Bestiality

[metropolis_part_one]

Does anyone have a problem with consensual bestiality, and if so, why?

[The Don]

Who consents, the person, the beastie or both ?

I think this has been done to death in the last few months

[metropolis_part_one]

Obviously both would have to consent!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one
Obviously both would have to consent! How does one tell if an animal has given consent? Difinitively, I mean?

[wollery]

I'm into sadism, necrophilia and bestiality!

Am I flogging a dead horse?

:D

[metropolis_part_one]

Originally posted by Upchurch
How does one tell if an animal has given consent? Difinitively, I mean?

If the animal initiates the act, then clearly it consents to the act.

[Bikewer]

Hehe- it was recently pointed out that though our state has laws against animal abuse, cruelty, fighting, etc, there is no statute on the books prohibiting bestiality.

They do say the legislature is drawn from the rural areas....

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one
Does anyone have a problem with consensual bestiality, and if so, why?

how does the beast give you concent? are you DR Doolittle?

[Marc]

Originally posted by wollery
I'm into sadism, necrophilia and bestiality!

Am I flogging a dead horse?

:D http://members.cox.net/draft2/Smileys/dedhorse.gif

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one

If the animal initiates the act, then clearly it consents to the act. Take a dog for example (since they are the animals I'm most familiar with). If a dog were to start humping your leg, would you consider that consent?

[diddidit]

What about a cat and a blanket? Does the blanket have to consent to ThorPig's amorous advances?

did

[Upchurch]

Well, my point was going to be that when a dog humps a person's leg it is usually an act of dominence and should not be construed as a desire to engage in sexual relations. Heck, I have two female dogs and they will occasionally do that to one another to show dominance.

So, in light of the fact that certain behaviors can not be completely understood between the species, how can consent ever be understood to be given?

[hgc]

Originally posted by Upchurch
... I have two female dogs and they will occasionally do that to one another to show dominance.
...Your dogs are lesbians.

http://rickman.com/brett/gifs/business.gif

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by hgc
Your dogs are lesbians.Worse. They are sisters. So, they are incestual lesbians.

[shecky]

Maybe you could start a porn-for-pets industry. This would be a great video for the no-puppy-zone of the local pet shop.

You could even market strap on toys for such dominant females.

:p

[scribble]

There are different types of bestiality, and your question doesn't really indicate what type you're talking about.

I'm not sure we want too much clarification on the matter, though.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by scribble
There are different types of bestiality, and your question doesn't really indicate what type you're talking about.

I'm not sure we want too much clarification on the matter, though.
I'm into astronecropyrobestiality personally. That's when you go into space, set a dead animal on fire and make sweet love to it.

NASA has rejected my astronaut application for some reason...

[Bikewer]

Perhaps the whole thing is a genetic leftover from our primitive ancestors.

Gerald Durrell, author-zoologist-animal collector, recalls a situation in one of his camps in Africa. A chimp that had been obtained from a local family (they'd been keeping it as a pet) was normally kept tethered under a shady tree during the day.

The chimp would wait patiently for camp chickens to wander into his area, then grab and rape them. The chickens would run off outraged, and the chimp would settle back under his tree.

:D

[wollery]

Originally posted by Bikewer
Perhaps the whole thing is a genetic leftover from our primitive ancestors.

Gerald Durrell, author-zoologist-animal collector, recalls a situation in one of his camps in Africa. A chimp that had been obtained from a local family (they'd been keeping it as a pet) was normally kept tethered under a shady tree during the day.

The chimp would wait patiently for camp chickens to wander into his area, then grab and rape them. The chickens would run off outraged, and the chimp would settle back under his tree.

:D
Camp chickens? Didn't it go for the butch ones then? :D

[Mercutio]

Ok, this is a sick thought, but why do we care whether the animal consents? Do we ask for consent before we kill and eat it? Surely that is worse that what is suggested in this thread.

[toddjh]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Ok, this is a sick thought, but why do we care whether the animal consents? Do we ask for consent before we kill and eat it? Surely that is worse that what is suggested in this thread.

I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. Consent is a non-issue for animals. We don't require their consent for anything else -- if we did, my cats would never go to the vet.

Jeremy

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one
Does anyone have a problem with consensual bestiality, and if so, why?

Of course not!

When I was married, I had consensual sex with wife and only later did I find out just what a big dog she was.

:p

[Jon_in_london]

Bestiality has really gone to the dogs. Incest however, is still a game the whole family can play.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by scribble
There are different types of bestiality, and your question doesn't really indicate what type you're talking about.

I'm not sure we want too much clarification on the matter, though.


Let us know just before we have had ' too ' much...

[epepke]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one
Does anyone have a problem with consensual bestiality, and if so, why?

Well, I wish I could figure out a way to stop Bosco the Undifferentiated Terrier from trying to lick my penis when I come to bed. Does that count as opposition?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by epepke


Well, I wish I could figure out a way to stop Bosco the Undifferentiated Terrier from trying to lick my penis when I come to bed. Does that count as opposition?

