 Thought Experiment--that proves without a doubt that 911 is, and always has been, a collossal lie:

Take the wing of a 767 airplane as is purported to have flown into the World Trade Center building and cement it in place 20 feet off the ground horizontally, and then project a steel I-beam of the same specs as used in the building's construction at 300 mph. Now will the wing slice the steel beam in half or vice versus? We all know the answer to this question and therefore can easily extrapolate that 911 is an unmitigated lie that has been used to murder millions of Muslims, although many more were murdered prior to 911 in Iraq both through war and sanctions.

But wait there is more about my 911 Thought Experiment. There were at least ten of these steel I-beams that the wing of the commercial airliner had to slice through, not to mention the cement, rebar, spandrels, etc. of multiple floors due to the angle of the supposed trajectory we saw on lying CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox News, etc. that used fake videos live on our boobtubes. All of the so-called amateur videos are fake as well. If 911 were truly true, there literally would be tens of thousands of still pictures of these planes flying and hundreds of videos. Yet they do not exist. As for the so-called live witnesses, few are credible for every so-called eyewitness there are an equal number who witnessed something else. The passengers who supposedly died? Who knows? They could be dead, fictitious, alive somewhere, or some combination.

But, alas, the true beauty of the No Plane Theory is that this limits the number of people involved from 10s of thousands to a hundred or so. Just the right combination of military, CIA killing hogs, government perps, Christian/Jewish Armageddonists, Zionist scum and media controllers. It is easy to blackmail or pay anyone today enough money to do evil and keep them quiet. Indeed, 2 trillion dollars disappeared the day before from the Pentagon budget and this was the area of the Pentagon--where its accountants and auditors where--that was destroyed, but not by a commercial airliner. And what a marketing coup these savvy Muslims had! To pick Sept. 11 (911, our national police emergency call number, of all dates!!) as the day to pull this, a day to always be remembered as to why we should hate those evil, non,-capitialistic decapitating hostage (Can you say Richard Pearl, the Jew?) women-hating Muslims, whom, by the way and not non-coincidentally, hate the State of Israel and Zionism in particular .

911 is a lie. I swear by this.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pol/1299629451.html

That was special.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

All of the so-called amateur videos are fake as well. If 911 were truly true, there literally would be tens of thousands of still pictures of these planes flying and hundreds of videos. Yet they do not exist.


*cries* If they faked a handful of amateur videos, why not fake "tens of thousands" of pictures and "hundreds" of videos? (I have no doubt that, if there were that many of each, this nut would increase the numbers that there "should have been" to millions and hundreds of thousands, respectively. It's a game of keep-away.)

But, alas, the true beauty of the No Plane Theory is that this limits the number of people involved from 10s of thousands to a hundred or so.


Maybe, if you don't count all those people down on the street who are refusing to come out and say, "You know what? I don't actually remember seeing planes hit those buildings. Huh..."

[AJM8125]

*cries* If they faked a handful of amateur videos, why not fake "tens of thousands" of pictures and "hundreds" of videos? (I have no doubt that, if there were that many of each, this nut would increase the numbers that there "should have been" to millions and hundreds of thousands, respectively. It's a game of keep-away.)

Nailed it. This guy has rocket propelled goalposts and the more you call him on his claims, the more bizzarre the claims become. But alas troofers(or maybe one behind several proxies) have taken over that board and most "debunker" posts are flagged off, so any debate is usually deleted, leaving the truther posts up and thus a truther victory. :rolleyes:

Strangely enough, any post that has a link to Gravy's pages has a nearly zero survival rate and any Richard Gage's box demonstration gets removed immediately. Might be Gage himself? Makes sense.

[Dr Adequate]

The plot thickens (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/675037):

This media obsession with the crazy birther movement is being manufactured by the liberal media [...] The media is trying to use this to paint all conservatives as crazy to encourage public support for Obama and his health care plan.

[Mel Odious]

Uh-oh fellow NWO members, one of our little "codes" to the media has been deciphered:


There is one other feature about the "crash" that's worth mentioning - and I think it must be a coded message to the media to leave it alone.

On 9/11 there was "One Israeli" on each of the passenger lists. Well the main ones anyway! Lewin and Alona Avraham

Flight 587, the one that crashed in Queens, 8 weeks after "9/11" there was one Israeli on board.

On Beverly Eckert's "flight" there was one Israeli on board, according to Wiki

Haaretz says there were 2 Israelis

Not pointing fingers, like I say I think it's code for "Leave Well Alone".


9/11 Truth Movement Forums. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6945&view=findpost&p=15445693)

[Klimax]

You know when idiocy stares into your face...

Hey if anyone wants to create their own "authentic" Kenyan Birth Certificate you can find the template and instructions here. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6206640)

You think forging official documents is funny? This is the same outfit that forges documents for the state of Hawaii.

:confused:

:cool:
Sure.Hawaii needs to forge,they cannot create at will...

[Caustic Logic]

Nominate the best, most humorous, conspiracy related quackery and nonsense. Have fun, as always, folks.

Well just from that I don't see the reason not to...

I nominate this post by Light in Darkness.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4961707&postcount=116
Operation Ajax is an excellent exampled of a failed coup conspiracy thanks to that little thing called the Islamic Revolution
That's right, responding to allegations of the CIA doing shady conspiratorial stuff and succesfully steering global affairs, the 1953 coup was a total failure since the U.S. didn't gain PERMANENT control of Iran. Just one part of a slew of heedless coincidence theorism run amok.

I'm sure it's not a winner, but worth nominating IMO.

ETA: A few posts later he explains a little:
I never stated Operation Ajax was "a failed coup" - I stated the US attempt to control Iran through the shah was a spectacular failure. The citation debunked your claims about operation Ajax.
Sorry, "failed coup conspiracy." I'll have to check the citation, being an article, but I doubt it will do much to contradict thousands of political prisoners and the like who disagree about the level of control the Shah was able to project for his American sponsors. Two and a half decades of successful control is nothing to scoff at.

[LightinDarkness]

I nominate this post by Caustic Logic:

Well just from that I don't see the reason not to...

I nominate this post by Light in Darkness.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4961707&postcount=116

That's right, responding to allegations of the CIA doing shady conspiratorial stuff and succesfully steering global affairs, the 1953 coup was a total failure since the U.S. didn't gain PERMANENT control of Iran. Just one part of a slew of heedless coincidence theorism run amok.

I'm sure it's not a winner, but worth nominating IMO.

ETA: A few posts later he explains a little:

Sorry, "failed coup conspiracy." I'll have to check the citation, being an article, but I doubt it will do much to contradict thousands of political prisoners and the like who disagree about the level of control the Shah was able to project for his American sponsors. Two and a half decades of successful control is nothing to scoff at.

Yeah, that whole Operation Ajax thing worked so well, the United States government is still in control of Iran with the Shah...er..wait. Thats right, we are not. What makes this post a particular good example of stupidity is Causitc blatantly ignores a peer reviewed article I cited that backed up my point.

Keep it up, Caustic. Just about every post of yours is good for a nomination :)

[Dave Rogers]

How do you tell that a movement is alive and well? By how monstrously outnumbered it is by its opponents, of course.

I find it really funny to hear that the Movement for Truth is almost dead when on this forum alone there are at least one hundred debunkers for every Truther.

By that master of the form, bill smith.

Dave

[funk de fino]

"This left NYC CAN 3,997 signatures short of what is needed to put the petition before the City Council."


How brutally ironic that the shortfall is approximately the same number of people that were killed on 911.

Approximately??? Only about a thousand out (or am I splitting hairs here?).

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20800

Some fellow truther corrects his claim and he replies with this gem. (Despite the earlier claim that it was "on 911")

There have been hundreds of deaths (so far) by virtue of "air quality".

Cannot even admit to a fellow truther he was wrong and has to shift goalposts.

[Grizzly Bear]

Here's a gem from the LCF:

For a long time I just assumed that the steel structure of the Towers was welded together. Then I found out that the curtain walls were not welded and according to this document, neither were the cores. Everything was put together with bolts. The Towers were very much like a stack of Lego blocks. Now Lego blocks are really strong, but drop a model from even just a few feet and watch the blocks scatter as soon as it hits the floor. Then imagine what would happen to these Legos if you put some explosives in just the right places. They would fall apart very easily.

To build such tall buildings with just bolts was the cheap way out and a very bad idea. Especially, considering the conditions that the buildings were going to be subjected to. Because the buildings were subjected to a lot of wind most of the time, they were designed to sway back and forth. What happened is that over the life of the buildings, all this movement started loosening all the bolts. The buildings were become very dangerous and would have to come down soon anyway. Staging a terrorist attack sure would start to look like a win, win situation, I'm sure.

[sylvan8798]

Here's a gem from the LCF:


To build such tall buildings with just bolts was the cheap way out and a very bad idea. Especially, considering the conditions that the buildings were going to be subjected to. Because the buildings were subjected to a lot of wind most of the time, they were designed to sway back and forth. What happened is that over the life of the buildings, all this movement started loosening all the bolts. The buildings were become very dangerous and would have to come down soon anyway. Staging a terrorist attack sure would start to look like a win, win situation, I'm sure.

Yeah, lots of buildings going on the demolition block soon due to loose bolts.:covereyes

[Mel Odious]

Grizzly Bear, how about a screen name and a link for that quote? You've got a contender for sure!


Of course, extensive research employing lego blocks to model the twin towers has already been conducted by our resident (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=97419) expert (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4428525), 1337m4n.

[NWO Sentryman]

bwinwright, with his usual hit and run posting.

The U.S. Government is Totally Corrupt

Instead of writing a long article to explain how the U.S. Government is totally corrupt, I am just going to give you some homework to do on the internet. Today, Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, I Googled the following subjects and got the number of hits you see listed beside them. Just check this out, perhaps by studying just two or three hits for each subject:

1- U.S. Government Corruption…10,400,000 hits
2- Political Corruption…12,900,000 hits
3- FBI Corruption…4,140,000 hits
4- CIA Corruption…2,920,000 hits
5- FDA Corruption…980,000 hits
6- SEC Corruption…2,970,000 hits
7- Drug Company Corruption…780,000 hits
8- Suppressed Cancer Treatments…449,000 hits
9- Cholesterol Lie…1,110,000 hits
10- CIA Drug Smuggling…878,000 hits
11- False Flag Operations…8,390,000 hits
12- Illuminati…8,620,000
13- New World Order…290,000,000 hits
14- 9/11 was an inside job…2,710,000 hits
15- Bush Family Corruption…2,010,000 hits
16- Vatican Corruption…1,060,000 hits
17- Catholic Church Corruption…6,330,000 hits
18- Jesuit Corruption…1,630,000 hits
19- Rothschild Corruption…2,770,000 hits
20- Rockefeller Corruption…5,500,000 hits
21- The Black Pope…5,810,000 hits

If you are wondering, all of these subjects are intimately connected. Currently, we are living under fascist rule. Mussolini coined the term fascism to describe the form of government that exists to serve the best interests of the corporations, not the people.

