New Day: The latest truther fictionary

[Graham2001]

With the 11th of September fast approaching I thought I'd start a thread covering a film that is going to be released on the 12th of September.

As mentioned in the "Loose Change: An American Coup" thread Dylan Avery has a 'starring' (He appears as himself) role in a dramatized account of the 9/11 event called "New Day"

The plot synopsis on IMDB is as follows:

Robert and Alison Logan were married less than a year when Alison boarded American Airlines Flight 77 on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Later that morning, Robert watched in horror as televised news reports told him that Alison's fight had been hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon. Eight years later, Robert has pulled his life back together and relocated to the Midwest. Still haunted by the memory of Alison, he has married Rachel, a clinical psychiatrist, and they share an idyllic life with Rachel's daughter Carly. The peaceful calm of Robert and Rachel's life is torn apart when a research project Rachel is working on includes a brain damaged patient at a secure hospital who bears a striking resemblance to Alison. Both Robert and Rachel embark on their own personal investigations, for separate reasons, to discover the truth about the woman in the hospital. Their inquiries attract the attention of the ruthless Agent Ross, who will stop at nothing to keep the identity of the woman in the hospital a secret.

New Day (2009), L'Oiseau Blanc Films (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1311079/)

This is not the first time the truthers have tried the Dan Brown 'dramatized account' route (Anyone remember "The Proof"?) and it certainly won't be the last time.

[Brainster]

Hmmm, I don't remember the Proof but The Reflecting Pool, Able Danger, and Who Killed John O'Neill are three other examples of (acknowledged) fictional 9-11 "Truth" movies.

[Justin39640]

theres a trailer for it too
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and a website (http://www.newdaythemovie.com/index.html)

[mythstifieD]

theres a trailer for it too
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and a website (http://www.newdaythemovie.com/index.html)

Wow... Just... Wow...

Like, they have this nutty guy breaking it to this poor heart broken dude that just wants to move on, that his wife is REALLY alive because no plane actually hit the Pentagon. That's just amazing that they would try to give the families this weird sense of hope that maybe, just maybe the flights were diverted elsewhere and that their family members are still fighting for their freedom somewhere (I once heard a Truther claim they were the mysterious prisoners at G-Bay).

This certainly goes to show what Avery thinks may have happened on 9/11, he claims to have no theories but then he "stars" in a (really cheesey) movie that purports that bodies found at the Pentagon of the pilots and passengers, were FAKED..

This is a sad sad sad sad man...

[Brainster]

Yow, that trailer is really, really offensive. I didn't think they could do a fictional 9-11 Troof film that was worse than the "documentaries", but it looks like it happened here.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Their inquiries attract the attention of the ruthless Agent Ross, who will stop at nothing to keep the identity of the woman in the hospital a secret.


Yeah... he'll stop at nothing... except, of course, just killing "Alison" in the first place so that there's absolutely no chance of this even happening.

You know... it amazes me sometimes how very similar movies and conspiracy theories are, in that they both rely on the audience's suspension of disbelief to get past any glaring plot holes.

[Sam.I.Am]

As mentioned above. Any claim that they do what they do "For the families" is utterly destroyed.

[Blackadder_no]

theres a trailer for it too
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and a website (http://www.newdaythemovie.com/index.html)

Oh god... Who the heck did the cinematography on this one? Alan Smithee?

[rjh01]

Just checked some of the names on IMDb. None of them have much experience. The best has bit parts in several movies. I predict this will be in the cinemas a week or two, in only a few cinemas then go to DVD. You would be lucky to be able to watch it on TV. Then you will be able to buy it dirt cheap. Would not have cost a lot to make and it would probably make a loss.

[A W Smith]

Just checked some of the names on IMDb. None of them have much experience. The best has bit parts in several movies. I predict this will be in the cinemas a week or two, in only a few cinemas then go to DVD. You would be lucky to be able to watch it on TV. Then you will be able to buy it dirt cheap. Would not have cost a lot to make and it would probably make a loss.


its not even going to be in the cinemas. its debuting at an art museum. check the web page.

[tuc0]

Judging from the trailer trash and the movie poster that hurt my brain, this will obviously never see the inside of a cinema. Nowadays, with cheap HD cameras available to any attention whore, there are hundreds of amateurish films coming out every week. Unless they put it up on youtube this will be seen by maybe 500 people.

[McHrozni]

You would be lucky to be able to watch it on TV.

