Baby alien found by Mexican farmer

[fallout]

Hello all,

New to forum , I did not expect to start posting with this kind of subject, but anyways it caught my attention bad enough to post this and ask for opinions/thoughts.

As I´m new to the forums, I cannot provide the link, so I appologize and ask you guys to google the following:

Baby alien found by Mexican farmer (2)

"Two years after it was found, scientists have finally been able to announce the results of their tests on this sinister-looking carcass.


The tests revealed that although it has some similar joints to humans, its skeleton has characteristics of a lizard; also its teeth do not have any roots like humans.


If I understood it right, "scientists" have examined this and concluded it is indeed a living being? OMG am I dreaming or what? What the bleep is that? El chupacabras???? :jaw-dropp

I hope you guys already talked about this particular case here, if not, I hope for my own sanity that you help me to find a reasonable explanation for this. Even being a genuine and uknown creature, that would be still completely astounding.

regards,
R

[Ysidro]

You can get around the link restriction by leaving spaces like this: http:// www. randi. org. Or just PM me and I'll put it up. I'd like to read this. It's gotta be a tabloid article that got picked up by someone who wasn't paying attention or just wanted to fill some news space.

And just remember, those mysterious "scientists" probably dont' exist. Unless I have a name of an actual person, I'm going to assume it's made up.

[H3LL]

Welcome to the forums fallout.

I hope this helps:

http://amazingdata.com/a-baby-alien-was-found-alive-by-a-farmer-in-mexico/

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/31/alien-baby-in-metepec-mexico/does-creature-have-brother-who-lives-among-us.html

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/25/alien-baby-or-hoax/bizarre-creature-found-in-mexico-stumps-experts.html

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Not the most reliable news source but fun to see.

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[fallout]

Will I violate the rules if i get around it putting in-between spaces?

Or this restriction is just about preventing spamming bots?


And yes Ysidro, it is extremelly irritating that the "scientists" names are not mentioned. Will it be because of the reputation problems they would have if they linked their names to controversy, or it's just another internet hoax?

I´m seriously inclined now to think it's a complete scam. I´m researching further and will let you guys know if I find a more believable source.

[fallout]

Thanks H3LL, for the welcome and the links. That will help a lot. Looking forward to find more about this.

The bild dot com one is more interesting as it at least cites what is being done to investigate this.

Now I ask some of you that may be well versed or even professionals on this area: What can be done given a dried body like this as it relates to discover which creature is that? Organs, tissues, what kind of lab analysis can be done to it that could lead to a solid conclusion, once a DNA test is not anymore possible.

It seems ironic that they had to wait for the DNA to be wasted in order to start examining it.

[H3LL]

Will it be because of the reputation problems they would have if they linked their names to controversy, or it's just another internet hoax?

I suspect that most reputable scientists would sell their grandmother, wife and children to have their name linked to the first, successful identification of an alien lifeform, particularly one so advanced (not bacteria - though bacteria would be good).

That's your first alarm bell ....
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[H3LL]

I have one of the alien's furry cousins:

LINKY (http://blog.makezine.com/_wp-content_uploads_2007_08_tarsier.jpg)

:D


Send $1,000 or I drown this Tarsier alien too.

[fallout]

Agreed H3LL, I even feel stupid to even consider it could be the other way now lol. Though, we see a lot of ppl that looks like scientists working on it on the video.

I hope to read more about this soon, because as I can see, this news is pretty recent, although the case is reported as occuring in 2k7, the results are just brought to public now, as the farmer took long to hand the thing over for investigation. Is that correct?

[fallout]

Lol, I thought it could be one of mutant version of those as well!! What is intriguing though it's the size of the brain and shape of the head.

[fallout]

It has to be a hoax buddy. It´s unbelievable.

[H3LL]

I'm no expert and I could be wrong but as soon as I saw how small it was (not apparent from the first pictures) my first thought was "Nocturnal primate" and a couple of links got me a Tarsier picture.

Smarter people than me may get closer and submerging a creature is a great way to remove fur - but was it water?

I call hoax.

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[Correa Neto]

Looks like a fabrication to me.
Someone either build it as a model or assembled pieces of dead animals. It looks like a shaved marmoset...

[fallout]

Yes I agree with both of you, sadly enough, looks like we will have to wait a little more to see evidence for either a new astounding species or alien visitors. :o

Why they never bring to public a fresh sample, it always have to be in bad shape to be seriously sumbitted to scientific strutiny.

p.s: im sorry for my bad english, not my main language :boxedin:

[H3LL]

Your English is just fine.

Compared to what we have to put up with from some people who have English as their first language - you are doing very well.

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[H3LL]

Tarsiers Aliens are cute:

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Personally I welcome our new, insect eating overlords.

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[fallout]

I´m wondering here as well, if they will be able to find out if it was assembled with different body parts of known living beings given the deterioration of the sample.

Come on, let it out of the hands of "UFO specialists" to real scientists!

