Because "leftists" have ruined comic superheroes....

[gethane]

The Patriot (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011289/posts)


Good lord. Some people just astound me.

[Tony]

Besides the cheesyness, what's wrong with it?

[VicDaring]

I'm not big on smilies, but...

:dl:

[Zero]

Morons have been angry at comic books since they stopped featuring white WWII heros killing Asians for fun.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Tony
Besides the cheesyness, what's wrong with it?

The cheesyness alone made me want to claw out my own eyes.

[Marc]

Ok, what would the "rightists" do with comic superheros?

Hmm... Kar-El is the last survivor of Krypton, crashes in Kansas and raised by fundamentalists. Grows up to be SuperBaptist, using his heat vision to level abortion clinics, his x-ray vision lets him find vile sodomists wherevery they may hide. We find the 10 Comandments one morning etched in 20 foot high letters on a mountainside.

Yup, that is just what america needs. And if you go back to the golden age they can have the heros fight against such evils as desegrigation.

[Tmy]

"Leftist have ruined Superhhero" "Thats why the industry is dying."


Uhhh maybe these kooks havent noticed that these LEFTIST SUPERHEROS have made billions at the box office over the last few years. Somthing is working.

[Tony]

WTF?? There are leftist superheros?

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Marc
Ok, what would the "rightists" do with comic superheros?

Hmm... Kar-El is the last survivor of Krypton, crashes in Kansas and raised by fundamentalists. Grows up to be SuperBaptist, using his heat vision to level abortion clinics, his x-ray vision lets him find vile sodomists wherevery they may hide. We find the 10 Comandments one morning etched in 20 foot high letters on a mountainside.

Yup, that is just what america needs. And if you go back to the golden age they can have the heros fight against such evils as desegrigation.

Umm nope. It would more likey be this "Kal El falls to earth. Years later he tries to get a drivers license but he is denied because hes an illegal alien (literally). Not being able to deport him to his destroyed planet he is sent to camp Xray and held there for life. After all the guy is a theat to our nations security."

[hgc]

Originally posted by Tony
Besides the cheesyness, what's wrong with it? The drawings suck. If you can't that right in a comic book, then what have you got?

[Tony]

Originally posted by hgc
The drawings suck. If you can't that right in a comic book, then what have you got?


True, but I thought the poster had an objection over the message.

[Cleon]

Originally posted by hgc
The drawings suck. If you can't that right in a comic book, then what have you got?

Jack Chick?

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Tony
WTF?? There are leftist superheros?

Tony, the, uh, "artists'" entire reason for putting out "The PATRIOT" is:

"We felt the need to do this since DC and Marvel comics have allowed our superheroes to be hijacked by the left. America needs a new superhero, here he is."

It's just really, really strange...

[Tony]

Originally posted by Cleon

"We felt the need to do this since DC and Marvel comics have allowed our superheroes to be hijacked by the left. America needs a new superhero, here he is."


But has the left hijacked comics? I confess, I have no idea. My interest in comics is on the same level with my interest in navel lint.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Tony


But has the left hijacked comics? I confess, I have no idea. My interest in comics is on the same level with my interest in navel lint. Not that I know of. I browse them on the shelves occassionally, but rarely buy them.

Comic books (not necessarily the standard superhero variety) have a great tradition of radicalism, but not so much on the left/right political front as on other cultural topics.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Tony


But has the left hijacked comics? I confess, I have no idea. My interest in comics is on the same level with my interest in navel lint.
Here's a description of the latest Captain America Graphic Novels.

CAPTAIN AMERICA VOL. 2: THE EXTREMISTS

Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
Written by JOHN NEY RIEBER
Art by TREVOR HAIRSINE, JAE LEE
Captain America clashes with Redpath, an adversary that shares Cap’s ideal of a powerful and unified America, but who lacks a moral compass. Redpath and his team of cronies, The Extremists, plan to cleanse America by force - and only Captain America can stop them. Collects CAPTAIN AMERICA #7-11.

CAPTAIN AMERICA VOL. I: THE NEW DEAL HC

Written by John Ney Rieber
Art by John Cassaday
In the aftermath of 9/11, Cap must come to grips with a changing global landscape. From the ruins of the World Trade Center to the horrors of a small town shaken by terrorism, the star-spangled Super_Soldier is forced to make some hard decisions about his role in the world.

Sounds like Cap would be voting Wesley Clark.Captain America website (http://www.marvel.com/minisites/minisites.htm?title=CAPTAIN+AMERICA&family=marvel+heroes)

[Tmy]

Oh comics are always behind the times.

I think theyre complaining about recent stories where gay characters have been poppingup in comic books.

