9/11-investigator is right about the Holocaust

[Oliver]

@9/11-investigator:

Let's assume you're right, the numbers of Jewish deaths are fudged, nobody was gassed during the Nazi-period and all people come to realize that pretty much all about the Holocaust is a hoax.

Now what? :)

[dtugg]

Now we round up all the jooos and exterminate them for being such lying thieves and disparaging the good name of Hitler.

[Oliver]

Well, I don't know if that is 9/11-investigators ultimate punchline here, but maybe he explains it in his own words.

[Simon39759]

Pretty much.

1) The Holocaust did not happen.
2) ????
3) Let make the Holocaust really happen.



I am not sure how this is supposed to work.

[RobRoy]

Pretty much.

1) The Holocaust did not happen.
2) ????
3) Let make the Holocaust really happen.



I am not sure how this is supposed to work.


We're still working on #2, but rest assured, we have our best men working around the clock. They even have to come in over the weeken to play . . . catch-up!

http://www.adpulp.com/lumbergh1.jpg

Yeeeaaahhh.

[laca]

@9/11-investigator:

Let's assume you're right, the numbers of Jewish deaths are fudged, nobody was gassed during the Nazi-period and all people come to realize that pretty much all about the Holocaust is a hoax.

Now what? :)

Now he can finally admit to being a Nazi.

[Pardalis]

What a fitting sequel to this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146040

[Simon39759]

What a fitting sequel to this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146040


"the Holocaust probably never had happened if the Jews wouldn't have sticked to their religion and instead, integrated themselves into European societies so they wouldn't have been the scapegoat for centuries".


Obviously.
I mean, the Romanis (also known as Gypsies) had such an easy time... :confused:

[Thunder]

Now that it has been proven that 6 million Jews were not killed in the Holocaust, we must remove all Jews from white-Christian lands and destroy Israel.

The 5.5 million Jews in the USA, the 2 million Jews in Europe and the former USSR, all must go.

Where shall they go? To the East of course!!!

[timhau]

@9/11-investigator:

Let's assume you're right, the numbers of Jewish deaths are fudged, nobody was gassed during the Nazi-period and all people come to realize that pretty much all about the Holocaust is a hoax.

Now what? :)

Put bars on your windows to keep all those pesky flying pigs out.

[I Ratant]

Obviously.
I mean, the Romanis (also known as Gypsies) had such an easy time... :confused:
.
I recall in 1960 in Budapest, we guys were lusting at a beautiful babe we saw in the dining room at the hotel we were staying at.
The maitre-de said disgustingly... " Is gypsy!".
Looked like a babe to us, no invalidating impediments to lusting at.

[Simon39759]

Now that it has been proven that 6 million Jews were not killed in the Holocaust, we must remove all Jews from white-Christian lands and destroy Israel.

The 5.5 million Jews in the USA, the 2 million Jews in Europe and the former USSR, all must go.

Where shall they go? To the East of course!!!


Or to Israel, actually. Most Western anti-Semites would have no problem with that.
Arab anti-Semites would, of course...

[Skeptic]

www.nizkor.org quotes a neo-nazi leader who, for once, tells the truth: "The purpose of holocaust denial is to make Nazism acceptable again".

[Skeptic]

Or to Israel, actually. Most Western anti-Semites would have no problem with that.
Arab anti-Semites would, of course...

As MAD magazine put it years ago, neo-nazis want all those commie Jews shipped to Israel, so the neo-nazis can root for the Arabs, who are the staunch allies of the USSR.

No, it doesn't make much sense to me, either.

[paximperium]

@9/11-investigator:

Let's assume you're right, the numbers of Jewish deaths are fudged, nobody was gassed during the Nazi-period and all people come to realize that pretty much all about the Holocaust is a hoax.

Now what? :)
Therefore Nazi's can get to the real work of actually doing the Holocaust right.

[Simon39759]

As MAD magazine put it years ago, neo-nazis want all those commie Jews shipped to Israel, so the neo-nazis can root for the Arabs, who are the staunch allies of the USSR.

No, it doesn't make much sense to me, either.


It DOES make sense, if you consider that the Nazis just want their country to be pure/aryan/white/what have you.
They do not necessarily want to exterminate the Jews, they mainly want to get rid of them. Relocating them to Israel would do the trick.

And, nowadays, European neo-Nazis hate Muslim immigrants just as much as they hate the Jews. Anything that, in their sick little mind, does not belong to the 'natural' ethnic content of their nation.

[Oliver]

Did 9/11 investigator post in this forum since I started this thread?

ETA: he did (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5031271&postcount=1173)

[9/11-investigator]

Did 9/11 investigator post in this forum since I started this thread?

ETA: he did (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5031271&postcount=1173)


I accidently saw this thread with my name in it, I don't read this forum at all you see.
I need free labour so I post a particular topic and next wait for all these dilligent JReff's to come into action and work for my purpose.

But to answer your question: nothing.

What do you think? That I will start demanding that The Schwitz needs to be reopened to finally deliver value for all these reparations being paid over the years? You can't be serious.

Oh yes, there will be a little pleasant side effect of this new won knowledge, namely that the NWO-ers will lose their ammo in enforcing multiculturalism upon us. But that's really a minor issue. Trust me.

P.S. I remember that Oliver confided (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148049&page=7) that he has German grandparents. Take him and (t)his thread cum grano salis. Don't let him take away that holo toy so easy from you. Maybe you will win this discussion (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148049) after all! Now come on, on the double! :D

[Tyooby]

Oh yes, there will be a little pleasant side effect of this new won knowledge, namely that the NWO-ers will lose their ammo in enforcing multiculturalism upon us.

So what would become of you if there's no more multiculturalism in the Netherlands? Nazis aren't exactly part of Dutch culture. In fact I seem to remember a lot of traitors were treated to a bullet in the head after WWII.

[paximperium]

Oh yes, there will be a little pleasant side effect of this new won knowledge, namely that the NWO-ers will lose their ammo in enforcing multiculturalism upon us. But that's really a minor issue. Trust me.
In other words, racist and Nazis will still be irrelevant.

[Pardalis]

I accidently saw this thread with my name in it, I don't read this forum at all you see.

Of course you don't, why would you be interested in a discussion forum dedicated to critical thinking?

I need free labour so I post a particular topic and next wait for all these dilligent JReff's to come into action and work for my purpose.You see guys, this nazi is on an ideological campaign, the more you talk to him, the more ammo you give him to further his racist hate-mongering agenda, and now we have useful idiots starting threads about him being hypothetically "right", which is the same as giving him the benefit of the doubt, which is all a denialist really wants. :mad:

[Thunder]

Of course you don't, why would you be interested in a discussion forum dedicated to critical thinking?

You see guys, this nazi is on an ideological campaign, the more you talk to him, the more ammo you give him to further his agenda, and now we have useful idiots starting threads about him being hypothetically "right", which is the same as giving him the benefit of the doubt, which is all a denialist really wants. :mad:

yeah, you're right. Except for rare occasions, Neo-Nazis don't wanna learn a thing. They just wanna spout their lies and propoganda.

9-11 Investigator is now on ignore.

[9/11-investigator]

yeah, you're right. Except for rare occasions, Neo-Nazis don't wanna learn a thing. They just wanna spout their lies and propoganda.

9-11 Investigator is now on ignore.

The towel is thrown in! :D

[NWO Sentryman]

this was like giving a troll a three course meal

[Thunder]

i am happy to converse with anyone who thinks that the Holocaust didn't happen, but is willing to look (without hatred and bigotry in their heart), at evidence to the contrary. unfortunately, most Holocaust-Deniers are very set in their ways and are unwilling to even acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong.

"The Jews are evil and deserve to die...therefore what they say about the Holocaust MUST be a lie." This is the logic that guides most Holocaust Deniers.

[9/11-investigator]

i am happy to converse with anyone who thinks that the Holocaust didn't happen, but it willing to look at evidence to the contrary. unfortunately, most Holocaust-Deniers are very set in their ways and are unwilling to even acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong.

No you are not. You know very well that I was and am willing to address your points and have done so. The debate was in full swing and I was and am prepared to do so for many more months.

If you come back I won't rub it in, I promise. I would like you to come back since you are the only one who more or less civil responded to my posts!

[timhau]

The towel is thrown in! :D

Yes folks, when everyone ignores him, he can have threads all of his own, and then HE'LL WIN!!

I'm sure there's something more pathetic under the Sun. I have no idea what, but I'm sure there's something.

[Thunder]

Well, see, it would be one thing if I gave up conversing with him, because I felt he defeated me. But I realize that by giving him the time of day, thereby giving his insane and paranoid and bigoted ideas an audience, I actually defeated myself. And we all defeat ourselves by giving this guy an audience.

I see that now..and I feel bad. Hopefully more will follow my decision.

[George152]

Well, see, it would be one thing if I gave up conversing with him, because I felt he defeated me. But I realize that by giving him the time of day, thereby giving his insane and paranoid and bigoted ideas an audience, I actually defeated myself. And we all defeat ourselves by giving this guy an audience.

I see that now..and I feel bad. Hopefully more will follow my decision.

You lie down with dogs you get fleas.
The second best thing you can do with nazis is don't have anything to do with them.
My parents generation had the best reply to nazis

[Thunder]

You lie down with dogs you get fleas.
The second best thing you can do with nazis is don't have anything to do with them.
My parents generation had the best reply to nazis

Luckily, in all honesty, JREF is not a place of any real significance. Its just a place I come to..to pass the time.

If this was a real-world situation, I would confront a Neo-Nazi with all means allowed by the law (and maybe some more).

But, again, this is just a debate/discussion forum...and it doesn't really matter.

:p

[NWO Sentryman]

Holocaust Deniers are like the T-1000: No matter what facts and truths are used against them, they reform and take more.

[timhau]

I'd rather use cockroaches as a comparison, but you've got a point.

[Chaos]

No you are not.

Yes he is.

You know very well that I was and am willing to address your points and have done so.

We know very well that you were and are neither willing nor able to honestly adress any one point made in the discussion with you, and that you have thus never done so.

The debate was in full swing and I was and am prepared to do so for many more months.

If by "debate" you mean "ceaselessly dish out vile anti-semitic smears", then yes you have done that. Otherwise, not so much.

If you would actually make just one tiny little point which would be considered (if only with some imagination) an honest argument, maybe we could respect you. But as long as you keep trotting out the same thoroughly debunked crap and puking nazi propaganda all over the place, we won´t.

[Thunder]

Wow. I've been blind. This guy is desperate for attention. I say he should get none.

[9/11-investigator]

Wow. I've been blind. This guy is desperate for attention. I say he should get none.

You really think that I am after attention from somebody who naively confides: "Its just a place I come to..to pass the time."

Good God, don't you understand what is to be gained for a dying European Civilization if it can be shown that this Holocaust was largely a fraud... and you think that I am craving for Kleinbier like attention from the likes of you? The only real attention I am after is getting tens of thousands of people reading my blog and thus making my little mark on history. I could not care less about getting attention from you folks. You are Schnee von Gestern.

[Twiler]

You really think that I am after attention from somebody who naively confides: "Its just a place I come to..to pass the time."

Good God, don't you understand what is to be gained for a dying European Civilization if it can be shown that this Holocaust was largely a fraud... and you think that I am craving for Kleinbier like attention from the likes of you? The only real attention I am after is getting tens of thousands of people reading my blog and thus making my little mark on history. I could not care less about getting attention from you folks. You are Schnee von Gestern.

Why you keep posting here if you think no-one is worth talking to and you don't want attention?

[9/11-investigator]

Why you keep posting here if you think no-one is worth talking to and you don't want attention?

Because you can still make yourself's useful in collecting all the BS arguments in favour of the holocaust hypothesis from sites like Nizkor so I can debunk them. Let's make the somewhat unflattering comparison of you guys being the doggies that dig up the bones to put them at my feet.

[The Fool]

Because you can still make yourself's useful in collecting all the BS arguments in favour of the holocaust hypothesis from sites like Nizkor so I can debunk them. Let's make the somewhat unflattering comparison of you guys being the doggies that dig up the bones to put them at my feet.
funny thing is I've not seen you actually debunk anything. I've seen you claim more victories than Saddam Hussein's foreign minister but......all I've seen from you so far is standard cut and paste of the standard Holocaust deniers stuff.



keep telling yourself you are brilliant.....you may be the only person you can convince.

[Twiler]

Because you can still make yourself's useful in collecting all the BS arguments in favour of the holocaust hypothesis from sites like Nizkor so I can debunk them. Let's make the somewhat unflattering comparison of you guys being the doggies that dig up the bones to put them at my feet.

Assuming this is what is actually happening, what do you do with all the information gathered?

[xXMoshtradamusXx]

Welcome to my ignore list 9-11, Population-You...
Sad that he's the only person here I even want to ignore...

[9/11-investigator]

Assuming this is what is actually happening, what do you do with all the information gathered?

I already told you, convert my findings here in a blog, like:

thehollowcause.blogspot.com

or something similar aimed at 'forum warfare', meaning a repository where you can quickly find an answer on an claim made by a holocaustian. I already have a Dutch repository, now I want to translate that into English for maximum effectiveness.

We are becoming serious in defending European Civilization against it's many enemies.

[Twiler]

What are these threats and why should I care about them? (I live in Europe)

[Stray Cat]

Funny, I seem to remember that the only real threat to Europe in the last century were the Nazis.

Luckily we wooped their ass... sadly it looks like we didn't do a good enough job.

[GreNME]

What do you think? That I will start demanding that The Schwitz needs to be reopened to finally deliver value for all these reparations being paid over the years? You can't be serious.

This is an intellectually dishonest and deceitful statement on your part. The Swiss reparations are for wealth stolen from Jewish citizens by the Nazi regime. Surely you're not now claiming that this also didn't happen. This would require refusing to accept how all of this wealth was confiscated-- the rounding up of the Jews and forcing them into ghettos and labor camps.

Perhaps you mean the German reparations paid to Israelis? Of course, you would be shooting yourself in the foot there, since the German government paid (mostly) Jews individually in reparation for the cost of being forced out of the European nations-- if more Jews had actually survived and fled to Israel, then Germany would have paid more in reparations at the time or still owes a bunch of money in unpaid costs. Not exactly the outcome that would give any vindication to the actions of the Nazi regime.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've developed the mental gymnastics to avoid facing the cognitive dissonance of such statements outright. I simply find it interesting how you seem to make passing comments that show how openly you're willing to engage in them.

[9/11-investigator]

This is an intellectually dishonest and deceitful statement on your part. The Swiss reparations are for wealth stolen from Jewish citizens by the Nazi regime. Surely you're not now claiming that this also didn't happen. This would require refusing to accept how all of this wealth was confiscated-- the rounding up of the Jews and forcing them into ghettos and labor camps.

Perhaps you mean the German reparations paid to Israelis? Of course, you would be shooting yourself in the foot there, since the German government paid (mostly) Jews individually in reparation for the cost of being forced out of the European nations-- if more Jews had actually survived and fled to Israel, then Germany would have paid more in reparations at the time or still owes a bunch of money in unpaid costs. Not exactly the outcome that would give any vindication to the actions of the Nazi regime.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've developed the mental gymnastics to avoid facing the cognitive dissonance of such statements outright. I simply find it interesting how you seem to make passing comments that show how openly you're willing to engage in them.

The financial aspects (reparations/Swiss banks/Israel, etc) don't interest me at all. Let alone any form of physical revenge.

I am only interested in the cultural (spiritual if you like) effects of a soft landing of the holocaust. The holocaust is the holy grail of the NWO. Once it is smashed, the smashing of the NWO can begin and make room for a new NWO, the one described/predicted by Samuel Huntington: a multipolar world divided in 8 spheres of cultural/racial/religious influence.

[BNRT]

We are becoming serious in defending European Civilization against it's many enemies.

By 'enemies' I assume you mean muslims? Arabs? Foreigners? Jews? Just who exactly?

How is the existence or non-existence of the holocaust going to help defend against these enemies?

ETA: Crikey, nevermind, NWO it is. So, after proving the JFK assassination was fake, 9/11 was fake, the moon landings were fake and finally that the holocaust was fake, surely the NWO would have keeled over and died? Oh wait, you did not prove anything, nor does the NWO exist.

[9/11-investigator]

By 'enemies' I assume you mean muslims? Arabs? Foreigners? Jews? Just who exactly?

How is the existence or non-existence of the holocaust going to help defend against these enemies?

Enemy = anybody who acts in support of the cause of making the original European population a minority in their own lands.

The invaders are mainly third worlders, Turks, etc. The enablers could be Jews (by far not all), some extreme left Europeans, asylum laywers, etc.

The holocaust traditionally was and is used to implant into Europeans a sense of guilt, a guilt that could be repaid by letting endless streams of invaders into your own lands.

[lionking]

Tell you what 9/11 Investigator, how about getting over to the Conspiracy sub forum where Nick Terry is debunking ludicrious holocaust denial videos?

I'm sure you will have a lot to contribute.

Or are you scared?

[BNRT]

So we accept people coming into Europe from warzones, economic disaster zones etc. because the Nazis killed a lot of people? Really? Not just because it is the humane thing to do?

[JihadJane]

@9/11-investigator:

Let's assume you're right, the numbers of Jewish deaths are fudged, nobody was gassed during the Nazi-period and all people come to realize that pretty much all about the Holocaust is a hoax.

Now what? :)

Highly evolved debunkers would have to find a different killer smear.

[Damien Evans]

funny thing is I've not seen you actually debunk anything. I've seen you claim more victories than Saddam Hussein's foreign minister but......all I've seen from you so far is standard cut and paste of the standard Holocaust deniers stuff.



keep telling yourself you are brilliant.....you may be the only person you can convince.

http://www.nigelhaversalliance.com/pics/infominister.jpeg

[JihadJane]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/263894a912ae15e8b9.jpg ('http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17390')

[JihadJane]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/263894a912bda3bd5a.jpg ('http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17391')

[Twiler]

What's the problem with turning the europeans into a minority in their own lands?

And how do you define a european anyway? What's the difference between a european and a non-european? Isn't ANYONE who lives in europe a european?

[JihadJane]

Enemy = anybody who acts in support of the cause of making the original European population a minority in their own lands.




Deport the Anglo Saxon invaders now! Victory to the Beaker People.

[Stray Cat]

Enemy = anybody who acts in support of the cause of making the original European population a minority in their own lands.
And what's the cut off date that YOU consider "original European"?
Because Europe has always been an assimilation of different races and cultures... inspite of the Nazi's attempt to put an end to it.

[Chaos]

What's the problem with turning the europeans into a minority in their own lands?

And how do you define a european anyway? What's the difference between a european and a non-european? Isn't ANYONE who lives in europe a european?

You have to understand... he must say "European" because he can´t say "Aryan".

[Thunder]

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to preserve the ethnic integrity of a nation-state. Except for legitimate asylum seekers, I don't think a nation is under any obligation to let in immigrants.

[Redtail]

The holocaust traditionally was and is used to implant into Europeans a sense of guilt, a guilt that could be repaid by letting endless streams of invaders into your own lands.

... Why would the Brits feel a sense of guilt?

[Thunder]

Why would Europeans feel guilty about the Holocaust? I mean, all European countries and peoples did everything they could to protect their Jewish minorities..right?

No European country deported any of their Jews to the concentration camps unless they were threatened with destruction...right?

[Arisia]

Enemy = anybody who acts in support of the cause of making the original European population a minority in their own lands.


Most of the 'original European population' moved in from North Africa and the Middle East, too, if you look far enough back. :)

[Pardalis]

[/URL][URL]http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/263894a912ae15e8b9.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17390)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/alexjones.gif

BTW, I'm glad to know where you stand on this issue, ever more reason to think you're a crock.

[MG1962]

Why would Europeans feel guilty about the Holocaust? I mean, all European countries and peoples did everything they could to protect their Jewish minorities..right?

No European country deported any of their Jews to the concentration camps unless they were threatened with destruction...right?

And many of those people died trying to protect the Jews.........one of the great untold stories of WW2. The amount of personal courage displayed by many is the stuff of legends

[Thunder]

http://www.billcasselman.com/grp212.jpg

http://www.epier.com/stores/outpostflags/imagesNew/NaziSSposterNeth.jpg

[Thunder]

And many of those people died trying to protect the Jews.........one of the great untold stories of WW2. The amount of personal courage displayed by many is the stuff of legends

Yes. Those brave Europeans who stood up to the SS and the prevailing winds, and protected innocent Jewish civilians, are honored as they should be.

But those Europeans who willingly or proudly sent Jews to their deaths, SHOULD feel guilty. And many do.

[9/11-investigator]

Tell you what 9/11 Investigator, how about getting over to the Conspiracy sub forum where Nick Terry is debunking ludicrious holocaust denial videos?

I'm sure you will have a lot to contribute.

Or are you scared?

I'm scared to death.

Seriously, it was professional holocaust entrepreneur Nick Terry who ran away from me after he found out that I do fight back (see earlier in this thread).

[9/11-investigator]

Funny, I seem to remember that the only real threat to Europe in the last century were the Nazis.

Luckily we wooped their ass... sadly it looks like we didn't do a good enough job.

Nazi-Germany never wanted war with Western Europe, it was forced upon them by Churchill.

It's obvious that Bolshevism never posed a threat according to Stray Cat. The Soviet-Union was heaven on earth according to our non_Aristocat. An opinion he shares with the majority of the NWO-ers on the forum. No surprises her.

http://robertbonnett.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/hammer-and-sickle.jpg

http://carlos.postenet.net/images/europe/russia/soviet/Soviet-Battle-Berlin.jpg

http://students.umf.maine.edu/~ouellecr/coldwarwebquest/400px-CommunistBlock.png

[Tyooby]

What are you implying, Parky, by posting those Dutch nazi propaganda posters? Do you think it says something about the Dutch that the occupiers of our country had those things made? By the way, Dutch nazi-sympathizers were hugely outnumbered by those who helped the resistance. In my family alone, both my grandfathers helped the resistance, a great-uncle of mine helped many jews hide from the Germans and was tortured and killed for it. Many people I know have similar family backgrounds. People like this 9/11-investigator deeply disgust me. But fortunately nazi-sympathizers like him are, as was the case in WW2, a small minority.

[9/11-investigator]

What are these threats and why should I care about them? (I live in Europe)

Tours - 732 A.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours)
Vienna - 1529 A.D.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna)
2030 - Islamic take-over as expressed by a muslim 'British' MP!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttz8-ucWhYc)

What indications do you need more for the impending catastrophe to happen? How foolish can you be?

ISLAMIC TAKEOVER COUP IN THE UK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEbC6ARKv6c)

[Thunder]

People like this 9/11-investigator deeply disgust me. But fortunately nazi-sympathizers like him are, as was the case in WW2, a small minority.

I just wanted to give him something to smile about.

:)

[Uzzy]

Somehow, I don't think a man who predicts that EU troops will land on Florida to save America should really be believed when he makes any predictions.

Also, today is the 70th Anniversary of the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Seems like the Nazis could live with the Soviets.

[9/11-investigator]

So we accept people coming into Europe from warzones, economic disaster zones etc. because the Nazis killed a lot of people? Really? Not just because it is the humane thing to do?

In a fairly recent interview the director of the Dutch immigration service IND confessed that of the 100 assylum applications some 98 need to be considered fake. They try to escape the poverty of their own lands (the poverty being the direct result of their god given modest abilities) and come here in endless numbers.

Being humane is a good thing but committing sociocide is a crime towards your own children. Help yes but not to the extent of committing suicide.

[Twiler]

Tours - 732 A.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours)
Vienna - 1529 A.D.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna)
2030 - Islamic take-over as expressed by a muslim 'British' MP!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttz8-ucWhYc)

What indications do you need more for the impending catastrophe to happen? How foolish can you be?

ISLAMIC TAKEOVER COUP IN THE UK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEbC6ARKv6c)

I notice that you haven't answered the question about europeans I raised earlier.

I don't see how a couple of battles in the past constitute 'threats'.

Why would a prevalence of Muslim MPs constitute an Islamic takeover?

[9/11-investigator]

And what's the cut off date that YOU consider "original European"?
Because Europe has always been an assimilation of different races and cultures... inspite of the Nazi's attempt to put an end to it.

Balony. Until 1800 the average European never traveled further away from his birth place than 8 miles. In 1965 I saw the first black person in my life, a kid from Surinam.

I felt sorry for him.

I just returned from a beautiful afternoon spend on the beach past Haarlem. Thousands and thousands of people there, saw 2 morrocans, the rest Dutchies.

[9/11-investigator]

Somehow, I don't think a man who predicts that EU troops will land on Florida to save America should really be believed when he makes any predictions.

Also, today is the 70th Anniversary of the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Seems like the Nazis could live with the Soviets.

That was a temporary agreement. Both losers of WW1 decided it was in their mutual advantage to retake all the territory that had been taken from them at Versailles. Hence the German invasion in 1939 of Prussia, ehh excuse me, Poland. Nobody ever complained in 1914 that there was something wrong with this:

http://asweb.artsci.uc.edu/german/172/europe1914.jpg

Poland, what Poland?

[9/11-investigator]

What are you implying, Parky, by posting those Dutch nazi propaganda posters? Do you think it says something about the Dutch that the occupiers of our country had those things made? By the way, Dutch nazi-sympathizers were hugely outnumbered by those who helped the resistance. In my family alone, both my grandfathers helped the resistance, a great-uncle of mine helped many jews hide from the Germans and was tortured and killed for it. Many people I know have similar family backgrounds.

BS. There were some 30,000 active resistance fighters during the war (500,000 after the war). My grandfather had a German-Jewish family hiding for a year.

nazi-sympathizers like him

Again, BS, I only refuse to accept all the propaganda anymore as it is being used to destroy my society. Hence my comments.

[9/11-investigator]

I don't see how a couple of battles in the past constitute 'threats'.

The idea is to learn from the past and recognise patterns.

Why would a prevalence of Muslim MPs constitute an Islamic takeover?How about rubbing the **** out of your eyes?

To properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10.

This is a current 'British' member of parliament advocating for the UK to have a muslim PM and predicting it to happen around 2030. And you see no problem?

[9/11-investigator]

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to preserve the ethnic integrity of a nation-state. Except for legitimate asylum seekers, I don't think a nation is under any obligation to let in immigrants.

Why are we opponents again? Somebody who is honest about his identity, for a long time sought debate... beats me.

[Uzzy]

Maybe this Poland?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Irp1635.png/765px-Irp1635.png

As for the people who resented foreign rule over Poland, that would be the Poles, who rebelled quite frequently under foreign rule, such as in the Kościuszko Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%9Bciuszko_Uprising) in 1794, the November Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_Uprising) in 1830/1831, the January Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Uprising) in 1863/1864, the Kraków Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w_Uprising) in 1846 and the Greater Poland Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Uprising_%281848%29) in 1848. Along with the successful Greater Poland Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Uprising_%281918%E2%80%931919%29) of 1918/1919. A self proclaimed pan European like yourself shouldn't just write off Poland, which has been a part of European affairs for a thousand years.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, it was far from a temporary agreement. Stalin made moves for the Soviets to move into the Axis.

[9/11-investigator]

... Why would the Brits feel a sense of guilt?

If you oppose mass-immigration than that makes you a racist and we are going to call you a Nazi.

[Uzzy]

If you oppose mass-immigration than that makes you a racist and we are going to call you a Nazi.

No, you being a Nazi makes you a Nazi. Opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit.

[Tyooby]

BS. There were some 30,000 active resistance fighters during the war

And many more people who helped them, which is what I said: "nazi-sympathizers were hugely outnumbered by those who helped the resistance." Those people helped out by spreading underground newspapers, radios, providing the resistance with food, money, etc.

[dtugg]

Accoring to the nazi, the UK is an Israeli colony (yes he really said that). So, apparently, Muslims are going to replace the Jews. Interesting. Given how much he hates the Jews, he must really hate the Muslims to be opposed to this.

[Uzzy]

BS. There were some 30,000 active resistance fighters during the war (500,000 after the war). My grandfather had a German-Jewish family hiding for a year.

What would he have been hiding from?

[Ikarus]

The financial aspects (reparations/Swiss banks/Israel, etc) don't interest me at all. Let alone any form of physical revenge.

I am only interested in the cultural (spiritual if you like) effects of a soft landing of the holocaust. The holocaust is the holy grail of the NWO. Once it is smashed, the smashing of the NWO can begin and make room for a new NWO, the one described/predicted by Samuel Huntington: a multipolar world divided in 8 spheres of cultural/racial/religious influence.
"Soon, the word spreads at the NWO-stronghold about general 9/11-investigator, leader of the European Culture, amassing his troops for a destructing offensive against their loved Utopia.

NWO watchmen are put on high alert and the NWO central government is informed of each and every possible piece of information which could hint to the whereabouts of the Good Forces.

After an excruciating wait, bright white flags and banners appear over the horizon. But what is this?? Instead of attacking the main body of their Utopia -the ultra modern Stealth Gate, equipped with state of the art lasers-, they are moving for the much inferior Holocaust Gate, built around the 1950's for the unusually shaped Guilt Wagons.

As quick as possible, the NWO defense forces are relocated, but by the time they get to the mythical gate, it is already broken down, semantically, logically and morally, and bullhorned to dust by the furious mob of Truth Lovers.

