Swiss Prison worse than Abu Ghraib

[DC]

Even so, Gaddafi, who has ruled Libya as a dictator for the past 40 years, was furious, particularly when he heard an account of what had happened from Aisha, his favourite daughter. According to a witness close to the Gaddafi clan, she told him Hannibal and Aline had been treated "like terrorists" and were held in a prison "worse than Abu Ghraib".

"Honour must be saved," Gaddafi told his daughter.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25937965-32682,00.html

When will this swiss cruelity stop?

Best split up switzerland among its neighboring nations.

Shouldnt Switzerland be included on the Axis of Evil?

[funk de fino]

They could get Kenny McCaskill to negogiate?

[DC]

They could get Kenny McCaskill to negogiate?

no thanks, i think nobody else can lick arses like Merz can.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Switzerland-39sorry39-for-Gaddafi-arrest.5575532.jp

we said sorry, and the new contracts are binding for Switzerland but not for Lybia.


the Gaddafis are arsing the world , and the politicans applaud.

[DC]

i guess what made our prisons worse than Abu Ghraib was the TV programm and that you have to buy the PS3 yourself.

http://www.grosshof.lu.ch/p_gro10.jpg

[Delscottio]

i guess what made our prisons worse than Abu Ghraib was the TV programm and that you have to buy the PS3 yourself.

http://www.grosshof.lu.ch/p_gro10.jpg

I've stayed in hotels that aren't as comfortable.

[DC]

I've stayed in hotels that aren't as comfortable.

and they dont even have to pay rent :D

[Eddie Dane]

This reminds me of the time a Pakistani terror suspect died in a German jail.
His body was returned to Pakistan where Imams told the people he'd been tortured to death in the German prison system.
This lead to mass demonstrations and much "Death to Germany!"

That mofo probably had a heart attack watching porn or playing Xbox.

[Flo]

i guess what made our prisons worse than Abu Ghraib was the TV programm and that you have to buy the PS3 yourself.

TSR1 and 2 programms are pretty awful: no porn and their broadcast of "Desperate Housewives" is late by 1 season at least. However, I doubt very much the guards in Champ-Dollon prison have even 1/10th the imagination of their colleagues in Abu Ghraib, or those in Tripoli, when it comes to the treatment of inmates (remember something about Bulgarian nurses, someone ?).

Hannibal Ghadaffi is known in Geneva for his behaviour that would certainly make the original Hannibal cringe. Everybody hopes he'll take swimming lessons in Leman lake, preferably with a heavy weight ...

[DC]

TSR1 and 2 programms are pretty awful

yes they talk french :D

[timhau]

I've stayed in hotels that aren't as comfortable.

When I was an undergrad, I lived in a single-room apartment that didn't look half as nice.

[DC]

ok to be honest, we have some prisons that are overcroweded and need renovations etc.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/19/03/05/dos/03.parsys.0004.Image.gif

http://www.visiting-switzerland.com/images/new-Swiss-prison-La-Brenaz.jpg

[ddt]

Hannibal Ghadaffi is known in Geneva for his behaviour that would certainly make the original Hannibal cringe. Everybody hopes he'll take swimming lessons in Leman lake, preferably with a heavy weight ...

Someone should just invite him for a cheese fondue orgy :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/3311408240_2a8d100bd5.jpg?v=0

[quixotecoyote]

It sounds silly, but following the links finds there's some consequences going on. Hostages have been taken, oil supplies have been cut, Swiss businesses in Libya have been forced to close, etc.

[WildCat]

ok to be honest, we have some prisons that are overcroweded and need renovations etc.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/19/03/05/dos/03.parsys.0004.Image.gif


Wow, they allow metal utensils in the cells? Those would be fashioned into shanks in a US prison.

[Eddie Dane]

Wow, they allow metal utensils in the cells? Those would be fashioned into shanks in a US prison.

The pocked knife lobby has them by the balls, man.

[Region Rat]

ok to be honest, we have some prisons that are overcroweded and need renovations etc.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/19/03/05/dos/03.parsys.0004.Image.gif

http://www.visiting-switzerland.com/images/new-Swiss-prison-La-Brenaz.jpg

That looks like my son's dorm room at college.

Actually, the room in the picture is a little cleaner, and its missing the requisite beer can pyramid.

[WildCat]

Fresh from his success in getting the Lockerbie bomber released from Scotland, Khadafy has now turned his sights on Switzerland (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_libya_leader_col_moammar_khadafy_to_united_nati ons_abolish_switzerland.html):
Libya's Col. Moammar Khadafy has a beef with Switzerland and plans to ask the United Nations to abolish the tiny Alpine home of milk chocolate, cuckoo clocks and yodeling.

According to Swiss minister Christa Markwalder, Khadafy will demand that Switzerland be wiped off the map when he comes to New York Sept. 23. He apparently wants the country to be dismembered and the land parceled out among neighbouring France, Germany and Italy.
Apparently he is upset that the Swiss arrested his son for beating his servants with a belt and a coat hanger.