[I'll_buy_that]

it just plain sucks


:r:

[Hexxenhammer]

Cap is the real patriot.
http://www.marvel.com/comics/trades/covers/0785109781.jpg

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Tony


But has the left hijacked comics? I confess, I have no idea. My interest in comics is on the same level with my interest in navel lint.

Oh, come on, the comic book industry has been run by communists since the 20s...I mean, Superman? The man of steel? Who else was called the "man of steel?" STALIN! HELLO!!!!

[Disclaimer for the humor impaired: The above is meant is a sarcastic, cynical form of humor. I don't really think Superman was Uncle Joe in a funky cape.]

In all seriousness...My guess is the author simply states that comic books have been "hijacked by the left" in the all-too-correct belief nobody will challenge him on it with, you know, facts. Much the same way certain people claim the media is run by Jews or that the world was created in six days. They take it as an article of faith.

To my knowledge, the claim hasn't the remotest basis in fact. Batman goes around beating the hell out of mentally challenged or physically deformed people; not exactly PC. Superman was/is ultra-patriotic. The Punisher goes around killing criminals without trial. The X-men are just, well, the X-men. (Though it could be argued that the theme of the X-men movies is a thinly veiled attack on the anti-gay rights crowd.)

[Zero]

Originally posted by Tmy


Umm nope. It would more likey be this "Kal El falls to earth. Years later he tries to get a drivers license but he is denied because hes an illegal alien (literally). Not being able to deport him to his destroyed planet he is sent to camp Xray and held there for life. After all the guy is a theat to our nations security." Actually, that is the current plotline, isn't it? They have installed Lex Luthor as president, after all, and he acts pretty much just like Dubya.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Cleon
The X-men are just, well, the X-men. (Though it could be argued that the theme of the X-men movies is a thinly veiled attack on the anti-gay rights crowd.)

The X-men have always been a completely unveiled attack on racism and bigotry of any sort. (Since the first issues of the comic, but especially since the original 'all American' team was replaced with an international squad.)

The X-men were always hated and mistrusted because they were 'born different'.

[Tmy]

I remember the care free days of TV wathing when I was a kid.

Ya know the Smurfs were a bunch of communists, so I had to balance my cartoon watching with a little GI Joe patriotic propagana.

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Tony
WTF?? There are leftist superheros?

Oh come on. Didn't it ever strike you that both Superman and Spiderman both have alter egos who work in the liberal media? And have you ever heard about a city who put out an open tender for superheroes? Free market it is not. Wonder Woman, of course, is clearly a representative of the Femi-Nazi matriarch conspiracy - I mean, a warrior from a nation of women, who have come to the USA and spends her time lasooing and tying up vilified men - how obvious can you get? Bruce Banner is of course a leftist pacifist - why else would he try to prevent the US military from producing and using the gamma bomb? The X-Men, of course, are clearly linked to the leftist / liberal block that controls our schools and ... :-P

[gethane]

sorry didn't mean to post and run. I have a new 3 week old baby that required some love and snuggling ;)

I don't find the comic creepy, per se, but find the idea that there are people out there that believe as the poster(s) on the thread where the comic was posted just flat out weird. #1 Comic book super heroes are SO important that we must have one that matches our particular form of patriotism? (yes, because if you don't believe exactly as I do, you aren't patriotic!!!) Come on, that's creepy. #2 The intelligence level of the people that believe that there is some sort of conspiracy taking over our comic books. Flat out freaky.

So that's the problem I had. Hell, make all the comics you want, I don't care, what scared me were the posters on the thread more than anything.

[Marc]

Originally posted by Leif Roar
Wonder Woman, of course, is clearly a representative of the Femi-Nazi matriarch conspiracy - I mean, a warrior from a nation of women, who have come to the USA and spends her time lasooing and tying up vilified men - how obvious can you get?

You left out she is a Paegan, comming from a society that worships the greek gods. Over at marvel you have paegan gods running around, Herculese and Thor. Don't even get started on the Scarlet Witch!

and the villians? How many times lately have the bad guys been tied to large corporations or secret government projects? It puts our real corporations and secret projects in a bad light! ;)

[Tmy]

Ive been wathing the cartoonnetwork with my nephews (OK OK I like to watch the cartoons) and they have remade cartoons that I watched as a kid. Namely the Superfriends, He-Man, and Transformers. I was shocked on how violent and complicated the new versions are. Sure they are more diverse (Green Latern is a black guy) but they deal with things that the old school toons never did. For example people die. THEY NEVER DIED BACK IN MY DAY. and there are jokes that only adults would understand.

