Korey Rowe on the Taliban

[Scott Sommers]

Does anyone know where I can get the video of Korey Rowe where he praises the Taliban? The link listed on ScrewLC doesn't work anymore http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/kore-rowe-meet-cindy-sheehan.html

[JoeyDonuts]

Korey Rowe is living proof that military service and good judgement don't always necessarily go hand in hand.

[cyclonic]

Does anyone know where I can get the video of Korey Rowe where he praises the Taliban? The link listed on ScrewLC doesn't work anymore http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/kore-rowe-meet-cindy-sheehan.html

Thats in '9/11 DENIERS SPEAK' by Mark Iradian, an excellent video.

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&hl=en

[dudalb]

Korey Rowe is living proof that military service and good judgement don't always necessarily go hand in hand.

He is also proof that the US Army needs to tighten up it's screening process for recruits.

[Sabrina]

Hasn't Korey been dishonorably discharged by now?

[Unsecured Coins]

Hasn't Korey been dishonorably discharged by now?

According to him, and the 214 he posted, he was given an honorable discharge, "proof" that they let him out when he was supposed to be simply because there was no "time lost" posted on his release from active duty.

Those who are given Honorable discharges after completion of their first terms of service are not given re-enlistment codes of "3" nor is their reason for discharge "involuntarily seperated".

[Justin39640]

Hasn't Korey been dishonorably discharged by now?

i thought he went AWOL?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/250707rowearrested.htm

another fav of mine that both him and bermas get into it with opie and anthony
(and of course lil jimmy norton)
one of them told a cop who said they watched it lean all day
"no, im sorry sir, youre wrong"
http://www.911blogger.com/node/1345
the link to the mp3 is there (definitely NSFW/ rough language being on XM)
which led to them being ambushed by a "we are change" truth squad who were angry at the boys for saying korey has a "mommy complex" lol
(also the source of TAM's "angry young man" comment in his sig)

part 1 of 3 of the ambushing starring (IIRC his name) Louis b
NSFW
3MSIkH2e28c

[Scott Sommers]

cyclonic, thanks for the link.

Watching it is disgusting. There are points that made me feel sick. Do these guys really believe this stuff? If they really did believe that people who hold regular jobs are psychopaths who knowingly kill their own children, why would they hesitate to contact them?

In an earlier post, I pointed out that living overseas, I had completely missed this whole 911 conspiracy stuff. I have some time off now and thought I'd look at it. I had no idea what it would become. It is really revolting. These are sick people.

[ImANiceGuy]

There are some pretty crazy people out there with some pretty crazy ideas. It's sick to think that the administration in question would attack their own people; I personally think it's preposterous!

But if they knew the attacks were coming, would they let them occur as an instigating event to further their geopolitical agendas? Well if that had any chance of being true, the first thing we should see is that they systematically ignored lots of warnings. Before we move on to anything other than that, check out this link:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_time line_key_warnings

[Sabrina]

There are some pretty crazy people out there with some pretty crazy ideas. It's sick to think that the administration in question would attack their own people; I personally think it's preposterous!

But if they knew the attacks were coming, would they let them occur as an instigating event to further their geopolitical agendas? Well if that had any chance of being true, the first thing we should see is that they systematically ignored lots of warnings. Before we move on to anything other than that, check out this link:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_time line_key_warnings

That site's been proven to have a decidedly conspiratorial slant; in other words, the events are painted to appear more sinister than they really are. Did you have a point to make with posting that site, or are you JAQing off? Not attacking; just curious to know the reason you posted that website, considering I started a thread about it about two weeks ago asking for opinions and found most agreed with me that it wasn't as factual as it was made out to be.

[JoeyDonuts]

I'm surprised he didn't "pee out." Popping positive for stupidity.

[Unsecured Coins]

I'm surprised he didn't "pee out." Popping positive for stupidity.

sadly the only test the military currently has for that is just the ASVAB.

[Scott Sommers]

Everytime I make a remark here, suddenly there's a pack of conspiracy theorists circling around me like a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses on a Saturday afternoon. Go away. You are retards. You are the sick people I was referring to. I don't need your links. I don't want to see them.

What is it with theese guys? They can't convince scientists. They can't get enough names on a petition. As soon Bush is out of the WH, no one cares about 911 anymore. Why are they stalking me?