You have a rather curius definition of "luck" :)

McHrozni

[rjh01]

its not even going to be in the cinemas. its debuting at an art museum. check the web page.


You are right. Tried to find a cinema where it is showing and came up blank. It will not be shown in Australia and very doubtful in the USA. It may be hard to buy even on DVD. I revise my previous post to say this movie was made cheap and will lose most of the money invested. Wonder who the idiots who put money money into are? Not anyone with any sense.

[grandthefttoaster]

Hmmm, I don't remember the Proof but The Reflecting Pool, Able Danger, and Who Killed John O'Neill are three other examples of (acknowledged) fictional 9-11 "Truth" movies.

So there are at least five fiction movies about 9/11 conspiracies?

[fitzgibbon]

So there are at least five fiction movies about 9/11 conspiracies?

Yeah. Loose Change. :D

[fourtoe]

omg Near the end of the trailer you see a short clip of I think the evil agent raping the main character's second wife, Rachel. They put a clip of a rape seen into their trailer, this movie is pure exploitation.

I wonder how much screen time Dylan gets in this movie.

[Lupie]

Wow,

This makes Battlefield Earth and Speed Racer look like Academy Award material. But I do have to give them credit.
The actress/wife character in the purple shirt is kinda hot.

L.

[T.A.M.]

Well at least now they have the right category for all their theories.

TAM:)

[Horatius]

Let us not forget the blockbuster book "The Shell Game", (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Shell-Game/Steve-Alten/e/9781599550947) featuring Boy Hero Ace Futrell.

[Graham2001]

Hmmm, I don't remember the Proof but The Reflecting Pool, Able Danger, and Who Killed John O'Neill are three other examples of (acknowledged) fictional 9-11 "Truth" movies.

It's the other Truther produced 9/11 "Truth" fictionalized account. Same plot as New Day from the looks of the trailer. Someone discovers proof of US Govt monkey business and has to flee from the agents of The Man.

I think it was discussed on this forum a few months back but I haven't been able to find the thread.

The trailer however is on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNTu0vhnBOU

And is about as dire as they come, complete with an Alex Jones lookalike to provide sage advice to the 'hero'.

And if you want to give $10 to a really important cause (NOT) then you can order the film from the website below which has a summary of the 'plot' along with a really dire poster.

Bradly Infotainment Website (http://www.bradleyinfotainment.com/pages/index.php?pID=577), leave your brains at the door when you click here.

These guys didn't even make the IMDB.

[Scott Sommers]

We talked about this sometimes back. The film is directed by someone who appears to still be a student. The other actors in the film have only done bit parts in generally unknown films or TV shows. I asked a good friend who is a documentary film maker in NY and she replied that she had heard of none of these people. She doubted anyone was getting paid for it.

I'd say these guys are pretty much dead in the water and you won't be hearing much more of them after this.

[Graham2001]

I'd say these guys are pretty much dead in the water and you won't be hearing much more of them after this.

I wish we were not hearing about them now, but as we are does anyone have any idea who (or what) Haptic Vision is ? On the 'New Day' website they are the 'other half' of the team presenting the film, has this name come up in connection with 9/11 "Truth" before?

[Lupie]

It's the other Truther produced 9/11 "Truth" fictionalized account. Same plot as New Day from the looks of the trailer. Someone discovers proof of US Govt monkey business and has to flee from the agents of The Man.

I think it was discussed on this forum a few months back but I haven't been able to find the thread.

The trailer however is on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNTu0vhnBOU

And is about as dire as they come, complete with an Alex Jones lookalike to provide sage advice to the 'hero'.

And if you want to give $10 to a really important cause (NOT) then you can order the film from the website below which has a summary of the 'plot' along with a really dire poster.

Bradly Infotainment Website (http://www.bradleyinfotainment.com/pages/index.php?pID=577), leave your brains at the door when you click here.

These guys didn't even make the IMDB.

That was actually painful to watch. And how about that title, "The Proof". How original. And the poster is beyond dire. The guy who plays the Alex Jones lookalike bears a strong resemblance to this really grouchy grimy fellow who is the greeter at my local Wal Mart store.

Between his really forced and less than sincere smile and his "Hello, Welcome to Wal Mart", he can be heard muttering to himself about various conspiracy theories and "the man" keeping him down.

L.

