Just in time for 9-11 remembrance the "passengers never existed" BS

[Bobert]

Oh and take a guess which lunatic is bringing up this insanity?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread488963/pg1
It appears that the FAMILIES of those that died may not even exist!
I have just not been able to find any evidence that most of the families of the alleged passengers aboard the 9-11 flights even exist.
He also seems to be painting a picture that in addition to the airlines being involved the AIRPORTS THEMSELVES may be involved in MASS MURDER.

[EventHorizon]

People are just sick.

[njslim]

Figured might be KILLTOWN sock puppet as spews out some bunch of BS

Goes by SP PRESTON - dont know if real name or not....

[Justin39640]

People are just sick.

their blaming ted olsen again in the comments
that he helped to covered up the murder of his wife (who was an "alleged" passenger)
sick and insane

That's right folks. Solicitor General Ted Olson, like most members of the Bush Regime, LIED about 9-11. In the Zacherias Moussouai Showtrial, the FBI presented evidence that Ted Olson could not have received phone calls from Barbara Olson, allegedly a passenger on board Flight 77, and did not receive those phone calls.

Barbara Olson was the source of the information that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers" and that their weapons were comprised of "knives and cardboard cutters".

Barbara Olson was also the only source that Flight 77 was still aloft over Ohio after it had disappeared from FAA radars around 9:00 AM EDT. There had been reports that a plane had crashed up by the Ohio/Kentucky border. But Barbara Olson did not call Ted Olson. Therefore all that disinformation is bogus with no foundation in reality.

[Bobert]

Yes good old SPreston on the case.

[16.5]

So Where Were The Families And Friends Of The Alleged Passengers And Crew Of The 9-11 Aircraft?

Gee, CIT's biggest fan goes full no planer retard.

the next time that a truther claims to speak on behalf of the victims and families of 911, just link them to this mutt's thread over at ATS.

[T.A.M.]

obviously these people are disinfo out to discredit the real questions posed by well intentioned seekers of the truth.

TAM:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[dudalb]

Frankly, I would not mind beating the crap out of the people who are pushing the "no passengers" theory. Not so much that is such total BS..that I can tolerate..but because it is so freaking cruel to the famalies and friends of the victims.

[A W Smith]

Similar to when SPreston denied the pentagon witnesses (http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm) even existed before he was banned here. He has kicked his insanity up a notch in desperation.

[Mel Odious]

Not only did the "passengers" not exist, the "passengers' relatives" were all paid actors. At least, according to an idiot named "fred" at the 9/11 Truth Movement forums.

There has been a lot of excellent research on the topic of fake passengers from MontanaWildhack and AmandaReckonwith. The short answer is that the vast majority of the "passengers" never existed except as fictitious creations. There are a few actors paid to act as their "relatives" but that's about it.


Another common theme that connects the relatives of the victims seems to be Real Estate liens that are suddenly repaid -- mysterious forgiveness of debt right before the 9-11 attacks.

If I were to speculate, I'd say that the handful actors and actresses hired to play the part of "passenger's relatives" were paid by laundering money through shady real estate transactions.


Click here to read the thread. (http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=6955)

:covereyes:

[Justin39640]

Similar to when SPreston denied the pentagon witnesses (http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm) even existed before he was banned here. He has kicked his insanity up a notch in desperation.

i was just reading through that
ive read some of those before but not that many
a bunch of people said they saw passengers faces
that must be tough to see them in their last seconds
then morons like these deny they existed

another thing that caught my attention
several of the witnesses describing the sound of crinkling and grinding metal as it plowed through
would a missile make similar noises?
i wouldnt think so

what sort of warhead would do damage like that?
for arguments sake
lets say it was a missile
the video shows a large fireball on contact with the wall
this would be the detonation
what would the collateral damage be?
and dont tomahawks usually penetrate before they go off?

if a missile did go off that close to all those people in traffic would they have had their ears blown out and cars flipped over?