The U.S. Government and the mainstream media are both totally controlled by the corrupt corporate elite, thereby making all of them totally corrupt…and fascist. Our recent experience with the Wall Street Mafia has made all of this so blatantly obvious.

as we can see here, the almighty google has taken over.

[Manly Man]

We built 'em. Better use 'em.

From the comments section at Infowars (that counts, right?)

http://www.infowars.com/shocking-new-birth-certificate-proof-obama-born-in-kenya/#comment-1227559

If this is absolutely true it would be a great mistake to just give a slap on the hand and let Biden slither up the ladder and just let everything continue with the same o same o. An example needs to be made, a lesson to anyone or any party that this is the penalty, think real hard before you screw with the people of the USA. We the people have paid for a lot of FEMA camps and anyone that has been involved with this corruption should be in them and once we crack this nut and get inside and start taking back our country we’ll fill our camps with all the crooks that have sold out our great nation for there own selfish greed. They like feeding, spraying and injecting us with poison then that’s all they should get. Like Rahm says “don’t let a good opportunity go to waste” well here it is people, if proven true we’ve found the crack in the nut. Lets sort this lot out and get back to living as god and are founding fathers intended for us to live. With respect, pride and FREEDOM

Our horrible leaders have gassed us with chemicals from overhead, poisoned us with vaccines, and are going to put us in forced labor camps. But on the bright side, once we're in charge we'll already have the infrastructure to support our own new world order. Except we'll only do those things to the people that deserve it or those that reject GOD and freedom.

[Horatius]

I'm nominating bill smith. ferd burfle's post is here for the context.


Others said it and I will too. Your "intuition" and "common sense" are not serving you well, bill. For example, foam, similar to a styrafoam ice chest. punched a hole in the space shuttle wing:

www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/columbia/impact.html

Even some experienced scientists and engineers thought this couldn't happen. It took a demonstration with a full scale mockup to show that it could and undoubtedly did. An insubstantial object, impacting at sufficiently high velocity, can damage or destroy a much more substantial object.

Regards,

ferd

Let me think bout it ?........No-no way. End of story.


That right folks, the Columbia accident could not have happened. End of story.

[IMST]

ZOMG! JK Rowling, Tony Blair and, um, the corpse of Princess Di conspired to put BHO in office!
From where did this strange man named Barack Hussein Obama come, and how did he rise from obscurity? Twelve years ago, in the year 1997, while Barack Obama was being groomed and prepped for his position as President of the United States, three amazing things happened. In that year of 1997, Tony Blair, the occultist, was elected Prime Minister of Britain; Diana, Princess of Wales, died when the car she was in crashed into the thirteenth pillar of the roadway she was traveling on; and a new children’s book called Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone was published. That book by Janet K. Rowling and all her subsequent books became a part of an occult blueprint that would shape the hearts and minds of an entire generation to receive the Antichrist. Witchcraft was glorified in Rowling’s books as having a good side. It was a progressive brainwashing of good witchcraft triumphing over evil witchcraft. But it was all witchcraft, and it was all of Satan! Ministers of mainstream “Christianity” also jumped on that bandwagon, and thus, they touted “good” witchcraft.

Now we are going into our thirteenth year since the first Harry Potter book was published. The latest and most recent book in the series was made into a movie also, and it is scheduled to open in theaters everywhere on July 15th, 2009. The movie takes its title from the latest Harry Potter book and is entitled Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. (4) It is more than strange and ominous that the United States of America for the first time in its history as a nation has a President that is a half-blood prince! (This is being academically stated and is not intended as a racial remark.) In the year 2010, President Obama is planning to be presented as the saviour of the planet. This is scheduled to coincide with the thirteenth year of the Harry Potter mania that has swept our world.
link (http://lasttrumpetnewsletter.org/2009/08_09.html)

[Dave Rogers]

ZOMG! JK Rowling, Tony Blair and, um, the corpse of Princess Di conspired to put BHO in office!

You have to admire the sort of research skills that can even get Joanne Rowling's name wrong.

Dave

[uk_dave]

You have to admire the sort of research skills that can even get Joanne Rowling's name wrong.

Dave

Joanne is the satanic version of Janet.

Janet and John have innocent fun flying kites and playing with kittens, whereas Joanne and John do naughty things behind the woodshed.

It's all been admitted.

[Travis]

We built 'em. Better use 'em.

From the comments section at Infowars (that counts, right?)

http://www.infowars.com/shocking-new-birth-certificate-proof-obama-born-in-kenya/#comment-1227559



Our horrible leaders have gassed us with chemicals from overhead, poisoned us with vaccines, and are going to put us in forced labor camps. But on the bright side, once we're in charge we'll already have the infrastructure to support our own new world order. Except we'll only do those things to the people that deserve it or those that reject GOD and freedom.

I like that he even mangled Rahm's quote.

I'm nominating bill smith. ferd burfle's post is here for the context.


That right folks, the Columbia accident could not have happened. End of story.

"Columbia astronauts found vacationing in Rio! More at eleven!"

[Grizzly Bear]

Grizzly Bear, how about a screen name and a link for that quote? You've got a contender for sure!

DoYouEverWonder
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1992629/1/

Screenshot coming soon
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6028/84200981521pm.th.png (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/84200981521pm.png/)
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6028/84200981521pm.png


I think I saved the page in one of my firefox sessions on my other laptop. When I get home I'll go pull it up. Google ain't finding it and I don't remember which thread it was in... Xd

[Cl1mh4224rd]

That right folks, the Columbia accident could not have happened. End of story.


An alternate interpretation, since the first sentence was presented in the form of a question, is that he just refuses to think about it. End of story. :)

[Horatius]

An alternate interpretation, since the first sentence was presented in the form of a question, is that he just refuses to think about it. End of story. :)



I concede that your interpretation could be valid.


But it's still a Stundie!

[DavidJames]

An alternate interpretation, since the first sentence was presented in the form of a question, is that he just refuses to think about it. End of story. :)The beauty is, of course, it works as a Stundie in either case.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I concede that your interpretation could be valid.

But it's still a Stundie!

The beauty is, of course, it works as a Stundie in either case.


Definitely. :)

[Dr Adequate]

ZOMG! JK Rowling, Tony Blair and, um, the corpse of Princess Di conspired to put BHO in office! OK, you win.

[IMST]

Nominating out of Snopes, which I'm not certain is sourceable enough since the article is about an email forward. However, the headspinning inconsistancy within this paragraph is stunning:
The CDC says H1N1 is currently wiping out entire villagees in Asia. They expect it to hit the US in Jan/Feb where it will kill 6 out of 10 people. It HAS mutated. (Throw out the conspiracy theory) They will attempt a program of mandatory vaccinations but probably will not have enough time to enforce it. I will not be vaccinated. the last time they did mandatory vaccinations at least one person died and many others developed Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is a devastating illness.
The flu will kill 6 out of 10, but I'm not going to risk being the at least one out of 300 million that dies from the vaccine.
Snopes didn't let me select text, so some spelling errors may be mine, in fairness. link (http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/swineflu.asp)

[Dr Adequate]

You win twice.

Stop it, give the rest of us a chance.

[IMST]

I'm not gonna win for July, so I'm feeling the need to step it up.

[Damien Evans]

You have to admire the sort of research skills that can even get Joanne Rowling's name wrong.

Dave

Be fair. It's not like she's one of the most famous fantasy writers of the last 50 years or anything. I bet she hasn't even had one movie made from her books, and certainly not one of the highest grossing film series of all time or anything like that.

And for bonus points, her middle name is most certainly not Kathleen.

[jaydeehess]

The plot thickens (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/675037):

This media obsession with the crazy birther movement is being manufactured by the liberal media [...] The media is trying to use this to paint all conservatives as crazy to encourage public support for Obama and his health care plan.

Hmmm, jjfox sounds a lot like a poster I know on the Blackvault, "Code Black", who stated that the mistakes that GWB made were caused by the liberals in order to make public opinion of all conservatives go down.

[jaydeehess]

Yeah, lots of buildings going on the demolition block soon due to loose bolts.:covereyes

Well its a lot easier and cheaper than going around to every-single-bolt in the structure, one-by-one,,,,,, and tightening them.:D

I already know that I am voting for bill smith this time though. Confronted with definitive evidence and he simply refuses it, priceless.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Bill Smith thinks mashing a dangerous organism into its component organic chemicals makes it more dangerous.

Do you mean that no massively expnensive specialised equipment is needed to grind say Anthrax down to weaponised nano-levels ?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Bill Smith thinks mashing a dangerous organism into its component organic chemicals makes it more dangerous.


It does exist! No grinding, necessary, though... http://i11.tinypic.com/6txd94z.jpg

[Slayhamlet]

This is funny, in a kind of sick way. From the YouTube comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kWya_oVC8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.randi.org%2Fshowthread.ph p%3Fp%3D4975470&feature=player_embedded).


The childish fight between Steven E. Jones and Jim Fetzer over whether Thermite or Space Beams Weapons brought down the towers was a Jewish act.

Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, Alex Jones, Eric Hufschmid and the others are Jews. They're actually working on the same side as Jewish George Bush and the Jewish media.

Apparently the new definition of the word "Jew" is "person I disagree with". Among the most paranoid of anti-Semites, anyway.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Apparently the new definition of the word "Jew" is "person I disagree with". Among the most paranoid of anti-Semites, anyway.


http://images.cl1mh4224rd.com/jref/i-see-jewish-people.jpg

[Travis]

Nominating out of Snopes, which I'm not certain is sourceable enough since the article is about an email forward. However, the headspinning inconsistancy within this paragraph is stunning:

The flu will kill 6 out of 10, but I'm not going to risk being the at least one out of 300 million that dies from the vaccine.
Snopes didn't let me select text, so some spelling errors may be mine, in fairness. link (http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/swineflu.asp)

Not only is that twisted logic funny but they have a funny way of distinguishing danger since only like 500 people out of 52 million actually developed Guillain-Barre syndrome.

[Nick Terry]

I've got a live one. It comes from a certain Holocaust-denying 'ralphgordon', who in an especially nice touch has admitted to posting solely from computers in public places, in case Mossad gets him.

... why can't you guys just admit that Hitler was a one-quarter Jew, and so it would have been inconceivable that he would have overseen a "Holocaust" of the Jews. David Icke gives you the facts at http://reactor-core.org/hitler-jew.html Prove that it is wrong or forever be silent! Only those at Stormfront or "exterminationists" seem to get upset at the notion.

This is the Stormfront link is http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=496584 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=496584) Unfortunately the computer I am using is blocking my access to Stormfront at present, and proxify can't help, so can someone copy and paste the Stormfront material, although, from past experience, I would assume that they, being the anti-semitic scum they are, would negate the notion that Hitler was part-Jewish.