[Graham2001]

That was actually painful to watch. And how about that title, "The Proof". How original. And the poster is beyond dire. The guy who plays the Alex Jones lookalike bears a strong resemblance to this really grouchy grimy fellow who is the greeter at my local Wal Mart store.

Between his really forced and less than sincere smile and his "Hello, Welcome to Wal Mart", he can be heard muttering to himself about various conspiracy theories and "the man" keeping him down.

L.

The only kind of 'proof' I like is found on whisky labels. ;)

Is it possible they are in fact the same person? I still have screen caps from "The Proof" trailer on my photobucket account.

[nicepants]

its not even going to be in the cinemas. its debuting at an art museum. check the web page.

Wow, that trailer was painful.

Definitely not coming to a theater near you. If they could afford that kind of release then they could have afforded to hire a decent cinematographer.

The plot itself could be interesting if it was based on a ficticious event as opposed to 9/11, but the poor shooting makes me suspect that the writing was equally terrible.

I wonder if any "evil debunkers" will be portrayed.

[kookbreaker]

Oh god... Who the heck did the cinematography on this one? Alan Smithee?

Its filmed in 'Dark-o-Vision' as well as 'My-camera-tripod-is-stuck-at-this-height-o-rama'

[HawksFan]

From the IMDB trivia page for that move:

"The basement scene featuring 'Dylan Avery' and Bruce Spielbauer was filmed in the basement of the director's mother."

How appropriate.

[MarkyX]

Judging from the trailer trash and the movie poster that hurt my brain, this will obviously never see the inside of a cinema. Nowadays, with cheap HD cameras available to any attention whore, there are hundreds of amateurish films coming out every week. Unless they put it up on youtube this will be seen by maybe 500 people.

You make it sound like before HD cameras amateurish films did not exist.

I would like to introduce you to The Cinema Snob, who reviews exploitation films such as Porno Holocaust. Obviously from the title, it's NSFW

http://thecinemasnob.com/

[Lupie]

From the IMDB trivia page for that move:

"The basement scene featuring 'Dylan Avery' and Bruce Spielbauer was filmed in the basement of the director's mother."

How appropriate.

I can see the headlines now-

"New Day is an epic masterpiece shot on location in exotic settings around the world, including the director's mom's basement..."

[Pardalis]

Truthers keep saying Hollywood is a "propaganda machine", and here they are doing the exact same thing they are accusing others of doing. :rolleyes:

[Praktik]

Wow. I am flabbergasted AND nonplussed.

You'd think if they were going to dramatize a Truther scenario they wouldn't pick one where all the passengers were carted off to who-knows-where and inflicted with brain damage.

Out of all truther scenarios they are some of the silliest and easiest to debunk.

[alienentity]

'There are a lot of crazy people out there, and there are a lot of crazy people in this movement. There's people that believe planes never hit the WTC, there's people that think no Jews showed up on 9/11; there's people that think all these outlandish things.'
Dylan Avery, National Geographic documentary 9/11: Science and Conspiracy

[tuc0]

You make it sound like before HD cameras amateurish films did not exist.

I would like to introduce you to The Cinema Snob, who reviews exploitation films such as Porno Holocaust. Obviously from the title, it's NSFW

http://thecinemasnob.com/

You're right that low or no-budget movies are nothing new. It's just that there are so many of them nowadays. It's cheaper to get cameras and edit a movie than ever before. And more people than ever before seem to think that they have something relevant to say and should be making movies. And I'm not saying it's all bad. Just interesting that big movies have such insanely huge budgets (even simple dramas and comedies) while at the same time every second hobo can (and does) produce a movie for 200$.

PS. and holy ****!! That 'The Proof' stinker linked above seems on par with Zombie '90. Almost makes New Day look like Citizen Kane :newlol

[Horatius]

....while at the same time every second hobo can (and does) produce a movie for 200$.

PS. and holy ****!! That 'The Proof' stinker linked above seems on par with Zombie '90. Almost makes New Day look like Citizen Kane :newlol



Where can I find one of these hobos? I'm looking for someone to option my 9/11 Masterpiece, "The Shill Game (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3590851#post3590851)".

[tuc0]

Where can I find one of these hobos? I'm looking for someone to option my 9/11 Masterpiece, "The Shill Game (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3590851#post3590851)".
I'll ask some hobo auteur in the park tomorrow. Stay tuned. :)

[dudalb]

Hmmm, I don't remember the Proof but The Reflecting Pool, Able Danger, and Who Killed John O'Neill are three other examples of (acknowledged) fictional 9-11 "Truth" movies.

