alienentity
13th August 2009, 01:06 PM
This interview came up on another thread. I thought it was worthy of further discussion, since the interviewer, Allan Rees, poses a large number of truther distortions and myths to Mr. Sunder, who responds in depth.
It was bill smith who first referenced the interview, and notably misquoted Dr. Sunder, saying 'Maybe I have audio of Shyam Sunder, leader of the NIST investigtion into the collapse of WTC7 saying that WTC7 resembled a controlled demolition.'
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993581#post4993581
It turns out that Dr. Sunder was referencing the suggestion that it had collapsed in a manner similar to a controlled demolition:
'Third, we wanted to look at hypothetical blast events because there was some suggestion - we had not seen any evidence of it - that the manner in which tower 7, building 7 seemed to collapse was similar in some features to a controlled demolition.'
Clearly Dr. Sunder refers to the suggestion, but distances himself from it. Assuming 'we' refers to the investigating persons from NIST, including Dr. Sunder, it must be stated that this was never Dr. Sunder's stated opinion.
The entire interview from Thursday aug 23, 2008 with
No Lies Radio host Allan Rees and Dr. Sunder is available here:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/Nist%20Dr%20Sunder%20Interview_080821_widmusic-web.mp3
I've edited the ad and posted it on my youtube channel now. Should be viewable in a few minutes.
dymXzqDFWTk
One further note: Any person who thinks that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is taking a reasonable and scientific approach to questions about 9/11 must account for some of the blatant lies and distortions coming from that organization.
Here are the main offenders, which appear in advertisements on radio heard here (http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_dr_harrit.mp3?nvb=20090812223520&nva=20090813224520&t=0f2cae5172fb20838ed14), for example.
1) The false claim that WTC7 'came down in just 6.5 seconds at near freefall speed'. This ignores the actual time of over 14 seconds that the building collapse took.
2) 'in the exact manner of a classic controlled demolition'. This is a false statement. There is no explosive CD in history that didn't involve very loud, noticeable explosions just seconds prior to the collapse.
3) The towers are 'missing 90,000 tons of concrete', 'actually pulverized to a fine dust...landing all over Manhattan'. In fact, the composition of the dust is not primarily concrete - the statement is unsupported by evidence.
4) 'Why does the pulverized concrete, and the molten iron, and the ends of the steel beams carry the chemical signature of thermite, a high tech incendiary used by the military to cut thru steel like a hot knife thru butter?
This is actually documented by FEMA and left out of the final report by NIST.'
This paragraph is highly misleading and speculative. For example, at no time did FEMA find evidence of thermite. And is there any real proof of pools of molten iron?
It was bill smith who first referenced the interview, and notably misquoted Dr. Sunder, saying 'Maybe I have audio of Shyam Sunder, leader of the NIST investigtion into the collapse of WTC7 saying that WTC7 resembled a controlled demolition.'
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4993581#post4993581
It turns out that Dr. Sunder was referencing the suggestion that it had collapsed in a manner similar to a controlled demolition:
'Third, we wanted to look at hypothetical blast events because there was some suggestion - we had not seen any evidence of it - that the manner in which tower 7, building 7 seemed to collapse was similar in some features to a controlled demolition.'
Clearly Dr. Sunder refers to the suggestion, but distances himself from it. Assuming 'we' refers to the investigating persons from NIST, including Dr. Sunder, it must be stated that this was never Dr. Sunder's stated opinion.
The entire interview from Thursday aug 23, 2008 with
No Lies Radio host Allan Rees and Dr. Sunder is available here:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/Nist%20Dr%20Sunder%20Interview_080821_widmusic-web.mp3
I've edited the ad and posted it on my youtube channel now. Should be viewable in a few minutes.
dymXzqDFWTk
One further note: Any person who thinks that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is taking a reasonable and scientific approach to questions about 9/11 must account for some of the blatant lies and distortions coming from that organization.
Here are the main offenders, which appear in advertisements on radio heard here (http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_dr_harrit.mp3?nvb=20090812223520&nva=20090813224520&t=0f2cae5172fb20838ed14), for example.
1) The false claim that WTC7 'came down in just 6.5 seconds at near freefall speed'. This ignores the actual time of over 14 seconds that the building collapse took.
2) 'in the exact manner of a classic controlled demolition'. This is a false statement. There is no explosive CD in history that didn't involve very loud, noticeable explosions just seconds prior to the collapse.
3) The towers are 'missing 90,000 tons of concrete', 'actually pulverized to a fine dust...landing all over Manhattan'. In fact, the composition of the dust is not primarily concrete - the statement is unsupported by evidence.
4) 'Why does the pulverized concrete, and the molten iron, and the ends of the steel beams carry the chemical signature of thermite, a high tech incendiary used by the military to cut thru steel like a hot knife thru butter?
This is actually documented by FEMA and left out of the final report by NIST.'
This paragraph is highly misleading and speculative. For example, at no time did FEMA find evidence of thermite. And is there any real proof of pools of molten iron?