I should make clear, however, that I consider David Icke's general thesis, about the Illuminati and such, very dubious; but he does present what is apparently valid information concerning the notion of Hitler's being a quarter-Jew. Also, also David Icke is not, apparently, a "Holocaust denier" in the conventional sense, as far as I can tell.

Linky (http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/124045/t/The-Holodomor-Affair-.html#reply-124045)

[Mr.D]

The beauty is, of course, it works as a Stundie in either case. A Double Stuntendre?

[Nick Terry]

It seems to be a recurring pattern that once a nut makes one remark that is Stundie-worthy, they start making more. Such is the case with 'ralphgordon', who has evidently decided to keep digging himself deeper and deeper on the subject of Hitler's supposed Jewishness.


As I think I have made clear I don't necessarily believe that Hitler was part-Jewish, although it seems quite possible. This may seem a very existential argument but surely it is not a co-incidence that Hitler's name is a household word, just as in the case of such Jews as Freud, Marx, Einstein, etc.


Link (http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/124089/t/The-Holodomor-Affair-.html#reply-124089)

[Travis]

Hitler's name is a household word not because of his atrocities but because he was part Jewish? Wow.

[eirik]

He was right, I think. It was a very " existencial argument", as in "does that argument exist?"

[Horatius]

He was right, I think. It was a very " existencial argument", as in "does that argument exist?"



Alas, apparently, it does.

[Toke]

It has always amused me that the aryan master race were championed by a small swarty fella with narrow shoulders and wide hips.

[Nick Terry]

Hitler's name is a household word not because of his atrocities but because he was part Jewish? Wow.

Someone turned it into a syllogism back on the forum-of-origin

I think you've struck gold here.

Some Jews have famous names.
Hitler has a famous name.
Therefore, Hitler must have been a Jew.

Stundie-worthy Holocaust deniers are actually pretty rare; most of their nonsense is either pompous or plain vile, and the innumerable examples of teh stupid tend only to be amusing to people extremely familiar with the sources.

But every so often you get someone like Ralph. Ralph is special. :jaw-dropp

[Horatius]

That is what I was talking about. When the core of the top falling portion came down on the lower stationary portion of the core those beams had to impact. It is not like the columns could just go between each other.



The "Robin Hood" Theory of column collapse.

[joe911]

What if Nine Eleven happened to prevent World War III

?

Link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1181318&postcount=1)

[Grizzly Bear]

Link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1181318&postcount=1)

paradoxes ROCK

Stundied as being one of the weirdest things I've ever read... I felt tempted to respond but I found out pretty quickly that might not be a good idea. You ask him to address one point he he tangents off to more than 9,000!

TBtpyeLxVkI

The main problem with the bolt shearing theory is one of uniformity. There's still a hell of a lot of torque that should have made the plane twist to the right then bend at the pivot point according to angle of entry. Others have said similar things. We've all (I assume) seen car crash vids. When irresistible force meets immovable object, unfortunately for the official story pushers a thin aluminum skinned plane in this case just ain't that irresistible, no matter the (impossible) velocity at impact.

[alienentity]

Nominated: Bill Smith and Isaac Newton and Heiwa's C vs A...

' Quote:
Originally Posted by bill smith
'Unless you can answer the question that Newton and friends could not answer then the burden of proof is on you. You have to show how one-tenth of a structure can crush the other nine-tenths of the same structure down to the ground by gravity alone.

You have to show why WTC1 is the very first structure in the known history of the universe to get away with violating Newton's laws.'

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4986710#post4986710

'Actually I was wondering if there might be a 'Newton Society ' or 'Newton foundaton' in the US or UK ? Some group dedicated to the memory of the great man ?

Maybe someone should lay it out for them and ask them for a comment . '

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4987127#post4987127

[Dave Rogers]

I don't quite know what to make of this from bill smith.

This was not a classic CD. It was a CD masquerading very poorly as somebodies idea of how a natural collapse might look.

So the evidence that it was a CD is that it looked like it wasn't supposed to look like a CD, it looked like it was supposed to look like a natural collapse, but it didn't actually look like a natural collapse. The people who did it didn't know what a natural collapse looks like, but bill smith does, and it doesn't look like one, but it looks like they think one would look like.

Or something.

Dave

[Mashuna]

I wasn't sure if this would really count as a Stundie, but the "all is not as it seems" line at the end just pushed it towards conspiracy of some sort. In response to a question on whether gravity acts at the speed of light,

Gravity must be timeless or we would spiral in a ever bigger orbit, it can't have a 8 minute lag. Put your thinking caps on all not as it seems.

[Damien Evans]

Concrete canyon dwellers, not content to tell people in Arizona and Montana and Alaska what they can and cannot do with their land, by right of having vaster populations, now want to tell Japan what they can do with whales. Nice.


It's all a temporary, and thus non-issue, at best, given cloning technology.


Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.


Mammoths, mastadons, the dodo, that weird giant bird from Tasmania or whatever, neanderthals, let's get 'em resurrected peeps. What's the problem?

Not really about a conspiracy per se but it was so retarded I couldn't help myself.

[carlitos]

Surely not a winner, but worth a mention:

If the OCT is allowed to stand unchallenged then human 'civilisation' is set-back by almost 400 years.

Comment 3461 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=7#comment s) from the "bbc blog" where our man SteveAustin holds court with those of similar minds.

[sylvan8798]

Surely not a winner, but worth a mention:


If the OCT is allowed to stand unchallenged then human 'civilisation' is set-back by almost 400 years.

Comment 3461 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=7#comment s) from the "bbc blog" where our man SteveAustin holds court with those of similar minds.

Can you ask him to expound on his "reasoning" for that? Sometimes it's impossible to fathom how these people arrive at such bizarre conclusions, lol.

[NWO Sentryman]

Here is Heiwa, eager to be the next richard gage

OK - but let's use Lego bricks. You need 14 Lego bricks of same size. They can have different colors! I like blue and red and white (guess why?), but you can use green, yellow and black!

Connect 13 Lego bricks on top of each other. You managed that? Any three years old can do that! Result? A nice block of Lego bricks. 13 Lego bricks on top of each other. Check by counting! 1, 2 ... 13! Right. Let's call this block C!

Now, there is one Lego brick left (because we had 14 from the beginning). 14 -13 = 1! You follow?

OK, now put that single Lego brick on ground! Let's call it A!

And, now the BIG TEST!! Suspense! Drop C (the big block of 13 Lego bricks) on A (one lonely brick on ground). It is not difficult! Just position C above A and release C. Result? C drops. Gravity at work. You don't have to do anything.

And then???? C impacts A!! Result?

Well, when I tested C just bounced on A. No one-way crush down.

That was easy.

You want to play chess?

[cyclonic]

Here is Heiwa, eager to be the next richard gage
LOL
This is what Heiwa has for breakfast every morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HZeaMSmt10

[240-185]

The more answers Google gives, the nearer the truth is (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=149943)

Instead of writing a long article to explain how the U.S. Government is totally corrupt, I am just going to give you some homework to do on the internet. Today, Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, I Googled the following subjects and got the number of hits you see listed beside them. Just check this out, perhaps by studying just two or three hits for each subject:

1- U.S. Government Corruption…10,400,000 hits
2- Political Corruption…12,900,000 hits
3- FBI Corruption…4,140,000 hits
4- CIA Corruption…2,920,000 hits
...

(notice the conspiracist maths)

[sylvan8798]

Here is Heiwa, eager to be the next richard gage

In the future all skyscrapers will be made of legos. Perhaps Heiwa can be the leader in pioneering lego design education for the next generation of structural engineers.

[dudalb]

9/11 Investigator makes another attempt at a Stundie with his favorite 'The Jews Are Out To Take Over" rant:

Thanks to the help of their Jewish controlled American friends (thanks to this Dutch Jew Franklin Delano Roosevelt) the Bolsheviks won. Together they concocted a holocaust in Nuremberg to make themselves look good and the strategy worked perfectly. In end effect Europe lost (including Euro-Americans), the Jews won. Until this day. The idea was and is to kill the West by means of the multicultural ideology to cement their rule for ever. Unfortunately for the latter they lost Russia, thanks to Putin. In Europe now everywhere the Right is rising. They do not want to surrender to the Third World invasion and they will not. America is a different case and it will not survive, at least not in its present form.

You don't really know where to begin, but Roosevelt was NOT a Jew is as good a place as any.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It's true. The Jews are taking over using subtle media manipulation:

18cXl8MgoZs

:p

[R.Mackey]

9/11 Investigator makes another attempt at a Stundie with his favorite 'The Jews Are Out To Take Over" rant:

You don't really know where to begin, but Roosevelt was NOT a Jew is as good a place as any.

Our support of the Bolsheviks, huh. I guess if one has already decided to deny the Holocaust, denying our support of White Russian forces in the Russian Civil War is a fairly small bit of revisionism... :boggled:

[Dave Rogers]

There's a race on to jump the shark right now, but Heiwa has beaten NWO Kitty by a comfortable margin.

But are you really sure that the momentum of the bicyclist was transferred to the Earth affecting its momentum? Maybe the momentum became heat - global warming, you know?

Heiwa, the self-proclaimed expert on damage analysis, doesn't even know the difference between energy and momentum. That's a high school physics fail.

Dave

[asmodean]

It's true. The Jews are taking over using subtle media manipulation:

Well, I don't mind a jewish take-over as long as we get the New York Pastrami-on-Rye division sent to take control of Sweden... :P

[Travis]

Well, I don't mind a jewish take-over as long as we get the New York Pastrami-on-Rye division sent to take control of Sweden... :P

Damnit, now I need to go make myself a sandwich.

[dudalb]

And 9/11 Investigator is back on how the Euros will invade the US to save their white Brethren kick:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148049&page=27

and Precisely:

it's easy to imagine that the euro-americans are going to need a lot of help from their european pals in the future. Who would have thought that americans would land in normandie in 1944? Who can imagine that european troops someday will go ashore in florida?

Gee.And I thought that paratroopers in Colorado would open the Invasion....

[Horatius]

Who would have thought that americans would land in normandie in 1944?


Gee, maybe anyone who paid attention during WWI? Or anyone who noticed the Canadians wandering about England from 1939-1941?

[Travis]

And 9/11 Investigator is back on how the Euros will invade the US to save their white Brethren kick:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148049&page=27

and Precisely:



Gee.And I thought that paratroopers in Colorado would open the Invasion....

No, it's the Cubans that will be landing in Colorado. They will be part of the second wave attempting to steal back the parts of Hispanic culture that our corporate interests have almost totally destroyed.

[Dave Rogers]

Heiwa is getting further and further from reality.

The reaction force is applied on part C by part A. That reaction force does nothing to part A (as A applies it on C). It only affects part C as per Newton 3.

Only Heiwa could cite Newton's Third Law as proof of a violation of Newton's Third Law.

Dave

[sylvan8798]

ROTFL, KHOD! How is it I've been cooking for decades on a gas stove and NOTHING, no pots or pans, bakeware, oven racks or broiler pans, have ever "WEAKENED" from the INTENSE heat? And it got pretty intensely hot in my kitchen when I used to cook family Thanksgiving dinners. I've experienced no STRUCTURAL FAILURE in my kitchen due to INTENSE HEAT--ever.