Not that I think every UFO investigator is a scam, but just for the sake of general acceptance, it would be better if investigated to independent scientists (outside the UFO medium).

[fallout]

Indeed those aliens look cure when alive, lol

Still i saw some picures of tarsiers skelletons here, allthough resembling the alleged baby alien of ours, the head is still a lot different, especially the top of the head, and brain, dont you think?

[H3LL]

Looks like a fabrication to me.
Someone either build it as a model or assembled pieces of dead animals. It looks like a shaved marmoset...

Agreed.

After all, my tarsier's eyes are too big (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2330752120_c551d3ecca.jpg). Some skull fiddling or a different animal. Mandibles are about right (http://www.eskeletons.org/slim/Tarsier/TarsierSelect.html).

Body seems a good fit though for size and construction.


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[H3LL]

Anyway, jumping the gun a little.

Without more accurate, reputable and detailed information, we don't know and can only speculate.

Options seem to be:


Alien
Nocturnal primate of some sort
Fabrication from several animals
Model
A combination of 2, 3 and 4


First instinct is 5.

First instinct is not 1.

Journalistic first instinct is probably 1 as it's a great story.

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[Old man]

FYI - In the pics on the amazingdata link, the 'alien' is apparently caught in a foot hold trap. The trap appears to be something on the order of a #1 trap size, which has a jaw spread of less than 4" (10 centimeters). Kinda small alien.

[fallout]

Yeah agreed H3LL and the story behind the "mysterious death" of the farmer who drowned the creature is awful as well.

Allegedly his death was misterious as the temperatures of the fire that incinerated him on his car, were "far higher" than normal fire temperatures. If I understood it right, it was his wife who handed the freak over for investigation due to the circunstances of her husband's death. :eye-poppi

Despite all the apparent b.s. , yet I would like to see, for Big Bang´s sake, this thing studied by reputable people and the conclusions that would follow from that.

[H3LL]

FYI - In the pics on the amazingdata link, the 'alien' is apparently caught in a foot hold trap. The trap appears to be something on the order of a #1 trap size, which has a jaw spread of less than 4" (10 centimeters). Kinda small alien.

Yes. Also in the YouTube video it is being held (about 50 seconds in) followed by several other shots indicating it has a body only a few inches long.

It was its small size that prompted the nocturnal primate hunt for me. (Have I already said that?)


ETA: Yes, yes I had. ;)

AETA: Before someone pipes up, aye-aye know not all nocturnal primates are small/tiny.

[fallout]

If its a primate , is still astonishing, isnt it? Or I´m missing something important here?

Allegedly the skeleton reminds the one of a lizard. Does any known primate has this feature? I wish we had reliable sources about these claims.

[MRC_Hans]

I would say a fetus of some small primate, probably nocturnal. That would explain lack of fur, lack of body fat, undeveloped musles, strange cranium dimensions. That would also explain the 'rootless' teeth, because we are really seing undeveloped teeth. Drowning and drying would not spoil DNA, so if the DNA is really gone in this one, they must have heated it (convinient). I think hoax.

ETA: Lack of DNA could also be due to some preparation method, i which case we are seing a specimen from some collection, and the rest of the story is fabrication.

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

Oh, and the trap is another give-away. This creature is much too light to trip such a trap. And if it DID trip it (some traps are hair-trigger), it would not be caught by the arm.

Hans

[bryan]

This reminds me of the time in 2007 when "Dr." Steven Greer (See Disclosure Project) claimed that he had an Alien baby in his possession. He explained what it looked like and that the "Scientists" were examining it and he would release the data soon. About a year later he stated that he had never said that and he had only seen a photo?
I thought that last comment was interesting because I have a recording of the original statement.

This looks like the same cry for attention that we are all too familiar with.

Can you say Fiji-Mermaid?

[Correa Neto]

Take the hair/fur of one of these, or get a fetus.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/AVCN/sagui.jpg

[Kilaak Kommander]

This little fellow showed up on MonsterQuest. They show it in great detail. Their tests found no genetic material, although they don't come right out and say "it's a model".

MonsterQuest Terror from the Sky pts. 1-5 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1FD0DDB79BC47175&search_query=monsterquest+terror+from+the+sky)

[Skeptical Greg]

This little fellow showed up on MonsterQuest.
Good clue there ..

I'll wait till it shows up on Nova ...

[Old man]

Oh, and the trap is another give-away. This creature is much too light to trip such a trap. And if it DID trip it (some traps are hair-trigger), it would not be caught by the arm.

HansHi, Hans. Do you trap?
...This creature is much too light to trip such a trap...I've caught the odd sparrow or two, and once a flying squirrel in similar traps. Flying squirrels are about the size of this creature.
...it would not be caught by the arm...I don't know about that. I've had some pretty odd catches in my day. I caught a woodchuck (bodygrip trap) by the nose, once! :eek:

[fallout]

Hey Old Man,

Good to hear you have some experience in trapping. Well that picture has an incoherent point, if it was caught by the arm, why this wouldnt have freed the creature from the trap? It shows the arm was cutt off, but what we see is that the part which has been really stuck to the trap wasnt cut off... but the part imidiatelly above it. Seems a bit strange to me...