Just go away. I thought I had made it clear that I think Rowe should be in Levenworth and if you let me have 3 rounds with Avery, you won't recognize him anymore.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Everytime I make a remark here, suddenly there's a pack of conspiracy theorists circling around me like a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses on a Saturday afternoon. Go away. You are retards. You are the sick people I was referring to. I don't need your links. I don't want to see them.

What is it with theese guys? They can't convince scientists. They can't get enough names on a petition. As soon Bush is out of the WH, no one cares about 911 anymore. Why are they stalking me?

Just go away. I thought I had made it clear that I think Rowe should be in Levenworth and if you let me have 3 rounds with Avery, you won't recognize him anymore.

Damn straight. :D

[ImANiceGuy]

Well, Scott.in.taiwan, it seems as though we have reached an impasse. I'll ignore your insults, and simply say, respectfully, that it does not take a scientist to figure this out.

I present to you a source demonstrating that it is quite possible the OBL AQ threat was real and well known of;that the possibility exists American gov't was aware of a potential plot.

If you fail to acknowledge this fact, there's no help for you, your life is doomed; Ask yourself please; is it possible a cover-up took place within the Bush administration after 9/11, and that the outrageous conspiracy theories surrounding the events help to shroud the true facts? It seems as though this is the most accurate description of the days events, to whatever depth you believe the rabbit hole goes. At the very least, they did a good job of covering up the systematic failures across the intelligence agencies. At its worst(or deepest, for those Caroll fans or anyone on acid), mininuclear weapons were used in an Illuminati plot.

Take a deep breath..........wooooosaaaaaa

[Scott Sommers]

Quote tag edited to remove breach of Rule 12 contentWell, Scott.in.taiwan, it seems as though we have reached an impasse. I'll ignore your insults, and simply say, respectfully, that it does not take a scientist to figure this out.

I present to you a source demonstrating that it is quite possible the OBL AQ threat was real and well known of;that the possibility exists American gov't was aware of a potential plot.

If you fail to acknowledge this fact, there's no help for you, your life is doomed; Ask yourself please; is it possible a cover-up took place within the Bush administration after 9/11, and that the outrageous conspiracy theories surrounding the events help to shroud the true facts? It seems as though this is the most accurate description of the days events, to whatever depth you believe the rabbit hole goes. At the very least, they did a good job of covering up the systematic failures across the intelligence agencies. At its worst(or deepest, for those Caroll fans or anyone on acid), mininuclear weapons were used in an Illuminati plot.

Take a deep breath..........wooooosaaaaaa

Don't worry. It was intended to be taken personally and you should take it that way. Just get lost OK.

But seriously, to the people who have real opinions, do you think these guys really believe there's a conspiracy of NY firefighters, structural engineers, demolition experts, and the families of people on those planes?

In fact, if any dickhead conspiracy theorists want to waste my time reading their delusions, they can answer this question. On second thought, we're just going to get the LC rhetoric that it's just a few bad apples at the top, when it's clearly got to be millions of people and Avery and his gang have said as much. So just forget it. I don't want to know your retarded opinion on this.

If you're going to wastes my life reading your delusions, tell me the names of people who would have had to be in on the inside job. I mean names. And lets forget Silverstein. Give me names I don`t know yet - like police officier Jon Alpert in this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4094539209684370800
who knew WTC 7 was coming down.

Come on...be brave. Give me names or shut up.

Please do not change member names...it is generally considered uncivil/unpolite and does nothing to advance your point of view. Please re-read your Membership Agreement - these are the terms you agreed to when becoming a member here.

[~enigma~]

Give me names or shut up.
If they dont have to be real NYCCAN can give you some...

[Scott Sommers]

If they dont have to be real NYCCAN can give you some...`

No way. They have to be real, and I want to see a source. You can`t just name anonymous fire fighters. So give me a video or something of someone who `knew about the WTC demolition`before it happened`, like Officier Alpert who knew about the collapse before it happened and didn`t think there was anything strange about it. Or better yet, tell me the names of family members of victims that you think must know what`s really going on.

Have some balls, name some name. Dylan has and that`s why no one likes him. He`s willing to make those hard choices to keep his job. In fact, tell me your real name and address, as well as the firefighters, police, and victim`s family members that you think must know what`s really going on.

Anything short of that or just shut up and leave me alone to talk with people who aren`t idiots.

