How to Argue with a Creationist.

[Marius vanderLubbe]

In the interests of tidying up the Skeptoid comments section, perhaps
Mr. Joe Boudreault, Ontario, Canada, might like to address his concerns here.

[kedo1981]

Here is an idea, instead of telling them the science stuff come up with a totally batshat crazy ( crazier than creationism) and act like you believe it, then challenge them to disprove it.

[Marius vanderLubbe]

Well, I personally believe that unicorns dug the Grand Canyon, but the creationist camp seem to think this absurd for some reason. (something about a flood?)
They seem to be reluctant to disprove me, so that means that I am right, and they are going to unicorn hell.

[themusicteacher]

Well, I personally believe that unicorns dug the Grand Canyon, but the creationist camp seem to think this absurd for some reason. (something about a flood?)
They seem to be reluctant to disprove me, so that means that I am right, and they are going to unicorn hell.

Check and mate.

[AdinDraco]

In the interests of tidying up the Skeptoid comments section, perhaps
Mr. Joe Boudreault, Ontario, Canada, might like to address his concerns here.

Hey Marius! It's great to see you here. I hope Joe shows up - you and a couple of the others always answered him with better and more detailed rebuttals then I could come up (I'm Adrian, Brisbane, Australia). Don't forget, I sprung him on another episode doing the whole AIDs denial thing so trying to argue science with him may be head-meet-wall territory.

Besides, my transcendental, universe-creating fairies say that you're both wrong.

[MikeSun5]

I think this is a great idea:

...come up with a totally batshat crazy ( crazier than creationism) and act like you believe it, then challenge them to disprove it.


You could then refer them to the Flat Earth Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society). Ask the Creationist why they'd believe science when it says the earth is round, but won't believe science in regards to evolution and the like.

[andycal]

Here is an idea, instead of telling them the science stuff come up with a totally batshat crazy ( crazier than creationism) and act like you believe it, then challenge them to disprove it.

Isn't that the whole point behind the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[kedo1981]

SPAGHETTI !!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY LORD IS LASAGNA.
"See what I mean"

[Monketey Ghost]

"Our saucer which art in a colander,
Draining be Your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy meatballness be done on earth, as it is meaty in heaven.

Give us this day our daily sauce, and forgive us our lack of piracy, as we pirate and smuggle against those who lack piracy with us.

And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us from non-red meat sauce. For thine is the colander, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R'Amen. "

[Marius vanderLubbe]

Hey Marius! It's great to see you here. I hope Joe shows up - you and a couple of the others always answered him with better and more detailed rebuttals then I could come up (I'm Adrian, Brisbane, Australia). Don't forget, I sprung him on another episode doing the whole AIDs denial thing so trying to argue science with him may be head-meet-wall territory.

Besides, my transcendental, universe-creating fairies say that you're both wrong.

Thanks Adrian.
My guess is that Joe is all mouth and no trousers, and we wont be seeing him here any time soon.
It would be nice to see him show some backbone though, and do what he himself has suggested more than once.

[AdinDraco]

I see he's picked and running with that Brown thing in the Revisionist Darwinism episode comments. It looks like he's been here recently, but seems to be limiting his reponses to the skeptoid site. Still only the one post rebutted by Brian himself. Come on Joe, you do have similarly minded peers here...they have their own threads that they're preaching on but still...

The fairies say "Hi".

[andycal]

"Our saucer which art in a colander,
Draining be Your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy meatballness be done on earth, as it is meaty in heaven.

Give us this day our daily sauce, and forgive us our lack of piracy, as we pirate and smuggle against those who lack piracy with us.

And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us from non-red meat sauce. For thine is the colander, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R'Amen. "

I've just weed myself a little bit.

[BobTheDonkey]

Hey guys.

This is John from NY.

I'm really interested in hearing Joe explain more in depth how Morton's calculations are wrong. Being told that they're wrong because he says so and because Brown is, quite literally, God's gift to Creationism doesn't exactly portend well.

So much for a scientific rebuttal...

[Marius vanderLubbe]

I am starting to feel a little sorry for Joe. He is in waaay deep.
He states;
Conventional geology can neither explain earth history nor origins nor predict future geological events. All ‘conventional’ geology (ie peer-received, not professional) does is give the much-laughed-at theories of evolution a veneer of scientific respectability, and to attempt to prop up the flailing atheist camp.
What are we to make of such statements?
Methinks he is beyond reach.

Let us compare this with one of Clay Well's earlier points.
All it is, is an attempt by the creationist camp to give their outdated, irrelevant biblical flood a veneer of scientific sounding respectability.
All it achieves is to make the creationist cause seem very desperate.
Is this is the best that they can come up with?

Very original, Joe.
How does your favourate debating tool go again?

"I know you are, but what am I?"

[AdinDraco]

Hi John! On the Brown thing...I've been perusing the photos and blog posts etc about the big PZ Myers (+ horde) visit to the creation museum and I'm keeping an eye out for it. Most of the emphasis however seems to be on the dinosaurs - there seems to be a lot of them and the premise is indeed laughable.

I'm beginning to understand why I wouldn't come here if I was Joe. He seems to have settled in to a back-and-forth with you guys but here.... I've been checking in on some of the 9/11 and religion threads and if you pull out the crazy, or just plain unevidenced assertions, you get slammed by twenty people who have been arguing these points every day...for months...with fifty other people.

