Muslim bashing (justified) and paranioa (unjustified)

[the_ignored]

And now, the politically incorrect thread of the day...have a look at this RR thread (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?threadid=115863).

They complain that John Hagee's been censored becasue of what he says about Islam, and the tapes he has of what their religious leaders saying.

Then, they go off on a tangent about how soon it'll be that xians will get persecuted.

It looks like just as the muslims are afraid to look at their faith and it's ramifications, I suspect the same is true of xianity, when they don't look at the historical consequences of their faith and of how much political power they hold, even when they whine about "how soon it'll be until we get persecuted" like that all the time.


<sigh> Almost like two peas in a pod.

[calladus]

My pastor said recently that the days are coming very soon when They will tell you what you can preach and what you can't. And asked are we willing to give up our tax exempt status? Or accept all consequences of preaching the entire Word of God?
I would love to help Christianity give up their tax exempt status!

As the bumper sticker says, "Churches should stay out of politics or be Taxed."

[TruthSeeker]

My favourite post in that thread:

Catholics... pfft.

Now even Catholics are joining alongside atheists to kill off evangelicals.

I can't believe that those that are in the middle of this cannot see the hatred that is in the eyes of Catholics. They think that we are the ones committing hate.




It's all a big atheist-Catholic conspiracy. I should have known.

[c4ts]

Believers (by believers, I mean the RR people and similar folks) pay enough to pray already. They pay with their lives and their capacity to be rational. What difference is taxation going to make?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Here is Canada it's illegal to say anything hateful towards any religion, race and lifestyle. You can go to jail, some already have.

I don't agree with this, they are shutting us up slowly. It seems that everything is illegal except bashing Christians. And everyone seems to know this, so on-ward they will go, and Christians presecutions will begin big time.
OK, someone tell me if I'm following this logic correctly: They won't let us badmouth anyone now. Therefore, eventually they'll obviously encourage us to badmouth Christians. Did I get that right?

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas

OK, someone tell me if I'm following this logic correctly: They won't let us badmouth anyone now. Therefore, eventually they'll obviously encourage us to badmouth Christians. Did I get that right?

It's all part of the Catholic-Atheist-Reverse Vampire conspiracy. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh...don't tell anyone.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas

Here is Canada it's illegal to say anything hateful towards any religion, race and lifestyle. You can go to jail, some already have.

I don't agree with this, they are shutting us up slowly. It seems that everything is illegal except bashing Christians. And everyone seems to know this, so on-ward they will go, and Christians presecutions will begin big time.

OK, someone tell me if I'm following this logic correctly: They won't let us badmouth anyone now. Therefore, eventually they'll obviously encourage us to badmouth Christians. Did I get that right?
Your not missing any logic, the author of this particular post is pulling "facts" out of the air to try to get a point across.

See Canada - Free Speech (http://www.uottawa.ca/hrrec/lawroom/freespch.html)
<blockquote>1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.</blockquote>

Section 1 means that a law which limits free speech is okay so long as:

* It's a reasonable limit on free speech; and
* The limit is justified in a free and democractic society.

The Supreme Court said that there are a number of reasons why limiting hateful speech makes sense.

* Hate propaganda harms all of us.
* Stopping the spread of hate propaganda makes it easier for people with different backgrounds to live together.
* Stopping hate propaganda may even reduce violence in Canada.

...

<blockquote>13. (1) It is a discriminatory practice for a person or a group of persons acting in concert to communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated, repeatedly, in whole or in part by means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the legislative authority of Parliament, any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.</blockquote>

The Supreme Court of Canada has said that section 13(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act is not an unreasonable limit on free speech. But it hasn't said whether or not it applies to hateful messages posted on the Internet.
(The article is from November 1997, I dont know if it still applies today...)

The person who wrote the post is exagerrating parts of the Canadian Constitution. Canada doesnt prohibit free speech, it prohibits the willful promotion of hatred.

[Zero]

Since when is hate speech something that you would want to actively promote, anyways? We're sort of stuck tolerating it, but that doesn't mean I am going to go out of my way to support hate groups either. And, of course, if your religious position puts you in the category of 'hate group', at least accept it with whatever little bity of dignity you can muster.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by calladus
As the bumper sticker says, "Churches should stay out of politics or be Taxed." This slogan has always seemed silly to me. Greenpeace, the National Organization for Women, the NRA and the ACLU are all - as a matter of course - more deeply involved in politics than any church is likely to become. Does this provide a basis for revoking the tax-exempt status of those organizations? Of course not. Some people, however, have a peculiar understanding of the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code, and of tax policy in general.

[calladus]

Originally posted by c4ts
Believers (by believers, I mean the RR people and similar folks) pay enough to pray already. They pay with their lives and their capacity to be rational. What difference is taxation going to make? Tax is the entry fee to play politics. Don't pay, don't play.

[calladus]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
This slogan has always seemed silly to me. Greenpeace, the National Organization for Women, the NRA and the ACLU are all - as a matter of course - more deeply involved in politics than any church is likely to become. Does this provide a basis for revoking the tax-exempt status of those organizations? Of course not. Some people, however, have a peculiar understanding of the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code, and of tax policy in general.

Hmmm... this I didn't know. And actually, I haven't done any homework on it. Time to rectify that I believe!

Thanks - I may change my position on this after I get a better handle on it.

Anyone have a pointer or two for me?

(pulls out his Politics for Dummys reference manual)