[~enigma~]

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No way. They have to be real, and I want to see a source. You can`t just name anonymous fire fighters. So give me a video or something of someone who `knew about the WTC demolition`before it happened`, like Officier Alpert who knew about the collapse before it happened and didn`t think there was anything strange about it. Or better yet, tell me the names of family members of victims that you think must know what`s really going on.

Have some balls, name some name. Dylan has and that`s why no one likes him. He`s willing to make those hard choices to keep his job. In fact, tell me your real name and address, as well as the firefighters, police, and victim`s family members that you think must know what`s really going on.

Anything short of that or just shut up and leave me alone to talk with people who aren`t idiots.huh? Check out my past posts before you make yourself look dumber for thinking i'm a truther.

[Scott Sommers]

What? Weren`t you that guy who said this to me before? You guys gotta chill out a little bit here. Not everyone wants a fight. Like I wouldn`t know you`re not a truther?

Here, I`ll apologize for whatever I said that made you think I was calling you a truther. I know you`re not and I knew you weren`t when I posted my post. Come on, let`s all be friends here.

I came to this site to get some very particular questions answered. But I guess because my name is new, everywhere I go, these idiots follow me like a pack of Mormons trying to show me that one piece of evidence I`ve missed that will turn me to their way. To be honest, I hadn`t expected this at all. Call me naive; I can take it. But I hate these guys like I hate skinhead racists or members of organized crime gangs. They just revolt me.

And if in my revultion of these scum I called you a truther, I am sorry. I hope that`s enough for you and now, we can, as I had always hoped, be friend.

[Dave Rogers]

I present to you a source demonstrating that it is quite possible the OBL AQ threat was real and well known of;

It's more than quite possible. It's absolutely certain that the Bush administration was aware prior to 9/11 that al-Qaeda, under the leadership of Osama bin Laden, presented a threat of attack on American targets.

that the possibility exists American gov't was aware of a potential plot.

Again, more than possible; certain. The system was blinking red throughout August, remember? There's no evidence of any knowledge what, where or when, those trifling little details that would be needed to actually prevent an attack, but it's clear that intelligence warnings suggested that something would happen.

Ask yourself please; is it possible a cover-up took place within the Bush administration after 9/11,

Yes, it's possible. It's also possible that George W. Bush is a closet transvestite. Possibilities without evidence are worthless.

and that the outrageous conspiracy theories surrounding the events help to shroud the true facts?

It's possible, but it's more likely that the conspiracy theories arise from a desire to explain every detail of the event as intentional rather than coincidental (or simply incidental), and the resulting inescapable conclusions result in a plurality of inconsistent theories.

It seems as though this is the most accurate description of the days events, to whatever depth you believe the rabbit hole goes.

No. Sorry. It doesn't seem accurate to anyone but a conspiracy theorist.

What you've done is taken some known facts, pretended they're being denied, linked them to some completely unfounded speculation simply by placing them together, then tried to suggest that acceptance of the known facts gives evidence for the truth of the speculation. The missing link, though, is the complete absence of evidence that the Bush administration posessed sufficient actionable intelligence, of sufficiently reliable quality, to be confident what was planned, where, and when. Without that, there's no basis for any allegation that the government could have prevented the attacks, but chose not to.

At the very least, they did a good job of covering up the systematic failures across the intelligence agencies.

No, again. They tried to resist any investigation along these lines, but eventually caved in and allowed the 9/11 Commission to expose the systemic failures in detail. There's clear grounds for suspicion that the Bush administration wanted to cover up their mistakes and failures - gosh, how unusual for a government to want to do that - but no reason to suspect anything more, again.

At its worst(or deepest, for those Caroll fans or anyone on acid), mininuclear weapons were used in an Illuminati plot.

LIHOP has the sole advantage of being less ridiculous. That's not the same as being not ridiculous.

Dave

[BigAl]

Well, Scott.in.taiwan, it seems as though we have reached an impasse. I'll ignore your insults, and simply say, respectfully, that it does not take a scientist to figure this out.

I present to you a source demonstrating that it is quite possible the OBL AQ threat was real and well known of;that the possibility exists American gov't was aware of a potential plot.


Absolutly. The fact that ObL had been attacking US interests and killing Americans for a decade prior to 9/11/2001 would be a clue. There were plenty of clues that another attack was coming. That doesn't mean that our administration knew how or when the next attack was to come from or that they had anything to do with it.