[Robert Oz]

Here is an idea, instead of telling them the science stuff come up with a totally batshat crazy ( crazier than creationism) and act like you believe it, then challenge them to disprove it.


The universe was created by The Great Deidre, a time-travelling, genetically engineered chimpanzee from the future, sent back to the beginning of time to create the universe out of the peeled skin of a plantain.

After dying from exhaustion at the creation, The Great Deidre still shows us she cares by appearing to us in nature:


http://johnsilva.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/monkey-tree-jurong-west-the-new-paper-sep-07.jpg


Praise the Chimp. Hosanna in the banana.

[Marius vanderLubbe]

Hi John! On the Brown thing...I've been perusing the photos and blog posts etc about the big PZ Myers (+ horde) visit to the creation museum and I'm keeping an eye out for it. Most of the emphasis however seems to be on the dinosaurs - there seems to be a lot of them and the premise is indeed laughable.

I'm beginning to understand why I wouldn't come here if I was Joe. He seems to have settled in to a back-and-forth with you guys but here.... I've been checking in on some of the 9/11 and religion threads and if you pull out the crazy, or just plain unevidenced assertions, you get slammed by twenty people who have been arguing these points every day...for months...with fifty other people.

I understand that arguing with these people is basically futile, but this one has repeatedly suggested continuing the debate here to many on the skeptoid site.
I know that feeding the troll is never a good idea. I should curb my urge. He as done a stirling job of making himself look a tit.

No doubt he is checking in here from time to time.

I anticipate the present thread at Skeptoid will be closed for comment any time now.

[AdinDraco]

Hi John! On the Brown thing...I've been perusing the photos and blog posts etc about the big PZ Myers (+ horde) visit to the creation museum and I'm keeping an eye out for it. Most of the emphasis however seems to be on the dinosaurs - there seems to be a lot of them and the premise is indeed laughable.



I went straight from posting this to Pharyngula and saw pictures of floating islands and stories about how mankind redistributed from the central point (of the ark) and about all the rafts made up of the millions of dead trees floating around in the receding flood waters. I'll give that to them - they don't disappoint when you're in the mood for quick cup-of-crazy to go.

[BobTheDonkey]

What amazes me is that Joe (and a lot of the other guys/girls on this site) actually believe they are truly skeptical - only the target of their skepticism is evolution (et al) and they use "science" to back it up and then dodge when science proves them wrong and puts a hole in their own belief systems.

[Marius vanderLubbe]

Well, Joe is at least visiting the JREF .
Have a look at my public profile.
He has left me a nice "articulated" message.
http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=19935

So Joe, the next step is to continue the debate here.

[Marius vanderLubbe]

What amazes me is that Joe (and a lot of the other guys/girls on this site) actually believe they are truly skeptical - only the target of their skepticism is evolution (et al) and they use "science" to back it up and then dodge when science proves them wrong and puts a hole in their own belief systems.
That is true for many of the "truth" type organization a well.

[eccles]

Well, I personally believe that unicorns dug the Grand Canyon, but the creationist camp seem to think this absurd for some reason. (something about a flood?)
They seem to be reluctant to disprove me, so that means that I am right, and they are going to unicorn hell.

Everyone knows that a Scotsman dropped a dime down a rabbit burrow and started digging, and dug- and dug --- and dug -------- and dug ------:D



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[Tumbleweed]

Aw come on why bother. Frankly the whole issue is passe to me. Kind of like abortion, every argument that could possibly be made has been heard by now. There is nothing new to titalate my logic nor can there ever possibly be. You've heard the arguments so as long as the Jehovah witnesses don't try to kidnap you or force their way in and you don't shoot them for trespassing, everything is cool! Time to move on to other stuff and let you guys preach to the choir

[cwalner]

Everyone knows that a Scotsman dropped a dime down a rabbit burrow and started digging, and dug- and dug --- and dug -------- and dug ------:D



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Hey!! Everybody knows it was a Jew, a nickle and a gopher hole!! I will allow none of this Scottish-Coney-Dime Heresy here!!

[Fnord]

Well, I personally believe that unicorns dug the Grand Canyon, but the creationist camp seem to think this absurd for some reason. (something about a flood?)
They seem to be reluctant to disprove me, so that means that I am right, and they are going to unicorn hell.
According to the Irish Rovers (http://www.irish-song-lyrics.com/The_Unicorn_Song.shtml), your "belief" has merit. They must have dug the Grand Canyon before they all perished in Noah's flood.

"And the waters came down and sort of floated them away.
That's why you never see a unicorn to this very day!"

;)

[Marius vanderLubbe]

Aw come on why bother. Frankly the whole issue is passe to me. Kind of like abortion, every argument that could possibly be made has been heard by now. There is nothing new to titalate my logic nor can there ever possibly be. You've heard the arguments so as long as the Jehovah witnesses don't try to kidnap you or force their way in and you don't shoot them for trespassing, everything is cool! Time to move on to other stuff and let you guys preach to the choir
Trying to have this sort of wanton stupidity inflicted on children under the guise of education certainly is not cool, tumble weed.
If it's titillation you are looking for, I suggest you type it into google,. Should keep you amused for hours.

[Marduk]

Everyone knows that a Scotsman dropped a dime down a rabbit burrow and started digging, and dug- and dug --- and dug -------- and dug ------:D



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I heard that the grand canyon is the planets arse, this would mean that Naturalistic Pantheists are right
:D