My theory is that they are targeting parents with these shows just as much as they target the kids. And of course its the liberals destroying good taste and our children.:p

[Marc]

Originally posted by Tmy
Ive been wathing the cartoonnetwork with my nephews (OK OK I like to watch the cartoons) and they have remade cartoons that I watched as a kid. Namely the Superfriends, He-Man, and Transformers. I was shocked on how violent and complicated the new versions are. Sure they are more diverse (Green Latern is a black guy) but they deal with things that the old school toons never did. For example people die. THEY NEVER DIED BACK IN MY DAY. and there are jokes that only adults would understand.


I think the new He-Man is a huge improvement over the original. Transformers however sux. The JusticeLeague is a great cartoon, continuing the style and quality started with the Batman series (spawning a Superman series and Batman Beyond as well as this one) A far cry from the Superfriends which was targeted at 10 year olds.

Umm.. there is an entire Green Lantern Corps, with at least 4 humans being members. John Stewart is not new to the GLC, just one of their less used characters. Best known was Hal Jordan, there was also Guy Gardner. Then Hal went insane, destroyed the GLC, stole all the power of the main battery for himself. The last ring was given to Kyle Ryder who is the current Green Lantern. Hal has since regained sanity I think, but has become the new Specter.


Who has died in the cartoons? Plenty of heros died in DC comics. Especially during the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline, they killed off a bunch there, including the original Supergirl. They killed off a Robin many years ago. Marvel Comic's Captain Marvel died of cancer long ago.

[NoZed Avenger]

RE: the comic.

"Kablam"?

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Marc

Who has died in the cartoons? Plenty of heros died in DC comics. Especially during the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline, they killed off a bunch there, including the original Supergirl. They killed off a Robin many years ago. Marvel Comic's Captain Marvel died of cancer long ago. They just killed Solomon Grundy on a Justice League I saw a few weeks ago. I was SHOCKED. The episode had the atheist Hawkgirl arguing with theist Wonder Woman after Hawkgirl got sick of hearing "Hera give me strength!" They were basically fighting Cthulhu (with a different name) who the hawk people had worshipped as a god in the past. Aquaman fought off the evil Lovecraftian monsters who were attacking Atlantis, with the help of sharks, whales and such. Solomon Grundy was fighting with the Justice League because the bad guys wanted him for some reason. His epitaph was "Born on a Monday". Best....episode....EVER.

[Marc]

Oh yes, I remember that episode. Also recall an episode of Superman where a detective got killed when he fought against an invasion by Darkseid.

Anyway, it was the heros that needed Grundy. Dr. Fate needed a souless undead for the spell to keep the Cthulhu spawn out. Grundy agreed to help for gold (and in repayment for rescuing him from capture at the start of the episode). They found out Grundy's history, and Grundy changed his mind, he would help if they get his soul back. He ended up thinking Cthulhu had it so he attacked the tentacled one.

was a little put off by the theme of Wonder Woman's faith being useful and Hawkgirl's atheism leaving her empty.

We did find out last week that Hawkgirl has lovely green eyes to go with the fine red hair. my favorite combination! :)

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Marc


I think the new He-Man is a huge improvement over the original. Transformers however sux. The JusticeLeague is a great cartoon, continuing the style and quality started with the Batman series (spawning a Superman series and Batman Beyond as well as this one) A far cry from the Superfriends which was targeted at 10 year olds.

Umm.. there is an entire Green Lantern Corps, with at least 4 humans being members. John Stewart is not new to the GLC, just one of their less used characters. Best known was Hal Jordan, there was also Guy Gardner. Then Hal went insane, destroyed the GLC, stole all the power of the main battery for himself. The last ring was given to Kyle Ryder who is the current Green Lantern. Hal has since regained sanity I think, but has become the new Specter.


Who has died in the cartoons? Plenty of heros died in DC comics. Especially during the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline, they killed off a bunch there, including the original Supergirl. They killed off a Robin many years ago. Marvel Comic's Captain Marvel died of cancer long ago.

Yeah comics have death, but toons avoided it. Remember how silly it was in GI Joe. Everyones shooting lazers at eaxh other but no one gets hit. And when they shot down a plane, they made sure that youd see the pilot parachute to safety.

The new trandformers diod suck, but I watched it the other day. It was excellent! Starscream dies!

Did you notice the sexul tensions tween Hawkgirl and Green Lantern.

This stuff is betterthanthe mindless sitcoms that dot primetime.

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Marc
Oh yes, I remember that episode. Also recall an episode of Superman where a detective got killed when he fought against an invasion by Darkseid.



Interesting side note...

Did you happen to notice at the end of that I think, 3 part series, that the detective's funeral was a full on Jewish ceremony complete with accurate hebrew...

I just thought that was neat and unusual since that kind of stuff didn't happen on the cartoons of my era.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Interesting side note...

Did you happen to notice at the end of that I think, 3 part series, that the detective's funeral was a full on Jewish ceremony complete with accurate hebrew...