I've long advocated some accurate scale models of the Twin Towers be constructed and aluminum airplanes, loaded with kerosene or jet fuel, be shot at the Towers at 500 MPH, and see what happens. I can picture it now. The plane will smash up and fall to the ground, sputtering. The building will remain intact--maybe a few windows and outside perimeter columns will be bent, but nothing more. Then, I'd like to see some jet fuel poured on the model and see it it flows down the elevator shaft and explodes in the lobby.

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=564809&articleId=48947&func=5&channel=

There are no words.

[Klimax]

Very good. Two books. Technical. And you read them. I believe you.

Evidently dropping a weight from above that hits something below may produce local failures. I have seen it multiple times. Honestly!

BUT, that a little piece of a structure high up in it dropping down may produce total destruction of the complete structure below is simply not possible. I have explained it in other famous JREF threads, which pls consult.

He forgot some experiments...

[Mr.D]

It's not a CT, and you have to have some familiarity with quantum mechanics, but this ...

You cannot have a real spin, because for a pointlike object to rotate back to their original orientations would require to make http://www.randi.org/latexrender/latex.php?720%5Eo, so it would need to spin twice as fast, meaning it would also have to spin faster than the speed of light, which is currently not allowed.

I can't even count the number of fails Singularitarian has in that thread, but "currently not allowed" is certainly the funniest.

[Singularitarian]

It's not a CT, and you have to have some familiarity with quantum mechanics, but this ...



I can't even count the number of fails Singularitarian has in that thread, but "currently not allowed" is certainly the funniest.
Since he came in here degrading me, i creamed his ass people.

He obviously thought i was making this stuff up.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151197

[IMST]

Since he came in here degrading me, i creamed his ass people.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151197

Ever feel like you're observing sexual harassment in real time on the forums?

[fullflavormenthol]

Ever feel like you're observing sexual harassment in real time on the forums?
Yeah....


Or some kind of high school drama playing out.

[eirik]

I hear that due to the housing bubble, Congress is willing to reconsider the regulations on the universal speed limit. I myself think that's populistic liberal hippie pandering.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[edit: Off-topic. Forget it.]

[Travis]

I hear that due to the housing bubble, Congress is willing to reconsider the regulations on the universal speed limit. I myself think that's populistic liberal hippie pandering.

Everyone knows the speed limit of light kills more people than it saves.

[Mr.D]

Since he came in here degrading me, i creamed his ass people.

He obviously thought i was making this stuff up.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151197

I have no problem letting the readers decide for themselves who got creamed.

So I nominate Mr.D for a stundie based on this post in which he obviously thinks Singularitarian is making "this stuff" up.

Even if that's what you meant, it still makes no sense in the context of Dorfl's post regarding interpreting the spin of a particle as the classical angular momentum of a rotating three-dimensional object.

[Hokulele]

I nominate Singularitatian for a Stundie for the following post:

Since he came in here degrading me, i creamed his ass people.

He obviously thought i was making this stuff up.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151197

[Travis]

*Quantum mechanics stuff flies over Travis' head*

Q "What the hell was that?"

A "Bizzaro Travis spontaneously generating then disintegrating."

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm telling you RIGHT NOW that they don't BUILD structures to resist fire, they DESIGN buildings to resist fire. You're 100% incorrect! GOOD DAY SIR!!!!

You can yell and scream and bold all the font you want, but Beachnut did not say designed against collapse, or designed to fall in such and such a way. He said "built" to fall in this way. He's saying it was built to fall in a particular way.

[uk_dave]

wow.

Redibis obviously has had a bad experience with builders!

[jaydeehess]

It has always amused me that the aryan master race were championed by a small swarty fella with narrow shoulders and wide hips.

You've seen pics of Himmler perhaps?
http://www.leninimports.com/heinrich_himmler_1.jpg

Hitler actually looks manly next to him.

,,, or Goering, also not exactly the Aryan ideal.

[dudalb]

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=564809&articleId=48947&func=5&channel=

There are no words.

You could learn a lot more about how towers collapse watching the Fall of Barad Dur from "Return of the King" then from most of "demonstrations" that the truthers come up with.

[Toke]

You've seen pics of Himmler perhaps?
http://www.leninimports.com/heinrich_himmler_1.jpg

Hitler actually looks manly next to him.

,,, or Goering, also not exactly the Aryan ideal.

Have you seen "The Dictator" by Chaplin?
There is a scene where they are planning who to go for next, it happens to be the brown haired:).

[RedIbis]

I'm telling you RIGHT NOW that they don't BUILD structures to resist fire, they DESIGN buildings to resist fire. You're 100% incorrect! GOOD DAY SIR!!!!

This will never win. It doesn't have the stundiliousness to bring home the prize. Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange. Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.

[Grizzly Bear]

Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange.
As you are aware (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5017923&postcount=1034) the context is there for everybody to see. Of course you also tried to subtley (and unsuccessfully) to change your argument. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5017997#post5017997) You're free to clarify what you meant within the thread in question, I did ask about it of course you might have forgotten about it in the barrage of responses that followed it.


Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.
That's when you step up to the plate and nominate it yourself. There's nothing holding you back, and I implore you to nominate me any time I post a response which you think is so stundilicious it deserves to be nominated for posterity. I nominated myself once, but unfortunately I didn't make it to the finals :(

[Horatius]

I nominated myself once, but unfortunately I didn't make it to the finals :(



No one who wants a Stundie can get one!

[RedIbis]

That's when you step up to the plate and nominate it yourself. There's nothing holding you back, and I implore you to nominate me any time I post a response which you think is so stundilicious it deserves to be nominated for posterity. I nominated myself once, but unfortunately I didn't make it to the finals :(

I'm like the Susan Lucci of Stundies.

[Mr.D]

I'm like the Susan Lucci of Stundies.

I agree. Your act is getting old too.

[NWO Sentryman]

I think someone ought to rewatch the World at war.

existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-wants-obama-to-fail-and-why.html

One of the comments to the story.

By Len Hart:
Hitler invaded Poland for the coal.

Hitler was STUPID! Rommel was already in South Africa. Rommel MIGHT HAVE SEIZED EVERY OIL FIELD IN THE MIDDLE EAST. End of war! End of freedom anywhere in the world.

[Klimax]

Take a shower! Bombard yourself by parts C (water) and let you (part A) be one-way crushed down! Ther's no business like the shower business.

Heiwa results...

[dudalb]

I think someone ought to rewatch the World at war.

existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-wants-obama-to-fail-and-why.html

One of the comments to the story.

:dl:


And he got it wrong.It is not Nazis who moved into South Africa, it was Prawn Like Aliens.

[Horatius]

Newbie, Holocaust denier, budly, trying to explain why we should watch some videos...


and the best way to learn about it, is to read what deniers say in their own words.

[Grizzly Bear]

Heiwa results...

In Heiwa universe I could survive this! No problem... It's just puffy snow ;)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7197/avalanche1788336uz5.jpg

[carlitos]

Steve Austin, at the BBC comments section (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=8#comment s), describing the quiet explosive detonations that brought down the World Trade Center:

carlito you obviously watch too much "HOLLYWOOD", real explosions do not sound like they do in the movies, in the movies they are "hollywoodized" for effect.

[IMST]

that obviously from somone who doesn't realize how much Hollywood has to turn them down. Last explosion I heard was simply a tire blow out on a bus. Literally thought a bomb had gone off. I saw people hit the deck.

[fitzgibbon]

Proof positive that high schools are failing to make basic physics understood.

For your consideration from that hotbed of 9/11 knowledge (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread492124/pg2#pid6929739) aka ATS

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Nope that cant be right because after the first sound you can still hear the jet flying. Also if it was a blast-wave wouldn't it have to travel down the building first then through the ground. So like Advisor said the delay is very close. I bet traveling down the building first wold negate that delay.

Who knows?

:jaw-dropp

[carlitos]

re: "If the OCT is allowed to stand unchallenged then human 'civilisation' is set-back by almost 400 years."Can you ask him to expound on his "reasoning" for that? Sometimes it's impossible to fathom how these people arrive at such bizarre conclusions, lol.

By request, I asked and received this response, in full:

I was referring to the trial of Gallileo. 1633-ish.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

By request, I asked and received this response, in full:


The birth of the United States? The first steps into space? Landing a man on the moon? Nuclear power? Organ transplants? The Internet? Advances in our understanding of the universe far beyond anything Galileo himself could have imagined?

All that would be meaningless if some angsty, rebellious teenagers don't repeatedly spew "9/11 was an inside job!" on a handful of message boards across the Internet?

Really?

That kid severely overstates his position and his movement's position in the human race.

[carlitos]

It's worse than you think. That kid is a fiction writer in his 40's. He can type a lot of words, but doesn't have super-duper logic skillz.

ETA - He never did explain the 'scare quotes' around 'civilisation' in his post.

[Elizabeth I]

that obviously from somone who doesn't realize how much Hollywood has to turn them down. Last explosion I heard was simply a tire blow out on a bus. Literally thought a bomb had gone off. I saw people hit the deck.

A couple of weeks ago, I just had a piece of tire tread blow off (not even a full tire blowout), and I thought someone had shot at me.

[releaseeabode]

This will never win. It doesn't have the stundiliousness to bring home the prize. Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange. Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

[Nick Terry]

I nominate the exceedingly unpleasant 'shyster' over at RODOH for the following remark
(http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/124806/t/Filming-yourself-hoaxing.html#reply-124806)
I do find it strange that Revisionist gurus such as Mattogno haven't realised that the Soviet's reconstructed these buildings after the German's had left. Of course, Pressac knew damn well they had but overlooked it intentionally; we know this because he himself photographed the ceiling of LK2 with the formwork still on it. Of course, everyone now knows that Soviets reconstructed Krema 1, so why the fuss over the other so-called killing installations?


Sorry, it needs a bit of context: shyster is a Krema Denier, the Holocaust denial equivalent of a no-planer, and Mattogno is the leading Holocaust denier author.

Oh, okay, it was crap.

[tuc0]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

Mmmmm. Delicious irony. Your nomination even has a chance to win. Just not the way you seem to think it does. :newlol

[Dave Rogers]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

From Wikipedia:


In physics (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Physics), energy (from the Greek (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Greek_language) ἐνέργεια - energeia (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Energeia), "activity, operation", from ἐνεργός - energos, "active, working"[1] (http://forums.randi.org/#cite_note-0)) is a scalar (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics)) physical quantity (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Physical_quantity) that describes the amount of work (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Work_(physics)) that can be performed by a force (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Force), an attribute of objects and systems that is subject to a conservation law (http://forums.randi.org/wiki/Conservation_law).