[FramerDave]

Edit: never mind, I posted before thinking. Still on first cup of coffee

[fallout]

Damn,

After reading and watching it all, I have a question: Why the DNA was lost like that? What are the normal situations in which the DNA can be completely lost within two years, especially given the care that they kept this one for examinations? :mad:

[iMaGiNaTioN]

I saw an entire show on discovery or history about this skeleton. Did anyone else see it? The 'experts' on the show (if I recall correctly) said it was indeed a living organism, bipedal, but unidentified.

[leonAzul]

Damn,

After reading and watching it all, I have a question: Why the DNA was lost like that? What are the normal situations in which the DNA can be completely lost within two years, especially given the care that they kept this one for examinations? :mad:

It was not really clear whether that "nothing" meant "no match to a known sequence" or "no detectable DNA".

I'm wondering why an MRI/X-ray wasn't shown of the torso…

[brobradh77]

I saw that Monsterquest episode and I dont rememebr the details but I thought they were pretty sure it was a small monkey of sorts common to the area.

[Bloodtoes]

"It has a large brain"

A quote to this effect was in one of the videos. Large how? Its head looks no bigger than my thumb. o.0 Maybe they mean large for its body, but does that imply a creature with intelligence? (I don't know the answer to this)

[Biscuit]

From the video in the third post by H3LL,

Even serious scientists are wondering if this creature came from another planet.

Oh Noes!!! not the serious scientists! This has to be some kind of hoax. The sympathetic british narrator is a dead give away.

[leonAzul]

From the video in the third post by H3LL,



Oh Noes!!! not the serious scientists! This has to be some kind of hoax. The sympathetic british narrator is a dead give away.

That the earliest source seems to be Das Bild gets my "spidey sense tingling". ;)

[fallout]

I saw that Monsterquest episode and I dont rememebr the details but I thought they were pretty sure it was a small monkey of sorts common to the area.

Nope, they couldnt conclude anything, because DNA analysis wasnt possible. Theres a link for the entire monsterquest episode above, check it again. :)

[fallout]

It was not really clear whether that "nothing" meant "no match to a known sequence" or "no detectable DNA".

I'm wondering why an MRI/X-ray wasn't shown of the torso…

Yeah man, now what do I do, i´m curious with this stuff. Think i´m gonna move to that region and start spreading traps to get another one of those. :eye-poppi

That woman didn´t explain well what was the problem with the sample.

[Undesired Walrus]

Why is the scientist holding this earth-shattering find in his ungloved hand?

Fake?

[Biscuit]

That the earliest source seems to be Das Bild gets my "spidey sense tingling". ;)

But they speak german! no one that speaks german could be bad.

(I know I mangled this simpsons quote but I don't care.)

[fallout]

Why is the scientist holding this earth-shattering find in his ungloved hand?

Fake?
uh, nevermind Walrus, i misunderstood you. :)

[xerox]

Fwiw The Swedish wikipedia page on tarsiers had a picture of a tarsier skeleton. http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:IMG_0577_Tarsier_Skeleton.jpg Compared to this http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/31/alien-baby-in-metepec-mexico/does-creature-have-brother-who-lives-among-us.html, The tail and the small ribcage very close to the neck and the "kink" in the spine seems to match fairly well, the legs seems to be slightly shorter though but still close enough. Could be a different species perhaps?

[Correa Neto]

Move along folks, nothing to see here. No alien, no "evolving species".
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Marmoset/marmoset.htm
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/rtp/students/2006/schedule06_zoology_tour_mammals_photo.html
Scroll down on the above link for a tarsier skull.

BTW, MQ's "expert" lost all credibility with me when he said "it can be an evolving species". And no, don't blame translation. I could hear what he spoke in Spanish.

At least it was not as lame as the other alleged alien baby I remember- a shark or ray skull...

[Old man]

Hey Old Man,

Good to hear you have some experience in trapping. Well that picture has an incoherent point, if it was caught by the arm, why this wouldnt have freed the creature from the trap? That's a pretty big trap for an animal that size. The jaws are shut to about the same point that they would have been had the trap closed on the foot of an animal that the trap was designed for. That much bigger animal would not have been able to pull out of it. Why do you think that something as small as this could do so?
It shows the arm was cutt off, but what we see is that the part which has been really stuck to the trap wasnt cut off... but the part imidiatelly above it. Seems a bit strange to me...The trapped front paw, that was sticking up out of the trap, is gone, and is in a position that this creature could have easily reached it with its mouth. It's not unusual for a trapped animal to chew on trapped toes/feet. The foot goes numb, and the animal most likely isn't even aware that it's chewing its own limb.