I think this is what scribble was talking about..

[fhios]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Ok, this is a sick thought, but why do we care whether the animal consents? Do we ask for consent before we kill and eat it? Surely that is worse that what is suggested in this thread.

Actually, isn't this a pretty good arguement for vegetarianism? If we think that animals have enough ability to percieve pain and humiliation to be victimizable by rape, then mustn't we assume their ability to percieve the tragedy of their own deaths and/or those of others?

[wraith]

....another top quality thread here....

[athon]

Originally posted by WildCat

I'm into astronecropyrobestiality personally. That's when you go into space, set a dead animal on fire and make sweet love to it.

NASA has rejected my astronaut application for some reason...

My friends and I had a game in highschool where we would try to string together as many different prefixes to see who could come up with the longest '-philia.

I came up with necrobeastipedapodapyroaphelia - the love of setting fire to dead, baby animal's feet.

Or substitute in '-phobia'...whatever.

Athon

[daenku32]

What about the people who's job is to extract semen from animals?

They do it by hand don't they. With humans this would be considered a sexual act..

[Keneke]

Originally posted by athon


My friends and I had a game in highschool where we would try to string together as many different prefixes to see who could come up with the longest '-philia.

I came up with necrobeastipedapodapyroaphelia - the love of setting fire to dead, baby animal's feet.

Or substitute in '-phobia'...whatever.

Athon

Naw, the best was pedonecrobeastiality....doin' dead puppies.

[scribble]

Originally posted by daenku32
What about the people who's job is to extract semen from animals?

They do it by hand don't they. With humans this would be considered a sexual act..

Interesting point. They do do it by hand. It's not a particularly sexual experience by any means, though - even the animal on the receiving end doesn't usually seem to be very into it.

[Dorian Gray]

Interesting point. They do do it by hand. It's not a particularly sexual experience by any means, though - even the animal on the receiving end doesn't usually seem to be very into it.
Are you sure you aren't anthropomorphizing based on the responses from your own sexual partners?

sorry about that

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by scribble


Interesting point. They do do it by hand. It's not a particularly sexual experience by any means, though - even the animal on the receiving end doesn't usually seem to be very into it.

You seem to be well informed about this.. Can you expand?

[sorgoth]

Pyronecrophilia - Doing the ashes.

"But...it's so warm !"

[El Greco]

I've seen a documentary where they were taking semen from an unconscious lion by electrically stimulating the prostate.

If you are going to use the masculine properties of an animal isn't consent necessary ?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Diogenes


You seem to be well informed about this.. Can you expand?

I've some experience with taking sperm samples for breeding animals. They're fascinating under the microscope. Sperm counts and other health checks are just as important for breeding animals as for a breeding human. :)

I don't know what you'd like to know about it. The animals I've had experience with ejaculate with only minor stimulation.

Edited to add: I assure you it's all very clinical.

[scribble]

Originally posted by El Greco
I've seen a documentary where they were taking semen from an unconscious lion by electrically stimulating the prostate.

If you are going to use the masculine properties of an animal isn't consent necessary ?

Ouch!

"Er, excuse me, Mr. Lion, do you mind if I just stick this cattle prod up your butt?"

How do you get consent for that?

I assume it's just like the sort of thing I'm talking about. Were they having breeding issues with this lion? In any case, it sounds like a clinical process, not a sexual one.

[Bikewer]

Years ago, we took the kid to see a "birds & bees" documentary that was highly touted.

They showed footage of a fellow whose job it was to collect bull semen.
They built a facsimile "cow" on a wheeled frame, covered with cowhide, and dosed with appropriate pheremones. The bull would dutifully mount this contraption.
The collector sat inside with a large (like LARGE) tube with a sheet rubber thingy over the end.

When the bulls rather large member came into the framework, the guy would slap the tube over the thing, and hopefully collect a full load.
Some job.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by metropolis_part_one


If the animal initiates the act, then clearly it consents to the act.

Then why is satutory rape illegal?

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Ok, this is a sick thought, but why do we care whether the animal consents? Do we ask for consent before we kill and eat it? Surely that is worse that what is suggested in this thread.

Arguably, killing and eating an animal is necessary. Sex with them is not.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by fhios


Actually, isn't this a pretty good arguement for vegetarianism? If we think that animals have enough ability to percieve pain and humiliation to be victimizable by rape, then mustn't we assume their ability to percieve the tragedy of their own deaths and/or those of others?

Some animals seem to be aware of death, some don't.

I think bestiality reflects more on the perpetrator though.

[metropolis_part_one]

Arguably, killing and eating an animal is necessary. Sex with them is not.

In some countries eating animals is necessary for survival. This is not true of most developed countries though. And the claim that because something is not necessary, it is wrong, does not really hold up. There is not much left in our world today that is truly 'necessary' for our survival.
As for bestiality reflecting on the perpetrator, yes, of course it does. But this does not make it wrong:
I hold that as long as animals are slaughtered for food, there can be no objection to bestiality as consent is clearly not an issue with 'animals'.