I think breaking up the country is a reasonable demand in light of such a travesty of justice.

No comment so far from France, Germany, and Italy.

[Darth Rotor]

Fresh from his success in getting the Lockerbie bomber released from Scotland, Khadafy has now turned his sights on Switzerland (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_libya_leader_col_moammar_khadafy_to_united_nati ons_abolish_switzerland.html):

Apparently he is upset that the Swiss arrested his son for beating his servants with a belt and a coat hanger.

I think breaking up the country is a reasonable demand in light of such a travesty of justice.

No comment so far from France, Germany, and Italy.

While we are at it, the US ought to return Belgium to France and the Netherlands, and Luxembourg to Germany, or pretty much anyone who will have it. Oh, and give Lichtenstein back to Austria, or someone else.

Funny, all four of those little places are big with the discrete banks.

Hmmmmm. Survival skill?

DR

[Skeptic]

Remember, folks: no country has a RIGHT to exist, right? So, no harm done if Switzerland ceases to exist.

Also, who knows what evils the Swiss did when they created their country? Clearly this undermines their claim to any legitimacy.

Switzerland is an artificial creation: a hodgepodge of different cantons. They crazy idea that they all belong to one nationality when they are obviously so different from each other is surely a fraud by Swiss nationalists to make them seem legitimate. We must not fall for such nonsense.

Switzerland actually honors as national heroes people who were war heroes and killed other people. Outrage, this honoring of terrorists. Clearly it makes Switzerland no different than, say, Iran or Libya.

Switzerland is morally imperfect. (It behaved rather shamefully during WWII, for instance, to refugees, hiding behind its apartheid mountains). Clearly a morally imperfect nation like that:

(a) has no right to exist,
(b) is not different than the worst of the worst of the world's nations, and
(c) it deserves everything it gets in terms of terrorist attacks against it.

Knowing all this, you still think it has a right to exist, or is for some reason significantly different (I will not use the word "better" -- that's a word, like "good" or "evil", only primitive, unsophisticated people use, you know) than its murderous, terrorist enemy nations, like Libya, and their thuggish leaders?

That just shows how unsophisticated you are in your thinking, how wedded you are to evil colonialist ways of looking at the world, (how outdated and silly!), and, of course, how Islamophobic you are.

So there. Support wiping Switzerland off the map, or you're a stupid Islamophobe. Clearly that is the only logical conclusion.

(Hey! This is easier than I thought!)

[Undesired Walrus]

Khadafy? That's a spelling I've never seen before.

ETA: Jesus Skeptic, give it a rest.

[Eddie Dane]

I for one agree.

IMHO Libya should invade Switzerland ASAP.

(I've always wondered what Khadaffi would look like with his hair on fire)

:flamed:

[Rolfe]

Ahem.... <cough>

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152339

By the way, looking at the tags on this one, why omit the most common and apparently standard spelling of "Gadaffi"?

Rolfe.

[Oliver]

So there. Support wiping Switzerland off the map, or ...



Who would not support that? :confused:

Anyway, Germany is willing to take over the Switzerland just for the sake of getting rid of the tax havens for wealthy Germans.

[Flo]

By the way, looking at the tags on this one, why omit the most common and apparently standard spelling of "Gadaffi"?

Rolfe.


"In French", it is Khadafi ...

[Flo]

Switzerland actually honors as national heroes people fictional characters (e.g. Wilhelm Tell) who supposedly killed other people fictional characters.

but you're not told the truth before history classes at college level ;)

[Cicero]

The Swiss contribution to the world was summed up nicely by Orson Welles in "The Third Man."

Harry Lime:

"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock"

Of course the Swiss were also adept at doing the Third Reich's banking and refusing to return art work, gold, jewelry and currency that rightfully belonged to European Jews.

[ddt]

Switzerland actually honors as national heroes people who were war heroes and killed other people.
That's business as usual. Worse, they split apples! On behalf of the Apple Liberation Front, I demand the immediate dissolution of Switzerland! :p

[Nogbad]

I've stayed in hotels that aren't as comfortable.
That thought struck me too.

[Nogbad]

Wow, they allow metal utensils in the cells? Those would be fashioned into shanks in a US prison.


You must understand that most of these prisoners are inside for incorrectly calculating interest payable at the local bank or making clocks that lose or gain more than 2 seconds a year. Heinous crimes I concede but perhaps not quite the street cred that would cut it in down town LA.

[The Fool]

Remember, folks: no country has a RIGHT to exist, right? So, no harm done if Switzerland ceases to exist.

Also, who knows what evils the Swiss did when they created their country? Clearly this undermines their claim to any legitimacy.

Switzerland is an artificial creation: a hodgepodge of different cantons. They crazy idea that they all belong to one nationality when they are obviously so different from each other is surely a fraud by Swiss nationalists to make them seem legitimate. We must not fall for such nonsense.

Switzerland actually honors as national heroes people who were war heroes and killed other people. Outrage, this honoring of terrorists. Clearly it makes Switzerland no different than, say, Iran or Libya.

Switzerland is morally imperfect. (It behaved rather shamefully during WWII, for instance, to refugees, hiding behind its apartheid mountains). Clearly a morally imperfect nation like that:

(a) has no right to exist,
(b) is not different than the worst of the worst of the world's nations, and
(c) it deserves everything it gets in terms of terrorist attacks against it.

Knowing all this, you still think it has a right to exist, or is for some reason significantly different (I will not use the word "better" -- that's a word, like "good" or "evil", only primitive, unsophisticated people use, you know) than its murderous, terrorist enemy nations, like Libya, and their thuggish leaders?

That just shows how unsophisticated you are in your thinking, how wedded you are to evil colonialist ways of looking at the world, (how outdated and silly!), and, of course, how Islamophobic you are.

So there. Support wiping Switzerland off the map, or you're a stupid Islamophobe. Clearly that is the only logical conclusion.

(Hey! This is easier than I thought!)
Ok, the voices in your head are talking about Switzerland now? Thats progress I suppose.

Sorry, not all threads here are about righteous Zionists and suffering Jews, even your voices are starting to realize this.

[Darth Rotor]

Wait a minute, if they wipe out Switzerland, where do I get the cheese to go with my ham, rye bread, pickles, onions, and sharp mustard?

No, I reverse my earlier sentiment, let Switzerland be. We need the cheese.

[Klimax]

Ok, the voices in your head are talking about Switzerland now? Thats progress I suppose.

Sorry, not all threads here are about righteous Zionists and suffering Jews, even your voices are starting to realize this.

I think his posts were heavly sarcastic. (And that he disagrees with you reharding Israel does not mean he has to have psychological problems. Not exactly making conversation or debate.)

[fuelair]

Ahem.... <cough>

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152339

By the way, looking at the tags on this one, why omit the most common and apparently standard spelling of "Gadaffi"?

Rolfe.

Godaffy?:D

[CarlosTheJackal]

National honour nowadays seems to be the property solely of roughe states, although the biggest one terms it "prestige" "interests" "credibility" instead.

I am not sure if it is wise of Switzerland to let itself be pissed on in the way they have by Libya.

One politician quietly mentioned the possibility of using military force against Libya, and was immediatley booed by the Swiss media and all diplomats.

In today's European terms, the Swiss have a relatively large, if not bloated military. My opinion is that the Swiss are well advice to excercise their ancient military traditions once in a while.

[gtc]

I don't agree. Countries like Libya want to be taken seriously so laughing at their childish actions seems to be the best response.

[Merko]

I think his posts were heavly sarcastic. (And that he disagrees with you reharding Israel does not mean he has to have psychological problems.
Yes, but the thing is that Skeptic's posts in almost every thread are 'sarcastic' in the exact same way. I would not call this a psychiatric problem, but obsession does not have to be a medical diagnose.

[ddt]

In today's European terms, the Swiss have a relatively large, if not bloated military. My opinion is that the Swiss are well advice to excercise their ancient military traditions once in a while.
You mean to contract out their soldiers to other states as mercenaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_mercenaries)? Fits well with your handle. :D

[Flo]

In today's European terms, the Swiss have a relatively large, if not bloated military. My opinion is that the Swiss are well advice to excercise their ancient military traditions once in a while.

The main military tradition nowadays is to spend as much time as possible playing cards and drinking white wine at the local café during the 2-3 weeks mandatory military periods every two-years (known by Swiss women as "time for turning the house inside out while hubby is mercifully out of the house", and the main reason they voted en masse for the continuation of the system). This means that in case of invasion, the only safe places would be cafés, restaurants, inns and pubs in the countryside.

(information courtesy of a daughter,sister and cousin of several Swiss soldiers, who for more than 20 years have been cursing while trying to locate various parts of their equipment upon receiving their convocations).

[Flo]

The Swiss contribution to the world was summed up nicely by Orson Welles in "The Third Man."

Harry Lime:

"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock"


Unfortunately, the cuckoo clock is originally a German/Bavarian invention ...

Of course the Swiss were also adept at doing the Third Reich's banking and refusing to return art work, gold, jewelry and currency that rightfully belonged to European Jews


It's easy to single Switzerland's shameful conduct out, but many countries did no better at the time and later.

[CarlosTheJackal]

Unfortunately, the cuckoo clock is originally a German/Bavarian invention ...




It's easy to single Switzerland's shameful conduct out, but many countries did no better at the time and later.

During WWII the German state confiscated enourmous assets from Jews, just because they were Jews.

During the same time one country, which takes bank secrecy seriously, protected the assets of Jews who were wise enough to ship them out.

My father-in-law, a Jewish solicitor who had emigrated from Germany before the Germans started the confiscations, made millions by taking care of assets like that and Switzerland is full of wealthy Jews. I know a few of them but I have never heard that they have any grudge against Swiss WWII behaviour.

What does Switzerland have to be ashamed about?

[CarlosTheJackal]

I don't agree. Countries like Libya want to be taken seriously so laughing at their childish actions seems to be the best response.

You're totally right.