[JoeyDonuts]

what sort of warhead would do damage like that?
for arguments sake
lets say it was a missile
the video shows a large fireball on contact with the wall
this would be the detonation
what would the collateral damage be?
and dont tomahawks usually penetrate before they go off?

It depends on what the programming/arming of the Tomahawk is set for. In this case, assuming of course, it'd be set for a single impact and be equipped with a large unitary warhead. Tomahawks can also be set to hit six different targets - Dropping a series of five groups of cluster munitions over a pre-programmed course and using the airframe/remaining propellant to impact a sixth. Of course this is - as we all know - ridiculous to assume its use at the Pentagon.

A TLAM is about 1/10th the size of an airliner.

Eyewitnesses saw an airliner slam into the Pentagon.

TLAM's also do not carry passengers, whose remains were positively identified by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Similar to when SPreston denied the pentagon witnesses (http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm) even existed before he was banned here. He has kicked his insanity up a notch in desperation.

SPreston is not banned. He just hasn't been posting.

ETA: I'm sure one of his sockpuppets was banned, but SPreston is still registered here.

[jhunter1163]

The stupid, it burns...

Also: Bobert, your avatar is just plain wrong.

[Gytha Ogg]

Another common theme that connects the relatives of the victims seems to be Real Estate liens that are suddenly repaid -- mysterious forgiveness of debt right before the 9-11 attacks.

If I were to speculate, I'd say that the handful actors and actresses hired to play the part of "passenger's relatives" were paid by laundering money through shady real estate transactions.

Absolutely disgusting. I can't even comprehend what sort of mind would come up wth something so revolting.

[Justin39640]

It depends on what the programming/arming of the Tomahawk is set for. In this case, assuming of course, it'd be set for a single impact and be equipped with a large unitary warhead. Tomahawks can also be set to hit six different targets - Dropping a series of five groups of cluster munitions over a pre-programmed course and using the airframe/remaining propellant to impact a sixth. Of course this is - as we all know - ridiculous to assume its use at the Pentagon.

A TLAM is about 1/10th the size of an airliner.

Eyewitnesses saw an airliner slam into the Pentagon.

TLAM's also do not carry passengers, whose remains were positively identified by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

ah ok
i just thought as i was reading the witness statements that if was a tomahawk that exploded on the exterior that half those witnesses would have been dead or seriously injured

like you said its a ridiculous theory
just thinking that the idea might debunk itself based on the fact people were only a few hundred feet away and walked away unscathed
let alone the ID'd bodies and the fact that a tomahawk could never be mistaken for an airliner

[BigAl]

ah ok
i just thought as i was reading the witness statements that if was a tomahawk that exploded on the exterior that half those witnesses would have been dead or seriously injured


The largest non-nuke missile in the world has a warhead of about 1,000-2,000 pounds of high explosive. That's about 1% of the energy of a 757 and then there is the thousands of pounds of gas that the plane brought to the party.

[BigAl]

Not only did the "passengers" not exist, the "passengers' relatives" were all paid actors. At least, according to an idiot named "fred" at the 9/11 Truth Movement forums.

Then I've met one of those "actors". She was acting real good at the time.

The no-planers are sick.

[Justin39640]

The largest non-nuke missile in the world has a warhead of about 1,000-2,000 pounds of high explosive. That's about 1% of the energy of a 757 and then there is the thousands of pounds of gas that the plane brought to the party.

i just thought the big difference though be in the speed of the actual explosion
making a tomahawk more devastating to the observers (creating a more powerful shockwave)
i was more thinkin about that aspect than the effect on the building

but what youre saying makes sense too
i just thought i wouldnt want to be that close to a 2000 lb bomb going off due to the concussion

[FineWine]

It's funny, in a grotesque, sickening way, that these vile imbeciles bray about their "research" showing that the terrorists' victims and their relatives don't exist, but not one of them would actually do any real research.

Hire a private investigator, track down a few of those relatives, and confront them. Tell them exactly why you went to the trouble of tracking them down. Report the results.

[Justin39640]

It's funny, in a grotesque, sickening way, that these vile imbeciles bray about their "research" showing that the terrorists' victims and their relatives don't exist, but not one of them would actually do any real research.

