American Atomic-Holocaust of the People of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[Huzington]

The ruling class of America dropped the bombs high in the sky so that they could kill as many men, women and children as possible.

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/usgenocide/HiroshimaNagasaki.html

The burned corpse of someone's child, among the many murdered in the US-commited genocide:

Warning: gruesome picture.
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/usgenocide/usgncdgraphics/NagasakiDeadChild.jpg

Truly sickening.

From the above link:


The bombing of Japanese cities continued the strategy of saturation bombing to destroy civilian morale; one nighttime fire-bombing of Tokyo took 80,000 lives. ([the] “nighttime bombing” was by its very nature indiscriminate, not aimed primarily at military targets.)

And then, on August 6, 1945, came the lone American plane in the sky over Hiroshima, dropping the first atomic bomb, leaving perhaps 100,000 Japanese dead, and tens of thousands more slowly dying from radiation poisoning.

Twelve U.S. navy fliers in the Hiroshima city jail were killed in the bombing, a fact that the U.S. government has never officially acknowledged, according to historian Martin Sherwin (“A World Destroyed”).

Three days later, a second atomic bomb was dropped on the city of Nagasaki, with perhaps 50,000 killed.

[...]

The dropping of the second bomb on Nagasaki seems to have been scheduled in advance, and no one has ever been able to explain why it was dropped. Was it because this was a plutonium bomb whereas the Hiroshima bomb was a uranium bomb? Were the dead and irradiated of Nagasaki victims of a scientific experiment?

Martin Sherwin says that among the Nagasaki dead were probably American prisoners of war. He notes a message of July 31 from Headquarters, U.S. Strategic Air Forces, Guam, to the War Department:

“Reports prisoner of war sources, not verified by photos, given location of Allied prisoner of war camp one mile north of center of city of Nagasaki. Does this influence the choice of this target for initial Centerboard operation? Request immediate reply.”

The reply: “Targets previously assigned for Centerboard remain unchanged.”

True, the war ended quickly. Italy had been defeated a year earlier. Germany had recently surrendered, crushed primarily by the armies of the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front, aided by the Allied armies on the West. Now Japan surrendered. [...]

But what about fascism — as idea, as reality? Were its essential elements — militarism, racism, imperialism — now gone? Or were they absorbed into the already poisoned bones of the victors.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Huzington
The burned corpse of someone's child, among the many murdered in the US-commited genocide:


Was it original recipe or extra crispy?

[Earthborn]

Huzington, on this discussion board we have a policy not to post gruesome pictures. Just check the rules. So I'll say to you the same as I did to Luke T. who recently posted pictures of lynchings of black people: please report yourself to a moderator to ask whether this picture is acceptable or not. Or I will!

This is not to curb your free speech, the link can stay. And when it comes to Hiroshima and Nagasaki I basically agree with you. It is just that the picture could be against the rules.

Got that?

Good: Report yourself!

(If you don't I'll be a tad annoyed. And you really don't want to make me a tad annoyed, because that would force me to reason with you and stuff. There is little doubt in my mind that you'll lose that.)

[shuize]

... When it comes to Hiroshima and Nagasaki I basically agree with you ... Hypocritical Dutch response. The Dutch didn't mind the firebombing of Germany in order to liberate the Netherlands, but the killing of any other civilians by the U.S. is of course a war crime.

[Earthborn]

Sigh...

Of course I cannot speak for the people who were around at the time (I didn't object to the firebombings then, because I didn't exist then!), but I object very much to all deliberate civilian targetting. And in case you didn't know: the Netherlands took a heavy beating by Allied forces as well.

Really, you won't ever catch me holding any hypocritical opinions. Just try, you won't find any.

[Stimpson J. Cat]

This is just stupid. No, scratch that, it is just ignorant. It is ignorant of what World War 2 was actually like.

We did not have smart bombs and missiles that can nail a cat from 10 miles away back then. What we had was big bombs that you drop on cities to destroy them.

All of World War 2 was like that. Europe was devastated. Cities were bombed to destroy the ability of a Nation to wage war. Civilian casualties were considered the norm, not a necessary evil that should be minimized.

The decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan was made because they believed that far fewer people would be killed that way, then the alternative. It was believed at the time that Japan would not surrender until their army was utterly destroyed. The hope was that the atomic bomb would make the ruler of Japan realize that they could not possibly win, and that continued fighting would result in the utter destruction of their country. And the bottom line is, it worked.

You can argue in hind-site that it may have been unnecessary, or that Japan would have surrendered with far fewer civilian casualties if the bombs had not been dropped, or even that the decision to drop the bombs was a malicious one. But unless you have actual evidence that the true reasons for dropping the bombs was any different than the reasons given by the people who made that decision, you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.

