A prophetic challenge fir JREF

[Dani' El]

I've shared a prophecy that will be fulfilled soon on the forum here-

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152751

After reviewing the rule, I learned that no claims of a religious nature are allowed in the challenge, yet that seems to be contrary to the stated intent of the challenge to show proof of the supernatural which this will cleary do.

Anyway, I wrote an email to the admins but so far no response.

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.
I hope that JREF will allow that I have met the challenge on that day and reward the money to-
Voice of the Martyrs Canada

Kol tuv,
Dani' El

[Mojo]

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.


Can you specify exactly what the entities "SF" and "LA" are, and the specific form that this "judgment" will take?

[lionking]

You can't have it both ways. You are claiming the challenge money if your prophesy is true, yet are refusing to say what you will do if your prophesy does not eventuate.

[UncaYimmy]

I've shared a prophecy that will be fulfilled soon on the forum here-

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152751

After reviewing the rule, I learned that no claims of a religious nature are allowed in the challenge, yet that seems to be contrary to the stated intent of the challenge to show proof of the supernatural which this will cleary do.

Anyway, I wrote an email to the admins but so far no response.

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.
I hope that JREF will allow that I have met the challenge on that day and reward the money to-
Voice of the Martyrs Canada

Kol tuv,
Dani' El

Unfortunately, the JREF keeps the cash in a vault in Los Angeles. Sorry.

[RoboTimbo]

I doubt you'll be able to get your application accepted in 20 days, let alone negotiate a protocol with JREF. If you claim prophetic abilities, you'll have to demonstrate it twice. What will your second one be?

Have you submitted a notarized application yet?

[learner]

Why did you bother to send an email after reading the "No religious nature" rule?
I wouldn't reply to you either.

[mbuehner]

There are some people in Homeland Security that are very interested in your powers.

[Dumb All Over]

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.

I have predicted this, as well. Don't you think it is only fair to split the million smackers with me once the JREF reverses its policies and LA and SF are deemed "judged" on Yom Kippur?

[Sherman Bay]

After reviewing the rule...Get back to us when you've reviewed all the rules, M-Kay?

[Stray Cat]

I doubt you'll be able to get your application accepted in 20 days, let alone negotiate a protocol with JREF. If you claim prophetic abilities, you'll have to demonstrate it twice. What will your second one be?
Have you submitted a notarized application yet?

My first prophesy is that Dani El will fail.
My second prophesy is that Dani El will bitch about it.

Now where's that application form gone?

[Lisa Simpson]

Who did you write to? Jeff Wagg? Mr. Randi? Phil Plait?

[GzuzKryzt]

I've shared a prophecy that will be fulfilled soon on the forum here-

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152751

Your prophecy will have to be clearer. Tell us as precisely as possible what will happen. Please refrain from metaphors.

Or did you really mean "fire and brimstone" will fall from above?


After reviewing the rule, I learned that no claims of a religious nature are allowed in the challenge, yet that seems to be contrary to the stated intent of the challenge to show proof of the supernatural which this will cleary do.

I don't see how a religious nature needs necessarily be tied in here. If you would simply say, for example: "On day x the entire population of San Francisco will be wiped out because of a volcanic eruption", that's a pretty straightforward and testable claim.

You would have to qualify for the MDC though, i.e. send a notarized application, have a media profile and an academic affidavit of your ability to make correct prophecies.


Anyway, I wrote an email to the admins but so far no response.

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.
I hope that JREF will allow that I have met the challenge on that day and reward the money to-
Voice of the Martyrs Canada

Kol tuv,
Dani' El

The JREF Forum admins do not govern the MDC, the JREF does. You can contact them here: challenge@randi.org

Have you informed the city officials of the impending dread?

What will you do when the things you claim do not happen?

[Moochie]

Hmm, don't we all live in Sodom or Gomorrah?


M.

[Pope130]

Wouldn't this challenge also violate the prohibition against a test that would risk injury to any person?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Wouldn't this challenge also violate the prohibition against a test that would risk injury to any person?

For an extremely stretched definition of "risk injury", I suppose it does. :(

[Pope130]

For an extremely stretched definition of "risk injury", I suppose it does. :(

Well, for him to win, millions of people would have to die suddenly. Now, in my opinion, the risk of this happening is quite small, but it would be a part of the conditions for a win.

[NoZed Avenger]

Hmm, don't we all live in Sodom or Gomorrah?


I wish.

[Vic Vega]

I can't speak for the JREF, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, Dani' El. I don't care that your prophecy is religious in nature or about any of the other rules of the challenge.

I read the claims in your thread. If they happen as you describe, I'll send Voice of the Martyrs Canada the entire content of my savings account. Heck, if you turn out to be right, your group deserves a big donation! Anyone else interested?

I should add that I'm not even slightly concerned that this pledge will cost me a cent.

[petre]

For an extremely stretched definition of "risk injury", I suppose it does. :(

If memory serves, the JREF has been willing to accept claims where death or injury would occur only if the claim were successful (a test of a certain martial arts form comes to mind).

Slightly related, I seem to recall a thread where a potential applicant claimed the ability to inflict injury or death remotely, and several skeptics offered themselves as test subjects. No skeptics reported dying as a result :P

[Mojo]

What will you do when the things you claim do not happen?


Pretend they did (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30045), perhaps?

[GzuzKryzt]

Pretend they did (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30045), perhaps?

Mojo, I considered borderline uncivil of you not to mention that you are linking to AAH R&P. Now I feel dirty.

Seriously, either Dani' El will turn out to be a hit-and-run poster or surely does yank our chain. I love the signature. Sells crazy religious right away.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I can't speak for the JREF, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, Dani' El. I don't care that your prophecy is religious in nature or about any of the other rules of the challenge.

I read the claims in your thread. If they happen as you describe, I'll send Voice of the Martyrs Canada the entire content of my savings account. Heck, if you turn out to be right, your group deserves a big donation! Anyone else interested?

I should add that I'm not even slightly concerned that this pledge will cost me a cent.

I took a look at the Voice of the Martyrs Canada website and could not see any connection to Dani' El. I have no clue as to why he picked them.

Also note that there is one other thread started by him currently active on the Form. He appears to be a severely deluded person. :covereyes

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Well, for him to win, millions of people would have to die suddenly. Now, in my opinion, the risk of this happening is quite small, but it would be a part of the conditions for a win.

I am prepared to state that there is no risk of injury what-so-ever. :(

[GzuzKryzt]

Since he has been back at the forum but has not posted in this thread, I asked Dani' El via PM to answer the questions I posed earlier.

[Dani' El]

Sorry folks, been battling the flu.
I'll be back in a day or so to answer questions.

Shalom,
Dani' El

[Stray Cat]

Well Dani... They say God moves in mysterious ways!

On some he reigns down fire and brimstone... with others it's just the flu.

Get well soon... preferably before 30th Sept. They won't let you fly with flu nowadays.

[Klaymore]

Little late to the party (though not as late as I'd be if I'd waited 'til after Yom Kippur), but I don't think that a claim like this would violate the rule against accepting claims that involve a substantial risk of injury to the claimant or another. If D'El is right, SF et. al are ****ed anyway. He's not causing anything bad to happen, just warning all of us sinners so we have time to blow our collective life savings getting blown by big-fake-tittie strippers before D-day.

I think what the rules were meant to cover were situations in which a claimant is going to jump off of a building and fly, go for two years without food, breathe underwater, stop bullets with his mind (mind, not brain), etc.

Of course, none of this means anything unless D'El applies for the challenge and negotiates a protocol, which ain't gonna' happen, but it's still nice to see an end-of-dayser come up with a firm date, rather than just pull our collective puds.

[Crundy]

If everyone is going to get wiped out and you will ascend to heaven (of course), why do you want a million dollars? What's the currency in the clouds these days?

[Klimax]

If everyone is going to get wiped out and you will ascend to heaven (of course), why do you want a million dollars? What's the currency in the clouds these days?

He might not be among taken...

[YeahDude]

So fire and brimstone from the sky. Did someone just watch Armageddon?

[YeahDude]

If everyone is going to get wiped out and you will ascend to heaven (of course), why do you want a million dollars? What's the currency in the clouds these days?

I thought Stargate was just a fictional TV show?

[Dani' El]

Sorry folks, but a member of the forum, AJM8125, has been making veiled threats of violence on the thread linked in the OP. (Post #533)

I would have ignored it except he later claims to have been actually stalking me at the library.
(I've contacted the mods)

I'm feeling much better today, thanks, but the down time gave me an opportunity (God works in mysterious ways) to find another internet source.
But my time online is severely limited.

I'm going to write a post on my blog, (I'm not doing cheap self promotion, it's just due to time constraints) that will go into the specifics that many are asking about here, like, "yes, not a wildfire or terror attack, but literal flaming sulfur from the sky." etc.

thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com

It seems the time constraints also will prevent me from pursuing the challenge but that was not my main goal anyway.
BTW, I only chose Voice of the Martyrs as I endorse their work.
I have no assoc with them.

Anyway.
Thanks for you consideration.

Baruch HaShem,
Dani' El

[Stray Cat]

Glad to hear that. Some of us might be at the library today

You feel threatened by someone at the library?... wow!

His post was relief that you have never done evil in return for evil. He was saying that he's glad you weren't thinking of going to the library and cleansing it from evil because he was going to be there and didn't want to be cleansed... so to speak.

Get help!

[NoZed Avenger]

Sorry folks, but a member of the forum, AJM8125, has been making veiled threats of violence on the thread linked in the OP. (Post #533)

I would have ignored it except he later claims to have been actually stalking me at the library.
(I've contacted the mods)


That isn't "veiled." That isn't even "covered in a blanket under 12 feet of concrete."

That is "not there at all" or "non-existent" or "a failure of reading comprehension."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
I'm going to write a post on my blog, (I'm not doing cheap self promotion, it's just due to time constraints) that will go into the specifics that many are asking about here, like, "yes, not a wildfire or terror attack, but literal flaming sulfur from the sky." etc.

thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com
...

I have not much interest to participate in a discussion elsewhere. You have started a thread here, please let's keep it here. But if you are indeed short on time I can narrow it down to one question, Dani' El:

What conclusion(s) will you draw if the things you claim do not happen? Please try to answer as brief as possible.

[arthwollipot]

Dani' El has stated a number of times in the other thread that he will not entertain the possibility that he might be wrong. He will not respond to questions that suppose that he might be wrong. He does not, has not, and will not even consider for the merest moment that he might be wrong, and I get the impression that he finds such questions to be offensive to his faith.

We're going to get nowhere with questions of that nature. At least, not until October 1st.

[GzuzKryzt]

Dani' El has stated a number of times in the other thread that he will not entertain the possibility that he might be wrong. He will not respond to questions that suppose that he might be wrong. He does not, has not, and will not even consider for the merest moment that he might be wrong, and I get the impression that he finds such questions to be offensive to his faith.

We're going to get nowhere with questions of that nature. At least, not until October 1st.

I hear ya. Sometimes the process of a discussion is enlightning enough to draw the necessary conclusions. Dodging questions says a lot.

We shall see shortly.

[StevenCalder]

Has he actually given any specifics beyond - bad things will happen in LA and SF on the 1st of October?

[GzuzKryzt]

Has he actually given any specifics beyond - bad things will happen in LA and SF on the 1st of October?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5067275#post5067275

[StevenCalder]

Sorry Im not entirely sure how I missed that in the OP :jaw-dropp

[laca]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5067275#post5067275

Wow! I don't have the patience to go through that thread, but did someone warn him not to look back?

[ZirconBlue]

A prophetic challenge fir JREF

Pining for a good ol' smiting, are we?

[Doc Daneeka]

I've just posted a comment on his blog, offering to bet $500 CDN that there will not be a disaster in either city within a week of his chosen date sufficient to cause more than 0.5% of its buildings to be destroyed.

My prophecy: he will either
A) Refuse to allow the comment to pass moderation
B) Refuse the offer out of hand
C) Accept the offer, and refuse to pay up when he loses. This will probably involve a careful reading of the Bible, followed by a new date for the disaster.