Hire a private investigator, track down a few of those relatives, and confront them. Tell them exactly why you went to the trouble of tracking them down. Report the results.

isnt there a few instances of truthers harassing victim's families?

[nicepants]

It's funny, in a grotesque, sickening way, that these vile imbeciles bray about their "research" showing that the terrorists' victims and their relatives don't exist, but not one of them would actually do any real research.

Hire a private investigator, track down a few of those relatives, and confront them. Tell them exactly why you went to the trouble of tracking them down. Report the results.

That would require real-world action and as we all know, the vast majority of truthers only operate online.

Here's what happens when a truther's mom takes his internet access away

YersIyzsOpc

[FineWine]

isnt there a few instances of truthers harassing victim's families?


Yes, they'll harass the family members of victims. They will NEVER relate what those family members actually told them.

[FineWine]

That would require real-world action and as we all know, the vast majority of truthers only operate online.

Here's what happens when a truther's mom takes his internet access away

YersIyzsOpc


Did you get Homeland Insurgency's permission to post this?

[Sam.I.Am]

A TLAM is about 1/10th the size of an airliner.

A TLAM fits inside of a standard 21" diameter submarine torpedo tube and is about 19' long. It does get wider after the wings are deployed (~10 feet) but by volume it's nowhere near 1/10th the size of an airliner. It's more like 1/100th the size, and that's being generous to say the least.

Those weapons were designed for submarine launch first and, just like the Harpoon before it, it was adapted for surface and air launch after it was accepted for submarines..

[Bobert]

the stupid, it burns...

Also: Bobert, your avatar is just plain wrong.
mwahahahahahahaha!

[Rogue1stclass]

That would require real-world action and as we all know, the vast majority of truthers only operate online.

Here's what happens when a truther's mom takes his internet access away

YersIyzsOpc

Holy crap!

That kid got so mad he actually turned into a dolphin!

[boloboffin]

That would require real-world action and as we all know, the vast majority of truthers only operate online.

Here's what happens when a truther's mom takes his internet access away

YersIyzsOpc

Rage against the machine.

ETA: I'm sure that this kid is just faking a fit for the lulz, but ah, to be young in this technological age...

[Mel Odious]

The largest non-nuke missile in the world has a warhead of about 1,000-2,000 pounds of high explosive. That's about 1% of the energy of a 757 and then there is the thousands of pounds of gas that the plane brought to the party.


BigAl, are you talking about the plane's kinetic energy? For a hundred ton plane hitting the Pentagon at 450 mph (200 meters per second), I get a kinetic energy figure of 2 gigajoules. That's equivalent to about 1,000 pounds of TNT, taking TNT to = about 4.2 megajoules per kilogram.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the highlighted part of your post?

[BigAl]

BigAl, are you talking about the plane's kinetic energy? For a hundred ton plane hitting the Pentagon at 450 mph (200 meters per second), I get a kinetic energy figure of 2 gigajoules. That's equivalent to about 1,000 pounds of TNT, taking TNT to = about 4.2 megajoules per kilogram.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the highlighted part of your post?

You are of course right. That's what hapens when I work from [my] memory.

[jhunter1163]

Absolutely disgusting. I can't even comprehend what sort of mind would come up wth something so revolting.

It's funny, in a grotesque, sickening way

This applies to both the no-passengers theory and Bobert's avatar.

Someone said upthread that they wouldn't mind beating the crap out of a no-planer. If you ever find one, I'll hold him for you.

[Macgyver1968]

Absolutely disgusting. I can't even comprehend what sort of mind would come up wth something so revolting.


I can...it's easy when you've been off your meds for a week.

