The Jews caused Germany to lose WW1

[Thunder]

So, are local Holocaust-deniers believe that the Jews caused Germany to lose WW1.

Germany lost WW1 primarily due to America's entry into the war on the side of Britain.

This was caused by the Zimmerman Letter, which offered Mexico Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico, if they joined the war on the side of Germany.

America also joined the war due to the sinking of the well-known HMS Lusitania, and the less known SS Housatonic and SS California, where many American civilians were killed.

And, Germany restarted unrestricted submarine warfare, which would have led to many more dead American civilians.

So.........I'd like to know....how the Jews forced Germany to do all of these things?

I'd like some evidence that the Jews forced these events. Otherwise, blaiming the Jews for Germany's loss during WW1 (100,000 German Jews fought for Germany btw), is nothing but irrational hatred of Jews.

What say you? What ya got gentlemen?

[blutoski]

So, are local Holocaust-deniers believe that the Jews caused Germany to lose WW1.

Germany lost WW1 primarily due to America's entry into the war on the side of Britain.

This was caused by the Zimmerman Letter, which offered Mexico Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico, if they joined the war on the side of Germany.

America also joined the war due to the sinking of the well-known HMS Lusitania, and the less known SS Housatonic and SS California, where many American civilians were killed.

And, Germany restarted unrestricted submarine warfare, which would have led to many more dead American civilians.

So.........I'd like to know....how the Jews forced Germany to do all of these things?

I'd like some evidence that the Jews forced these events. Otherwise, blaiming the Jews for Germany's loss during WW1 (100,000 German Jews fought for Germany btw), is nothing but irrational hatred of Jews.

What say you? What ya got gentlemen?

My impression is that the conspiracymongers will surprise you.

[donning conspiracymonger hat]

Only dupes believe that the Germans lost the war to the Americans. The reality is that the Jooz had already corrupted the German war effort by introducing influenza virus in the form of a so-called vaccination campaign. The Jooz had pretty much wound down their plan to decimate Germany in its infancy (which they rightly recognized as their only true global threat).

It's a fact that the Jooz actually did overkill in the early years, sabotaging German war production to the point where the front almost collapsed in 1914 when they lost access to saltpeter from their colonies. However, they assigned their agent [Friz Haber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber)] to develop a chemical technology for creating saltpeter-like ammonia compounds for explosives and the war effort could be extended another three years. In an effort to increase suffering, the traditional enemy ordered him to develop chlorine gas. The point of the exercise was to prolong the killing machine and to maximize German suffering. To twist the knife, this mass-murderer and traitor Haber was awarded the Iron Cross.

Did you know Haber's lab developed Zyklon B? Oh, yes. Even while destroying the infant Germany, they were sowing the seeds for a future scam.

[removing conspiracymonger hat, and stepping into a long shower with plenty of scrubbing]

[Thunder]

Funny. =)

anyways, I'd like to see evidence that the Zionists forged the Zimmermann letter to frame Germany and awaken the sleeping American beast, the Zionists forced Germany to sink the HMS Lusitania, SS Housatonic, and SS California, and the Zionists forced Germany to restart unrestricted sub warfare in the Atlantic.

I'd also like to know why 100,000 German Jews fought for Germany during WW1. Believe it or not, the Nazis actually treated these Jews better then all the other Jews they came across. Most died from starvation and disease at Theriesenstadt, though.

Oh, I know some Neo-Nazi will post quotes from Benjamin Freedman, known anti-Semite and self-hating Jew. But like all other Holocaust-deniers, Freedman only had wild accusations......but zero evidence.

[The Man]

Funny. =)

anyways, I'd like to see evidence that the Zionists forged the Zimmermann letter to frame Germany and awaken the sleeping American beast, the Zionists forced Germany to sink the HMS Lusitania, SS Housatonic, and SS California, and the Zionists forced Germany to restart unrestricted sub warfare in the Atlantic.

I'd also like to know why 100,000 German Jews fought for Germany during WW1. Believe it or not, the Nazis actually treated these Jews better then all the other Jews they came across. Most died from starvation and disease at Theriesenstadt, though.

Oh, I know some Neo-Nazi will post quotes from Benjamin Freedman, known anti-Semite and self-hating Jew. But like all other Holocaust-deniers, Freedman only had wild accusations......but zero evidence.

Well they control everything, didn’t you know that?

The interesting point comes to mind, what if the Nazis hadn’t wasted so much resources in genocide on the second round?

[Thunder]

Well they control everything, didn’t you know that?

The interesting point comes to mind, what if the Nazis hadn’t wasted so much resources in genocide on the second round?

i soooo wanna jump on this one...but i won't derail my own thread.

[The Man]

i soooo wanna jump on this one...but i won't derail my own thread.

Well sorry for giving you that derail inclination, but it was just a thought that came to me at the time and I think that is where the WW1 revisionism started. As the lighting rod that resulted in the Nazis obtaining power (one of the reasons that we can not let such revisionism happen again).

[Aepervius]

Germany lost WW1 primarily due to America's entry into the war on the side of Britain.

Just a nitpick, but although American (and canadian , australian...) entries to the "great war" accelerated the fall of the german front, a good point can be made that by that point germany would have lost anyway,mostly because internal strife would have forced them to armistice. Americans only accelerated the outcome.

On a unrelated derail what is this with Americans wanting to be the SOLE reason all WW were won by the allied, instead of say, being contributor ?

[Thunder]

Just a nitpick, but although American (and canadian , australian...) entries to the "great war" accelerated the fall of the german front, a good point can be made that by that point germany would have lost anyway,mostly because internal strife would have forced them to armistice. Americans only accelerated the outcome.

On a unrelated derail what is this with Americans wanting to be the SOLE reason all WW were won by the allied, instead of say, being contributor ?

well, ya see, Neo-Nazis argue that before the USA joined WW1, Germany was set to win the war hands down.

But then the Jews somehow got the USA to join the war (maybe Wilson was a crypto-Jew?), and that turned the tide against der Vaterland.

I'm still waiting to hear how the Zionists forced Deustschland to destroy the Lusitania, the Housatonic, and the California. And we forced Germany to offer Mexico...Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico. Amazing we Jews is.

[Skeptic]

Two old jokes about this, from the post WWI era:

-The Jews are to blame. They stabbed us in the back.
-No, the bicycles are to blame. They stabbed us in the back.
-How did the bicycle do that?
-How did the Jews?

-Why did we lose the war, class? Johnny!
-The Jews. They were spies.
-Right! Anybody else?
-The Jews. They were generals.
-Jewish generals in our army?!
-No, in the French army...

P.S.

As Ron Rosenbaum noted, there was a stab in the back... not of the army by the politicians, but of the politicians by the Army.

The German army begged the politicians to find some solution, any solution, that would allow it to march return home after an honorable defeat instead of to flee home after the fronts collapsed.

The politicians did just that -- and then the army stabbed them in the back, claiming the armistice, which it begged them for, was a "stab in the back" that prevented the army from winning.

[Comsat Angel]

Welllllllll - General Monash, the commander of the AIF (Australian Imperial Force) was Jewish, and widely regarded as one of the best tactical commanders in the BEF. The Australian Corps were also regarded as some of the best divisions in the BEF (not least by themselves!). So - case proven!

The reason Germany lost was because their army was being battered to bits on the Western Front. They either accepted the Armistice or Germany would have come in for a little once-over-lightly of the Somme and Passchendaele treatment.

(Comsat Angels signs off on what could become a degree thesis so easily ....)

[ddt]

The German army begged the politicians to find some solution, any solution, that would allow it to march return home after an honorable defeat instead of to flee home after the fronts collapsed.

The politicians did just that -- and then the army stabbed them in the back, claiming the armistice, which it begged them for, was a "stab in the back" that prevented the army from winning.

"Begged" is not the right word. Hindenburg and Ludendorff plainly said to the Kaiser that collapse on the front was imminent and that Germany must surrender. They ordered that a politician go and sign the surrender and refused to do it themselves. Erzberger, of the Catholic Zentrum party, and a long-time advocate of stopping the war, took the job. Indeed, the army command quite purposely set up the backstab legend from the get-go.

ETA: see also my post that made it to this month's TLA finals (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152690). Gotta make some publicity for that. :)

According to Jewwatch, Erzberger is also a Jew. :jaw-dropp

[timhau]

Just a nitpick, but although American (and canadian , australian...) entries to the "great war" accelerated the fall of the german front, a good point can be made that by that point germany would have lost anyway,mostly because internal strife would have forced them to armistice.

Can you guess who is to blame for that internal strife?

[Dave Rogers]

Germany lost WW1 primarily due to America's entry into the war on the side of Britain.

This was caused by the Zimmerman Letter, which offered Mexico Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico, if they joined the war on the side of Germany.

Dude, Zimmerman is a totally Jewish name. How much more proof do you want?

Dave

[Uzzy]

Of further note is the fact that the German High Command tried to find a scapegoat for failures in the war back in 1916, and figured the Jews would make a good target, so they launched their Judenzahlung. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung)The Military hoped to find proof that the German Jews weren't doing their duty, but ultimately found that they were volunteering for frontline duty in disproportionate numbers. One explanation for this might be that German Jews saw WW1 as a great opportunity to prove their loyalty to the Reich in a era of growing anti-Semitism.

