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SkepticalScience
15th December 2003, 06:27 AM
Hey All,

I read this in the NewYork Times Magazine on Sunday, and wanted to get your thoughts.

Link
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/magazine/14COINCIDENCE.html

Article
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More than half of Americans believe in ''anomalous phenomena'' like clairvoyance, unexplained coincidence, prayer healing and psychokinesis. Yet mainstream science remains unconvinced. After all, these anomalies appear to fly in the face of everything we know about how mind and matter interact. But that may be about to change. This year, Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, introduced a conceptual model to explain seemingly inexplicable events scientifically.

In 1991, Mayer had her own brush with the anomalous. She was searching for a stolen family possession and, on a dare, turned for help to a man 800 miles away who claimed to be psychic. To her astonishment, he was able to tell her precisely where to find the missing object. Mayer wanted a scientific explanation, and she embarked on a decade of research.

Mayer's research and writings eventually led her to Robert G. Jahn, a science and engineering professor at Princeton. Since 1979, Jahn had amassed a mountain of data demonstrating people's ability to alter the outcome of a random event generator -- essentially a machine designed to replicate a perfect coin toss over and over -- in a minute but statistically significant way.

Comparing the latest research from the fields of neuroscience, psychoanalytic psychology and quantum physics, Mayer and Jahn found some intriguing overlaps. Just as psychologists have spent the last century exploring the unconscious mind, physicists have been exploring that netherworld of physics called intangible dynamics, where string theory and quantum mechanics lurk. Both of these shadow realms violate our everyday understanding of logic and physics, space and time.

Jahn and Mayer say they believe that anomalous phenomena may be a result of some type of information exchange between the unconscious and the intangible. ''Clairvoyance'' may actually be snippets of information from the physical world slipping into the unconscious mind and percolating up into awareness. Moving in the opposite direction, the unconscious mind may have the ability to subtly alter the physical world, explaining Jahn's data using random event generators.

For now, the model is more a way to think about the problem of anomalous phenomena than a solution. ''Though we're still far from having evidence which proves it correct,'' Mayer notes in a public lecture she began giving this year, ''we can find tantalizing grounds on which to find it appealing.''

Ed
15th December 2003, 06:32 AM
They seem to be referencing the longest running paranormal "investigation" in history. I believe that even the principle investigators have disavowed it.

Pure crap wrapped is indecipherable, pseudo-scientific gobbldegook.

The Times should be ashamed.

Jeff Corey
15th December 2003, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by SkepticalScience
Comparing the latest research from the fields of neuroscience, psychoanalytic psychology and quantum physics, Mayer and Jahn found some intriguing overlaps.
Research from psychoanalytic psychology?
I'd nominate this for the Oxymoron of the Month Award.

Mercutio
15th December 2003, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Jeff Corey

Research from psychoanalytic psychology?
I'd nominate this for the Oxymoron of the Month Award.
You beat me to it. It is carp like this that makes people distrust psychology.

BTox
15th December 2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Mercutio

It is carp like this that makes people distrust psychology.

Yes, fish often do that.

PS You have less than 60 minutes! :D

Voob
15th December 2003, 06:58 AM
They even managed to work in
"string theory and quantum mechanics".

Jeff Corey
15th December 2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Mercutio

You beat me to it. It is carp like this that makes people distrust psychology.
I find it pretty fishy myself.
Lox of luck.

Cynical
15th December 2003, 08:16 AM
Carp. Lox of luck.

Crowunit, I'll be lox and bagels is one of your favorite dishes.
Topped with cream cheese, and dotted with fishes.

:D

Drooper
15th December 2003, 08:26 AM
A psychology professor who has trouble grasping basic statistical issues?

Jeff Corey
15th December 2003, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Drooper
A psychology professor who has trouble grasping basic statistical issues?
Like Poisson's distribution?

voidx
15th December 2003, 08:57 AM
This is good stuff. Explaining the paranormal through science by making science....paranormal :eek:. I wish I'd thought of, "Science can begin to explain the paranormal, because we think the mind can affect the physical world hooray!".

Mercutio
15th December 2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by BTox


Yes, fish often do that.

PS You have less than 60 minutes! :D It wus intensional. I do'nt macke spelleng misteaks.