With nowhere else to retreat to, some soldiers surrender, some try to rebuild the gate using Facts and other such subversive tactics, while the rest of the baffled Evil Guys just fight. It is pointless. They are lost.

As for general 9/11 and his brave ones, there is just one task ahead: the smashing."

So much for the mythical epic version of this story.

What really happened is that a bunch of morons attacked a historical fact, while chasing the smoke from their cigarettes. ("Where there is smoke, there is fire! They've got us surrounded! Can't you guys see?" - "I do see the smoke. You're making it.")

[9/11-investigator]

Maybe this Poland?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Irp1635.png/765px-Irp1635.png

As for the people who resented foreign rule over Poland, that would be the Poles, who rebelled quite frequently under foreign rule, such as in the Kościuszko Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%9Bciuszko_Uprising) in 1794, the November Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_Uprising) in 1830/1831, the January Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Uprising) in 1863/1864, the Kraków Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w_Uprising) in 1846 and the Greater Poland Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Uprising_%281848%29) in 1848. Along with the successful Greater Poland Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Uprising_%281918%E2%80%931919%29) of 1918/1919. A self proclaimed pan European like yourself shouldn't just write off Poland, which has been a part of European affairs for a thousand years.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, it was far from a temporary agreement. Stalin made moves for the Soviets to move into the Axis.

That was 1635 when Poland had it's largest size in history. At the time The Netherlands were nominaly part of Spain and America in the possession of the 'Indians'. Things change.

Pantha rei.

But Hitler never ever wanted permanent peace with the Soviets (he wanted parts of their territory and aping the UK in acquiring colonies) and Stalin still wanted his world revolution. War was only a matter of time.

I am not 'writing off' Poland, in fact currently they are the largest group European foreigners in the Netherlands doing construction work and picking flowers against prices Dutch prefer to do other work.

[9/11-investigator]

What would he have been hiding from?

Deportation to the East. And that's what finally happened to them as they were betrayed.

[9/11-investigator]

What's the problem with turning the europeans into a minority in their own lands?

So you don't mind if Israel opens it's borders for just anyone, like Palestinians.

[Twiler]

So you don't mind if Israel opens it's borders for just anyone, like Palestinians.

Yes, I don't mind.

And what's the problem with a Muslim PM? The post should be open to anyone, regardless of religion.

[Uzzy]

Poland's been around since 966, in one shape or another. For you to suggest that because it didn't exist as an independent state in 1914 excuses the German and Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 is writing off the right for Poland to exist as an independent nation. But hey, as you're a Nazi, that's almost expected.

I'm curious. Which camp were the German-Jewish family your Grandfather sheltered deported to?

[Uzzy]

Yes, I don't mind.

And what's the problem with a Muslim PM? The post should be open to anyone, regardless of religion.

Michael Howard, the Tory leader during the 2005 Elections, was (and still is, of course) Jewish. I'm sure the Nazi was terrified of the prospect of him becoming PM.

[Redtail]

If you oppose mass-immigration than that makes you a racist and we are going to call you a Nazi.

That doesn't answer the question.

[Stray Cat]

Nazi-Germany never wanted war with Western Europe, it was forced upon them by Churchill.
Ah sorry I didn't realise that Churchill forced Hitler to build up his army in contravention of the ageement reached at the end of WW1.
I also don't remember Churchill invading any neighbouring countries.

It's obvious that Bolshevism never posed a threat according to Stray Cat. The Soviet-Union was heaven on earth according to our non_Aristocat. An opinion he shares with the majority of the NWO-ers on the forum. No surprises her.
Mmmm again I don't remember any Bolshy Bombers destroying vast areas of London, Coventry etc and exactly how large was the Soviet Union's invasion of Europe? they hardly had enough military strength to defend their own borders let alone make an attack.

[Stray Cat]

Balony. Until 1800 the average European never traveled further away from his birth place than 8 miles.
Were the Vikings not European?
Were the Saxons not European?
Were the Romans not Europen?
Were the Spanish not Europen?

Wow 8 miles... then how did all those invaders get to the UK?
Or any of the other countries they colonised?

[ddt]

My grandfather had a German-Jewish family hiding for a year.

Deportation to the East. And that's what finally happened to them as they were betrayed.

And after that? Did they survive? Come on, don't be shy!

Or post their name here, so we can look it up for you on the digital monument (http://www.joodsmonument.nl/).

[ddt]

In a fairly recent interview the director of the Dutch immigration service IND confessed that of the 100 assylum applications some 98 need to be considered fake. They try to escape the poverty of their own lands (the poverty being the direct result of their god given modest abilities) and come here in endless numbers.
Evidence? Link?

[Thunder]

Ah sorry I didn't realise that Churchill forced Hitler to build up his army in contravention of the ageement reached at the end of WW1.
I also don't remember Churchill invading any neighbouring countries.


Mmmm again I don't remember any Bolshy Bombers destroying vast areas of London, Coventry etc and exactly how large was the Soviet Union's invasion of Europe? they hardly had enough military strength to defend their own borders let alone make an attack.

I'm curious as to why Nazi Germany wanted war against its eastern neighbors.

oh yes, I forgot, Lebensraum. And to rid the world of Jews and Poles.

[BNRT]

In a fairly recent interview the director of the Dutch immigration service IND confessed that of the 100 assylum applications some 98 need to be considered fake. They try to escape the poverty of their own lands (the poverty being the direct result of their god given modest abilities) and come here in endless numbers.

Being humane is a good thing but committing sociocide is a crime towards your own children. Help yes but not to the extent of committing suicide.

So you DO consider it their own fault if someone is born in a country with a lot less opportunities than Holland. That makes you a sad, sad person in my eyes. Also, explain to me exactly why we should keep Dutch culture 'pure'. Do we really need Frans Bauer, Gerard Joling, windmills, wooden shoes and pot? Should we also get rid of all US influences?

Things change.

So quit whining.

[9/11-investigator]

Yes, I don't mind.

And what's the problem with a Muslim PM? The post should be open to anyone, regardless of religion.

I have a different opinion. And since we live in a democracy there is no problem with diverging opinions.

[dudalb]

Funny, I seem to remember that the only real threat to Europe in the last century were the Nazis.

Luckily we wooped their ass... sadly it looks like we didn't do a good enough job.


I would say THe Soviets were also a pretty good threat.

[9/11-investigator]

Michael Howard, the Tory leader during the 2005 Elections, was (and still is, of course) Jewish. I'm sure the Nazi was terrified of the prospect of him becoming PM.

No. As I said before Britain is the only 'European' country I would like to see removed from the EU; becoming muslim would help greatly. Long live UKIP!. I am the guy from the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis (http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/archives/vol4no4/mo-boreas.html), remember. Britain has been a pain in the neck for 5 centuries. Let Howard (or Milliband) finish the job for us in the same way their palls are running the US currently into the ground, so that the vision of general de Gaulle finally can be realized. You're doing a good job, carry on!

[9/11-investigator]

No, you being a Nazi makes you a Nazi. Opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit.

A Nazi Twit? Fascinating insights.

[Stray Cat]

I would say THe Soviets were also a pretty good threat.
I think the years of the cold war kind of proved they weren't.

[9/11-investigator]

Ah sorry I didn't realise that Churchill forced Hitler to build up his army in contravention of the ageement reached at the end of WW1.

'Agreement reached' is good.

I also don't remember Churchill invading any neighbouring countries.

What does that say over your memory? England had invaded just about any country it could lay their hands on. No problems of course for Stray Cat. Famous British perfidy (quote David Irving). The UK controlled 25% of the planets territory, the largest empire ever. The Americans (lousy imperialists according to Buchanan) can only dream of that. And so can the present day 'Lads'. And Churchill, the largest desaster that ever befell Britain, waisted it all unnecessary. And the Lads choose him as man of the century, what a joke.

Mmmm again I don't remember any Bolshy Bombers destroying vast areas of London, Coventry etc and exactly how large was the Soviet Union's invasion of Europe? they hardly had enough military strength to defend their own borders let alone make an attack.

You do know, but probably don't want to know, that it was the Brits that started bombing German civilian targets and that finally Hitler had to react reluctantly. He never wanted war with Britain, whom he considered his 'racial brothers' (a too great a compliment if you ask me).

[9/11-investigator]

I think the years of the cold war kind of proved they weren't.

Maybe this little MAD concept was the reason for the stalemate?

[Uzzy]

No. As I said before Britain is the only 'European' country I would like to see removed from the EU; becoming muslim would help greatly. Long live UKIP!. I am the guy from the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis (http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/archives/vol4no4/mo-boreas.html), remember. Britain has been a pain in the neck for 5 centuries. Let Howard (or Milliband) finish the job for us in the same way their palls are running the US currently into the ground, so that the vision of general de Gaulle finally can be realized. You're doing a good job, carry on!

I think you're just upset that the British and Americans crushed your Nazi heroes in Europe. Nazis are always very good at whining.

Oh, and by the way, which camp was the German Jewish family your grandfather sheltered taken to?

[9/11-investigator]

Were the Vikings not European?
Were the Saxons not European?
Were the Romans not Europen?
Were the Spanish not Europen?

Wow 8 miles... then how did all those invaders get to the UK?
Or any of the other countries they colonised?

Put on your glasses, I said average European.

[Uzzy]

You do know, but probably don't want to know, that it was the Brits that started bombing German civilian targets and that finally Hitler had to react reluctantly. He never wanted war with Britain, whom he considered his 'racial brothers' (a too great a compliment if you ask me).

Didn't we take you to school over this on the other thread? The Nazis practised Area Bombing of Civilians in the opening salvo of their war of aggression. They started bombing UK civilian targets first. They started using incendiaries to burn us all out.

[Twiler]

I have a different opinion. And since we live in a democracy there is no problem with diverging opinions.

So, you concede that you have no actual proof that a Muslim PM represents a threat to Europe?