All of which seem to have vanished into a black hole.When you can't even get decent direct to DVD release for a movie, you know you have made a real POS.

[dudalb]

Just checked some of the names on IMDb. None of them have much experience. The best has bit parts in several movies. I predict this will be in the cinemas a week or two, in only a few cinemas then go to DVD. You would be lucky to be able to watch it on TV. Then you will be able to buy it dirt cheap. Would not have cost a lot to make and it would probably make a loss.


This will not get within a million miles of a theatrical release. Guaranteed. And it will not even get a major DVD release.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I wish we were not hearing about them now, but as we are does anyone have any idea who (or what) Haptic Vision is ? On the 'New Day' website they are the 'other half' of the team presenting the film, has this name come up in connection with 9/11 "Truth" before?


Haptic Vision (http://www.hapticvision.com/) appears to be a pseudonym for one Jason Williams (http://www.hapticvision.com/pages/jason_williams.html).

[Graham2001]

Wow. I am flabbergasted AND nonplussed.

You'd think if they were going to dramatize a Truther scenario they wouldn't pick one where all the passengers were carted off to who-knows-where and inflicted with brain damage.

Out of all truther scenarios they are some of the silliest and easiest to debunk.

[Truther director]But...but...but, it makes such a dramatic story![/Truther director]

[Foolmewunz]

Haptic Vision (http://www.hapticvision.com/) appears to be a pseudonym for one Jason Williams (http://www.hapticvision.com/pages/jason_williams.html).

Yeah, he's evidently real big in a seventeen block radius of his mom's house, having been given one-line blurbs in local shopping center news rags. (He graduated last year.)

But let's not discount him because of his obscurity. I mean Dylan Avery started out from humble beginnings in Oneonta, NY and look at how he's taken the Hollywood scene by storm. He's got a table every night at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant (well, actually six tables - he has to bus them promptly or he's back to dishwashing, I hear).

[Graham2001]

Yeah, he's evidently real big in a seventeen block radius of his mom's house, having been given one-line blurbs in local shopping center news rags. (He graduated last year.)

I've watched the trailer and cannot believe that anyone involved in making that film actually graduated, unless of course someone just told them they did to avoid damaging their self esteem...

BTW some low down skunk of a Truther forged my login name over on Brainsters blog.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

BTW some low down skunk of a Truther forged my login name over on Brainsters blog.


It's beginning to sound like some pathetic child thought he had a really clever idea: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5074881#post5074881

[Graham2001]

It's beginning to sound like some pathetic child thought he had a really clever idea: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5074881#post5074881

It does look like the same person, the style of language used is the same as the example you quoted: http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=%20screwloosechange%20&comment=7040383237013312405#219321

But back to more serious matters, is anyone planning to watch the film, or to get a copy after release?

I suspect that Truthers will try and use this for evidence in the same way Moon Hoax believers cite 'Capricorn One'.

[Brainster]

I've watched the trailer and cannot believe that anyone involved in making that film actually graduated, unless of course someone just told them they did to avoid damaging their self esteem...

BTW some low down skunk of a Truther forged my login name over on Brainsters blog.

I assume you're talking about SLC? This is a problem with Haloscan comments; there are no logins and passwords, so anybody can pretend to be anybody, and they often do.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Uhm.. Wow, that's darker than AvP. Amazing.

[Graham2001]

I've re-watched the trailer and I'm not sure what is being shown towards the end is actually rape, that said if I've heard the dialog in the trailer properly they seem to be implying that the passengers on the aircraft were agents of whatever organization they have decided to slander.

A more brutal kick to the guts of the victims families I cannot imagine, and what's with the mushroom cloud that forms part of the titles?

I plan to download the trailer tomorrow and I'll try and post a proper analysis.

I'd still like to know if anyone on the forum plans to get a copy of this after release so a proper counter to this can be provided.

[Perfume V]

Part of me thinks a proper counter to this will be unnecessary - it probably won't come up with anything new, and it just looks like such an extraordinarily dire film that I can't imagine it being that widely seen. Technically it looks utterly incompetent, and the occasional half-hearted attempts to give it a 'documentary' style (like the hand-held camera at the start) just end up making every stilted performance, cheesy line of dialogue and risible plot twist seem even more laughable.