[fallout]

Move along folks, nothing to see here. No alien, no "evolving species".
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Marmoset/marmoset.htm
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/rtp/students/2006/schedule06_zoology_tour_mammals_photo.html
Scroll down on the above link for a tarsier skull.

BTW, MQ's "expert" lost all credibility with me when he said "it can be an evolving species". And no, don't blame translation. I could hear what he spoke in Spanish.

At least it was not as lame as the other alleged alien baby I remember- a shark or ray skull...

So basically you concluded that those specialists are all incompetent as to answer such a simple question as which animal is that one? I mean, are they all wrong on concluding that this is not a known specimen?

Also, I saw a lot of pictures of tarsiers, aye-ayes and other nocturnal mammals, they aren´t that close. Although some of them reminds it a lot, some features are clearly diffetent, like the skull shape, the hands and feet. This is why they claim it is not a known species. I don´t discard it as being a hoax though, just trying to see where´s the error, if it is with the professionals who investigated or if it is with the sample being a fake of some very persuasive kind, or maybe both!

That´s why I wanted to see conclusions from more biologists and other well versed professionals.

[fallout]

That's a pretty big trap for an animal that size. The jaws are shut to about the same point that they would have been had the trap closed on the foot of an animal that the trap was designed for. That much bigger animal would not have been able to pull out of it. Why do you think that something as small as this could do so?

Sorry if I didn´t make myself clear. I meant , if the trap broke its arm in two, why it would be still stuck into it by the arm? But now you raised the point of the creatures cheweing their stuck parts to free themselves from this kind of situation! So it didnt break it´s arm in two. :)

[Old man]

Sorry if I didn´t make myself clear. I meant , if the trap broke its arm in two, why it would be still stuck into it by the arm? But now you raised the point of the creatures cheweing their stuck parts to free themselves from this kind of situation! So it didnt break it´s arm in two. :) If an animal's limb is not all dried out and brittle, it's pretty hard to "broke break its arm in two". (The next time you buy chicken at the market, take one of the raw legs and try to tear it into two pieces.)

Poorly trapped animals will sometimes break leg bones in their struggles to escape. When that happens, they can occasionally twist around and tear their limb in two. It's not common at all, and this creature did not appear to have any large bones broken. The missing paw was almost certainly chewed off.

[MRC_Hans]

Why is the scientist holding this earth-shattering find in his ungloved hand?

Fake?Very good point. And why isn't he rushing it to the nearest (or his preferred) university lab? If there was even SOME inkling of mystery to this thing he would want it on his publication list.

Hans

[fallout]

As it stands up till now, this and many other events such as those shown on Monster Quest seems to be pure fabrications of attention hoes. Many of them from the "hot spots" in Mexico.

I hate to think that way, I would really like to have our establishment changed radically, but I can´t fool myself this much.

I would like to understand forensic science myself in order to know what kind of tests could be done to what is left of this sample with no intact DNA. I mean, what could be learned from the available tissues, as well as the viability of crossing data with the known small nocturnal primates and fetus.

[H3LL]

This is a similar situation to the god of the gaps problem but woo-woo of the gaps instead.

No disrespect meant, but you, fallout, from the little you have written, seem to have the inclination towards woo-woo of the gaps, as do we all to some degree.

We have little firm evidence to go on to confirm exactly what this creature/artifact actually is. There are many and large gaps in our information and knowledge.

It is foolish to fill those gaps with aliens, ghosts, gods, pixies or whatever. Because there is a gap does not automatically make a supernatural or extraterrestrial explanation valid.

"We don't know" is just fine.

We can then speculate and wait and see what evidence confirms or refutes those speculations.

To suggest it is alien is a massive leap and would require extraordinary evidence to confirm.

Unnamed scientists making allegedly wild claims, speculation and hypothesis based on little or no reliable evidence is not the sort of extraordinary evidence required to shout "Alien!" and doesn't even come close to providing proof of a more mundane explanation.

Think for a moment of the evidence required to show our little dead friend was undeniably alien. We have none. Just the say-so of an anonymous "scientist" and no evidence one way or another.

[fallout]

This is a similar situation to the god of the gaps problem but woo-woo of the gaps instead.

No disrespect meant, but you, fallout, from the little you have written, seem to have the inclination towards woo-woo of the gaps, as do we all to some degree.

We have little firm evidence to go on to confirm exactly what this creature/artifact actually is. There are many and large gaps in our information and knowledge.

It is foolish to fill those gaps with aliens, ghosts, gods, pixies or whatever. Because there is a gap does not automatically make a supernatural or extraterrestrial explanation valid.

"We don't know" is just fine.

We can then speculate and wait and see what evidence confirms or refutes those speculations.

To suggest it is alien is a massive leap and would require extraordinary evidence to confirm.