The fact is that World War 2 was a really dark time in human history. A lot of human beings from all over the world did a lot of really terrible things to a lot of others. But with the exception of a few elderly people, none of the people who were making decisions back then are still around today. Going around pointing fingers at people and accusing them of war crimes for what their countries did before they were even born, is just silly. We need to learn from the atrocity that was World War 2. And if we are going to do that, we need to look at what really happened, and at why it happened, rather than throwing blame around to forward some current political agenda.


Dr. Stupid

[Ed]

Good post Stimson.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by corplinx


Was it original recipe or extra crispy?

"Waiter---I wanted my child medium rare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Of course this could also be a pic of a Chinese child. Maybe a resident of Nanking shortly after the Japanese arrived there.

[peptoabysmal]

Uh, film at eleven…

You’re posting this like its news or something. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been discussed from a historical perspective ad-infinitum on this and other boards.

Personally, I think the photos of Kurdish children nerve-gassed by Saddam are far more gruesome than this. Their eyes are still open, their lips are blue and their fingers are still twisted from writhing in agony. Shall I post some of those shocking photos, to keep in line with the nature of this thread?

What your link doesn’t say is that the Japanese weren’t going to surrender; they were going to fight to the last man. I am against the use of nuclear weapons (despite how I talk, sometimes), but I can at least understand the motivations for its use in this case.

It was not genocide; there are still lots of Japanese. It was not murder; it was war and war is ugly. Murder is a personal act by one individual against another. Was it even a war crime? Not at the time, no.

[gaaaaaaaaarrrr]

This is how Huzington's threads seem to go:

1. Huzington makes an extremist liberal or anti-american statement.

2. Many people insult Huzington.

3. Huzington brushes off these insults and demands that people stick to the topic.

4. Several people make arguments about aforementioned topic.

5. Huzington ignores these arguments.

Is that about right?

Huzington, are you a member of the North Korean military or something?

How did you form your veiws on this topic?

[gaaaaaaaaarrrr]

Oops, I thought I was responding to one of Huzington's North Korea threads.

No big deal, though, all of Huzington's threads are pretty much the same.

[headscratcher4]

1. Huzington makes an extremist liberal or anti-american statement.

nothing this troll posts is anywhere remotely "liberal" by any rational use of that term in a Western/American context. To even suggest that this blather is "liberal" is to demonstrate severe ignorance not only of the word, but its political and philosophical heritage.

Huzington is a troll. If not, he is but one more deluded fool and Stalanist. These are totalitarian ideologies and have nothing to do with intelectual, philosophical or political liberalism, and certainly nothing to do with any political movement or ideology that is called "liberal" in the context of American politics.

[headscratcher4]

Interesting that this troll want to throw the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki into his bait bucket.

I would think, reading North Korean continuing outrage at japan for 40 years of brutal colonialism, and its demands for retribution, "justice", and offial apologies and compensation for Japan's actions in Korea, that Mr. H. would find the dropping of the Bomb on Japan -- which finished the war, allowed the final liberation of Korea -- a good thing.

BTW, Stimpson, right on!

[Supercharts]

"Oil droplets bubble to the surface of Pearl Harbor above the USS Arizona, creating a vivid link to the past. On a quiet Sunday morning December 7, 1941 a Japanese surprise air attack left the Pacific Fleet in smoldering heaps of broken, twisted steel. Here, peace was interrupted and paradise lost. In hours, 2,390 futures were stolen, half of these casualties from the battleship Arizona.

Behind the shadows of destroyed airfields, aircraft, and ships, America fought fear, and a determined enemy responding with an unrivaled war effort. An epic battle for democratic ideals and world freedom would bloody the fields of Europe and the islands of the Pacific over the next four years.

The USS Arizona Memorial as a national shrine symbolizes American sacrifice and resolve. Through national tragedy, a Òsleeping giant awokeÓ and the United States moved towards its destiny as a global power."
http://www.nps.gov/usar/

[Shaun from Scotland]

Originally posted by Stimpson J. Cat
This is just stupid. No, scratch that, it is just ignorant. It is ignorant of what World War 2 was actually like.

We did not have smart bombs and missiles that can nail a cat from 10 miles away back then. What we had was big bombs that you drop on cities to destroy them.

All of World War 2 was like that. Europe was devastated. Cities were bombed to destroy the ability of a Nation to wage war. Civilian casualties were considered the norm, not a necessary evil that should be minimized.

The decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan was made because they believed that far fewer people would be killed that way, then the alternative. It was believed at the time that Japan would not surrender until their army was utterly destroyed. The hope was that the atomic bomb would make the ruler of Japan realize that they could not possibly win, and that continued fighting would result in the utter destruction of their country. And the bottom line is, it worked.

You can argue in hind-site that it may have been unnecessary, or that Japan would have surrendered with far fewer civilian casualties if the bombs had not been dropped, or even that the decision to drop the bombs was a malicious one. But unless you have actual evidence that the true reasons for dropping the bombs was any different than the reasons given by the people who made that decision, you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.

The fact is that World War 2 was a really dark time in human history. A lot of human beings from all over the world did a lot of really terrible things to a lot of others. But with the exception of a few elderly people, none of the people who were making decisions back then are still around today. Going around pointing fingers at people and accusing them of war crimes for what their countries did before they were even born, is just silly. We need to learn from the atrocity that was World War 2. And if we are going to do that, we need to look at what really happened, and at why it happened, rather than throwing blame around to forward some current political agenda.


Dr. Stupid

Best post on this board for ages.

[Luciana]

This thread wasn't reported, but upon seeing this, I added the link, so only those who want to see the picture, will.

[Earthborn]

Thanks, Luciana. :)

So Huzington didn't report himself, did he? Not very nice of him.

[jj]

Originally posted by Huzington
The ruling class of America dropped the bombs high in the sky ...

Hey, go tell Joe Stalin about all those Ukranians, ok?

Troll!:tr:

[Huzington]

Originally posted by jj


Hey, go tell Joe Stalin about all those Ukranians, ok?

Troll!:tr:

I am from the Ukraine myself and am thoroughly informed about
the famine of the Ukraine - a famine caused by massive draught,
invasion of 8 imperialist powers, the fact that kulaks were
destroying grain deliveries, refusing to produce any food,
destroying collectives, killing government officials, killing millions of
farm animals, the epidemics in which 20 million people died from the
Spanish flu, the local authority's destestation and consequent
mistreatment of the kulaks, etc., etc., etc - Yes, I know all about
that.

But what does this have to do with the American atomic-holocaust
in Japan? Nothing. Blood-thirsty hate-filled Yankee rednecked warmongering hickish anti-Communist fanatic.

[jj]

Originally posted by Huzington


I am from the Ukraine myself and am thoroughly informed about
the famine of the Ukraine - a famine caused by massive draught,
invasion of 8 imperialist powers, the fact that kulaks were
destroying grain deliveries, refusing to produce any food,
destroying collectives, killing government officials, killing millions of
farm animals, the epidemics in which 20 million people died from the
Spanish flu, the local authority's destestation and consequent
mistreatment of the kulaks, etc., etc., etc - Yes, I know all about
that.


Yet you worship the master who brought it all about?

Troll! :tr:

[Ed]

Homemade Starving Kulak Whole Grain Bread - Recipe More Healthy Food Solutions
Excerpted from Feeding the Whole Family, by Cynthia Lair.
Jeff Basom, the chef at Bastyr University, shares his unique way of making bread. Jeff's bread is economical and nutritious and children love the soft, light texture. Using leftover grains or cereal as a starter dough is a beautiful example of the transformative quality of whole foods.



Simple Solution:
Starter Dough
2 cups cooked whole grains
2 cups water
1/4 cup cold-pressed vegetable oil
1 tablespoon sea salt
1 tablespoon dry yeast
1 cup whole wheat flour (more or less)

Blend grains and water in a blender or food processor until creamy; pour into a large mixing bowl. Mix in oil, salt, and yeast. Add enough flour to make the mixture look like thick cooked cereal. Cover the bowl with plastic wrap or a damp towel and leave for 12-24 hours at room temperature. Once the dough is fermented, it can be refrigerated for up to a week before using to make bread.

To make a bread
1/4 cup sweetener (such as barley malt or maple syrup)
2 cups whole wheat flour
3-4 cups unbleached white flour or whole wheat flour

After the 12-24 hours, add sweetener to starter dough and stir. Add whole wheat flour, stirring it in. As you add the white flour, the mixture will be too difficult to stir. Knead it by hand in the bowl and continue to add white flour. When dough is less sticky, transfer it to a floured surface and knead 10-15 minutes or until dough is soft and springy, but not too sticky. Wash and dry mixing bowl and oil it. Place dough in bowl, cover and let rise in a warm place 1 1/2 - 2 hours.

To bake the bread
1 teaspoon water
1 teaspoon barley malt or maple syrup
1 teaspoon cold-pressed vegetable oil
1/4 teaspoon sea salt

Mix water, syrup, oil, and salt in a small cup or bowl and coat the top of each loaf with this mixture. Cover and let rise in pans for 45-60 minutes until the loaves have doubled in size. Test the bread for readiness. If you press the dough and it wants to stay in, but still has a little spring, it's ready to bake. Preheat oven to 350 F. Bake 45-50 minutes. Bread will come out of pans after 5 minutes of cooling. Let it cool 30 minutes before slicing (if you can wait!).