[Stray Cat]

Put on your glasses, I said average European.
Well the average German didn't kill millions of Jews either... just a small minority of Germans did that infact... but I wasn't talking about the average European, I was talking about the hundreds of Europeans that invaded each others countries and assimilated into the population creating a diverse gene pool.

And I think at this point, I duck out of this discussion because it will inevitably serve no purpose with a small minded Nazi except to provide him with a platform on which to spread his skewed views.

[Uninvolved]

Political "discussions" usually become shouting matches, but this particular one dwarfs most others. Not only that the "contributions" have nothing to do with the opening subject, and everybody (except 9/11-investigator, of course) finds "nazi" a useful argument, but most posters seem to be under drug influence. How else can one explain for example

Well the average German didn't kill millions of Jews either

(in response to Until 1800 the average European never traveled further away from his birth place than 8 miles)

another example:

No, you being a Nazi makes you a Nazi. Opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit

I wonder if the intellectual level is really so low on this forum, or if 9/11-investigator touches some very sore nerves.

[Uzzy]

This is not a political 'discussion'. This is one side who has reality on their side talking to a few Nazis who do not.

[MaGZ]

The financial aspects (reparations/Swiss banks/Israel, etc) don't interest me at all. Let alone any form of physical revenge.

I am only interested in the cultural (spiritual if you like) effects of a soft landing of the holocaust. The holocaust is the holy grail of the NWO. Once it is smashed, the smashing of the NWO can begin and make room for a new NWO, the one described/predicted by Samuel Huntington: a multipolar world divided in 8 spheres of cultural/racial/religious influence.

I'm curious by what you mean "a soft landing of the Holocaust"? The way I see it more and more people will continue doubt the Jews and their lies. I have been following this topic since 1969 when the first book "Myth of the Six Million" came out. Today entire regions of the world and important leaders are Holocaust skeptics.

The more propaganda the Jews produce the more thinking people ask why?

[Uninvolved]

This is not a political 'discussion'. This is one side who has reality on their side talking to a few Nazis who do not.
Well, your you being a Nazi makes you a Nazi certainly does not cut the mustard as discussion, except among small children, perhaps.

Regarding "reality": what kind of reality does for example your opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit reflect? Did you know, that the population density in the Netherlands is higher than in any other country in Europe, except for Monaco, with about 14% from places like Indonesia, Turkey, Morocco? What makes you think you are talking for the citizens of Netherlands?

[MaGZ]

What are you implying, Parky, by posting those Dutch nazi propaganda posters? Do you think it says something about the Dutch that the occupiers of our country had those things made? By the way, Dutch nazi-sympathizers were hugely outnumbered by those who helped the resistance. In my family alone, both my grandfathers helped the resistance, a great-uncle of mine helped many jews hide from the Germans and was tortured and killed for it. Many people I know have similar family backgrounds. People like this 9/11-investigator deeply disgust me. But fortunately nazi-sympathizers like him are, as was the case in WW2, a small minority.

Sure, everyone's family was in the resistance.

Fact is, there were volunteers for the SS from every country in Europe with the possible exception of Poland.

[Thunder]

Oi!! Der Oberfuhrer ist zuruckgekommen!!

[Thunder]

The more propaganda the Jews produce the more thinking people ask why?

Ja, wir müssen die Juden abschaffen!!!

[MaGZ]

BS. There were some 30,000 active resistance fighters during the war (500,000 after the war). My grandfather had a German-Jewish family hiding for a year.



Again, BS, I only refuse to accept all the propaganda anymore as it is being used to destroy my society. Hence my comments.

Then you should start a Dutch version of Metapedia.
http://www.metapedia.org/

[MaGZ]

Ah sorry I didn't realise that Churchill forced Hitler to build up his army in contravention of the ageement reached at the end of WW1.
I also don't remember Churchill invading any neighbouring countries.

Churchill wanted to invade Norway but the Germans beat him to it.

[Pardalis]

I'd like to thank Oliver for starting this useless thread, really, it was a swell idea. :rolleyes:

[Uzzy]

Well, your you being a Nazi makes you a Nazi certainly does not cut the mustard as discussion, except among small children, perhaps.

Regarding "reality": what kind of reality does for example your opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit reflect? Did you know, that the population density in the Netherlands is higher than in any other country in Europe, except for Monaco, with about 14% from places like Indonesia, Turkey, Morocco? What makes you think you are talking for the citizens of Netherlands?

As I said, this isn't a discussion. 9/11 Investigator has shown quite clearly that he is a Nazi, not only on this thread but others. Frankly, his denial of the Holocaust puts him into that bracket single-handedly, even without his nutty views on immigration and race.

Your strawman that I'm somehow 'talking for citizens of the Netherlands' hardly cuts the mustard in debate either. When I speak, it's for myself. Now, if 9/11 Investigator's views on immigration were based on rational things, along with facts and figures, then maybe I wouldn't call him a twit. But they aren't.

[gtc]

I'd like to thank Oliver for starting this useless thread, really, it was a swell idea. :rolleyes:

I like the way the title misleadingly presents the hypothetical basis of the thread 'what if he is correct?' as if it was true 'he is correct'.

[Uninvolved]

9/11 Investigator has shown quite clearly that he is a Nazi, not only on this thread but others. Frankly, his denial of the Holocaust puts him into that bracket single-handedly
Do you mind posting your definition of "Nazi"?

Your strawman that I'm somehow 'talking for citizens of the Netherlands' hardly cuts the mustard in debate either. When I speak, it's for myself
Only for yourself? Does your Opposing mass-immigration just makes you a twit relate to your foreign visitors, or how did you mean that?

[GreNME]

I find some of the posts here amusing. To 9/11 Investigator: it really doesn't matter how intelligently you try to phrase it, what you're saying still amounts to "I don't like those darkies, camel jockeys, and Christ-killers living on my lands." You yourself in a post earlier in this thread pointed out that things change-- apparently, this is an idea you're only comfortable with if your own prejudices remain unaffected or are forwarded.

[Uninvolved]

Ah sorry I didn't realise that Churchill forced Hitler to build up his army in contravention of the ageement reached at the end of WW1
There is much nonsense on this thread, which does not deserve any debate, but this point does, for it is a popular misconception.

1. There was no agreement at the end of WWI; it was a dictat of the liars.

2. That dictat contained provisions for disarming to such low level, which would ensure that no aggression occurs. Instead, the countries around Germany armed more and more. Germany sued for the realization of the disarmament years long without success; that was the reason of armament.

I also don't remember Churchill invading any neighbouring countries
You will be surprized by this: it was Churchill's decision to invade Norway (the first invasion of a neutral country during WWII), but Hitler was listening and acted faster. This happened after England already violated Norway's neutrality.

Mmmm again I don't remember any Bolshy Bombers destroying vast areas of London, Coventry
Mmmm again. Did Germany start bombing England, not the other way around?

exactly how large was the Soviet Union's invasion of Europe? they hardly had enough military strength to defend their own borders let alone make an attack.
More surprizes are coming.

1. the armament of the Soviet Union was on a higher level than that of Germany (the soldiers' skills made the difference),

2. even Russian historiker say (for it is proven), that Stalin had planned the invasion of Germany; it could have happened within a few months (some say within a few weeks). Hitler said that he could not sleep for a long time for fearing that Stalin makes the first move, and he was right.

[Stray Cat]

There is much nonsense on this thread, which does not deserve any debate, but this point does, for it is a popular misconception. etc. etc. etc.
Apparently 'Uninvolved' is a reference to your participation in historical research.
And i'm still not going to participate in this discussion any longer, most here will already know you misrepresent the facts and there's no point in me pointing that out to you either.

[Uninvolved]

you misrepresent the facts and there's no point in me pointing that out to you either.
Do you mean you did find misrepresentations of the facts? Come on, don't let me in the dark. If you can prove that a statement of mine above is incorrect, I don't post it any more (neither here nor elsewhere) - I mean it in earnest.

And i'm still not going to participate in this discussion any longer
Obviously posting that someone is "misrepresenting the facts" without any specifics is not participating in a discussion.

[ddt]

Do you mean you did find misrepresentations of the facts? Come on, don't let me in the dark. If you can prove that a statement of mine above is incorrect, I don't post it any more (neither here nor elsewhere) - I mean it in earnest.
Translation: you move on to misrepresenting another fact?


Obviously posting that someone is "misrepresenting the facts" without any specifics is not participating in a discussion.
Anyone with some basic knowledge of the history of the period can spot the misrepresentations. You're just a badly disguised Nazi apologist, and the way you try to disguise it is even viler than the ways of Holocaust deniers.

[dudalb]

There is much nonsense on this thread, which does not deserve any debate, but this point does, for it is a popular misconception.

1. There was no agreement at the end of WWI; it was a dictat of the liars.

2. That dictat contained provisions for disarming to such low level, which would ensure that no aggression occurs. Instead, the countries around Germany armed more and more. Germany sued for the realization of the disarmament years long without success; that was the reason of armament.


You will be surprized by this: it was Churchill's decision to invade Norway (the first invasion of a neutral country during WWII), but Hitler was listening and acted faster. This happened after England already violated Norway's neutrality.


Mmmm again. Did Germany start bombing England, not the other way around?


More surprizes are coming.

1. the armament of the Soviet Union was on a higher level than that of Germany (the soldiers' skills made the difference),

2. even Russian historiker say (for it is proven), that Stalin had planned the invasion of Germany; it could have happened within a few months (some say within a few weeks). Hitler said that he could not sleep for a long time for fearing that Stalin makes the first move, and he was right.


I can see where this guy is going.
BTW the "Stalin was going to invade Germany" is hogwash. Suvorov, the historian pushing this, has a long history of pretty questionable opinions.
And as my posting history here sjpws, I am no friend of Stalin, who is Hitler's main competitor (along with Mao) for the title of Greatest Mass Murderer of all time.