Energy is not just equal to the ability to do useful work, it is defined as the ability to do useful work. Therefore, the comment that really should be Stundied here is:

5. It is also flawed because he has to invent an Energy to Work conversion process based upon an accumulation of mass under gravity to justify a "One way crush down" that may not even have happened and may not even be necessary to have happened to cause the collapse!

which contains the clear iimplication that Zdenek Bazant invented the First Law of Thermodynamics.

So I'd like to nominate that one instead.

Dave

[Horatius]

which contains the clear iimplication that Zdenek Bazant invented the First Law of Thermodynamics.

So I'd like to nominate that one instead.

Dave



I suspect he'll weasel about the limitation "useful Work". Note his reference to gasoline; I'm sure he'll make some analogy to engine conversion efficiencies, and chose to ignore the fact that a big-ass mass falling down is significantly different from the typical internal combustion engine.

[Travis]

Not often does a Stundie originate in the Stundies.

[Trifikas]

Does it count as him nominating himself? Might be the first winner to do that...

[sylvan8798]

re: "If the OCT is allowed to stand unchallenged then human 'civilisation' is set-back by almost 400 years."

By request, I asked and received this response, in full:


I was referring to the trial of Gallileo. 1633-ish.


Oh, well that certainly clarifies it (not).

[jaydeehess]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

In your analogy the energy crisis is only solved if you can accomplish a 100% efficiency in the engine's conversion of the energy released by the gasoline into the type of work you will be making use of

The work done however is still there and equal to the amount of energy released when the fuel burns. The problem is that most of that work is involved in heating things up.

[jaydeehess]

In Heiwa universe I could survive this! No problem... It's just puffy snow ;)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7197/avalanche1788336uz5.jpg

heiwa is not saying that the snow would not suffocate you, only that it would not crush you. Heck its so light and fluffy compared to a human body, or a tree, or a structure that it would not even knock such things down as it passed over them any more than a fog rolling in can push anyone around.:)

Moving air can't harm anything or anyone either, after all its so much lighter than a building or a human.

oh, and the conservation of momentum or energy does not exist either.

[beachnut]

This will never win. It doesn't have the stundiliousness to bring home the prize. Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange. Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.

Still looking up how the WTC was built? Cool

I respect the fact you left running from the other thread when you found out Robertson said the building fell as it was expected to fall making your quibbling possible grounds for a lifetime Stundie.

Robertson said, “the collapse mechanism of the trade center, is as we anticipated it would be, when we first designed it” StevenJones_LeslieRobertson_20061026.mp3

So you are in the right thread adding to your possible lifetime achievement. Robertson's statement is evidence of gravity collapse and as the top expert on the WTC towers he thinks the controlled demolition ideas are poppycock. Making the entire controlled demolition idea a big Stundie.

[RedIbis]

Still looking up how the WTC was built? Cool

I respect the fact that you appeared not to want to continue that discussion in the other thread, do you really want to continue it here?

[Grizzly Bear]

I respect the fact that you appeared not to want to continue that discussion in the other thread, do you really want to continue it here?

It should be mentioned that the stundie nomination, was related more to you attributing two different meanings to words which in the context of their use... mean the same thing (example: "Built to withstand" vs "designed to withstand"). What compelled you to split hairs like that... only you really know... you're the guy that wrote it... I ain't gonna play psychic on why you did it.

[releaseeabode]

I suspect he'll weasel about the limitation "useful Work". Note his reference to gasoline; I'm sure he'll make some analogy to engine conversion efficiencies, and chose to ignore the fact that a big-ass mass falling down is significantly different from the typical internal combustion engine.

Horatius, "poisons the well" and so it starts.

I was VERY, VERY specific about USEFUL work, it is not a weasel as you would like to suggest. I very specifically stated my terms of reference.

I have no intention of elaborating further as I believe it would be against the commonly held tenet that the Stundie should stand alone. It does that very well without my added support.

You are however, very welcome to my ignore list.

[releaseeabode]

Mmmmm. Delicious irony. Your nomination even has a chance to win. Just not the way you seem to think it does. :newlol

Oops, missed this one, apologies to Horatius for accusing him of being the one to get the ball rolling. tuc0 gets in there first with the "Irony of your nomination" running pattern.

Welcome to my ignore list tuc0 :newlol

[releaseeabode]

In your analogy the energy crisis is only solved if you can accomplish a 100% efficiency in the engine's conversion of the energy released by the gasoline into the type of work you will be making use of

The work done however is still there and equal to the amount of energy released when the fuel burns. The problem is that most of that work is involved in heating things up.

That was why I was VERY, VERY specific in saying USEFUL Work. Something that I would have expected any knowledgeable working Engineer to have recognised. I think it is R.Mackey that you should be trying to school, not me.

Hence the ensuing hilarity!

[R.Mackey]

You'll all excuse me if I don't clear a spot on my mantle for the trophy. ;)

Pretty funny. He humiliates himself (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151485) last night -- I believe I was the first to go on his precious Ignore list -- and then instantly tries to Pwn me this way. Predictable.

We really need better trolls around here.

[Grizzly Bear]

Mmmmm. Delicious irony. Your nomination even has a chance to win. Just not the way you seem to think it does. :newlol

I always encourage these people to nominate me when I actually say something stupid... not when they think out of their own ignorance that what I am saying is stupid....:rolleyes:


ETA:
You describe "pancake collapse" and call it "progressive collapse"? A rose by any other name...

The reason FEMA failed was because "pancake collapse" seemed like a great idea until they realise that the WTC was designed as a structure of core and tube and not discrete floors "pancaked" upon each other.

I have no problem with you describing "pancake collapse" just don't dress it up as progressive collapse and use it as an analogy for the WTC.

The stundiness is strong with this one

[releaseeabode]

No idea what he has written but, if it is because of me that the Great R.Mackey has had to get his hands dirty by posting in the Stundies thread then I am immensely flattered.

Will you be calling Gravy back in to help?

Getting the idea now RedIbis :)

[UNLoVedRebel]

Well, you were nominated for a Stundie last August weren't you?

[Horatius]

Horatius, "poisons the well" and so it starts.

I was VERY, VERY specific about USEFUL work, it is not a weasel as you would like to suggest. I very specifically stated my terms of reference.




Wow, one word dropped into the middle of a discussion about a largely unrelated topic is not just "specific", nor "VERY specific", but in fact, "VERY, VERY specific"! That's some efficient use of language there!

Or, you knew that RM would read your comment in the context of the discussion, in which engine conversion efficiencies have no place, and not notice the single word that deliberately altered the meaning of the phrase, so you could play "gotcha". In other words, weaseling.

Or was the above comment about gasoline also included in the original post?



You are however, very welcome to my ignore list.


Wow, one post is all it took? Way to stand up for teh Twoof. No wonder you guys lost so bad.

[gtc]

Martin Timothy (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=27387#post27387) explains how the Tourist Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_guy) photo shows that that the planes that crashed on 9/11 were remote controlled.

The photo was apparently transmitted via cell phone to a Jewish Snuff Porn Network during the plane crash by one of the 62,000 Jews who didn't show up to work in the WTC on 9/11.

This stunning research is currently being promoted on the front page of the Australian Truth Movement's website www.911oz.com (http://www.911oz.com)

There are many other marvellously loopy posts at that site. This poster (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=27242&postcount=10)can't work out whether Sao Paulo cutting down on the permissable size of billboards is a Jewish conspiracy or an attempt to combat THE Jewish conspiracy.

[Travis]

Martin Timothy (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=27387#post27387) explains how the Tourist Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_guy) photo shows that that the planes that crashed on 9/11 were remote controlled.

The photo, apparently transmitted via cell phone to a Jewish Snuff Porn Network during the plane crash by one of the 62,000 Jews who didn't show up to work in the WTC on 9/11.

This stunning research is currently being promoted on the front page of the Australian Truth Movement's website www.911oz.com (http://www.911oz.com)

There are many other marvellously loopy posts at that site. This poster (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=27242&postcount=10)can't work out whether Sao Paulo cutting down on the permissable size of billboards is a Jewish conspiracy or an attempt to combat THE Jewish conspiracy.

Heh, is anyone using the "my cousin's friend's brother totally woke up in a bathtub of ice missing his kidneys" to bolster claims of Jewish organ harvesting? Perhaps the whole thing was heard about from a phone call "originating from the line upstairs!"

[Hokulele]

I had expected someone to nominate this earlier, but it seems to still be open, I offer you this gem from the latest Holocaust denier to grace these boards.

The reason nobody can refute the video Buchenwald, is because they can't.


I guess that showed us.

Ricotta.

[tuc0]

Oops, missed this one, apologies to Horatius for accusing him of being the one to get the ball rolling. tuc0 gets in there first with the "Irony of your nomination" running pattern.

Welcome to my ignore list tuc0 :newlol

:(Damn! First you pwnd me by your clever use of the well known physics and engineering principle of USEFUL work and now I'm on your ignore list? Whatever will I do now?

Oh yeah, I know --> :newlol :newlol

[Horatius]

Martin Timothy (http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=27387#post27387) explains how the Tourist Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_guy) photo shows that that the planes that crashed on 9/11 were remote controlled.





Wow. Forget the "Useful work" controversy, this one wins it all.

He even knows about the reasons the photo is known to be a fake, but in Twoo Twoofer style:


Scan Google to see that all entries damn the photo as a fake, then come to the conclusion that the webmaster at each and every one of those sites, is part of the conspiracy.


It's got my vote.


Unless it's a parody.....It's gotten to the point I really can't tell anymore.

[gtc]

Unless it's a parody

I'm sure they would like you to believe that.

However, he was banned from here last year (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113566) and seems to be real (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/announcements-introductions/46838-my-name-martin-timothy.html). He even has a website (http://www.dockersunion.com/). In a neat bit of irony he has posted (http://www.dockersunion.com/emt.jpg)his South Australian birth certificate from 1950. A 1950s birth certificate from South Australia was used to create the fake Obama certificate.

[Travis]

Yeah, if it's the same dude that used to post here then he is, tragically, serious.

[JoeyDonuts]

I thumbed through his website. I don't think I saw a damned thing pertaining to dockworkers or ship painting.

[gtc]

I thumbed through his website. I don't think I saw a damned thing pertaining to dockworkers or ship painting.

There hasn't been a union by that name in 20 years.

They had a very colorful history (http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/painters.and.dockers.htm) that rarely involved painting and/or docking.

[beachnut]

No idea what he has written but, if it is because of me that the Great R.Mackey has had to get his hands dirty by posting in the Stundies thread then I am immensely flattered.

Will you be calling Gravy back in to help?

Getting the idea now RedIbis :)
"Just Say No"

"Getting the idea no RedIbis" could be an entry but you must expand on it...

[R.Mackey]

No idea what he has written but, if it is because of me that the Great R.Mackey has had to get his hands dirty by posting in the Stundies thread then I am immensely flattered.

Were you a bit less of a delusional narcissist, you might have noticed that I posted in this very thread days before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5007443#post5007443) anything having to do with you... I neither nominate nor vote for Stundies, but I don't see why I should avoid posting in the threads.

