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Undesired Walrus
1st September 2009, 08:04 AM
This article makes the case:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rachel_sylvester/article6816407.ece
After Gordon Brown met Colonel Muammar Gaddafi at the G8 summit in Italy earlier this year he joked that he had discovered Michael Jackson alive and well. There is indeed an uncanny resemblance between the Libyan leader and the King of Pop. But it was not, of course, the singer who asked the Prime Minister to release the Lockerbie bomber. Michael Jackson is dead — and so now is the “special relationship” between Britain and the United States.

The row over the decision to allow Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi to return to Libya is the final nail in the coffin for the transatlantic bond first identified by Winston Churchill after the Second World War. Even Barack Obama abandoned his normal diplomatic tone to criticise the “highly objectionable” arrival of the bomber in Tripoli. Robert Mueller, the head of the FBI, said that the release of the man convicted of murdering 270 people on Pan Am Flight 103 made a “mockery of justice” and would give “comfort to terrorists around the world”. There was a widespread assumption in Washington all along that the decision was linked to a trade deal.


If this article is right, and our almost-certain-to-be next Prime Minister David Cameron is, as was alleged, regarded by Obama as a 'lightweight', is the special relationship heading towards its grave?

Any thoughts on what Obama's opinion on Brown is? If suspect Obama would more likely get on with Miliband, if he were PM. Their intellect seems similar.

It's been said Obama highly respects Blair. It was demonstrated by his tribute to him at the White House earlier this year ("he (Blair) did it first and perhaps did it better than I will do"). It was a shame they were never in office at the same time. Miliband may be the closest that comes to him in the near future.

Fiona
1st September 2009, 08:50 AM
Do you have a view on what this "special relationship" comprised?

funk de fino
1st September 2009, 09:07 AM
There is a relationship. It will carry on.

Undesired Walrus
1st September 2009, 10:16 AM
Do you have a view on what this "special relationship" comprised?

A good working relationship between two Governments and a close relationship between the two leaders.

dudalb
1st September 2009, 11:34 AM
If the rumors that the Lockerbie release was primarily done for economic reasons, with the cancer just being a convienent justification, then, yeah, the Special Relationship might be in real danger .

Beerina
1st September 2009, 12:47 PM
A trillion dollars of assistance, in modern money, and tens of thousands of lives and aiding in WWII.

Churchill's "special relationship" was intended to lock down that intimacy, if you will, as a hedge against unforeseen but probable (he was a historian) future problems.


It won't be killed because this or that generation cheated on their wives.

BillC
1st September 2009, 06:05 PM
The relationship has certainly been a lot worse than it is right now, and has come back.

What about the Suez Crisis in 1956?

The 'terminal state' of the relationship isn't even on CNN's webpage now.

Darth Rotor
1st September 2009, 07:48 PM
Do you have a view on what this "special relationship" comprised?
The term you sought is "comprises." Present tense. The assumption embedded in the use of the past tense is not supported by evidence, least of all this latest matter.

GlennB
2nd September 2009, 12:22 AM
Any thoughts on what Obama's opinion on Brown is? If suspect Obama would more likely get on with Miliband, if he were PM. Their intellect seems similar.


Miliband has an intellect? I thought he was a 'droid.

Puppycow
2nd September 2009, 12:29 AM
I think there will be a continued "special relationship" if only because of a common language and shared cultural history. How could it be otherwise? Yes, there will be tensions from time-to-time, but they won't kill the relationship.

SezMe
2nd September 2009, 01:16 AM
As long as Darat and Lisa continue to get on, "special" is a weak term. :)

But seriously, any effects this will have on the overall relationship will be transitory and diffuse.

Comsat Angel
2nd September 2009, 12:18 PM
As long as we get "Bones", "Monk" and "House", and as long as the Yanks get "Doctor Who", the special relationship will prosper.