Unnamed scientists making allegedly wild claims, speculation and hypothesis based on little or no reliable evidence is not the sort of extraordinary evidence required to shout "Alien!" and doesn't even come close to providing proof of a more mundane explanation.

Think for a moment of the evidence required to show our little dead friend was undeniably alien. We have none. Just the say-so of an anonymous "scientist" and no evidence one way or another.

Hmmm that made me think that contradicting what you told me about my english skills, i´m not communicating in an effective fashion here. Perhaps you didn´t read my last post?

Where in this thread, especially the latest posts, do I say I "believe" its an "alien"?

TBH I think its a fabrication, the picture of it when "alive" would be just a sculpture, and the sample being kept, as it seems, might be either a known fetus, or a new or mutated fetus, who knows?

It´s just annoying how you came to conclusion that I'm an alien supporting "woo" LOL

I´m not the average nay-sayer that we see all around here, but I don´t fool myself as to fit things to my expectations of seeing new things found.

As it relates to what you brought up with your "conclusions" I have to say I don´t think UFO´s and aliens are impossible to exist, but I agree that the "evidence" we have is more than lacking. What caught my attention to this one was the fact that "scientists" have analyzed it and the conclusion was "we don´t know what it is" , that was to me intriguing. But right now, not much anymore , as I gradually realize it smells like a whole stage for attention whores and TV audience promoters, the "scientists" included.

Now if it is WOO enough for you, i´m really sorry bud, but you need a hug. ;)

[King of the Americas]

This immediately made me think of the tiny mermaid skeleton, featured in a Circus Side Show, before it was debunked as a fraud- an assembly of parts of different animals.

Once tested, the carcass was found to contain 'several' different DNA's...maybe the hoaxer learned how to avoid that pitfall?

The original finder was killed, in a car fire? Really? I dismiss the notion of a 'hotter fire', without actual numbers. ANY number of things can cause fire to burn 'hot', including high winds. But the fact that this is how he died is, to say the least, "strange"...

What I have a real problem with is ANY inference to "alien". I mean unless it was trapped coming out of a craft, that someone saw land, where's the evidence that it was "alien"???

I am leaning toward a 'good' hoax, or an as of yet unknown terrestrial creature, possibly a mutant small primate, of some sort?

Still...could the M.I.B. have killed the alien drowning farmer, in an attempt to cover up and or destroy any evidence?

I'd LOVE to have questioned the farmer. "What kind of sounds did it make?" "How did you preserve it?" "How did the other one move?" "What did the eyes look like?", and plenty more...

The body is weird...the pictures are remarkable...the tests' results 'questionable', but that the guy died in a car fire...that's what I find creepy.

How may people die in a car fire, that wasn't crashed? THAT sounds like murder, to me.

[Ragnarok]

Journalistic first instinct is probably 1 as it's a great story.

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How so, when everyone just scoffs at this kind of stuff? Do you think everyone get's their newspapers depending on what ufo stories they are promoting?

I would avoid any tabloid that was presenting an "alien" tale, because they treat the subject with such disrespect.

[NagP]

Why are the aliens always naked?
　
And this one is so stupid to be caught in a trap?
Aren't they supposed to be highly intelligent?
Incredible!

[Correa Neto]

So basically you concluded that those specialists are all incompetent as to answer such a simple question as which animal is that one? I mean, are they all wrong on concluding that this is not a known specimen?
Well, to put it bluntly, yes. There are several rad flags regarding the whole story background and MQ's "investigation" as well. Here are a few; some were already exposed along this thread:

- The backstory: it is conveniently hard to check the specimen's provenance, the guy was killed, and whole the tale about how the critter was found, captured and killed is very hard to believe. The pic of it at the trap looks like a set up; not also that its body position is not that diferent from the position the specimen is currently is.
- The scientists don't seem at all to be following any propper proceedures. One of them is not wearing gloves and the "it could be an evolving species" line is a dead ringer for someone who has little if any clues about biology.
- What exatly was the result: no DNA or unusable DNA? Depending on the specimen preservation method used, DNA will be destroyed or rendered useless.
- Bones and teeth can be used to identify genus and species; the "scientists" who claim to be forensic investigators and MQ team should know this. So, why not send the specimen to an expert at some uni or museum? A mammalogist would be able to quickly provide at least a preliminary ID.
- The specimen is also known as the "Metepec creature or monster". It sems Maussan, who is known for being linked with UFO hoaxes is somehow related to it or at least promotes it. A quick Googling will provide sources. Not a very good indication, right?

Also, I saw a lot of pictures of tarsiers, aye-ayes and other nocturnal mammals, they aren´t that close. Although some of them reminds it a lot, some features are clearly diffetent, like the skull shape, the hands and feet. This is why they claim it is not a known species. I don´t discard it as being a hoax though, just trying to see where´s the error, if it is with the professionals who investigated or if it is with the sample being a fake of some very persuasive kind, or maybe both!