This is one of the fascinating things about the Truth Movement. Many of them aren't merely incompetent about September 11th, but are in fact wrong virtually every time they open their mouths. Apparently you belong to this select group.

What's worse, however, is this: Suppose you were right about the above. You'd be flattered? Because of you, I post in a Stundie thread for the express purpose of making fun of you, and you consider this a victory??

And this is what makes you singularly interesting. If your life is such that you call this a victory, I can only imagine the depth, severity, and frequency of your defeats.

[UNLoVedRebel]

I call a TLB sockpuppet. His grudge against the JREF and the stundies is remarkably similar, along with his rambling writing style.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

What's worse, however, is this: Suppose you were right about the above. You'd be flattered? Because of you, I post in a Stundie thread for the express purpose of making fun of you, and you consider this a victory??


releaseeabode appears to be one of those people who finds amusement in making the teacher angry. "I can't compete on an intellectual level, so I'll throw some punches on an emotional level."

[Mel Odious]

How this world works

Nothing here can happen without the majority giving their permission on some level of their being. Hence, TPTB must consistently put in our face, pictures of death and destruction at a particular place, the WTC, in order to allow it to happen.
TPTB always need permission to act. You are manipulated to give it to them.


Link. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1211971&postcount=124)

[Horatius]

Link. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1211971&postcount=124)



Wow. Fish in a barrel over there. Just above that one: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1211960&postcount=123)


Originally Posted by robindean View Post
I think it is for psychological impact, and therefore was no coincidence.
Something along the lines of, people have the fear they felt that day etched into them, and each time they ring 911 for another emergency, whether small or major, it resurfaces.
It kinda makes sense cos it's like fear-recycling for the reptilian entities that control our society.. they don't need 9/11 to happen again to get the same fearful reaction, just associate alot of things with it.

My thoughts, anyway..

RD

:eek: you could be right, here in the uk the emergency number is 999, i hope nothing happens on 9/9/09




Wow. martg is well aware of an example that should show this notion is bollocks, but instead, worries about another attack on another date.....

[releaseeabode]

releaseeabode appears to be one of those people who finds amusement in making the teacher angry. "I can't compete on an intellectual level, so I'll throw some punches on an emotional level."

Yeah right, join the illustrious on my ignore list.

[R.Mackey]

Feels like I've seen this (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2012122#post2012122) movie (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2024428#post2024428) before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2024473#post2024473)...

Actually, we've had a lot of trolls act like this -- 28th Kingdom comes to mind, and I know there are several others. I don't think this is a sock puppet, more like a repeatable personality defect.

[tsig]

Yeah right, join the illustrious on my ignore list.

You are slowly banning your self. Ignore is a lonely place.

[Klimax]

I heard that the planes were full to the brim with molten steel. Debunker stories just get more and more tortured.

Projection and ???? Planes could even carry so much of steel??? :eek:

Yeah right, join the illustrious on my ignore list.

My prediction:When you will nolonger se any replies to your rubish,you will claim victory. (Thank you for million dollars from MDC!)

FTR:Only one poster ignores me due to certain disagreement in FM section...
(Reportedly)

[Klimax]

You are slowly banning your self. Ignore is a lonely place.

I have never seen such quick ignorehit. But does he do it truly or just pretends that he ignores?

[Horatius]

I have never seen such quick ignorehit. But does he do it truly or just pretends that he ignores?



Well, one of us on the "illustrious" list could try a strategic insult, and see if he reports it....

[Travis]

Wow. Fish in a barrel over there. Just above that one: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1211960&postcount=123)






Wow. martg is well aware of an example that should show this notion is bollocks, but instead, worries about another attack on another date.....

Yay, an actual Stundie nomination in the Stundie Nomination thread!

[Klimax]

If they don't agree with me, that means they are not experts.


OUr favourite troll strikes again...

Well, one of us on the "illustrious" list could try a strategic insult, and see if he reports it....

What do you think I am trying...

[releaseeabode]

I have never seen such quick ignorehit. But does he do it truly or just pretends that he ignores?

I can assure you it happens, and it has just happened to you :)

[beachnut]

Yeah right, join the illustrious on my ignore list.
Are you nominating yourself?

[Par]

I can assure you it happens, and it has just happened to you :)


You are sexy and strident. Sign me up too.

[JihadJane]

I nominate the following idiotic post for its automated randomness:

For the last time, Obama was not born in Kenya and Colin Powell did not have the real birth certificate fed to a rat that had been used to engineer the H1N1 virus that was chopped up and dispersed by chemtrails to a goat that had previously eaten half of Biden's IQ which was itself fed to a Black Panther that was then sacrificed to Satan.

[Par]

I nominate the following idiotic post for its automated randomness:


I fear you may consign us to a Derridian swamp of cyclic irony and meaninglessness – the only respite the orphaned exclamation points occasionally bubbling from surface.

[Architect]

I think he's perhaps being sarcastic, but just in case it's serious I nominate this post by Galileo in the midst of a discussion about the validity of expert advice:

If they don't agree with me, that means they are not experts.

[Klimax]

I can assure you it happens, and it has just happened to you :)

Incredible. I knew it!!! :D At this speed he will be quite alone...

I think he's perhaps being sarcastic, but just in case it's serious I nominate this post by Galileo in the midst of a discussion about the validity of expert advice:

Too little too late. I got it before you...

[Travis]

I nominate the following idiotic post for its automated randomness:

I can assure that randomness was not automated......idiotic, maybe, but not automated.

[JihadJane]

I can assure that randomness was not automated......idiotic, maybe, but not automated.

On the contrary, I've seen dozens of almost identically "witty" posts, all, apparently, generated from the same dumb, cut-and-paste computer program.

[releaseeabode]

You are sexy and strident. Sign me up too.

Well, if I accept your comment at face value then obviously, you speak a lot of sense. When you speak sense how can I ignore you.

[releaseeabode]

I nominate the following idiotic post for its automated randomness:

I nominate JihadJane for getting the idea of the Stundies completely wrong. When will people learn that you can't nominate a certain group of people and expect to get the nomination accepted. It's hard enough getting your nomination typed in and sent before the JRilluminatEF regulars have formulated their "rebuttal" and counter attack.

[Dave Rogers]

I think he's perhaps being sarcastic, but just in case it's serious I nominate this post by Galileo in the midst of a discussion about the validity of expert advice:

Or, as William Jowett had it,

"I am the Master of this college,
What I don't know, isn't knowledge!"

Dave

[Klimax]

I nominate JihadJane for getting the idea of the Stundies completely wrong. When will people learn that you can't nominate a certain group of people and expect to get the nomination accepted. It's hard enough getting your nomination typed in and sent before the JRilluminatEF regulars have formulated their "rebuttal" and counter attack.

You can't just stop being absolute failure. Another post which is absolutely wrong.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Once again, Galileo is a hardcore troll and engaging him is win for him; not you, no matter what you do. If he's not, then he's quite insane, and engaging him is like making fun of the mentally ill; another non-win for you.

It'd also be a good idea to ignore releaseeabode, in my opinion, so that this month's nomination thread doesn't turn into a 100-proof whine-fest, like some of the past threads.

[16.5]

I nominate the following headline, not only because of its fourth grade quality wit, but the fact that it is fourth grade quality wit from like 1988:

"Huge terrorist threat looming over U.S bases - NOT!"

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151587

[beachnut]

On the contrary, I've seen dozens of almost identically "witty" posts, all, apparently, generated from the same dumb, cut-and-paste computer program.
All your posts? List a few?

[Par]

On the contrary, I've seen dozens of almost identically "witty" posts, all, apparently, generated from the same dumb, cut-and-paste computer program.


Well, never mind that. Even if old Travis's comment had come from some computer program you think we all use, that wouldn't render it suitable for a Stundie nomination.

[JoeyDonuts]

:words: JRilluminatEF :words:

Oh, that is just pure vanilla. Good job, there.

[Hokulele]

Stundie nominee from everyone's favorite neo-Nazi, mostly for the last paragraph.

I can accept the reasoning some Jews want to tear Obama down because they fear he will put pressure on Israel. (unlikely as long as that Zionist Jew is still his Chief of Staff) but why would Jews waist their time with the birther movement if there is no there there?

Unless, unless there is something to the birther claims they think they can use as blackmail. Hillary's people used it and she got to be Secretary of State.


Now back to your regularly scheduled bickering.

[releaseeabode]

Oh, that is just pure vanilla. Good job, there.

"pure vanilla" ?

[Klimax]

"pure vanilla" ?

I just noticed that only two czechs on this board got on his ignore.

[alienentity]

My second nomination for bill smith this month:

<snip>

A piece of column packed with nano thermite might behave like a rocket.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5039229#post5039229

[twinstead]

bill had me at smoke generators

[dudalb]

Looks as though it's a race between 9/11 Investigator and bill smith for the most nominations in August.

[Pantaz]

Ah, yes, Wikipedia, the bastion of authoritative sources...
(Sorry for the many nested quotes, but it's needed for context.)
Interesting... I had assumed you made up those names, since I'd never heard them before. But apparently not - instead, they seem to be in occasional use, although primarily by crackpots (http://www.tardyon.de/).

I think there may be a few tardyons posting on this forum...

You must hate being wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxon

Bradyon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 21 May 2009 ... A tardyon, bradyon, or ittyon, from the Hebrew for "slow" is a particle that travels slower than light. Therefore this is a synonym with a ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradyon - Cached - Similar -

:rolleyes:

Yeh... :boggled: totally crackpot man.

luxon:

"This article does not cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources) any references or sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability). Please help improve this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massless_particle&action=edit) by adding citations to reliable sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources). Unsourced material may be challenged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed) and removed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence). (September 2008)"

Actually it does - and one is that "luxon theory" crank site :).


Bradyon:
This article does not cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources) any references or sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability). Please help improve this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradyon&action=edit) by adding citations to reliable sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources). Unsourced material may be challenged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed) and removed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence). (March 2008)
The words "tardyon" and "bradyon" are neologisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism) and are not yet in wide use, even within the field of physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics).

I know they are not widely been used, but dispite this, they have been used. It's not crank at all. The very fact the wiki page has it is proof its not a crank term, but one which holds significant meaning.

[tuc0]

Ah, yes, Wikipedia, the bastion of authoritative sources...


Yeah, "The very fact the wiki page has it is proof its not a crank term, but one which holds significant meaning." is absolutely beautiful, but sadly Teh Stundies should be somehow related to a CT, so unless he thinks Luxons killed JFK it doesn't qualify.

Sad, really :(

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I nominate the following idiotic post for its automated randomness:

Twoofers are cute when they try to nominate rationalists for disagreeing with the tenets of their religion.

[dudalb]

A promising newcomer to JREF named FloydGoethe discourses on how JREF is part of the 9/11 Official Theory Cover Up
Well, having attempted to disregard my original post's contention on the statistical reality of 9/11 opinion, and your belligerent attitude towards all factual matters and arguments about 9/11 which I have observed generally throughout this JREF forum, I consider "intellectual fraud" a reasonable description of your MO.

Relating to the ingenious mob-snipes and quips that descend upon anyone who tables a good post against a 9/11 Officiale's mythical beliefs I think "thugs", "dog squad" describes your behavior here considerably well.

Scott of Taiwan stated he doesn't think that people who don't believe muslims did 9/11 should be left alone around children. Now, there are alot of people who are publically known to hold that opinion. So Scott is collectively slandering all these people.

But here, as per your tactics in this little JIDF, GIYUS-type outfit you guys have established in this area of JREF, you have managed to derail the intellectual contention of the thread, the ratio-decidendi, and rather focus on, or rather, CLING, CLUTCH, SNATCH, DRAG the focus away from one reality of 9/11 you'd rather not accept as established in the present such that you may ignore it and continue your delusional assertion in your prose that 9/11 Truthers are mentally ill cult group of a few hundred people.

And what you will continue here is to fruit-loop the issue again by persisting to have established that people who don't believe that Muslims did 9/11 are mentally ill, deranged, need to take medication, and whatever other signature slurs you solicit to avoid establishing 9/11 facts as premises to subsequent arguments.

Now, when you have attempts by Homeland Security to list 9/11 Truthers as potential terrorists, mainstream media calling for them to be thrown in some of the secret-prisons and tortured etc,....., another radio host with millions of listeners calling for one particular Truther to be "murdered". "I am telling you go and murder Mark Dice right now for disrespecting the troops". and you are supporting these calls with your refusal to acknowledge FACTS of REALITY - which is that less than 50% of the world believe that muslims did 9/11 - Then considering how many people have been murdered, over 1 million innocent people, in the name of 9/11 having been done by muslims, well, I consider your LIES a direct threat to my own sovereignty and security.

So returning to the original contention of my post which you ensued typically to derail: less than 50% of the world believe that muslims did 9/11.

Much sound and fury, signifying a Stundie.

Well, having attempted to disregard my original post's contention on the statistical reality of 9/11 opinion, and your belligerent attitude towards all factual matters and arguments about 9/11 which I have observed generally throughout this JREF forum, I consider "intellectual fraud" a reasonable description of your MO.

Relating to the ingenious mob-snipes and quips that descend upon anyone who tables a good post against a 9/11 Officiale's mythical beliefs I think "thugs", "dog squad" describes your behavior here considerably well.

Scott of Taiwan stated he doesn't think that people who don't believe muslims did 9/11 should be left alone around children. Now, there are alot of people who are publically known to hold that opinion. So Scott is collectively slandering all these people.

But here, as per your tactics in this little JIDF, GIYUS-type outfit you guys have established in this area of JREF, you have managed to derail the intellectual contention of the thread, the ratio-decidendi, and rather focus on, or rather, CLING, CLUTCH, SNATCH, DRAG the focus away from one reality of 9/11 you'd rather not accept as established in the present such that you may ignore it and continue your delusional assertion in your prose that 9/11 Truthers are mentally ill cult group of a few hundred people.

And what you will continue here is to fruit-loop the issue again by persisting to have established that people who don't believe that Muslims did 9/11 are mentally ill, deranged, need to take medication, and whatever other signature slurs you solicit to avoid establishing 9/11 facts as premises to subsequent arguments.

Now, when you have attempts by Homeland Security to list 9/11 Truthers as potential terrorists, mainstream media calling for them to be thrown in some of the secret-prisons and tortured etc,....., another radio host with millions of listeners calling for one particular Truther to be "murdered". "I am telling you go and murder Mark Dice right now for disrespecting the troops". and you are supporting these calls with your refusal to acknowledge FACTS of REALITY - which is that less than 50% of the world believe that muslims did 9/11 - Then considering how many people have been murdered, over 1 million innocent people, in the name of 9/11 having been done by muslims, well, I consider your LIES a direct threat to my own sovereignty and security.

So returning to the original contention of my post which you ensued typically to derail: less than 50% of the world believe that muslims did 9/11.

[Justin39640]

wow
A quick note: All the Officialiers here typically have rancid alien avatars or else some kind of violent military-type avatar. Once again affirming my contention that 9/11 Officialiers are the most violent, murderous, group of people in the United States. Both statistically confirmed, but also anecdotally affirmed in almost every case of active pro-Officialers.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5040802#post5040802

[UNLoVedRebel]

All of FloydGoethe's posts have been deleted.
So it was the Germans, not the Americans who went to the moon. That's a CT I have yet to hear.

[beachnut]

So it was the Germans, not the Americans who went to the moon. That's a CT I have yet to hear.
It was a boy scout from Ohio.

[Elizabeth I]

All of FloydGoethe's posts have been deleted.

My avatar is violent and military-type? The U.S. has gone back to horse-mounted cavalry?

[Hokulele]

My avatar is violent and military-type? The U.S. has gone back to horse-mounted cavalry?


He does think we are all circumcised Jews, which is funny in about 5 different ways.

[Elizabeth I]

He does think we are all circumcised Jews, which is funny in about 5 different ways.

I dunno, in my personal case it sounds painful.

[Hokulele]

I dunno, in my personal case it sounds painful.


Oh, I agree, but his post made it quite clear that you and I aren't, um, equipped for what he meant exactly.

[Mel Odious]

Looks like we have a new Stundie-meister at the David Icke Forums. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the very first DI Forum post of open minded reptile mammal:


England's Prince Charles and 911

Is it possible that the terror attacks were carried out on direct orders of England's Prince Charles because he wanted to remove three skyscrapers he hated?

The prince is obsessed with architecture and his hatred of modern buildings seems almost obscene.

English aristocracy is composed of extremely strange people and they've led the world in over one hundred years.

Prince's servant could make some calls and Cia and Mossad and could have seen their chance to perform their own little secret measures, - to destroy Enron documents, introducing War on Terror, as well as getting Iraq war on Israel's behalf.

The more you read about England's aristocracy, the more amazed you become, - they are actually so sick that they could have staged September 11: th year 2001 attacks if a higher aristocrat expressed that he hated the World Trade Center skyscrapers Architecture and wanted them taken out.

It is still a possible theory.

(etc.)


Link. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78805)

[Grizzly Bear]

My avatar is violent and military-type? The U.S. has gone back to horse-mounted cavalry?

I dunno... I think by his word I've become a terrorist, an "evil j0000," and a fundamentalist. BTW you never know what's hiding inside that thar stallion.

[Travis]

A promising newcomer to JREF named FloydGoethe discourses on how JREF is part of the 9/11 Official Theory Cover Up




wow


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5040802#post5040802

So it was the Germans, not the Americans who went to the moon. That's a CT I have yet to hear.

I knew the early release program at Arkham was a bad idea.

[240-185]

My avatar is violent and military-type? The U.S. has gone back to horse-mounted cavalry?

Think about my avatar: giving to Yoshis their favorite meal is a sign of violence!

[twinstead]

Militaristic? Well, my avatar is a cigar-smoking homeless old lady, but I'll bet she could kick some commie ass in her day!

[Travis]

Now that the enigma that was FloydGoethe has been banned things might settle down. Wow was that a train wreck that he delivered to us.

[Klimax]

My avatar is violent and military-type? The U.S. has gone back to horse-mounted cavalry?

Bit closer is mine,but still no gun...

[DC]

i think the stundie award is rigged !

i never won :(

[rwguinn]

It was a boy scout from Ohio.

No, it was Pluto and the Magellenic clouds. You obviously have not studied your Heinlein properly.

[Grizzly Bear]

i think the stundie award is rigged !

i never won :(

No one who wants a Stundie can get one!

I protest!!! I PROTEST!!! ;)

[Horatius]

Okay, okay, I'll unbend and allow DC an honorary Stundie for his body of work.... ;)

[DC]

:D

[Klimax]

:D

Only to have it pulled! :D

[JihadJane]

I nominate the following headline, not only because of its fourth grade quality wit, but the fact that it is fourth grade quality wit from like 1988:

"Huge terrorist threat looming over U.S bases - NOT!"

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151587


What's wrong with 1988?

[Horatius]

Here's one:

Today I was busy with my grand children, i.e. we walked down to the port, looked at the boats, had a nice, long lunch at good restaurant (no McDo rubbish), then looked at some more ships and then took the bus up home. What was the question?


Go take a look at the thread, then tell us he's not deliberately avoiding answering the embarrassing questions. That's some high-quality truth seeking, right there.

[dudalb]

Now that the enigma that was FloydGoethe has been banned things might settle down. Wow was that a train wreck that he delivered to us.

I think he has the record for being banned from JREF: Took less then a day.

[Horatius]

A moderator moved this thread into 9-11 conspiracy theories, when it should be in "Conspiracy Theories." a moderator also merged my thread "Nazi Master Race Breeding Program using 'Aryan' Studs" into the "holocaust denial videos" thread which makes no sense. That thread had nothing to do with holocaust denial videos. I'm being discriminated against here at randi forum which doesn't surprise me. It's just a light version of the second stage:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer



There's a light version of being "Violently opposed"? Who knew? I thought we were still in stage 1!

[Hokulele]

There's a light version of being "Violently opposed"? Who knew? I thought we were still in stage 1!


Possibly stages 1 and 2 were reversed?

[sylvan8798]

Why did Floyd get banned? His posts are gone and I missed all the fun. Rats.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why did Floyd get banned? His posts are gone and I missed all the fun. Rats.


FloydGoethe's ban notice: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151996

I only witnessed, and participated in, the beginnings of what was apparently an epic meltdown. He was clearly going nuts before I went to bed, but it sounds like things got much, much worse afterward...

[Horatius]

There's also some discussion about his meltdown in a thread in FM, about the thread in question going missing.

[JihadJane]

Twoofers are cute when they try to nominate rationalists for disagreeing with the tenets of their religion.

There was little rational about Travis' post, as Travis himself has confirmed.

Happy baby talk to you!

[Travis]

There was little rational about Travis' post, as Travis himself has confirmed.

I will back JihadJane up on this.

I'm not sure it's funny enough to be a finalist though.

[Myron Proudfoot]

There's also some discussion about his meltdown in a thread in FM, about the thread in question going missing.


FM??

[tuc0]

I know it's nothing special but it made me laugh and for that it should get some credit. :)

It stands out like a sore thumb that you were never really a Truther whatever the apearances.

For instance what Truther would refer to the Truth movement in the third person as you do in the following exerpt from one of your posts ?

''...such as Killtown that really supercharged my doubts of the validity of the truth movement's claims...''

It's as plain as the nose on your face.

Look into a mirror Bill and you'll see someone who does it all the time.

----------------------

What makes it funny for me is that when he first appeared I suspected him to be a parody troll out to make truthers look bad. It took me a while to accept that yes, he's probably the real deal and honestly doesn't realize how irrational and hilarious he is.

[tuc0]

FM??

Forum Management.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151987

[joe911]

I just had to nominate this,[im sure the member means well,but this made me rotfl] :D

This is a sick and unhumane way to treat another species. I'll bet that the alien baby did nothing to harm or threaten him. But this farmer had an ego that he had to satisfy.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1220824#post1220824
http://www3.cancan.ro/pics2/53384/big_extraterestru.jpg

[Travis]

I just had to nominate this,[im sure the member means well,but this made me rotfl] :D



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1220824#post1220824
http://www3.cancan.ro/pics2/53384/big_extraterestru.jpg

Yikes! Are we going to add Alien Babies to the Endangered Species list now?

[Drudgewire]

I just had to nominate this,[im sure the member means well,but this made me rotfl] :D


Someone should link him HERE (http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/) where he can find others who share his sense of injustice. :D

[Klimax]

I will back JihadJane up on this.

I'm not sure it's funny enough to be a finalist though.

Well,it was parody post and not meant seriously. Disqualified... :D

[dudalb]

Someone should link him HERE (http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/) where he can find others who share his sense of injustice. :D

Dammit, ya beat me to a "District 9" reference....

[Brainache]

Militaristic? Well, my avatar is a cigar-smoking homeless old lady, but I'll bet she could kick some commie ass in her day!

I always assumed it was George Burns in drag.

[Mancman]

Bolded part nominated, but it's all insanity:

Jenna, i meant if WTC 7 had collapsed from natural causes, it would have resembled the link I posted.

WTC 7 had to be brought down, because:

a) it was pre-wired, UA93 was supposed to have hit it

b) the bodies of the passengers from the other flights were secreted in the basement (witnessed by Barry Jennings RIP)

c) it was the command centre for the operation and had information that needed to be destroyed

God bless

Donna
xx

Screenshot (http://i28.tinypic.com/2lmsyg3.jpg)
Link - quote likely to move down post list. (http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=2204402586&page=5&hash=f75de588d2594cb58619158abf7598d2)

[Sunray Breaker]

I just had to nominate this,[im sure the member means well,but this made me rotfl]



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...24#post1220824
http://www3.cancan.ro/pics2/53384/big_extraterestru.jpg

Aw...That poor little monkey!!!

[dtugg]

Twoofer doesn't understand how a calender works.

Wow, how close it does resemble something we saw 8 years and 15 days ago.

What happened on 8/11/01?

Trying to be a smart ass you made yourself look like a fool? You still think we are in July do you?

[TokenMac]

Twoofer doesn't understand how a calender works.

But when you count for the difference in time zones...

No, actually you fail to think of things called "Time Zones"...Look them up, people live in them, there are different ones, they help people.

Yes, I will keep it simple for you.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Twoofer doesn't understand how a calender works.
But when you count for the difference in time zones...


Epic.

[Brainache]

Are we sure that Mr Astute Perspicuous(! the name itself is stundie worthy) isn't Stundie himself?

He seems to have a similar style of reinforced self-inflicted failure about him.

[TexasJack]

Oh, but he explains himself so clearly here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5052925#post5052925

Oh I see now...I said a month and 15 days instead of 15 days...It was kind of like mixing to thoughts together...

I originally was going to write next month, but then decided to say 15 days and it came out a month and 15 days.

[Nick Terry]

I nominate 9/11-investigator for the following gem (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148049&page=35) in response to dubalb

Originally Posted by dudalb http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5055241#post5055241)
Though I think the The Black Knight in "Holy Grail" is the perfect Monty Ptython reference for Holocaust Deniers



Well, you have to the admire the courage and perseverance of the Black Night.

[Horatius]

Wow! Missing the point, and misspelled....

[Mel Odious]

i don't understand why the CIT guys have to insist on their being a plane of any kind when all the witnesses testimony support a missile. apart from the fact that they say it was a plane.


From 9/11 Truth Movement Forums. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6719&view=findpost&p=15455168)

[Klimax]

From 9/11 Truth Movement Forums. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6719&view=findpost&p=15455168)

He has only partial nickname. The missing portion is "dissonance".

[NWO Sentryman]

Glenn beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&eurl=

[LordoftheLeftHand]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!


That is a pretty good one. And your right of course, if this were true you could just harness all the energy of the chaotic motions of the ocean (or anything else for that matter) for cheap power.

[GlennB]

From 9/11 Truth Movement Forums. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6719&view=findpost&p=15455168)

That forum. It's ... it's full ... of Christophera :eye-poppi

[R.Mackey]

That is a pretty good one. And your right of course, if this were true you could just harness all the energy of the chaotic motions of the ocean (or anything else for that matter) for cheap power.

I trust that was high sarcasm, because there are many (http://www.oceanpowertechnologies.com/) companies (http://www.pelamiswave.com/) doing (http://www.swellfuel.com/) exactly (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090730073928.htm) that (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081209052145.htm).

The hapless releaseeabode was talking about the "ability" of the falling WTC Tower masses to "release energy" upon impact with static objects, i.e. conversion of kinetic energy to all other forms including strain energy and heat. This is a nearly 100% efficient process. This was not a discussion of Maxwell's Demon. As such, my comment was completely correct, and only a physics ignoramus would claim otherwise.

[Alareth]

From 9/11 Truth Movement Forums. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6719&view=findpost&p=15455168)


My right eye won't stop twitching. I think I've suffered a Stundie Stoke ...

[Horatius]

Glenn beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&eurl=



I'll just recycle my previous comment:

Wow! Missing the point, and misspelled....



Oligarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy)

[Caustic Logic]

Glenn beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&eurl=

Strange episode that. Muddled fears of the right summarized in a list of "questions" about where the USA is headed:
Obama, Left, Internationalist, Graft, ACORN style-orgs, Revolutionaries, Hidden agenda
giving acronyms
OLIGARH
Cleverly, he notes right away there's a missing letter. He knows how to spell, and he did that on purpose app. to defy ACORN, and such, who "select their words first and then tie em all together into one word." This is annoying to him apparently so he left his one letter out (and he really wanted to include Communist but forced himself not to). Then he writes the missing letter - to drive the point home that he refuses neat little word results, it's not C but Y! OLIGARHY! He's driven home the point that he's not pulling an ACORN and picking a random but rightlly spelled acronym, but rather a non-neat one that's both loaded and misspelled. He drove that point home well.

I'm starting to wonder, really, if the whole GOP rile-up sector was secretly lobotomized early this year?

Also a comment there was great, some weird reading of Ayn Rand on health care:
The government wishes to "dish" out care indiscriminately without reason, Rand believed this to be innefficient and immoral because it discards reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&eurl=

[Caustic Logic]

Missing the point

Not so fast. The definition helps clarify one aspect of this notion: "elite." Small group of liberal elite rulers changing this country before their very eyes. I'm sure he knows why he chose to approximate this loaded word, it's why he decided to misspell it that's the real WTF? moment.

[Slayhamlet]

Has anyone found out if the man who formally posted under the name FloydGoethe posts on any other forums? I think we may have hit the mother-load here; this fruitcake is a veritable Stundie goldmine. It's a shame all his posts here have been deleted.

[Slayhamlet]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes ;)

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

Your Stundie nomination has been disqualified on account of your dishonest douchebaggery. Thanks for playing!

[NWO Sentryman]

By Boynamedsue on the AH Forums:

http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showpost.php?p=2705489&postcount=63


Yes, but the US were preparing to declare an election to be rigged which the opposition then won.

Does that not bother you?

[Leviath]

Poster Rik Thomas presents valuable information in the comments section:
if we lay down and die- we are dead

http://www.infowars.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-official-trailer/

He might be on to something...

[UNLoVedRebel]

We need to honor the man himself. He briefly came back and gave us yet another masterpiece.

Not to mention the efficiency of the process for conversion of that kinetic energy into useful work or the power output.

[tsig]

Rik T again:

"rik thomas Reply:
August 25th, 2009 at 10:06 pm


i guess i believe in ‘truth”. whatever the hell it is."


http://www.infowars.com/invisible-empire-a-new-world-order-official-trailer/

[Horatius]

And, in the new "Missing the Point, and Misspelled" category, I present:

alex is the new Walter Kronkite


It's from the comments page on this YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImdqZTONdPM


I'm not sure how to link to a single comment, Any Help?

[TjW]

And, in the new "Missing the Point, and Misspelled" category, I present:

alex is the new Walter Kronkite


It's from the comments page on this YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImdqZTONdPM




Maybe that's how they spell it in Bizarro world.

[Horatius]

That would explain so much!

[Björn Toulouse]

I've never participated in Stundie nominations and am not sure if my nomination will qualify - at least it is still August where I live.

The full post is here (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=318377&t=2218398):

I was looking on LCF for comments on the National Geographic special which just ended and instead ran across this post. Some poster named darion was responding to a new guy's question about "what happened to the passengers on Flight 77". Apparently the new guy doesn't believe 77 hit the Pentagon (much to the dismay of the mods there) and he thinks that by finding these passengers, this may resolve a great mystery, so darion responds by saying this:

The people on that plane most likely died before or shortly after something hit the pentagon. Ever heard of CDC. All it takes is someone to make a call to the pilots bring it too a new airport and off load all the people into a enclosed area to give them injections. And no one would think it would be strange. It happens some times.

That seems quite wordy for a nomination, but I just fell over laughing at the absurdity of it.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

That seems quite wordy for a nomination [...]


"It happens some times". :p :D

[carlitos]

The six million dollar man explaining the WTC collapse, over at the BBC comments section (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html?page=9#comment s):

For the top section to topple over requires only that it’s Center of Gravity be shifted within itself to the point where you have more mass above and to one side of the top sections Center of Gravity than you have on it’s opposite side (in this case the top sections bottom section and opposite side of the lean).

[GlennB]

I was going to comment on SteveAustin's theory (axiom? :D ) but couldn't straighten out my brain.

[carlitos]

I attempted to explain that there couldn't be more mass "off to one side" of the center of gravity, and he responded with typical honest open dialogue. He has a certain way with words.

Now as for your center of gravity comment, you are simply playing word games here again, and you know it. You know full well exactly what my point was but you instead had to be disingenuous and play your little games. This is a lie by you carlito, plain and simple because you know exactly what I’m talking about.

[Toke]

Did you try to tell him that center of gravity is a point?

[carlitos]

Pointless. He's got super-duper-nanothermite on the brain, and he won't let go. When our good friend tfk pointed out how much thermite would be required to compromise a steel column (by citing energy content of thermite / paper / etc.), he responded with a 'think about it' question (appeal to common sense?) I am waiting for him to answer his own question, found below.

Think about it, if an explosive, pound for pound, has less energy content than paper, then what is it exactly that makes it explode with such force?

[Toke]

Think about it, if an explosive, pound for pound, has less energy content than paper, then what is it exactly that makes it explode with such force?

It sounds hopeless, and reminds me of my first encounter with Heiwa. It involved an one story drop with an energy equivalence of 41 liters of diesel. He got it to 5-10 Kg of tnt, not 200-300Kg.