Psiload
15th December 2003, 09:24 AM
''Though we're still far from having evidence which proves it correct,'' Mayer notes in a public lecture she began giving this year, ''we can find tantalizing grounds on which to find it appealing.'' I think that any "scientist" that makes statements this asinine should be required to wear one of those fireman helmets that Radio Shack sells with the built-in siren, and the flashing light on top.... so you'd know they were coming, and you could get out of the way.

That statement basically translates as...

I don't have any proof of my claims, but I have compelling reasons to hope that they are true. :rolleyes:

tamiO
15th December 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Mercutio
It wus intensional. I do'nt macke spelleng misteaks.

Are you Father Time in your avatar?

Rolfe
15th December 2003, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by voidx
This is good stuff. Explaining the paranormal through science by making science....paranormal :eek:. Been done.

I acknowledge Wipeout for first finding the definitive paper (http://www.igpp.de/english/tda/pdf/wqt.pdf) on making science paranormal.

(It makes better sense when you realise that the third author is a dedicated homoeopath.)

Rolfe.

Soapy Sam
15th December 2003, 12:12 PM
I accuse you of Homoeopathophobia!

(nb. This is curable, but you must sign up for the full course of treatment, a snip at $12,000.00)

Mercutio
15th December 2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by tamiO

Are you Father Time in your avatar? No, but that's a better story, anyway. That's me as Falstaff for halloween. I put it up now cuz it looks a bit like an evil santa. So...Father Time it is...or the Old Year, toward the end of this month....

Soapy Sam
15th December 2003, 12:41 PM
I know you will all find this pretty disturbing... but I was just thinking about coincidences before I logged on here.

Frightening. Isn't it?

!Xx+-Rational-+xX!
15th December 2003, 12:45 PM
We must scoff this nonsense out of existence!

uneasy
15th December 2003, 12:54 PM
Since 1979, Jahn had amassed a mountain of data demonstrating people's ability to alter the outcome of a random event generatorAnd to think that guy could have a million bucks by now. Do you think anyone's told him?

Aussie Thinker
15th December 2003, 01:46 PM
Mercutio

No, but that's a better story, anyway. That's me as Falstaff for halloween. I put it up now cuz it looks a bit like an evil santa. So...Father Time it is...or the Old Year, toward the end of this month....

“Discretion is the better part of Valour”.. never liked Shakespeare except for Falstaff !

He was a Knight after my own heart !

Soapy Sam
16th December 2003, 08:33 PM
As in - " A hard day's knight?"

Iamme
17th December 2003, 03:23 PM
Hi Jeff. I should say hi to Cynical too.

Jeff---Don't you believe there is something strange about coinkydinkies? I had a good one today: This morning I was thinking about some tenants I haven't seen in a while. I said to myself, "Self...you really should get over to their house and get those ceiling tiles up before Christmas." THEN, I remembered about her staining. I thought to myself that if the trim boards were sprayed with stain, that more stain would 'take'. The last time I was there, she couldn't get enough of the stain to stay on the wood.

Guess who called me up this afternoon? Yes...it was her. She wanted to know if I had any more of that stain! BTW...I do not see or talk to these people on any kind of routine basis. It must have been 1 1/2 months or more since I talked to them! So...why today? Why did she call me up today, after I started thinking about them? This stuff happens to me all the time and I have kept a journal of many of the coincidenses whose synchronicity seems hauntingly weird.

Therefore, I am very interested in this subject, and I believe there might be something quite unexplained, going on here, with brain waves.

And I wonder what happened to the JE site tonight?:(

Yahweh
17th December 2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Voob
They even managed to work in
"string theory and quantum mechanics".
They worked in String Theory and Quantum Mechanics...

That's Undermined * 2...

Cynical
22nd December 2003, 04:55 AM
Hello, Phelps/Iamme. Sorry to be this way, old chap, but I really think the coincidences you are experiencing are just that...coincidences. You spend a lot of time thinking, Phelps, and that has a way of magnifying all of your experiences. Oh, well, look on the bright side. At least that woman didn't call you up to invite you to come over while she took a shower.:D

Phelps, what is going on over at JE?? It's frustrating to try to post over there now, because the posts won't go through. Is the site having technical problems, or is Trevor playing holiday games just to bug us??:confused: