Glenn Beck: Alex Jones of Fox?

[NWO Sentryman]

Glenn Beck recently said Obama was going to create a totalitarian state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyRp1gZNVc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXPOAcTLf8&feature=related

Is he the next alex jones?

[Davidlpf]

Time to go watch something more realistic, maybe Star Trek.

[Dancing David]

He was also whining about racists and people in general.

[T.A.M.]

Glenn Beck was, at one point, a semi-rational host of a "news" show on CNN Headline News.

He is now an insane right wing attack dog for FIXED news, who actually makes Hannity look moderate.

He is more dangerous than A. Jones, as he has a bigger audience, and a bigger budget.

TAM:)

[eeyore1954]

What was the context of President Obama's statement about "Civilian National Security Force" for our national security goals.

[eeyore1954]

What was the context of President Obama's statement about "Civilian National Security Force" for our national security goals.

I looked up his speech here is the paragraph before
" So we are going to send -- we're going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. "

So I would guess part of his vision was to help us achieve our national security goals by showing the world our commitment to helping others. Not too ominous . Naturally Glen Beck who is just another entertainer trying to get ratings and hence make more money doesn't look at the speech in its context because it wouldn't be as sensational.

[T.A.M.]

I looked up his speech here is the paragraph before
" So we are going to send -- we're going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. "

So I would guess part of his vision was to help us achieve our national security goals by showing the world our commitment to helping others. Not too ominous . Naturally Glen Beck who is just another entertainer trying to get ratings and hence make more money doesn't look at the speech in its context because it wouldn't be as sensational.

Beck is beyond an entertainer. He not only takes things out of context, but he also invents things, adds complete falsehoods, in order to make information fit his world view, and his view of Obama as a "socialist racist".

TAM:)

[Denver]

Beck is beyond an entertainer. He not only takes things out of context, but he also invents things, adds complete falsehoods, in order to make information fit his world view, and his view of Obama as a "socialist racist".

TAM:)

His radio show is introduced as "The fusion between entertainment and enlightenment". I've never been sure what that meant, but it didn't sound like something on whose contents I'd want to base political or other decisions.

Also, there have been articles popping up lately about his show losing sponsors (purportedly based on his remarks about Obama being a racist). A couple weeks ago it was a dozen companies. Earlier this week, I heard it was 2-3 times that.

Interesting.

[LibraryLady]

Time to go watch something more realistic, maybe Star Trek.

Don't you mean "realistice?"

[leftysergeant]

Naturally Glen Beck who is just another entertainer trying to get ratings and hence make more money doesn't look at the speech in its context because it wouldn't be as sensational.

When the only tool in your kit is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. If all you have ever learned to use is a hammer, it might be hard to grasp the concept of a screw driver.

Beck is a one-trick pony with nothing in his kit but a tack hammer. He fails to grasp that diplomacy is actually as important, if not more so than military might. Clausewitz calls war an extension of diplomacy, not the other way around.

Maybe this all just goes over the boy's head.

[DavidJames]

His radio show is introduced as "The fusion between entertainment and enlightenment". I've never been sure what that meant, but it didn't sound like something on whose contents I'd want to base political or other decisions.I agree with you but I know some people who actually tried to portray him to me as very knowledgeable, observant, someone who makes a lot of sense and who leans neither Republican or Democratic.

[Davidlpf]

Don't you mean "realistice?"

No that would be futile.

[Regnad Kcin]

People, people, people. Mr. Beck recently found religion. So it naturally follows he does not lie, exaggerate, or make things up.

[KoihimeNakamura]

I can't watch his show. Within 10 minutes i want to put him on mute.

[T.A.M.]

I agree with you but I know some people who actually tried to portray him to me as very knowledgeable, observant, someone who makes a lot of sense and who leans neither Republican or Democratic.

David;

Have you watched him in the last year or so (since Obama took over)? 2-3 years ago, I felt he was, as I said, semi-rational, and sometimes insightful. Now...nope, completely gone over the edge.

TAM:)

[Dorian Gray]

2-3 years ago, he was on CNN. Now he's on Fox.

[Pardalis]

I looked up his speech here is the paragraph before
" So we are going to send -- we're going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. "

So I would guess part of his vision was to help us achieve our national security goals by showing the world our commitment to helping others. Not too ominous . Naturally Glen Beck who is just another entertainer trying to get ratings and hence make more money doesn't look at the speech in its context because it wouldn't be as sensational.

Do you have a link to the full transcript?*

Maybe Obama should dumb down his speeches, they seem too sophisticated for some people to fully understand in context. Beck took it much too literally.

This reminds me of the CTers who read waaaay too much into the "new Pearl Harbor" quote in the PNAC document.

ETA: nvm, I got it: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908270033

[Pardalis]

I just saw the OP's second video. It's mind boggling how these idiots can go on for ten minutes, inviting panelists to talk about absolutely nothing, something that just simply doesn't exist.

sheesh

[dudalb]

Glenn Beck was, at one point, a semi-rational host of a "news" show on CNN Headline News.

He is now an insane right wing attack dog for FIXED news, who actually makes Hannity look moderate.

He is more dangerous than A. Jones, as he has a bigger audience, and a bigger budget.

TAM:)

Ya gotta think he has decided the only way to compete with the big names in Right Wing Journalism (Limbaugh,Hanntiy, O"Reilly) is to go even further to the the right then they are.

[Upchurch]

Ya gotta think he has decided the only way to compete with the big names in Right Wing Journalism (Limbaugh,Hanntiy, O"Reilly) is to go even further to the the right then they are.
I dunno. I kinda think Beck has left the whole left-right line segment and entered the space of imaginary numbers inhabited by folks like Fred Phelps or, to the OP, Alex Jones.

[uruk]

I've been listening to Glen Beck for awhile. His melodrama and histeronics are hilarious.

I think he is slowly losing his grasp on reality.

[Pardalis]

The guy is on national TV and he can't find 5 minutes to look up the original quote and read it.

He's not just nuts, he's incompetent (not to mention those other twits he invited to talk about that non-story).

[DavidJames]

David;

Have you watched him in the last year or so (since Obama took over)? 2-3 years ago, I felt he was, as I said, semi-rational, and sometimes insightful. Now...nope, completely gone over the edge.

TAM:)I haven't watched him since CNN and even then, not very much. I was just relating what those who are watching now have said. The kicker is, those that shared their thoughts were good old fashion Republican types. Republicans on this forum need to get out more. Their party has left them behind.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

While I woudn't marry him, I love him more and more every day.

When he said that corporations were in bed with the White House just after saying that Socialists and Anti-Capitalists were in power, and didn't notice the contradiction, I loled.

It's like looking into an alternate reality.

[Juniversal]

Glenn Beck was, at one point, a semi-rational host of a "news" show on CNN Headline News.

He is now an insane right wing attack dog for FIXED news, who actually makes Hannity look moderate.

He is more dangerous than A. Jones, as he has a bigger audience, and a bigger budget.

TAM:)Totally agree. I didn't mind him at all when he was on CNN. I always thought he was pretty fair and he was actually willing to criticize the Republicans as opposed to the Fox news who appluaded Bushes WMD escapades under the veil of patriotism. But when he went to Fox himself his objectivity went to hell.

[thaiboxerken]

He reminds me of those political pundit types you see in the satirical sci-fi movies, like Robocop.

[leftysergeant]

He reminds me of some of the long-term psych patients I knew while I was in Medical Holding Company at Madigan Army Medical Center.

[zaphod2016]

I'm going to make a prediction right now:

1. Glenn Beck gets canned from FOX (may have already happened (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40a6xPEzsM))

2. GB "goes public" on Alex Jones' show; announces he is a fan, has been listening for years

3. GB will make a play for AJ's audience; he will go full-fledged truther within 3 months of being off FOX.

4. Within a year he will have become a "true believer"; he will either have a show on Genesis himself, or rebrand himself as a "truthier" Alex Jones (i.e. a competitor).

5. On his deathbed he will admit he is actually a moderate Democrat, who was all too happy to spout lies for money because it was easier than working for a living.

You heard it here first!

[Cain]

Has anyone posted a link to this clip yet? So good...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&eurl=

[Davidlpf]

Also missing a c not just the y in oligarchy.

[Cain]

Dude, spoiler alert. That's what makes it awesome. At first you think "dumbass, you're missing a 'c'" and then he says he knows a letter is missing. "Ahhhhhh" And then he dramatically adds "Y" as if to say "Why?" and you're thinking "yeah, WHY?!?!" This is performance art.

[Davidlpf]

So it should be the Fox Performance Art network.