[ImANiceGuy]

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No way. They have to be real, and I want to see a source. You can`t just name anonymous fire fighters. So give me a video or something of someone who `knew about the WTC demolition`before it happened`, like Officier Alpert who knew about the collapse before it happened and didn`t think there was anything strange about it. Or better yet, tell me the names of family members of victims that you think must know what`s really going on.

Have some balls, name some name. Dylan has and that`s why no one likes him. He`s willing to make those hard choices to keep his job. In fact, tell me your real name and address, as well as the firefighters, police, and victim`s family members that you think must know what`s really going on.

Anything short of that or just shut up and leave me alone to talk with people who aren`t idiots.

Sometimes its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

At no point in my comments to you did I suggest firefighters, police, demolitions, wtc7, etc.

The whole world is not black and white son, you have a lot of learning to do.

[Scott Sommers]

Maybe you have trouble reading. Let me clarify what I said. It doesn't matter what your comment said, there is no 911 conspiracy without firefighters and victims who knew. Have the balls to name them. There's so much video footage of the events, it's easy to identify people talking about the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened. If Jane Standley knew about the collapse because she broadcast about it before it happened, then so did Jon Alpert. Now of course I think this is retarded, but you..? So have some balls and stop wasting my life. Name some names.

[TexasJack]

The whole world is not black and white son, you have a lot of learning to do.

Unfortunately for you and your fellow truthers, the world is a bloody turd...I guess that would make it red and brown.

[Ragnarok]

Maybe you have trouble reading. Let me clarify what I said. It doesn't matter what your comment said, there is no 911 conspiracy without firefighters and victims who knew. Have the balls to name them. There's so much video footage of the events, it's easy to identify people talking about the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened. If Jane Standley knew about the collapse because she broadcast about it before it happened, then so did Jon Alpert. Now of course I think this is retarded, but you..? So have some balls and stop wasting my life. Name some names.

Why are the firefighters testimonies so important? How many of them were physics or demolition experts? The only reason firefighters weren't going in WTC 7 is because they had just seen 2 bigger buildings fall down against most of their expectations.

[beachnut]

Sometimes its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

At no point in my comments to you did I suggest firefighters, police, demolitions, wtc7, etc.

The whole world is not black and white son, you have a lot of learning to do.
You have no evidence; you are wasting his time because of your shallow research (as in no research). You love hearsay and lies and avoid reality. Then you lie and say you have proof again after you were told you failed; that is; you will not be earning the Pulitzer Prize for spreading delusions.

Here is how it works; you do research and say something like the president is involved in a cover up! Then you lay out the evidence! Not hearsay, not opinions, not delusions, the real verified evidence that actually is tied to your conclusion of a cover up. RESULTS with real evidence, NIXON resigns, and you earn a Pulitzer Prize. Simple stuff but since you use lies, hearsay and fantasy it is a dream that will not come true for you on 911. That is called failure.

What is your story on the OP? Korey Rowe praising the Taliban is great and you support the lies of Korey Rowe and the delusions of LC? The only thing you lack to make your delusion true is evidence.

[Dave Rogers]

Why are the firefighters testimonies so important?

Well, whenever they say anything that can be quote-mined or spun to suggest an inside job, suddenly they're incontravertible evidence because firefighters are experts in identifying bombs (even if they didn't say there were bombs). When they don't suggest an inside job, suddenly they don't seem so important.

How many of them were physics or demolition experts?

As far as demolition is concerned, they probably know one heck of a lot. Their lives depend on when and whether a building is likely to fall down; that's quite an incentive to pick up a working knowledge.

The only reason firefighters weren't going in WTC 7 is because they had just seen 2 bigger buildings fall down against most of their expectations.

As we know, firefighters reported visible structural deformations and groaning noises from the structure of WTC7, and were well aware of completely unfought fires on multiple floors. What's your evidence that they ignored all these factors and only considered the Twin Towers collapses in making their decision to stay out of WTC7?

Dave

[ImANiceGuy]

Well very interesting and typical comments.

Scott, your comment about there not being a conspiracy without FDNY conspirators is false; but I'm not surprised you are given a pass by the jref vets....I've pointed out this double standard before. I think you're probably born in the 90's. Good luck in your future endeavors.