That´s why I wanted to see conclusions from more biologists and other well versed professionals.
Well, I'm not a bio, but I happen to be married with one. She said it looks like a small primate, possibly the fetus of a marmoset or other small monkey. Maybe even an infant with fur removed- not unlike some anatomic preparations. Note that fetuses and infants will have different body proportions than adult specimens.

Where are the errors? Don't know. May lie within incompetence, gulibility, sensationalism, lack of honesty, etc.

[H3LL]

Fallout, I'm not having a go at you and apologise if that is how it came across.

Everyone, IMHO, has a tendency to fill gaps with unverifiable nonsense, some to a greater degree and some less so and this may change over time one way or another.

You did state that you regretted thinking the claims may be valid so you must, at one stage have considered it plausible that it was an alien. Also, the fact that you were prompted to post here shows some doubt.

Woo you may or may not be - They come in many disguises.

Be that as it may, I applaud your decision to post hear and what seems to be a receptiveness to other, mundane possibilities.

The last a most admirable quality and hard to find.

[H3LL]

How so, when everyone just scoffs at this kind of stuff? Do you think everyone get's their newspapers depending on what ufo stories they are promoting?

I would avoid any tabloid that was presenting an "alien" tale, because they treat the subject with such disrespect.

If "everyone just scoffs at this kind of stuff" it would have little or no commercial value. That is evidently not the case and just something you made up.

What you do and what "everyone" does are two different things again evident by the fact that tabloids with ""alien" tales" do not remain unsold on the news stand. This too is just something you made up.

Anyway, we all know you are an alien princess.

See, I can make stuff up too.

[NagP]

This immediately made me think of the tiny mermaid skeleton, featured in a Circus Side Show, before it was debunked as a fraud- an assembly of parts of different animals.

In my country, people used to make fake mummified monsters from the ancient times.

For example,
Mummified mermaid
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopolis/7651/uma/05.html

water demon (kappa)
http://home.att.ne.jp/red/sronin/_dejikame/kahaku.htm

a dragon
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopolis/7651/uma/08.html

[fallout]

Well, to put it bluntly, yes. There are several rad flags regarding the whole story background and MQ's "investigation" as well. Here are a few; some were already exposed along this thread:

- The backstory: it is conveniently hard to check the specimen's provenance, the guy was killed, and whole the tale about how the critter was found, captured and killed is very hard to believe. The pic of it at the trap looks like a set up; not also that its body position is not that diferent from the position the specimen is currently is.
- The scientists don't seem at all to be following any propper proceedures. One of them is not wearing gloves and the "it could be an evolving species" line is a dead ringer for someone who has little if any clues about biology.
- What exatly was the result: no DNA or unusable DNA? Depending on the specimen preservation method used, DNA will be destroyed or rendered useless.
- Bones and teeth can be used to identify genus and species; the "scientists" who claim to be forensic investigators and MQ team should know this. So, why not send the specimen to an expert at some uni or museum? A mammalogist would be able to quickly provide at least a preliminary ID.
- The specimen is also known as the "Metepec creature or monster". It sems Maussan, who is known for being linked with UFO hoaxes is somehow related to it or at least promotes it. A quick Googling will provide sources. Not a very good indication, right?


Well, I'm not a bio, but I happen to be married with one. She said it looks like a small primate, possibly the fetus of a marmoset or other small monkey. Maybe even an infant with fur removed- not unlike some anatomic preparations. Note that fetuses and infants will have different body proportions than adult specimens.

Where are the errors? Don't know. May lie within incompetence, gulibility, sensationalism, lack of honesty, etc.


I agree with you in this one, I´m considering trying to email some of the identifyable names on that video. I watched it again and for the second time, followed by some other google quick researches revealed what seems to be for me a whole stage for some kind of promotion. The guy who is keeping the remains in that safe is a known TV star in mexico. This and a lot of other small issues that you comment and others that i realized later, points toward exagerations and bias.

Probably another fraud.

[fallout]

Fallout, I'm not having a go at you and apologise if that is how it came across.

Everyone, IMHO, has a tendency to fill gaps with unverifiable nonsense, some to a greater degree and some less so and this may change over time one way or another.

You did state that you regretted thinking the claims may be valid so you must, at one stage have considered it plausible that it was an alien. Also, the fact that you were prompted to post here shows some doubt.

Woo you may or may not be - They come in many disguises.

Be that as it may, I applaud your decision to post hear and what seems to be a receptiveness to other, mundane possibilities.

The last a most admirable quality and hard to find.

No hard feelings , man! Just wanted to clarify it, although I don´t care about such labels when I think I´m right about something, this time I wasn´t question the veracity anymore. Although I cannot seal and trash this case as being a fraud, that´s what my intuition tells me atm.

[Ragnarok]

If "everyone just scoffs at this kind of stuff" it would have little or no commercial value. That is evidently not the case and just something you made up.

What you do and what "everyone" does are two different things again evident by the fact that tabloids with ""alien" tales" do not remain unsold on the news stand. This too is just something you made up.