[Undesired Walrus]

And yet Penn Jillette, self-proclaimed skeptic, still frequently appears on Beck's show. Extraordinary. Isn't Beck someone who should appear on BS with a load of abuse rained down on him by Penn's foul tongue?

[Upchurch]

And yet Penn Jillette, self-proclaimed skeptic, still frequently appears on Beck's show. Extraordinary. Isn't Beck someone who should appear on BS with a load of abuse rained down on him by Penn's foul tongue?
Probably. When was the last time Penn was on and what was the topic?

[Eskarina]

He certainly has his heart in the right spot. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthLH33WzaA&feature=related

Around 1:55 min.

[Undesired Walrus]

Probably. When was the last time Penn was on and what was the topic?

Healthcare. I only watch US programming when I'm round at my friend's flat, as she has all the channels. I can't resist watching Fox.

[Upchurch]

Healthcare.
If true, bad on Penn.

[mhaze]

.... he said that corporations were in bed with the White House just after saying that Socialists and Anti-Capitalists were in power, and didn't notice the contradiction, I loled....Then you don't understand the nature of the interplay between these types of entities. Apparently.

Commonly large corporations will smooze up to a government in order to lock out competition, eliminate the little guy, get law or regulation enacted in their favor, etc, on and on and on. In this process it is quite irrelevant what the nature of the government is.

[Upchurch]

Is he the next alex jones?
I finally had a chance to see the OP videos. Beck certainly has mastered the art of JAQing off.

[Upchurch]

Then you don't understand the nature of the interplay between these types of entities. Apparently.

Commonly large corporations will smooze up to a government in order to lock out competition, eliminate the little guy, get law or regulation enacted in their favor, etc, on and on and on. In this process it is quite irrelevant what the nature of the government is.
Great!

Now, tie that into socialism.

[Davidlpf]

He certainly has his heart in the right spot. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthLH33WzaA&feature=related

Around 1:55 min.
But his lips are clearly near his appendix.

[Cleon]

And yet Penn Jillette, self-proclaimed skeptic, still frequently appears on Beck's show. Extraordinary. Isn't Beck someone who should appear on BS with a load of abuse rained down on him by Penn's foul tongue?

Because, as I've said before, Penn isn't really a "skeptic," at least not the way I use the word. He's not a critical thinker; he's simply adopted an ideology that rejects the supernatural. He follows this ideology with all the fervor of a religious fundamentalist.

[Undesired Walrus]

If true, bad on Penn.

On the program I saw, he wanted to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid.

ETA: Here it is:
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[corplinx]

Because, as I've said before, Penn isn't really a "skeptic," at least not the way I use the word. He's not a critical thinker; he's simply adopted an ideology that rejects the supernatural. He follows this ideology with all the fervor of a religious fundamentalist.

I have that suspicion about a great many posters here actually.

[DavidJames]

Because, as I've said before, Penn isn't really a "skeptic," at least not the way I use the word. He's not a critical thinker; he's simply adopted an ideology that rejects the supernatural. He follows this ideology with all the fervor of a religious fundamentalist.I agree with you completely although I would have said "all the fervor of a libertarian", but I realize the two are almost synonyms.

[dudalb]

Because, as I've said before, Penn isn't really a "skeptic," at least not the way I use the word. He's not a critical thinker; he's simply adopted an ideology that rejects the supernatural. He follows this ideology with all the fervor of a religious fundamentalist.

Actually, I think that Libertarianism is what Penn supports with a religious fervor, and he is using "Bull----" more and more as a platform to preach this faith.It seems to be taking over the show.
I jumped off the Penn bandwagon after the Global Warming Show. The guy is like Bill Maher, proof that just becuase you reject religion does not make you a poster child for Critical Thinking.

[Cleon]

Actually, I think that Libertarianism is what Penn supports with a religious fervor, and he is using "Bull----" more and more as a platform to preach this faith.It seems to be taking over the show.
I jumped off the Penn bandwagon after the Global Warming Show. The guy is like Bill Maher, proof that just becuase you reject religion does not make you a poster child for Critical Thinking.

Well, the ideology I was referring to is Objectivism. Libertarianism is one facet of that, rejection of the supernatural is another.

[T.A.M.]

I have that suspicion about a great many posters here actually.

Yes, both on the RIGHT and LEFT.

TAM:)