I'm labelled a Truther and told what it is I believe, even when I explicitly stated I did not mention controlled demolitions. You guys remind me of conservative sexuality theory. ie. gay or straight, one or the other; you say you're bisexual....nope, you're gay. The reality of the example is that there exists a spectrum of human sexuality, not limited to one classification or another. (treat this example as such, and refrain from homophobic references; although I'm sure you must think I'm gay now)

I entered this thread by agreeing with Scott that the idea of the American Government attacking and killing its own people is preposterous. If you must know, my personal belief is that based on the tremendous amount of warnings and intel received by the US Gov't prior to 9/11, not enough was done by any branch in order to organize and mobilize against the terrorists organizations.

I merely posted a link to the US Commons website that has links to all prior published knowledge of terrorist activity prior to 911. What is so hard to understand about that?

Beachnut - My opinion regarding the OP is that LC, Rowe, et al. are so wrapped trying to prove outlandish conspiracy theories, that they ignore the real crime. They do the conspirators a service and their "movement" a disservice. I'm being civil with you in my response, will you give me the same respect?

Let me touch briefly on the definition of the word conspiracy; two or more people keeping a common secret qualifies as a conspiracy. You don't need nano-anything.

[R.Mackey]

Why are the firefighters testimonies so important? How many of them were physics or demolition experts? The only reason firefighters weren't going in WTC 7 is because they had just seen 2 bigger buildings fall down against most of their expectations.

False. Firefighters were still going into WTC 7 well after both WTC 1 and 2 came down. They weren't finally ordered away from it until approximately 12:30 local time, and that decision was made on the basis of the condition of the structure -- and the realization that they couldn't possibly save it.

Firefighters have known for decades that any burning structure is a collapse risk. Don't be stupid.

[~enigma~]

Don't be stupid.
You are talking to a truther, you know better.

[TruthersLie]

Why are the firefighters testimonies so important? How many of them were physics or demolition experts? The only reason firefighters weren't going in WTC 7 is because they had just seen 2 bigger buildings fall down against most of their expectations.

OH goody.

so then all the oral histories you twoofs LOVE to datamine to support the "explosions" (which aren't about CD explosions) mean nothing too right?

So then you can produce video evidence to support the stupid insane CD theories for the towers right?

[Scott Sommers]

Well very interesting and typical comments.

Scott, your comment about there not being a conspiracy without FDNY conspirators is false; but I'm not surprised you are given a pass by the jref vets....I've pointed out this double standard before. I think you're probably born in the 90's. Good luck in your future endeavors.

I'm labelled a Truther and told what it is I believe, even when I explicitly stated I did not mention controlled demolitions. You guys remind me of conservative sexuality theory. ie. gay or straight, one or the other; you say you're bisexual....nope, you're gay. The reality of the example is that there exists a spectrum of human sexuality, not limited to one classification or another. (treat this example as such, and refrain from homophobic references; although I'm sure you must think I'm gay now)

I entered this thread by agreeing with Scott that the idea of the American Government attacking and killing its own people is preposterous. If you must know, my personal belief is that based on the tremendous amount of warnings and intel received by the US Gov't prior to 9/11, not enough was done by any branch in order to organize and mobilize against the terrorists organizations.

I merely posted a link to the US Commons website that has links to all prior published knowledge of terrorist activity prior to 911. What is so hard to understand about that?

Beachnut - My opinion regarding the OP is that LC, Rowe, et al. are so wrapped trying to prove outlandish conspiracy theories, that they ignore the real crime. They do the conspirators a service and their "movement" a disservice. I'm being civil with you in my response, will you give me the same respect?

Let me touch briefly on the definition of the word conspiracy; two or more people keeping a common secret qualifies as a conspiracy. You don't need nano-anything.

What a liberal guy you are. That must make you well-educated and knowledable about so many things.

Obviously you have not watched the video link at the top. It is abudantly clear to many members of the TM that large numbers of others, including firefighers, structural engineers, and victims had to have been involved. Watch the video.

Don`t you think that people who comment on videos they have never seen are morons? Are you a moron? So go watch the video before you shoot your mouth again.

[beachnut]

...
Beachnut - My opinion regarding the OP is that LC, Rowe, et al. are so wrapped trying to prove outlandish conspiracy theories, that they ignore the real crime. They do the conspirators a service and their "movement" a disservice. I'm being civil with you in my response, will you give me the same respect?

Let me touch briefly on the definition of the word conspiracy; two or more people keeping a common secret qualifies as a conspiracy. You don't need nano-anything.
Your ideas on 911 are as outlandish as LC and Rowe. You fail to realize it. You have the same amount of evidence as Rowe; zero; the reason your ideas are outlandish poppycock.

[ImANiceGuy]

scott.in.taiwan, your ability to draw conclusions from thin air is unmatched(in this thread at least). Now I'm a liberal.....? I don't understand where you got that, nor do I understand why that would make me educated and knowledgeable, nor do I understand what info in my last post you used to draw these conclusions. However, I do notice some improvement in your posts; you've begun to use the semi-colon.

I have stated multiple times in this thread that the idea of the ruling administration conducting a false flag attack is crazy. I do not subscribe to Rowe's opinions, nor Avery's....and yes, I did watch most of the video. It simply reinforced my opinion that the true version of events is hidden within the conspiracy theories.

Apparently (according to beachnut), believing the Bush administration may have covered up their innapropriate actions, or lack thereof, after 911 is as outlandish as the idea that WTC7 was imploded by nano-thermite. Is there really no difference?

[Scott Sommers]

I don't care.

[Gravy]

There are some pretty crazy people out there with some pretty crazy ideas. It's sick to think that the administration in question would attack their own people; I personally think it's preposterous!

But if they knew the attacks were coming, would they let them occur as an instigating event to further their geopolitical agendas? Well if that had any chance of being true, the first thing we should see is that they systematically ignored lots of warnings. Before we move on to anything other than that, check out this link:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_time line_key_warnings

ImANiceGuy, what's this got to do with Korey Rowe's comments about the Taliban?

[ImANiceGuy]

I don't care.

I thought this was the prevailing attitude among Westerners in the South Pacific...

Thanks for the great chat, you are a master debater.

Now ignore the information and put your head back in the sand.

[ImANiceGuy]

Gravy, it had more to do with underlying issue of legitimate 9/11 questions being washed in with Rowes and Averys. and DRGs, Jones, etc...

I remember a thread here of the same title which ran many pages deep. Legitimate questions do exist, and should not be met with hostility by close-minded skeptics who have painted everyone with the same brush.

[beachnut]

...
Now ignore the information and put your head back in the sand.
You have no valid information on this thread; or do you? Your ideas are as bad as all the LC failed ideas. Start a thread and post your incredible information and bring all your evidence. Like Rowe, you will find you have nothing.

[Gravy]

Gravy, it had more to do with underlying issue of legitimate 9/11 questions being washed in with Rowes and Averys. and DRGs, Jones, etc...

I remember a thread here of the same title which ran many pages deep. Legitimate questions do exist, and should not be met with hostility by close-minded skeptics who have painted everyone with the same brush.Prominent 9/11 conspiracists have always been a subject of discussion here. You've chosen to "wash" your new topic in a thread about Korey Rowe, where your comments are unlikely to be seen after a day or two.

My suggestion: either join that thread you mentioned or start a new one, list the questions that you think are important, unanswered, and answerable, and put on ignore people who you don't think are replying civilly or rationally.

[T.A.M.]

Gravy, it had more to do with underlying issue of legitimate 9/11 questions being washed in with Rowes and Averys. and DRGs, Jones, etc...

I remember a thread here of the same title which ran many pages deep. Legitimate questions do exist, and should not be met with hostility by close-minded skeptics who have painted everyone with the same brush.

Yes I created that thread.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=143280

Have at it.

TAM:)

[Longfellow]

Everytime I make a remark here, suddenly there's a pack of conspiracy theorists circling around me like a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses on a Saturday afternoon. Go away. You are retards. You are the sick people I was referring to. I don't need your links. I don't want to see them.

What is it with theese guys? They can't convince scientists. They can't get enough names on a petition. As soon Bush is out of the WH, no one cares about 911 anymore. Why are they stalking me?

Emphasis mine: While I would never to pretend to know just what thoughts scurry through the dusty emptiness that make up the minds of most 'truthers', I think it is fairly clear from your first posts here that our resident tro -- erm -- ''truthers' do not believe you are who you say you are. And by that I mean they don't think that you are an objective, reasonable person who, upon being exposed to the 'movement' for the first time, thought to yourself (and I'm obviously paraphrasing -- if it's way off base let me know and I'll post a retraction and an apology) "what the **** is this ********? These people are ******* bat-guano insane to think this ****! They must be ******* nuts! (well, most of them seem to be but that's another thread)

