Feds to seize Hovind's Dinosaur Adventure Land

[Questioninggeller]

Here is the latest in the Kent Hovind tax-protester saga. While Hovind is serving his ten year prison term, it looks like his ill-made creationist theme park built in his home's backyard will be seized. The Hovinds are still using Glen Stoll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_Heaven), king of church trust fraud, as an advisor!


Feds can seize Dinosaur Adventure Land
Kris Wernowsky
pnj.com (http://www.pnj.com/article/20090731/NEWS01/90731016/1006/RSS01)
July 31, 2009

A federal judge has cleared the way for the government’s seizure of a creationism theme park in Pensacola.

A ruling this week says the nine properties that make up Dinosaur Adventure Land, and two bank accounts associated with the park will be used to satisfy $430,400 in restitution owed to the federal government.
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The East Peoria, Ill. native sparred with the IRS for 17 years before his conviction. He claimed no income or property since he was employed by God and said that his ministers were not subject to payroll taxes.
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U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers’ 16-page order released late Thursday gives the government the green light to divide up the nine properties in and around the 5800 block of North Palafox Street and begin to sell them until the $430,400 forfeiture amount is satisfied.

The properties have a combined value of more than what the Hovinds owe, according to Rodgers’ order, and any excess property available after the sales will be returned to the Hovinds.

The Hovinds’ son, Eric, and business associate Glenn Stoll unsuccessfully tried to block the government’s attempt to seize the properties. They said they are the legal owners.
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Kent Hovind made a series of quick transfers to conceal his ownership of the properties at risk for seizure, according to court documents filed by the U.S. attorney’s office.
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Full article: pnj.com (http://www.pnj.com/article/20090731/NEWS01/90731016/1006/RSS01)

You can read the judge's decision here (http://ncseweb.org/webfm_send/1130), I liked this part:


Eric Hovind alleges he took active control over the lot by personally building a home on it with $70,000 he borrowed from CSE...

So Eric just can borrow $70,000 from his organization to build a house? That just goes to show how shady these creationists are.



Listen to Hovind and his family, Eric in particular, try to hide assets from the government.

Kent Hovind complete calls from jail (1-4)
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[Apology]

I'll open the bidding at $25 USD for the statue of a caveman riding a stegosaurus :roll:

[Orphia Nay]

I'll open the bidding at $25 USD for the statue of a caveman riding a stegosaurus :roll:

I would have paid $20 for it as a gift for a creationist friend of my husband... but you outbid me. :)

[Questioninggeller]

Eric Hovind wants some money to pay for his father's crimes, from his twitter (http://twitter.com/erichovind):


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Think we could get 3800 people to give $100? Sounds possible! And with God all things are possible.
5:16 PM Aug 18th from TwitterBerry

Wow, The Judge handed down her order. Just got word that we have 30 days to come up with $380,000 or find a new place for our ministry. Pray
4:28 PM Aug 18th from TwitterBerry
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Sadly, I'm sure many Hovindites will gladly support this...

Meanwhile, Eric is keeping his house with the $70,000 worth of improvements he made from his "ministry" money.

Today he also added to his legal update (part of which I debunked here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4770766&postcount=38)):


Legal Updates
Last Updated: August 20, 2009

On Thursday, July 28, 2009, a federal judge gave the United States government permission to seize ministry property as a substitute for payment of fines (not tax related) imposed upon Dr. Kent Hovind. In addition, the government has given CSE notice that the property (including the homes of three families) must be vacated within 28 days if the forfeiture amount of $380,000 is not paid. While we disagree with this decision, we are complying with all the government's requests.

On August 18, our Board of Directors decided to begin the search for a new location. The ministry will relocate within 28 days to a new location just under a mile away. The news of leaving property that we have served from for over 20 years is devastating; however, despite the circumstances, the future is exciting!
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Would you help us in our transition? We're asking for people who have been impacted by this ministry and have a heart for the creation message to pray and financially support us through this move. It would only take 3,800 people giving $100 to make the difference and help keep Creation Science Evangelism as a relevant and energetic ministry in the creation versus evolution debate.
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This and more creationist nonsense: hp://www.drdino.com/legalupdate.php

[pakeha]

I'm way behind.
I thought the Dino Adventure Land was a skeptic joke, until I looked it up here:
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html

But then I'd thought the 'Grand Canyon formed by the Flood' idea was a skeptic joke, too.

[Amapola]

I went to your link (which should be http://www.drdino.com/legalupdate.php) and it seems there is a difference in what I thought were the charges. I thought this was about property tax and a failure to file for permits - but Eric Hovind claims it is about paying taxes for having employees. Well, maybe I'm confused?

It always astonishes me when people break the law, and then try and change things around so it looks like they didn't break the law, when pretty much everyone knows that they did. I suppose if you break the law, you would have to do that in order to live with yourself.

[Questioninggeller]

I went to your link (which should be http://www.drdino.com/legalupdate.php) and it seems there is a difference in what I thought were the charges. I thought this was about property tax and a failure to file for permits - but Eric Hovind claims it is about paying taxes for having employees. Well, maybe I'm confused?

It always astonishes me when people break the law, and then try and change things around so it looks like they didn't break the law, when pretty much everyone knows that they did. I suppose if you break the law, you would have to do that in order to live with yourself.

Yeah, Eric's lying to his readers, but that's what creationists do.

In this post I show (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4770766&postcount=38) how Eric is lying by comparing his claims to court documents and statement's by Hovind's own workers and advisor.

[desertyeti]

Creationists thrive on selling lies and misrepresentations to the gullible masses. I have zero sympathy for them or the willfully ignorant mouth-breathers that follow them with glazed-over eyes and stupid one-phrase slogans that they vomit up when confronted by any sort of scientific thought.

[Questioninggeller]

The following Hovind is Kent Hovind's daughter-in-law:


Supporters rally behind Winkler
Pensacola News Journal (http://www.pnj.com/article/20090822/NEWS01/908220327)
‎Aug 21, 2009‎

Many didn't know Michelle Winkler, but about 100 people stood across the federal courthouse in downtown Pensacola on Friday to support her right to lead others in prayer anywhere she chooses.
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Danielle Hovind of Pensacola attended the demonstration with her two children and some nieces and nephews.

She said the ACLU targets Christians more than people of other faiths.

"We don't want to be discriminated against because of our faith," Hovind said. "The government should not be able to keep you from praying."

Hovind is the daughter-in-law of Kent Hovind, who once operated a creationism theme park as well as a ministry, Creation Science Evangelism, in Pensacola. He is serving 10 years in federal prison for failing to pay the Internal Revenue Service more than $470,000 in employee taxes.

She does not object to school officials promoting prayer in the classroom, and she thinks the current laws prohibiting it violate the First Amendment.

Hovind said that public school students who don't follow a certain faith don't have to participate if a prayer is said in school.
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Full: Pensacola News Journal (http://www.pnj.com/article/20090822/NEWS01/908220327)

Proving that yet another member of the Hovind family makes stuff up (about the ACLU) and doesn't understand basic constitutional law.


ETA: Kent Hovind teaches the public (and presumably his family) that the ACLU is part of the "New World Order" conspiracy (http://www.kent-hovind.com/quotes/conspiracy.htm) and says: "The ACLU (The American Communist Lawyers Association, no, I'm sorry, it's the Anti Christian Lawyers Association). (http://www.kent-hovind.com/quotes/conspiracy.htm)" I wonder if Danielle Hovind and the children she was with get her "facts" from the Hovind patriarch (or equally as ignorant sources)?

<Picture from Hovind's seminar, where he talks about his family being employed in his business.>

[catbasket]

ETA: Kent Hovind teaches the public (and presumably his family) that the ACLU is part of the "New World Order" conspiracy (http://www.kent-hovind.com/quotes/conspiracy.htm) and says: "The ACLU (The American Communist Lawyers Association, no, I'm sorry, it's the Anti Christian Lawyers Association). (http://www.kent-hovind.com/quotes/conspiracy.htm)" ...

Has the ACLU changed its acronym from ACLA at some time in the past?

ACLA seems to be the American Christian Lobbyists Association ... maybe he hates them too?!

[/confused Brit]

[Questioninggeller]

Has the ACLU changed its acronym from ACLA at some time in the past?

ACLA seems to be the American Christian Lobbyists Association ... maybe he hates them too?!

[/confused Brit]

You're not confused, Hovind is. Hovind didn't notice the difference between "association" and "union."

[desertyeti]

Astonishing!
A creationist who can't differentiate between fairy tales and fact also has a hard time spelling?
Will wonders never cease?!

[Questioninggeller]

Hovind's twitter account:


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Think we could get 3800 people to give $100? Sounds possible! And with God all things are possible.
5:16 PM Aug 18th from TwitterBerry
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Wow, The Judge handed down her order. Just got word that we have 30 days to come up with $380,000 or find a new place for our ministry. Pray
4:28 PM Aug 18th from TwitterBerry


Now he just announced:


Just got word that we only need 2000 more people and we are home free!!!!!!!

Aug 25th from TwitterBerry


Proving that creationists will support lies and liars if the liars tell them what they want to hear.

[Pure Argent]

Hovind's twitter account:

Now he just announced:

Proving that creationists will support lies and liars if the liars tell them what they want to hear.

What's really sad is that there's a good chance that he'll actually get the money, too.

[desertyeti]

Creationists are very similar to Holocaust Deniers and others of that sort.
Thrive on ignorance and lash out at anyone who dares to actually learn something of the real world.
Truly sad.

[Eyeron]

So is this the Creationist Museum or is it something else completely different?

Either way I'm glad to see it go. We don't need this creationist junk taught as fact to gullible people who don't know any better.

[Questioninggeller]

So is this the Creationist Museum or is it something else completely different?

Either way I'm glad to see it go. We don't need this creationist junk taught as fact to gullible people who don't know any better.

It's different. The Creationist "Museum" is in Kentucky and ran by Answers in Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis), a apologetics ministry with millions of dollars in its yearly budget. Dinosaur Adventure Land is a "theme park" built in the backyard (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/stupid_dino_tricks_a_visit_to_kent_hovindrsquos_di nosaur_adventure_land/) of Kent Hovind's Florida house. Hovind, a diploma mill graduate and delusional conspiracy theorist, refused to pay taxes on the millions of dollars he earned over the last few years so the government wants its money.

[catbasket]

You're not confused, Hovind is. Hovind didn't notice the difference between "association" and "union."
Actually I was a little confused - I didn't think Hovind could be that stupid. Lesson learned.