By the end of the war, 12,000 German Jews had died for Germany, 35,000 being decorated for bravery. 100,000 served in total. If anything, they were stabbed in the back by their commanders searching around for a scapegoat to excuse their own incompetence.

[Giz]

So, are local Holocaust-deniers believe that the Jews caused Germany to lose WW1.




One of the perks of being nuts is that your beliefs don't have to make sense. Take the case of Walther Rathenau, wealthy industrialist, he was an ardent German nationalist who was instrumental in increasing and maintaining German industrial production in WW1 enabling Germany to fight far harder for far longer than it would have been able to without his efforts. So what did other (proto-nazi) nationalists do to him after the war? ... assassinate him of course!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_Rathenau


Germany lost WW1 primarily due to America's entry into the war on the side of Britain.



Hmmm, I'd say that Germany lost WW1 primarily due to the grinding carnage of the Wetern Front and the economic impact of the British blockade.

America's impact on the war ended up being less about the fighting and more about triggering the German's last ditch offensive effort to win the war quickly in the spring of 1918 which (when defeated by the Brits and French) completed the breaking of the German Army's morale.

Incidentally, the slow pace of American military impact in WW1 probably helped to convince Hitler that declaring war on the US in WW2 would be survivable. So there's a silver lining!

[Thunder]

Notice how our local Neo-Nazis are TOTALLY evading this topic.

I guess they know that their accusations are just baseless and stupid. The Jews did not force anyone to either win or lose WW1. Such a suggestion is insane and irrational.

And yes, Walther Rathenau. Argued that German Jews should reject both Socialism AND Zionism, assimilate into German life as much as possible, and such would bring about the end to anti-Semitism in Germany.

He helped put Germany on a war footing in a major way. But clearly he was not patriotic and nationalistic enough...for the anti-Semites.

[Giz]

Take the case of Walther Rathenau, wealthy industrialist, he was an ardent German nationalist who was instrumental in increasing and maintaining German industrial production in WW1 enabling Germany to fight far harder for far longer than it would have been able to without his efforts. So what did other (proto-nazi) nationalists do to him after the war? ... assassinate him of course!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_Rathenau




Hmmm, after re-reading I guess I forgot to note that Rathenau was Jewish... the post might have seemed more relevant with that factoid included!


Edit - Parky beat me by 2 minutes!

[Major Major]

Oh, definitely

This one for example:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/frankl.php

Why, he treacherously sabotaged the Reich war effort by shooting down twenty English airplanes!

Uh . . . I suppose they'll have to get back to us on that.

:blackcat:

[Giz]

Oh, definitely

This one for example:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/frankl.php

Why, he treacherously sabotaged the Reich war effort by shooting down twenty English airplanes!

Uh . . . I suppose they'll have to get back to us on that.

:blackcat:

Ahh, easy! Sabotaging the Reich's war effort by using up all their ammunition!

[Thunder]

Oh, definitely

This one for example:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/frankl.php

Why, he treacherously sabotaged the Reich war effort by shooting down twenty English airplanes!

Uh . . . I suppose they'll have to get back to us on that.

:blackcat:

Powerful website. Not only did the Jews NOT betray Germany, but it appears to be the exact opposite, that Germany betrayed its Jews.

100,000 Jews...out of a total population of 600,000 German Jews..fought for Germany during WW1.

How could anyone honestly argue that the Jews caused Germany to lose the war when soooo many Jews risked their lives for Germany????????????

And of the most ironic of all ironies, it was a Jewish lieutenant, Hugo Gutmann, who awarded the Iron Cross, First Class, to a 29-year-old corporal named Adolf Hitler.

[Matthew Cline]

America also joined the war due to the sinking of the well-known HMS Lusitania, and the less known SS Housatonic and SS California, where many American civilians were killed.

To play Devil's advocate, how do we know that those ships were sunk by the Germans? Where's the evidence? Was there any investigation at all into who was responsible? Maybe those ships had 3" rebar on 4' centers explosives planted on them which were used to make it look like the Germans sunk them.

[dudalb]

To play Devil's advocate, how do we know that those ships were sunk by the Germans? Where's the evidence? Was there any investigation at all into who was responsible? Maybe those ships had 3" rebar on 4' centers explosives planted on them which were used to make it look like the Germans sunk them.



Wow, that is worthy of a 9/11 Truther.

[Thunder]

To play Devil's advocate, how do we know that those ships were sunk by the Germans? Where's the evidence? Was there any investigation at all into who was responsible? Maybe those ships had 3" rebar on 4' centers explosives planted on them which were used to make it look like the Germans sunk them.

Right. Maybe the Jews lined the hulls of the Lusitania, the California, and the Housatonic with nano-thermite.

And Arthur Zimmerman forged his offer to the Mexicans with the help of the Jewish Legion. And the 100,000 Jews who fought for Germany were really double agents!!!