[Justin39640]

BigAl, are you talking about the plane's kinetic energy? For a hundred ton plane hitting the Pentagon at 450 mph (200 meters per second), I get a kinetic energy figure of 2 gigajoules. That's equivalent to about 1,000 pounds of TNT, taking TNT to = about 4.2 megajoules per kilogram.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the highlighted part of your post?

ahh see i thought it would be closer like that
now what i was asking
the kinetic energy of the plane was transferred almost entirely to the building
correct?
but what would be the difference if a missile with a 1k to 2k lb warhead detonated on the exterior of the building if any? (seeing that fuel igniting and actual munitions explode at different speeds)
idk cause a missile would be moving fast on a trajectory would the explosive power be more damaging one way than another and would those effects be further reaching? including ejecta? (there was objects ejected from the crash as one guy recalled seeing an oxygen bottle fly across his explorer and being pelted by debris)

this is just for my own thoughts and stuff im not sure about, i figure id ask the smartest people i know :)
the wall was about 330 feet from the closest lane of the highway
like i said before i dont think id want to be that close to military munitions going off but im not sure

[Comsat Angel]

Tomahawk Cruise Missile: 5.56 metres long
0.52 metres diameter
2.67 metres wingspan

Boeing 757: 47.32 metres long
3.54 metres diameter
38 metre wingspan

Crudely put, seeing a TCM in flight would be like seeing a flying torpedo. Seeing a 757 in flight would be like seeing a flying passenger jet. None of this convinces the Twoofers who parrot their claims about "no passengers", "no plane", etc. etc.

[TruthersLie]

I particularly love that bit of twoofer idiocy.

There was NO plane at the pentagon and shanksville because there is NO video showing it clearly.

Yet there is NO video showing ANY CD blasts, or with audible CD charges going off, but they accept the eyewitnesses and say there were.

of course they then use those eyewitnesses, but ignore the eyewitnesses at the pentagon and shanksville...

Why don't their heads explode?

[jhunter1163]

the wall was about 330 feet from the closest lane of the highway

like i said before i dont think id want to be that close to military munitions going off but im not sure

I'm sure. I most definitely wouldn't want to be within 100 meters of a Tomahawk going off.

[Justin39640]

Tomahawk Cruise Missile: 5.56 metres long
0.52 metres diameter
2.67 metres wingspan

Boeing 757: 47.32 metres long
3.54 metres diameter
38 metre wingspan

Crudely put, seeing a TCM in flight would be like seeing a flying torpedo. Seeing a 757 in flight would be like seeing a flying passenger jet. None of this convinces the Twoofers who parrot their claims about "no passengers", "no plane", etc. etc.

no one could ever mistake a tomahawk for a 757
not even quincy magoo

I particularly love that bit of twoofer idiocy.

There was NO plane at the pentagon and shanksville because there is NO video showing it clearly.

Yet there is NO video showing ANY CD blasts, or with audible CD charges going off, but they accept the eyewitnesses and say there were.

of course they then use those eyewitnesses, but ignore the eyewitnesses at the pentagon and shanksville...

Why don't their heads explode?

actually they take them out of context and ignore anything else the same eyewitness says

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Absolutely disgusting. I can't even comprehend what sort of mind would come up wth something so revolting.


I think the saddest part is that they don't see themselves that way. To them, the disgusting people are the alleged perpetrators who "originally" came up with and carried out this sick fantasy. People like SPreston are simply patting themselves on the back for having "figured it out".

[16.5]

I think the saddest part is that they don't see themselves that way. To them, the disgusting people are the alleged perpetrators who "originally" came up with and carried out this sick fantasy. People like SPreston are simply patting themselves on the back for having "figured it out".

Well dedicated No Planer SPreston can't even keep his story straight in the same No Planer thread he started in the first place:

His opening post:

"supposedly flying with passengers and crew on board when they supposedly hit their targets.

But perhaps a duhbunker and his family are not close with other family members or friends, and perhaps he would not have shown up at LAX or SFO seeking answers. Most people would have shown up at LAX or SFO if they could have and if they actually existed as real persons."


The very next page:

"For some strange reason, the Navy did not want Charles Burlingame buried at Arlington, the family complained loudly, and now his daughter Wendy has died in a mysterious fire."

Now hold on just a minute SP, I thought you said that the passengers and crew had no families??

God, he is such a *********** moron