Yumbolicious, from Moscow to the Gulag. The choice of 8 out of 10 commissars. Whoops, 8 out of 9, one was just liquidated!

[Huzington]

Originally posted by jj


Yet you worship the master who brought it all about?

Troll! :tr:

Where have I worshiped the kulaks? Where have I worshiped
epidemics? Where have I worshiped massive natural disasters?
Where have I worshiped massive social upheaval which rivaled
that of the 1917 revolution? Where have I worshiped the 8
imperialist nations who invaded the young and weak Soviet
Union?

No, I do not worship all those above mentioned factors which
brought about the famine in the Ukraine.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Huzington


Where have I worshiped the kulaks? Where have I worshiped
epidemics? Where have I worshiped massive natural disasters?
Where have I worshiped massive social upheaval which rivaled
that of the 1917 revolution? Where have I worshiped the 8
imperialist nations who invaded the young and weak Soviet
Union?

No, I do not worship all those above mentioned factors which
brought about the famine in the Ukraine.

As someone who is from Ukraine I'm going to have to call bullsh**t on that. The famine happend because Stalin took all the grain to punish Ukraine and feed the rest of the country. You can go ahead and make up anything you want to protect your glorious leader you ******* ***** ****.

[Huzington]

Originally posted by Grammatron


As someone who is from Ukraine I'm going to have to call bullsh**t on that. The famine happend because Stalin took all the grain to punish Ukraine and feed the rest of the country. You can go ahead and make up anything you want to protect your glorious leader you ******* ***** ****.

Actually, the Russian research indicates that it was decided by
the majority of the Party that grain be not delivered to
six KULAK villages for commiting acts of sabotage and terror.
Six villages. Kulak villages. Not "millions", son. :rolleyes:

[Ed]

Originally posted by Huzington


Actually, the Russian research indicates that it was decided by
the majority of the Party that grain be not delivered to
six KULAK villages for commiting acts of sabotage and terror.
Six villages. Kulak villages. Not "millions", son. :rolleyes:

Dammit, read the recipe, and try it, son.

[jj]

Originally posted by Huzington


Actually, the Russian research indicates that it was decided by
the majority of the Party that grain be not delivered to
six KULAK villages for commiting acts of sabotage and terror.
Six villages. Kulak villages. Not "millions", son. :rolleyes:

Told you he lied, Grammatron, told you!

#define SARCASM_MODE
I'll bet that Joe Stalin was a misunderstood child who was ridiculed by his peers, Leon Trotsky abused baby axes, and Kim Jong Il was stunted as a child by having a rich father, too.
#undef SARCASM_MODE

:tr:

[Badger]

Huzington, I don't believe that you're from Ukraine.

Otherwise, you would have recommended that peolpe use more dill in their recipies.

I do believe that you're a kapusta holovah (phonetic spelling....sorry).

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Huzington


Actually, the Russian research indicates that it was decided by
the majority of the Party that grain be not delivered to
six KULAK villages for commiting acts of sabotage and terror.
Six villages. Kulak villages. Not "millions", son. :rolleyes:

I recommend highly that you do not encounter me in person ever because I will demonstrate to you how communist re-education was conducted.

[DialecticMaterialist]

Number of people killed by US atom bombs: 200,000 (at most).

Compare this to the estimated 300k POW's the Japanese killed in Nanjing alone.

The 15 million the Nazis killed.


The 25 million the Soviets killed of their own citizens.


One can only imagine the amount of Japanese that would have been killed had the Soviets been allowed to enter the scene and occupy parts of Japan. Which they were preparing to do. Especially since many Japanese desired to let them in to mediate between Japan and the Allies.


The fact is the US and Western European allies were by far the most humane sides in the war.

[jj]

Luzington, liar!
Nan Jing was not genocide
But the bomb, it was?

Super-surreal!
Reality avoided.
Huzington insane!

[DialecticMaterialist]

Originally posted by Huzington


Blood-thirsty hate-filled Yankee rednecked warmongering hickish anti-Communist fanatic.


Straight from the horses mouth.......

[jj]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist



Straight from the horses mouth.......

Wrong end.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Huzington


I am from the Ukraine myself and am thoroughly informed about
the famine of the Ukraine - a famine caused by massive draught,


Really, I would think some massive draught would help the famine:

http://www.fao.org/ag/magazine/0009sp1.htm