[Trojan]

Nazi-Germany never wanted war with Western Europe, it was forced upon them by Churchill.

It's obvious that Bolshevism never posed a threat according to Stray Cat. The Soviet-Union was heaven on earth according to our non_Aristocat. An opinion he shares with the majority of the NWO-ers on the forum. No surprises her.


Since Churchill did not come to power until May 1940, how exactly did he force this war on England and France?

(or did you just copy and paste from a revisionist site?)

[Uninvolved]

I can see where this guy is going.
BTW the "Stalin was going to invade Germany" is hogwash
It requires a huge dose of brain washing detergent to believe, that Stalin was not out for the war with Germany. This subject deserves its own discussion.

[Uninvolved]

Anyone with some basic knowledge of the history of the period can spot the misrepresentations
Yes, I see that there are some here; unfortunately all are very secretive.

You're just a badly disguised Nazi apologist, and the way you try to disguise it is even viler than the ways of Holocaust deniers.
Do you get extra shares of Holocaust Inc. for your postings?

[Ikarus]

Anyone with some basic knowledge of the history of the period can spot the misrepresentations. You're just a badly disguised Nazi apologist, and the way you try to disguise it is even viler than the ways of Holocaust deniers.

Can I claim a bad argument here, without picking sides?
(Argumentum ad populum)

But to break the cycle of "oh but anybody who knows anything about this knows you're wrong", let's have a contest that I like to call "whoever brings the best evidence"!

Annnnd go!

But perhaps there is already a thread for it, or it should be in a separate thread. You decide, it's your beef, not mine, to be honest.

[Uninvolved]

Since Churchill did not come to power until May 1940, how exactly did he force this war on England and France?

Though Churchill was the First Lord of the Admiralty from 1939-09-03 (and he caused Chamberlain's fall in his quality as the First Lord), he did not contribute to the outbreak of the war as a member of the government.

However, he did contribute a lot to the general sentiment:

We will force Hitler in a war no matter if he wants it or not (1936)

Germany is getting too strong; we must smash her (1936)

The one pulling the strings behind the scenes was Roosevelt; Chamberlain and Daladier were only statists, as was Hitler (but the latter did not know this). For example, according to Joe Kennedy, Roosevelt's former Ambassador to Great Britain,

Chamberlain stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war

There are many proofs, that Roosevelt was not only yearning after the war but actively contributed to it.

[dudalb]

So now the Hatred for the Jews begins to come out. Not like 99% of the people here were not expecting it.....

[Chaos]

Can I claim a bad argument here, without picking sides?
(Argumentum ad populum)

But to break the cycle of "oh but anybody who knows anything about this knows you're wrong", let's have a contest that I like to call "whoever brings the best evidence"!

Annnnd go!

But perhaps there is already a thread for it, or it should be in a separate thread. You decide, it's your beef, not mine, to be honest.

We´ve been waiting for evidence to be presented by Holocaust Deniers for 60 years now. None has been provided. Draw your own conclusions from that.

[dafydd]

So now the Hatred for the Jews begins to come out. Not like 99% of the people here were not expecting it.....

Yes,it has all the inevitability of a Greek tragedy.

[Trojan]

Though Churchill was the First Lord of the Admiralty from 1939-09-03 (and he caused Chamberlain's fall in his quality as the First Lord), he did not contribute to the outbreak of the war as a member of the government.

However, he did contribute a lot to the general sentiment:

We will force Hitler in a war no matter if he wants it or not (1936)

Germany is getting too strong; we must smash her (1936)

The one pulling the strings behind the scenes was Roosevelt; Chamberlain and Daladier were only statists, as was Hitler (but the latter did not know this). For example, according to Joe Kennedy, Roosevelt's former Ambassador to Great Britain,

Chamberlain stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war

There are many proofs, that Roosevelt was not only yearning after the war but actively contributed to it.

The claim is Churchill forced war on the West - please provide evidence that he did so or concede the point that he did not. Actions prior to September 1939 would be the only actions relevant.

[9/11-investigator]

Since Churchill did not come to power until May 1940, how exactly did he force this war on England and France?

(or did you just copy and paste from a revisionist site?)

You are probably referring to the so-called 'Phony War', the period that not much happened after the declaration of war of France and Britain after Hitler took back his land that was stolen from Germany by the Allies in Versailles. Churchill was not PM then. But it was Churchill who pushed for real war in Western Europe by advocating an invasion in Norway in order to cut off vital supplies to Germany from neutral Sweden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Bitter_beginnings_of_the_war
Churchill advocated the pre-emptive occupation of the neutral Norwegian iron-ore port of Narvik and the iron mines in Kiruna, Sweden, early in the war. However, Chamberlain and the rest of the War Cabinet disagreed.

It was Churchill who consistently advocated for war against Germany. The Germans, for obvious reasons, had no interest at all in a 2 front war, considering the experiences of WW1.

And Irving makes it plausible that Churchill was bought by a group of mainly Jewish financiers (the Focus) around 1936.

Writes Buchanan about Churchill in his latest book (p367): Before the whole world Churchill greeted the Soviets as fellow freedom fighters protecting their own liberties and democracy. Reading it today, one becomes slightly nauseated by Churchills words. That's Churchill for you: kissing up to the greatest mass murderers of all time just to earn a few shekels. The 'man of the century' according to the Jewish owned Weekly Standard. No surprises here. Churchill, the best politician Jewish money can buy.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html
The Focus was financed by a slush fund set up by some of London's wealthiest businessmen. Principally, businessmen organized by the Board of Jewish Deputies in England, whose chairman was a man called Sir Bemard Waley Cohen. Sir Bernard Waley Cohen held a private dinner party at his apartment on July 29, 1936. This is in Waley Cohen's memoirs ... The 29th of July, 1936, Waley Cohen set up a slush fund of 50,000 pounds for The Focus, the Churchill pressure group. Now, 50,000 pounds in 1936, multiply that by ten, at least, to get today's figures. By another three or four to multiply that into Canadian dollars. So, 40 times 50,000 pounds -- about $2 million in Canadian terms -- was given by Bernard Waley Cohen to this secret pressure group of Churchill in July 1936. The purpose was, the tune that Churchill had to play was, fight Germany. Start warning the world about Gennany, about Nazi Germany. Churchill, of course, one of our most brilliant orators, a magnificent writer, did precisely that.

And this is the way politics works in Anglosphere today. Think of Lord Levy behind Blair, the Jewish Chicago businessmen who made Obama, sir Ronald Cohen behind Gordon Brown and the list goes on and on. Bought and paid for.

[9/11-investigator]

We´ve been waiting for evidence to be presented by Holocaust Deniers for 60 years now. None has been provided. Draw your own conclusions from that.

But you have not provided proof that it happened in 30 pages of the thread. And since you are the accuser you have to provide evidence. Saying that the holocaust happened just because the Soviets said so is not good enough.

And now Parky chickened out as well. Not a very pretty sight.

[Twiler]

Aren't you accusing a large number of people of being liars and/or fools? Given that the holocaust is widely accepted, you bear the burden of proof.

[Thunder]

Chamberlain stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war

Do you hate Jewish people?

What could you possible have against this cute little guy?

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2066/144/28/567160737/s567160737_1775063_5611.jpg

[9/11-investigator]

Aren't you accusing a large number of people of being liars and/or fools? Given that the holocaust is widely accepted, you bear the burden of proof.

So I should become a muslim and recognize the truth of the Kuran since Islam is 'widely accepted'?

[Thunder]

Aren't you accusing a large number of people of being liars and/or fools? Given that the holocaust is widely accepted, you bear the burden of proof.

Well, clearly the Holocaust-deniers aren't accusing ALL Jews or even ALL death camp and concentration camp survivors of lying. That would be insane and impossible to prove.

They are instead accusing der Ober-Juden of lying.

So, who are these head-Jews who made up the Holocaust story, fixed all the census data from 1929 through 1948, and knowingly peddle the Holocaust lie today?

What are the names of these Jews who know they are lying about the good and decent National-Socialists?

[Twiler]

So I should become a muslim and recognize the truth of the Kuran since Islam is 'widely accepted'?

I do not think that Islam is widely accepted in the same sense that the holocaust is widely accepted.

Rather, I think that Islam is in the same category as the holocaust deniers, a vocal minority.

In addition, you would not be required to accept the truth of the Quran if all existing experts advocated it, but you would have the burden of truth upon you when arguing against it. Your analogy went a little astray there.

[Uninvolved]

Do you hate Jewish people?
I am not speaking for Chamberlain.

What could you possible have against this cute little guy?
Removed breach of Rule 12

[Budly]

So, who are these head-Jews who made up the Holocaust story, fixed all the census data from 1929 through 1948, and knowingly peddle the Holocaust lie today?

What are the names of these Jews who know they are lying about the good and decent National-Socialists?

Elie Wiesel, Adolf Berman, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Hillel Kook, Joseph Thon, etc.

The "holocaust as myth" puts forth the notion that European Jews emigrated to Israel. So the census data would come from there. Do you think Israel would really be completely honest about census data if the holocaust were a hoax? And how else would an almanac get such info? Send their own researchers into the new Jewish country of Israel and count themselves? Does Benjamin Netanyahu look "middle eastern" to you? Did Ariel Sharon? If you want to see what middle eastern looks like, see Saddam Hussein or Yasser Arafat. They look middle eastern. Did European Jews go to Israel? Yes. But none dare call it colonialism.

[Twiler]

Elie Wiesel, Adolf Berman, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Hillel Kook, Joseph Thon, etc.

The "holocaust as myth" puts forth the notion that European Jews emigrated to Israel. So the census data would come from there. Do you think Israel would really be completely honest about census data if the holocaust were a hoax? And how else would an almanac get such info?

Based on what's happened so far, the deniers will respond to this by saying something along the lines of:

'Sigh, sigh, such stupidity, we have proved you wrong 20 times already why is this debate proceeding, do the enemies of outstanding people have such a grasp on the world, see the works of these very specific historians, open your eyes and do a good day's work.'