The conspiracy theorist who tells him about the Pentagon has hilarious crazy-man eyes, which is appropriate but probably not intentional.

[Graham2001]

Part of me thinks a proper counter to this will be unnecessary - it probably won't come up with anything new, and it just looks like such an extraordinarily dire film that I can't imagine it being that widely seen. Technically it looks utterly incompetent, and the occasional half-hearted attempts to give it a 'documentary' style (like the hand-held camera at the start) just end up making every stilted performance, cheesy line of dialogue and risible plot twist seem even more laughable.

The conspiracy theorist who tells him about the Pentagon has hilarious crazy-man eyes, which is appropriate but probably not intentional.

I'll agree to disagree with you there, I still think someone should watch this (sooner or later) just to get a handle on what, if any new wrinkles turn up. Noticed how they have the 'Agent Ross' character waiting in the background at the airport at the start of the film.

I missed the crazy-man eyes but I'll agree the character looked suitably pathetic. At least they didn't try the "Alex Jones lookalike = Sage" routine that's used in 'The Proof'.

[Graham2001]

A little update, I just realized that if the trailer does indeed indicate that the filmmakers are going to include the idea that the planes were hijacked by passengers acting as 'agents' then the irony factor goes up a notch.

Also the filmmakers have started up with the special pleading on their youtube page.

See: YouTube-New Day-Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNTqKrDcARk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscrewloosechange.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded)

[paulheinze]

I think this thread is off-topic. We might as well discuss Star Wars 1-3. A lot of conspiracy going on there:-)
It is fiction.

[fromdownunder]

It is staggering how often debunkers get the wrong end of the stick. This film was a masterpiece, and would have been released into over 4,000 cinemas on opening (Midnight Thursday) sold out sessions. It would have been the next Gone With The Wind.

But the MAN got to it, ruined it, and paid off shills to give it a bad reputation. It's not the movie at fault - it's the joooos yet again interfering, And the poor Director, will be bemoaning for the rest of his life that had he not stood up to the MAN "You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Charley

Norm

[fourtoe]

I think this thread is off-topic. We might as well discuss Star Wars 1-3. A lot of conspiracy going on there:-)
It is fiction.

I don't think it is off topic at all. It is a movie regarding 911. It is fiction yes, but it has a (possible) plot that seems kind of despicable and is similar to a Truther theory..

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I think this thread is off-topic. [...] It is fiction.


So is 9/11 Truth™, but that hasn't stopped us...

[LostAngeles]

I just watched this trailer and... is the guy telling the main character about the conspiracy theory wearing a drug rug? Cause...

...

...

Nah, that's totally accurate.

[Graham2001]

I just watched this trailer and... is the guy telling the main character about the conspiracy theory wearing a drug rug?

OT: What's a drug rug?

On topic: Anyone seen a review of this yet?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

OT: What's a drug rug?


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drug+rug

http://www.epiclylaterd.com/mexnewyearseve_9459.jpg

[Graham2001]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drug+rug

http://www.epiclylaterd.com/mexnewyearseve_9459.jpg

Thanks!

Now has anyone found a review of this film?

[beachnut]

At the end his wife is still dead after impacting the Pentagon in Flight 77. I hate films like this and the Titanic when I already know the ending.



I think this thread is off-topic. We might as well discuss Star Wars 1-3. A lot of conspiracy going on there:-)
It is fiction.
The film is not complete fiction, it depicts dirt dumb dolts who think 77 did not hit the Pentagon. There are dirt dumb dolts who spew there was no plane, no parts at the Pentagon.

[Graham2001]

At the end his wife is still dead after impacting the Pentagon in Flight 77. I hate films like this and the Titanic when I already know the ending.


Sadly I have to ask if that is really how they end it, given the "spot the Boeing" nonsense they indulge in, that would be a real cop out & produce howls of "Disinfo!" from the target audience.

[Horatius]

...produce howls of "Disinfo!" from the target audience.



I'd watch it just for that!




Someone on LCF pointed out that the producer wasn't a Truther, so, you never know.....

[Graham2001]

Out of curiosity I decided to visit IMDB and see what the opinions were two years after the fact:


2.4 out of 10!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1311079/

No reviews though, only user comments.

[triforcharity]

Wow, epic **** bomb!! DAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

[rjh01]

Nothing on rotten tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com) about the movie. Several of the link early in this thread no longer work. A movie that sank without a trace.