[Matthew Cline]

Right. Maybe the Jews lined the hulls of the Lusitania, the California, and the Housatonic with nano-thermite.

I heard that a top-secret Israeli military lab developed a time machine, so that's totally plausible. I bet they developed the Spanish Flu in their biotech labs and used the time machine to create the 1918 pandemic, too.

And the 100,000 Jews who fought for Germany were really double agents!!!

Well, obviously. The Joos are dirty backstabbers, so why else would they have joined the army?

[Skeptic]

By the end of the war, 12,000 German Jews had died for Germany, 35,000 being decorated for bravery. 100,000 served in total. If anything, they were stabbed in the back by their commanders searching around for a scapegoat to excuse their own incompetence.

During the war, there was a movement by antisemitic parties in Germany to publish call-up statistics, to prove the Jews were shirkers and profiteers and didn't serve in the front. The attempt was quickly abandoned when it turned out the statistics proved the exact opposite.

I know someone whose grandfather's brother served as a captain in the Germany army in WWI. As Hitler rose to power, his brother -- my friend's grandfather -- left to Palestine, warning his brother that Hitler was bad news. The captain wouldn't hear of moving: he is a German. After the war, the captain, now a refugee who lost everything in the holocaust, joined his brother. The brother asked: "well, are you still a German?". The captain's reply: "You don't think some pathetic Austrian corporal will determine if I am a German or not!"

[kittynh]

I still blame the art school that wouldn't admit Hitler.

[Damien Evans]

Just a nitpick, but although American (and canadian , australian...) entries to the "great war" accelerated the fall of the german front, a good point can be made that by that point germany would have lost anyway,mostly because internal strife would have forced them to armistice. Americans only accelerated the outcome.

On a unrelated derail what is this with Americans wanting to be the SOLE reason all WW were won by the allied, instead of say, being contributor ?

WTF?

Canadian and Australian entry to the war accelerated Germanys downfall?
Since we both were at war as soon as Britain declared it I'd very much like to hear your reasoning behind this "theory".

[Skeptic]

I still blame the art school that wouldn't admit Hitler.

--"Er, maybe we should admit him, Professor; give the guy a break..."
--"What? And lower our standards? Never! You start doing that, it might lead to catastrophic consequences! Don't play with fire like that!"

[Thunder]

any ideas why 9-11 Investigator and others have avoided this topic like the plague? Is it because they know they got nuthin on this topic?

Let me help them out.

The Jews causes Germany to lose WW1 because they......

[kookbreaker]

any ideas why 9-11 Investigator and others have avoided this topic like the plague? Is it because they know they got nuthin on this topic?

Let me help them out.

The Jews causes Germany to lose WW1 because they......

Didn't summon enough Golems?

[Moss]

.. didn't summon the Lashes of Fire to strike down the evil french colonial soldiers from Africa?

[timhau]

The Jews causes Germany to lose WW1 because they......

... hid the Ark of the Covenant. They further caused Germany to lose WW2 because they burned the user's manual.

[Thunder]

The Jews causes Germany to lose WW1 because they......

weren't blond enough..and the blond hair causes the Brits and Americans to go blind due to the sun's reflection.

hence..the Jews stabbed Germany in the back..and deserved being shipped East....to Auschwitz.

[Matthew Cline]

Hey, this doesn't seem to be blaming it on the Jews, but take a look at this:

You know what? You would have been one of those people in 1915 saying "There's NO WAY the government would sacrifice over a thousand people JUST so they could get dragged into a war", but guess what - we NOW KNOW that the sinking of the Lusitania was exactly that.

The ads placed by the German embassy in the US newspapers warning about u-boat attacks were a response to reports to the German embassy that armaments were being carried as cargo on a passenger ship. Look it up... and try somewhere other than Wikipedia... who do you think was loading armaments on to the Lusitania, headed for England? It was an extension of the lend-lease scheme.

The truth about the warnings before the sinking of the Lusitania, whilst the US claimed they had no knowledge about German uboats. No-one could believe that the US would send a passenger ship deliberately into uboat infested waters, but it's now known that they did.

So, then, the U.S. purposefully provoked Germany into firing on the Lusitania so that it'd have an excuse to enter WWI. This could easily be adapted by an anti-Semite into "The Jews pulled strings in the U.S. government to get it to deliberately provoke Germany into firing on the Lusitania".

[Skeptic]

Didn't summon enough Golems?

Do you have any idea how many christian babies go into the making of even one golem?

P.S.

Firefox's spellchecker doesn't recognize "golem", and suggests, as a first correction, "Goldman". I think the Jews who created firefox are trying to tell us something, don't you think?

[Tolls]

"lend lease" in 1915?
Blimey, that started 25 years earlier than I though then...