[ddt]

Yes, I see that there are some here; unfortunately all are very secretive.
Asking "innocent" questions in a Holocaust denier thread is the hallmark of a denier.


Do you get extra shares of Holocaust Inc. for your postings?
You have a problem with the Holocaust? Feel free to air. You must be yearning to air it as you're replying to a post which didn't involve the Holocaust at all.

[ddt]

Based on what's happened so far, the deniers will respond to this by saying something along the lines of:

Just for the record: Budly is also a denier. See this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151218) over in CT.

So, let's tally, I think we have all known Holocaust deniers here:
- 9/11 investigator, who is open in his denial
- Budly, who is not denierbud from youtube and holocaustdenialvideos.com
- Uninvolved, who is "just asking innocent questions"
- MaGZ and Mondial, the old-timers

[Twiler]

Just for the record: Budly is also a denier. See this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151218) over in CT.

So, let's tally, I think we have all known Holocaust deniers here:
- 9/11 investigator, who is open in his denial
- Budly, who is not denierbud from youtube and holocaustdenialvideos.com
- Uninvolved, who is "just asking innocent questions"
- MaGZ and Mondial, the old-timers

Huh? Is he being duplicitous, or is his post pro-denial in a way I don't understand?

[dudalb]

So far this thread has produced zero evidence that the Holocuast Never happened, but a lot of evidence that Anti Semitism, pure and simple, is the basic motivation for Holocaust Deniers.

[dudalb]

Just for the record: Budly is also a denier. See this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151218) over in CT.

So, let's tally, I think we have all known Holocaust deniers here:
- 9/11 investigator, who is open in his denial
- Budly, who is not denierbud from youtube and holocaustdenialvideos.com
- Uninvolved, who is "just asking innocent questions"
- MaGZ and Mondial, the old-timers

In the Conspiracy Theory section, the tactic of 9/11 Truthers or other Conspiracy Kooks ,when they first come on to the board to say "I am not a 9/11 Truther, but I just have a few questions..." is so common we have have a term for it: JAQing off, with the JAQ Standing for "Just Asking Questions".

[ddt]

Huh? Is he being duplicitous, or is his post pro-denial in a way I don't understand?

His first "witness" is Elie Wiesel, who is indeed known for grandstanding and exaggerating. Don't know about the rest. Furthermore, he's trying to claim that Israel falsifies census data in order to get to +/- 6 million missing Jews.

[Uninvolved]

Asking "innocent" questions in a Holocaust denier thread is the hallmark of a denier
You repeatedly demonstrated, that you are challenged by comprehending the course of discussion. FYI: I made some statements in the post #125.

My innocent question must have been asking Stray Cat to point out my "misrepresenting the facts".

Got it or do I need to explain it even slower?

You have a problem with the Holocaust?

No, but I have a beef with arrogant Holocaust shareholders, who are carrying the Holocaust as a cudgel, attached to a credit card.

[Twiler]

[snip]

No, but I have a beef with arrogant Holocaust shareholders, who are carrying the Holocaust as a cudgel, attached to a credit card.

So you concede that the holocaust occurred?

[Uninvolved]

His first "witness" is Elie Wiesel, who is indeed known for grandstanding and exaggerating
I knew he is a liar and a fraudster, but is he grandstanding as well? In what context?

[ddt]

You repeatedly demonstrated, that you are challenged by comprehending the course of discussion. FYI: I made some statements in the post #125.

My innocent question must have been asking Stray Cat to point out my "misrepresenting the facts".

Got it or do I need to explain it even slower?
And I have no intention of going that way.


No, but I have a beef with arrogant Holocaust shareholders, who are carrying the Holocaust as a cudgel, attached to a credit card.
You have no problem with the Holocaust. So you agree it happened, and you're glad for it?

[Uninvolved]

So you concede that the holocaust occurred?
I never denied it; however, your definition may vary from my one. See #1244 and following in the thread "9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust".

[Thunder]

I never denied it; however, your definition may vary from my one. See #1244 and following in the thread "9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust".

You know, it is possible to believe that Holocaust occured, AND believe that certain groups have pushed the guilt trips and law-suits and pro-Zionist propaganda too far.

I personally acknowledge the Holocaust, but also think the law suits need to end, and the attempt to link Holocaust remembrance with supporting right-wing Israeli agendas is very very disgusting.

[Uninvolved]

And I have no intention of going that way

You posted earlier

Anyone with some basic knowledge of the history of the period can spot the misrepresentations

i.e. you have no intention to explain your accusation. Your spinelessness is noticable even among this bunch of Holocaust activists.

[Thunder]

You posted earlier



i.e. you have no intention to explain your accusation. Your spinelessness is noticable even among this bunch of Holocaust activists.

please attempt to debunk the fact that all reliable census data shows a decrease of at least 5 million Jews between 1938 and 1945.

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_408.html

[Uninvolved]

i.e. you have no intention to explain your accusation. Your spinelessness is noticable even among this bunch of Holocaust activists.

please attempt to debunk the fact that all reliable census data shows a decrease of at least 5 million Jews between 1938 and 1945
Parky, again! My post was addressed to ddt and it had nothing to do with the number of Jewish victims; in fact, it had nothing to do with the Holocaust at all!

Pls see my post #125 in this very thread; that is the origin of this particular dispute.

[ddt]

i.e. you have no intention to explain your accusation. Your spinelessness is noticable even among this bunch of Holocaust activists.

Apropos spinelessness, do you care to answer my question:

You have no problem with the Holocaust. So you agree it happened, and you're glad for it?
or otherwise explain your stand on the Holocaust?

[Thunder]

Parky, again! My post was addressed to ddt and it had nothing to do with the number of Jewish victims;

yeah? so what.

i asked you a question.

[ddt]

Parky, again! My post was addressed to ddt and it had nothing to do with the number of Jewish victims; in fact, it had nothing to do with the Holocaust at all!

Pls see my post #125 in this very thread; that is the origin of this particular dispute.
Which didn't involve the Holocaust, yet, in your follow-up to my reaction you introduced the Holocaust. How can you blame parky for thinking you can't wait to discuss the Holocaust?

Come on, are you afraid of the topic?

Tell us, how many Jews were killed by the Nazis in the Holocaust?

[Thunder]

Tell us, how many Jews were killed by the Nazis in the Holocaust?

Why would the Germans kill Jews? The Germans are good, honest, gentle people. They would never kill Jews.

..even though the Jews had it coming.

[Trojan]

You are probably referring to the so-called 'Phony War', the period that not much happened after the declaration of war of France and Britain after Hitler took back his land that was stolen from Germany by the Allies in Versailles.

Was Germany at war with France and Britian in September 1939 - yes or no? If so, how did Churchill force these three nations to war when he had no political authority?

[dafydd]

So I should become a muslim and recognize the truth of the Kuran since Islam is 'widely accepted'?

No,you should become a tolerant human being.

[9/11-investigator]

Was Germany at war with France and Britian in September 1939 - yes or no? If so, how did Churchill force these three nations to war when he had no political authority?

I realy have to spell it out for you. I repeat: there was a declaration of war. But there was no war. What part don't you understand?

BTW, I was thinking lately. Why would a hardcore holocaustian like you take a bicyle and drive to the local library to find this Red Cross report? Is there doubt creeping in Trojan? :D

[Twiler]

I realy have to spell it out for you. I repeat: there was a declaration of war. But there was no war. What part don't you understand?

BTW, I was thinking lately. Why would a hardcore holocaustian like you take a bicyle and drive to the local library to find this Red Cross report? Is there doubt creeping in Trojan? :D

Why are you trying to convince other people about holocaust denial? Is it because you doubt?

No, it's because you're an anti-intellectual who thinks that holding a controversial opinion makes you clever.

[9/11-investigator]

Why are you trying to convince other people about holocaust denial? Is it because you doubt?

No, it's because you're an anti-intellectual who thinks that holding a controversial opinion makes you clever.

I don't want to convince anybody. Instead I like a good verbal fight since I believe that truth emerges best from a verbal fight. It's how the truth finding courts operate.

[Caustic Logic]

Good God, don't you understand what is to be gained for a dying European Civilization if it can be shown that this Holocaust was largely a fraud...

Lol. What's with you and your ridiculously hypothetical questions? Oh yeah, borrowing from the OP in this case anyway.

I could not care less about getting attention from you folks.

Well you sure aren't trying hard to avoid it, coming here and spewing provocative anti-rational HD garbage and arguing heedlessly (but provocatively!) in circles just like so many other habitual time-wasters. No, you have to be at least neutral on getting the forum's attention.

I only say this because I must first address you once in order to properly put you on ignore as well. Good luck panicking "Western Civiilization" into erasing and then re-doing the holocaust (mentally at least).

Parky: The baby picture - just subjecting that cute little guy to 'Gator's diseaesd glare is creepy to me. FYI. The ignore approach was better, don't backslide, man!

[Slayhamlet]

I don't want to convince anybody. Instead I like a good verbal fight since I believe that truth emerges best from a verbal fight. It's how the truth finding courts operate.

In other words, you're an anti-intellectual. Thanks for clearing that up.

Incidentally, "truth finding" courts don't allow liars to present false evidence without consequence, viz. David Irving v. Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt. Maybe "twoof finding" courts do, though.

[buka001]

I realy have to spell it out for you. I repeat: there was a declaration of war. But there was no war. What part don't you understand?

BTW, I was thinking lately. Why would a hardcore holocaustian like you take a bicyle and drive to the local library to find this Red Cross report? Is there doubt creeping in Trojan? :D

The Red cross report? Whoops I suggest you should have checked on this source before you copied and pasted it on here as proof to your claims.