I just thought that was neat and unusual since that kind of stuff didn't happen on the cartoons of my era. Intelligent touches like are what make me watch more cartoon network than anything on the major networks. In fact, the only thing I regularly watch on network TV is the Simpsons.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Interesting side note...

Did you happen to notice at the end of that I think, 3 part series, that the detective's funeral was a full on Jewish ceremony complete with accurate hebrew... Same episode, that detective's female partner, names are escaping me, gets injured and is put into the hospital. There and a few subsequent scenes (like the above mentioned funeral) she is joined by her (presumably) lesbian partner.

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Intelligent touches like are what make me watch more cartoon network than anything on the major networks. In fact, the only thing I regularly watch on network TV is the Simpsons.

Oh totally, between the Futureama / Family Guy hour, and Sealab 2021 (Which I've now decided is the single most brilliant creative endeavor of this century.) on Sundays, that's pretty much my week's worth of television.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Oh totally, between the Futureama / Family Guy hour, and Sealab 2021 (Which I've now decided is the single most brilliant creative endeavor of this century.) on Sundays, that's pretty much my week's worth of television. Adult Swim used to have one called Home Movies which was just absolutely the funniest thing they had on for a while. To bad they don't show it anymore (I think)

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Adult Swim used to have one called Home Movies which was just absolutely the funniest thing they had on for a while. To bad they don't show it anymore (I think)

Oh, with the Squigglevision people? Some of the same people from Doctor Katz?

Yeah, that was on on a Sunday night, oh......not longer than 3 weeks ago. Don't know if it was a regular thing or just filler.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Oh, with the Squigglevision people? Some of the same people from Doctor Katz?

Yeah, that was on on a Sunday night, oh......not longer than 3 weeks ago. Don't know if it was a regular thing or just filler. Once they run out of episodes, they rotate the schedule. Home Movies is just on late Sunday for now I think. It will be back earlier and more often when they make some more. It's one of my favorites too.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Oh totally, between the Futureama / Family Guy hour, and Sealab 2021 (Which I've now decided is the single most brilliant creative endeavor of this century.) on Sundays, that's pretty much my week's worth of television.

You don't like Aquateen Hungerforce or Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law?

[UserGoogol]

^ Yeah, they're waiting for more episodes, which are lined up for January.

[Marc]

Originally posted by Tmy

Did you notice the sexul tensions tween Hawkgirl and Green Lantern.



Well considering that in the last episode they came out and admitted their attraction, he took off her mask and kissed her, yea!

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by gethane
The Patriot (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011289/posts)


Good lord. Some people just astound me.

Read "The Punisher".

Frank Castle is about as pro-NRA and politically incorrect as one can get... ;)

[StuBob]

Originally posted by Zero
Actually, that is the current plotline, isn't it? They have installed Lex Luthor as president, after all, and he acts pretty much just like Dubya.

Sorry, Zero. Very poor analogy. Remember that Lex Luthor is an evil GENIUS.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Read "The Punisher".

Frank Castle is about as pro-NRA and politically incorrect as one can get... ;) In the latest series by Garth Ennis he seems to be bigoted against Italian American Business men. He kept chucking them off the top of the Empire State Building. Then there was the Russian cyborg with the gigantic man-boobs that were a side effect of the cyborgification (I made a new word!). Good stuff.

[Skeptic]

In this case, to paraphrase Samuel Johnson, "Patriotism is the last refuse of the talentless".

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Grammatron


You don't like Aquateen Hungerforce or Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law?

Sorry. For some bizarre reason they don't hit my funny bone quite the same way.

Harvey Birdman is pretty amusing, but ATF...it's almost too far out. Without some central grouding concept, I can't get the humor as much. It's like a funny guy without a straight man. There's nothing funny about absurdism if there isn't some shred of reality to contrast it against.

I mean that's my subjective experience, I know people who love it.

[shanek]

Originally posted by Cleon
Tony, the, uh, "artists'" entire reason for putting out "The PATRIOT" is:

"We felt the need to do this since DC and Marvel comics have allowed our superheroes to be hijacked by the left. America needs a new superhero, here he is."

It's just really, really strange...

I can only conclude that these people haven't read Amazing Spider-Man #36 (the 9/11 story)...

http://icv2.com/images/319167AmSpid36md.jpg

[Suezoled]

read manga.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Sorry. For some bizarre reason they don't hit my funny bone quite the same way.

Harvey Birdman is pretty amusing, but ATF...it's almost too far out. Without some central grouding concept, I can't get the humor as much. It's like a funny guy without a straight man. There's nothing funny about absurdism if there isn't some shred of reality to contrast it against.

I mean that's my subjective experience, I know people who love it.

I agree ATF is an acquired taste. At first I did not get it either, but the more you watch it the funnier it gets. It's just one step further from Sea Lab, which is made by the same people.