Anyway, we all know you are an alien princess.

See, I can make stuff up too.

Whatever. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, the descriptor "great story" was made up by you.

They are joke stories, generally taking up about half a page and most of that with a picture of a chinese lantern or something.

[ugot2bekidding]

I just saw the MQ episode. It looks like a marmoset that was skinned alive. The one eye witness even said it appeared to not have any skin.

The 'science' in this show is pathetic. I like how they do scans and stuff and compare it to humans to up the woo factor, when they should instead be comparing it to known small primates. The one scientist called their testing 'historic' before the results were even in.

[Cainkane1]

Welcome to the forums fallout.

I hope this helps:

http://amazingdata.com/a-baby-alien-was-found-alive-by-a-farmer-in-mexico/

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/31/alien-baby-in-metepec-mexico/does-creature-have-brother-who-lives-among-us.html

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/25/alien-baby-or-hoax/bizarre-creature-found-in-mexico-stumps-experts.html

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Not the most reliable news source but fun to see.

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Thats a dead hairless monkey.

[H3LL]

The fact of the matter is, the descriptor "great story" was made up by you..

No. made up by you.

My sentence had a descriptor and a qualifier.

[Ragnarok]

No. made up by you.

My sentence had a descriptor and a qualifier.

w00t! My bad.

[fallout]

I just saw the MQ episode. It looks like a marmoset that was skinned alive. The one eye witness even said it appeared to not have any skin.

The 'science' in this show is pathetic. I like how they do scans and stuff and compare it to humans to up the woo factor, when they should instead be comparing it to known small primates. The one scientist called their testing 'historic' before the results were even in.


The picture of it when "alive" , if not a hoax, doesnt show a skinned primate I guess. Which allows for the conclusion that the picture is... hmmm a make up. :)

[Marduk]

Agreed H3LL, I even feel stupid to even consider it could be the other way now lol. Though, we see a lot of ppl that looks like scientists working on it on the video.



I make an even more convincing pseudo scientist than they do, as well as owning a white coat I also have a name badge and know a few long words
one like fiji-mermaid immediately springs to mind
most importantly I own a box of latex gloves which the tv tells me and anyone else with an I.Q. over zero are essentials when handling biological samples, (take a look at the video at 0:20s)
for some reason none of the "ahem" scientists thought to put any on.
draw your own conclusions,
what I like the most about this though is the fact that its got a pretty obvious fetal rhesus monkey skull stuck on a lizard body
http://www.cmnh.org/site/Img/ResearchandCollections/CastingLabs/PAcasts/rhesusJ.jpg

That and the fact that "head" researcher "Jaime Maussan" has a pedigree for hoaxing so long that theres even a webpage dedicated to it
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/maussan1.html
:D

[Drudgewire]

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/senioralien.JPG

[fallout]

I make an even more convincing pseudo scientist than they do, as well as owning a white coat I also have a name badge and know a few long words
one like fiji-mermaid immediately springs to mind
most importantly I own a box of latex gloves which the tv tells me and anyone else with an I.Q. over zero are essentials when handling biological samples, (take a look at the video at 0:20s)
for some reason none of the "ahem" scientists thought to put any on.
draw your own conclusions,
what I like the most about this though is the fact that its got a pretty obvious fetal rhesus monkey skull stuck on a lizard body
http://www.cmnh.org/site/Img/ResearchandCollections/CastingLabs/PAcasts/rhesusJ.jpg

That and the fact that "head" researcher "Jaime Maussan" has a pedigree for hoaxing so long that theres even a webpage dedicated to it
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/maussan1.html
:D

Hiyas, yeah I agree with you. I don´t know if you did read the whole thread. :)

[Marduk]

I just saw the MQ episode. It looks like a marmoset that was skinned alive. The one eye witness even said it appeared to not have any skin.


how do you know it was skinned alive exactly, were you there when it happened ?

[Marduk]

Hiyas, yeah I agree with you. I don´t know if you did read the whole thread. :)

most of it, its not a marmoset skull though and its not a monkey body
that in itself is more evidence that its a hoax than not, and a long established type of hoaxery too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji_mermaid

[fallout]

how do you know it was skinned alive exactly, were you there when it happened ?

It´s a relief that I can´t even imagine how they would skin the thing while alive and stuck to the trap. I even prefer not to think of it as being possible. Such a cruel alternative.

[fallout]

Honestly that picture could not be of a skinned animal, not without extra photoshop touches or something. Hoax is what it seem to be imo.

[ugot2bekidding]

how do you know it was skinned alive exactly, were you there when it happened ?

I don't know if it was skinned alive. I just said it "looks" like it (as in 'having the appearance of'). I thought it might be a possibility considering what the eye witness claimed. I thought it noteworthy that he said "no skin", as opposed to "no fur".