The "Red Cross Report" as you call it, was misrepresented and nit picked and twisted to add weight to Richard Harwood's infamous paper. He ignored critical sections of the original ICRC 1948 report. Key misiniterpretations by Harwood of this report include:

1) The notion that the gas chambers were disguised as showers, Harwood disputed this, by referencing articles where ICRC officials inspected bathing facilities. This was used to argue that the showers were just showers and were not an instrument of death. However the passage Harwood cited is in reference to Allied camps for civilians in Egypt and thus had nothing to do with Nazi gas chambers.

2) Harwood also cited an article from Die Tat, a Swiss tabloid newspaper, published statistics that concluded the amount of people who died in Nazi prisons and camps from 1939 to 1945 based on ICRC statistics was "300,000, not all of whom were Jews".

The January 19 1955 edition of Die Tat did indeed give a 300,000 figure, but this was only in reference to "Germans and German Jews" and not nationals of other countries.

In a 1979 response to this pamphlet, the ICRC said that they have "never tried to compile statistics on the victims of the war", nor "certified the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party",and state that the authors of such material have "falsified" both claims that the document originates from the ICRC and refers exclusively to Jews.

As well as in personal correspondence, the ICRC has also addressed this misrepresentation by several other means. In 1975, the ICRC wrote to the Board of Deputies of British Jews in London regarding Harwood's citations, stating:

The figures cited by the author of the booklet are based upon statistics falsely attributed to us, evidently for the purpose of giving them credibility, despite the fact that we never publish information of this kind.

—Françoise Perret, Comité International de la Croix-Rouge, to Jacob Gerwitz, August 22, 1975.

This is a classic example of how cognitive dissonance can force the mind to create its own interpretations of fact and twist it into baseless lies.

So please peddle such theories, it only serves to paint you as a low grade researcheer who keenly copies and pastes false information without conducting any proper self research and verification.

Your post served the purpose of proving to the world how deep your bigotry runs, flowing with an abundance of irrational anti-semitisim and a good dose ignorance.

[drkitten]

I never denied it; however, your definition may vary from my one. See #1244 and following in the thread "9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust".

Yes. Mine is the one in which millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by German state-sponsored action, including the establishment of special extermination camps such as Treblinka and special purpose gas chambers other camps.

I.e the one that actually happened and is supported in the historical record.

The one in which the Nazi high command are mass murderers and neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers are anti-Semitic apologists and accessories after the fact.

In other words, the correct one.

[dafydd]

Referring back to the OP,no he isn't.

[Jontg]

You know, around the time you repeat your fifth worn-out canard, everything you and the rest of these Nazi bastards say just sort of fades out. I'm sure you think you're saying actual words, but all I can hear is tink... tink... tink....

[Thunder]

I don't want to convince anybody. Instead I like a good verbal fight

that's called trolling.

[Uninvolved]

I don't want to convince anybody. Instead I like a good verbal fight that's called trolling.


Parky,

how many posters have you ever seen becoming convinced of the opposite position in a political debate?

[Thunder]

Parky,

how many posters have you ever seen becoming convinced of the opposite position in a political debate?

coming to a internet forum for the soul purpose of arguing..and not educating..is trolling.

[Jontg]

Uninvolved, I and plenty of other people on this forum used to be 9/11 truthers.
And I used to be a Holocaust denier.

[woolfe99]

Uninvolved, I and plenty of other people on this forum used to be 9/11 truthers.
And I used to be a Holocaust denier.

I haven't encountered many ex-HDer's around. Out of curiosity, if you don't mind me asking, was there any one pivotal thing that snapped you out of it?

- woolfe

[Thunder]

Uninvolved, I and plenty of other people on this forum used to be 9/11 truthers.
And I used to be a Holocaust denier.

oh wow...never met one of those before.

i am gonna guess that at some point, you came to the realization that Holocaust-denial is 100% based on bigotry and has nothing to do with evidence or science.

or you spoke to an actual survivor who told you what they saw.

[Jontg]

I got exposed to a good, thorough debunking of my views (namely, that the Soviets had exaggerated the death toll to downplay their own crimes against humanity). That included that old line about the "changing" number of casualties in Auschwitz. I also stopped hanging out with crypto-Libertarian nutballs, and thus stopped being bombarded with their rhetoric, allowing me to do my own research and figure out the truth of the matter for myself.
ETA: Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to spend the rest of the night listening to uplifting music and playing Call of Duty 2.

[Thunder]

I got exposed to a good, thorough debunking of my views (namely, that the Soviets had exaggerated the death toll to downplay their own crimes against humanity). That included that old line about the "changing" number of casualties in Auschwitz. I also stopped hanging out with crypto-Libertarian nutballs, and thus stopped being bombarded with their rhetoric, allowing me to do my own research and figure out the truth of the matter for myself.
ETA: Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to spend the rest of the night listening to uplifting music and playing Call of Duty 2.

Libertarians were Holocaust-deniers? Thats very sad to hear.

I don't get that one. I see no logical connection between being against big government and Jewish conspiracy theories.

[woolfe99]

LOL the crypto-Libertarian nutballs will get you every time. Glad to hear you came to your senses. :)

- woolfe

[woolfe99]

Libertarians were Holocaust-deniers? Thats very sad to hear.

I don't get that one. I see no logical connection between being against big government and Jewish conspiracy theories.

Libertarianism, as in being anti-big government, is not really connected per se. However, libertarianism often (but not always), goes along with isolationism. Isolationism is an occasional ideological springboard to HD, albeit a far less common one than neo-facism and/or anti-semitism.

- woolfe

[Uninvolved]

coming to a internet forum for the soul purpose of arguing..and not educating..is trolling.


I would not say educating. Listening, collecting information and giving some. I don't see 9/11-investigator's posts as fighting for the sake of fighting; he does post lots of information. It is another subject, how much of that is correct, and independently of the correctness, how much of that will be accepted and by whom.

[Chaos]

I would not say educating. Listening, collecting information and giving some. I don't see 9/11-investigator's posts as fighting for the sake of fighting; he does post lots of information. It is another subject, how much of that is correct, and independently of the correctness, how much of that will be accepted and by whom.

He doesn´t post information. He posts demented crap.

This crap is accepted, despite it being fictional, by you and your ilk. It is rejected, because it is fictional and for no other reason, by the rest of us.

[dafydd]

I would not say educating. Listening, collecting information and giving some. I don't see 9/11-investigator's posts as fighting for the sake of fighting; he does post lots of information.It is another subject, how much of that is correct, and independently of the correctness, how much of that will be accepted and by whom.

Information? Rabid nonsense.

[Moss]

You really think that I am after attention from somebody who naively confides: "Its just a place I come to..to pass the time."

Good God, don't you understand what is to be gained for a dying European Civilization if it can be shown that this Holocaust was largely a fraud... and you think that I am craving for Kleinbier like attention from the likes of you? The only real attention I am after is getting tens of thousands of people reading my blog and thus making my little mark on history. I could not care less about getting attention from you folks. You are Schnee von Gestern.

Delusions of Grandeur much?
The poor dying European Civilization was burned down, mowed over and scattered by the European fascists, from Spain to Hungary.
Look at European literature after the Holocaust. the good writers either died or went into exile if they were lucky. What's left was the chaff and the few people who came back and went into mourning.

[Jontg]

Honestly, I doubt I could ever have gone for the long haul as a holocaust denier, or any other conspiracy theorist. I have this... handicap, y'see, called Asperger's Syndrome. It makes it difficult for me to pick up on subtle, unspoken cues, and slang came to me only haltingly in my early life, as I had a propensity to take things a bit literally. So when people told me to think for myself, instead of unthinkingly swallowing their rhetoric and slogans like a healthy adolescent, I misinterpreted the request and began actually thinking for myself. As a result, I took the flawed data I'd received from the sweet n' salty nutbars I hung out with back then and arrived at what, with that data, seemed a rational, minimalist set of paranoid delusions, becoming a libertarian-lite LIHOP who thought global climate change was a real phenomenon spun into a disaster by hysterical laymen, only about 90% of the modern media was banal prolefeed, and the holocaust largely consisted of rounding up a few million people and working them to death. In the end, all it really took was exposure to solid facts to prompt me to do further thinking, which dispelled all of the above notions.
ETA: I'm still a gun nut, though. And I'm still not too keen on Israel.

[Trojan]

I realy have to spell it out for you. I repeat: there was a declaration of war. But there was no war. What part don't you understand?

BTW, I was thinking lately. Why would a hardcore holocaustian like you take a bicyle and drive to the local library to find this Red Cross report? Is there doubt creeping in Trojan? :D

The fact that in your world, somehow being at war does not count as being at war.

The war at sea was certainly very active - does that not count?


BTW - as for the Red Cross, I decided that I wanted to try my hand and see just how badly revisionist do their research. I think I've shown this particular revisionist to be dishonorable to the core.

[9/11-investigator]

Delusions of Grandeur much?

Not really. This blog of mine has 40,000 readers to date:

www.how911wasdone.blogspot.com

Since a few days Henry Makow (Jewish) has put a permanent link to this blog on his site (http://www.henrymakow.com/), resulting in hundreds of hits to my blog every day.

[Moss]

Not really. This blog of mine has 40,000 readers to date:

www.how911wasdone.blogspot.com

Since a few days Henry Makow (Jewish) has put a permanent link to this blog on his site (http://www.henrymakow.com/), resulting in hundreds of hits to my blog every day.

Being jewish and having a Ph D is no proof against paranoid delusions.

[9/11-investigator]

Uninvolved, I and plenty of other people on this forum used to be 9/11 truthers.
And I used to be a Holocaust denier.

Until you realized that those positions are bad for your career after you married your high school sweetheart and all over sudden had 2 kids, a dog, a car and a mortgage.

[Jontg]

Nope, wrong on all counts. Nice try, though--given the sheer number of truthers who are suddenly realizing their lives are more important than their superficial, masturbatory rebellion, you had a statistically-significant chance of connecting with a cheap shot like that.
ETA: Well, technically I do have a dog.
ETA 2: And until you have an actual link, your signature is ********.