I recall your first thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=149263). It didn't take long for JihadeJane (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4943343#post4943343) to say:
You are very welcome to the cult but I suggest you work on your story a bit more if you don't want to appear like yet another old-hat propagandist posing as a naive newbie.
And allege (hell, blatantly accuse would be more like) that you were posing as a rationalist (and, as ever, a rationalist is someone who sees the attacks of 11 September, 2001 for exactly what they were: 19 religious extremists hijacked 4 passenger jets with the intent to commit mass murder. They succeeded). It seems to me that our resident -- 'truthers' -- can't stand the fact that normal, every-day people can clearly see their 'movement' for what it is. . .absolute bullocks. You just can't be who you claim to be. You must be one of the resident JREF debunkers' sock-puppets created in an effort to swell the 'debunker' ranks. What the 'truthers' don't seem to realize is that JREF debunkers are the John Holmes of rationality. They don't need to pad anything.



Just go away. I thought I had made it clear that I think Rowe should be in Levenworth and if you let me have 3 rounds with Avery, you won't recognize him anymore.
I couldn't have said that better myself and I agree wholeheartedly.

Ignore is a very helpful feature in keeping the ol' blood pressure down. Believe me, I know.

[JoeyDonuts]

NPR had a very informative piece on the Taliban issues today. The journalist (name escapes me) doing the report seemed like he was in absolute awe of Gen. Patraeus' knowledge, restraint, and decisionmaking ability.

And, oh yeah...Korey Rowe is completely wrong.

[dudalb]

LIHOP has the sole advantage of being less ridiculous. That's not the same as being not ridiculous.

Dave

It says something about the mentality of the Truthers that the MIHOPPERS so outnumber the LIHOPPERS in the Truth movement. LIHOP Is crazy, but MIHOP Is Batcrap Crazy. But the trust the twoofers to always choose the most insane choice....

[TruthersLie]

Lihop is the only version of da twoof that is even remotely possible.

The funny part is that da twoof take even the basic remote possibility and twist it so it becomes the rube goldberg of consipracies.

Is it possible that senior members of the US government had an idea that a large scale terrorists attack was going to happen, and then didn't LEAD or give orders to head it off?

I guess it is possible... (but there is no proof of it), and then the twoof have to run with it... NIST is fake. FEMA is fake, blah blah blah.

There would be NO NEED to fake NIST, not if the LET it happen...

so it goes from slightly plausible to completely massive government consipracy...

[JoeyDonuts]

There's evidence AFAIK that senior USG officials knew that a large-scale terrorist attack was being planned.

There is no evidence that senior USG officials knew the targets, locations, scope, people involved, methods, time/date, or any sort of specificity that would have enabled an effective countermeasure in time to avert the attack.

The "breadcrumbs" that would have quite possibly unraveled the entire plot were held in different offices in distant parts of the world by agencies that at the time, did not make it a practice to communicate with one another.

However, to a 9/11 "LIHOP" mentality, this is implausible and just flat out unacceptable. In this case, it is no different than any other ludicrous conspiracy theory in that it would have required the government to be completely in accord, and conscience-less murderers. If sufficient intelligence existed, where are the (dozens if not hundreds) individuals from the different agencies involved in the collection/analysis/dissemination of this intelligence? It doesn't just get magically beamed to Rumsfeld's Sooper Seekrit laptop like some kind of Bond Movie. It passes through enlisted/officer/civilian hands many times, quite a few of whom analyze it for relevance.

The intel community is made up of people who believe very strongly that their job is to prevent things like 9/11. Could you honestly expect people to stay quiet if they'd busted a hump to develop a time-critical threat-warning scenario only to have their government do absolutely nothing to further their own political ends?

Now the 9/11 "LIHOP"-ist falls back on the uncanny ability of "THEM" to frighten anybody into keeping their mouth shut. Hundreds of angry and indignant intelligence pros who saw their work disregarded, now threatened into silence by...well, nobody's ever been able to agree on who would have done the threatening, but we'll go with Halliburton because implicating Cheney is an absolute must with these sorts of things.

How come none of them have come forward since the change of administration?

Now the 9/11 "LIHOP"-ist is forced to inflate the scenario yet again so that the perpetrators were not merely the Bush Administration, but some shadowy group so powerful they could get away with it after the transfer of power.

LIHOP also fails the Inflationary Limit of Conspiracy Theories test. On its surface it may "seem" to be more plausible, but it also requires unrealistic layers of complexity added onto it for it to remain viable.

LIHOP - also fail.