Also, I once saw a documentary where they showed cats being prepared for consumption in China. They were held in a vat of acid (while still alive) to remove their fur. Their appearance afterwords looked eerily similar to the photo of the creature.

[ugot2bekidding]

Honestly that picture could not be of a skinned animal, not without extra photoshop touches or something. Hoax is what it seem to be imo.

I'm inclined to agree. I was just throwing it out there as a possibility.

[blue sock monkey]

The more I stare at it, the more it looks like an infant chupacabra....

[fallout]

The more I stare at it, the more it looks like an infant chupacabra....

False. Chupacabra revealed to be an evolution of the race dog! That´s why he managed to run away from any attempt of capturing or reporting it, for this long time.


http://www.fbherald.com/articles/2009/09/02/news/doc4a9ea171308f8273387880.txt

:D

[MikeSun5]

I recognized that critter immediately. That's not an alien, that's a snipe. I've never personally caught one, but apparently they're all over North America. ;)

Probably another fraud.

There are plenty of reasons this is fake, and many were listed already. Here's another:

The only source of this story is Die Bild, a German tabloid that's similar to the National Enquirer in America. It's mostly celebrity gossip and crazy attention-grabbing stories that make housewives buy copies while waiting in the supermarket line for their Apfelwein. Not super reliable.

...I'm thinking I should start a new thread on Mexico's facination with aliens. I just got back from a trip to Chichen Itza and I took a video of a carving of an "alien head" at the Great Ball Court. Our guide was super excited about it. I'm not going to lie, it really did look like an alien. Of course it was a little more deteriorated than the other carvings, so it was probably something/someone else. But it was weird anyway. I haven't been able to find any info or images of that particular carving, so I should upload that video to youtube or something...

[fallout]

Yes , Mike,

I agree with that, it´s annoying how mexicans love the alien hype. I bet that is due to the upcoming 2012 madness. They are prolly trying to fit whatever they can to the mayan/aztec calendar predictions of alien uprisings that according to various claims would precede the period of "great changes".

I could help on such a topic about the Mex hype. I would like to find more about that, not only plain bashing.

[MikeSun5]

I bet that is due to the upcoming 2012 madness. They are prolly trying to fit whatever they can to the mayan/aztec calendar predictions of alien uprisings that according to various claims would precede the period of "great changes".

I specifically asked a lot of people about the 2012 stuff, and it was pretty much agreed upon that the world wouldn't end. :relieved:

The Mayans apparently believed the world would "shift" in 2012, but they weren't specific as to what "shift" meant. Most people I spoke with assumed that meant a cultural shift, since the Maya culture had been constantly influenced by their neighbors (Toltecs, Olmecs, etc). Linking the Mayan calender to aliens and doomsday prophecies is a modern American invention.

This little Mexican Martian hoax will just make it worse.

[fallout]

I specifically asked a lot of people about the 2012 stuff, and it was pretty much agreed upon that the world wouldn't end. :relieved:

The Mayans apparently believed the world would "shift" in 2012, but they weren't specific as to what "shift" meant. Most people I spoke with assumed that meant a cultural shift, since the Maya culture had been constantly influenced by their neighbors (Toltecs, Olmecs, etc). Linking the Mayan calender to aliens and doomsday prophecies is a modern American invention.

This little Mexican Martian hoax will just make it worse.

Yep, and in some cases, people are starting to get ingenious at some paralells, do you know the one comparing CERN lhc to the wheel of the mayans inscriptions? That is very creative work of the 2012ers , I must admit!! Scientists will create a "black hole" outta the CERN lhc, and then a "serpent rope" (wormhole) would appear, spilling "god particles" lol...

http://www.examiner.com/x-8698-Sacramento-UFO-Examiner~y2009m9d3-Wormholes-and-Stargates-in-2012


That series of supposed coincidences is a little fun I admit. Let´s see what else the enthusiasts adds to that.

[MikeSun5]

Somebody on one of these threads had a good idea on how to deal with the 2012ers...

If they really believe the world will end on December 21, 2012, then they'll have no problem signing a contract that would transfer all of their possessions and money over to you on December 22, 2012.

:idea: I just thought of something about the "baby alien" from the OP. Who says that's a baby? What if aliens are really small? Assigning human characteristics to something that's supposed to be extraterrestrial is one more thing that makes this seem like a an obvious hoax.

[fallout]

Exactly,

The term "baby" is pure b.s. Maybe the tabloids did bet that using this word would attract more attention because, you know, poor thing... it´s just a baby! SAVE THE CHILDREN!!

[MikeSun5]

Exactly,

The term "baby" is pure b.s. Maybe the tabloids did bet that using this word would attract more attention because, you know, poor thing... it´s just a baby! SAVE THE CHILDREN!!

Didn't he supposedly drown the damn thing for like 2 hours?

Save the children, indeed. :D

[fallout]

Didn't he supposedly drown the damn thing for like 2 hours?

Save the children, indeed. :D


:p