[GzuzKryzt]

Since Dani' El seems to have no interest in a discussion, I am quoting the important parts concerning his prediction from here (http://thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com/), creative grammar left intact:

"Q. Will the judgment be "the big one"? the quake everyone is expecting?
A wildfire? or terrorist attack? etc?"

"[...]It will be "old school" wrath of God, flaming sulfur falling from the sky and consuming everything."

"Q- What will you do if it doesn't happen?
Move the date? etc?"

"I am 100% certain of its fulfillment, and that what God revealed to me is true.
I won't consider that He lied to me, or that He was incapable of making something clear to me."

Prophecy, shmophecy. ;)



Let's make a list with the most likely excuses.

1. I misunderstood Him.

[Czarcasm]

Let's make a list with the most likely excuses.

1. I misunderstood Him.2. It was a spiritual rain of sulfur.

[Pixel42]

1. I misunderstood Him.

2. It was a spiritual rain of sulfur.

3. God relented because of [insert arbitrary event here]

[Czarcasm]

4. I convinced God to change his mind, so I want the million dollars and your undying gratitude!

[RoboTimbo]

5. God did rain fire and brimstone on the new Sodom and Gommorah. It was just in a very small part where you wouldn't notice unless you knew what you were looking for and you filthy unbelievers will never know what to look for. This proves I was right. Now, off to Israel I go.

[GzuzKryzt]

6. Of course it didn't rain fire and brimstone! You can't really think I meant that! What happened and what proves that His Prophecy came true is that the sinners' souls were rained with fire and brimstone! Praise His Glory!

[Czarcasm]

6. Of course it didn't rain fire and brimstone! You can't really think I meant that! What happened and what proves that His Prophecy came true is that the sinners' souls were rained with fire and brimstone! Praise His Glory!Already covered under #2.

[GzuzKryzt]

Already covered under #2.

Reported for threat of violence.

[Philip]

Already covered under #2.

I see GzuzKryzt already made a joke about this, but mine would have been "Sure Los Angeles and San Francisco are already covered under #2, but Dani' El predicts they'll be covered under fire and brimstone."

[Elizabeth I]

5. God did rain fire and brimstone on the new Sodom and Gommorah. It was just in a very small part where you wouldn't notice unless you knew what you were looking for and you filthy unbelievers will never know what to look for. This proves I was right. Now, off to Israel I go.

No, no, no...he's not traveling to Israel, he will be magically transported there by God, and he expects to set up a new government when he gets there.

[Doc Daneeka]

7) I miscalculated the date. The "loving god" will actually destroy those people on [insert some other date here]

[Tim Harrod]

This is not an excuse, so I won't number it properly, but I suspect it's the most likely response, so I'll mention it.

0. [complete silence]

[AJM8125]

8. That jerk showing up at the library threw god's timing off. He's checking his calendar for alternative dates.

[chran]

9. God has told me that the whole point was to raise awareness of Him on this filthy, atheist den of ineptitude, and this has been done. Halleluja and Hoshanna!

[Mojo]

10. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30045

[GzuzKryzt]

10. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=30045

I reported your post because it linked - again - to R&P without any warning. ;)

That OP's a classic, though.

[Lothian]

11. Dani' El accepts; the prophecy was false, he didn’t get a message from God, he has been deluded.

A no hoper, but at 10,000-1 the odds might attract some interest.

[GzuzKryzt]

11. Dani' El accepts; the prophecy was false, he didn’t get a message from God, he has been deluded.

A no hoper, but at 10,000-1 the odds might attract some interest.

What part of "I am 100% certain of its fulfillment, and that what God revealed to me is true.
I won't consider that He lied to me, or that He was incapable of making something clear to me." don't you understand? ;)

For a believer, odds do not matter.

[Mojo]

I reported your post because it linked - again - to R&P without any warning. ;)

That OP's a classic, though.


I would have just posted the thread title, but it really need the ALL CAPS, and the forum doesn't allow it these days.

[DevilsAdvocate]

5 DAYS! 5 DAYS-ah ha ha!!

Dani, you out of SanFran SinCity and on to Isreal yet? Times of the end of times for them thar sin-cites be a-wasitin.

[GzuzKryzt]

Good thing the Niners are playing the Vikings on the road.

Imagine the tower status report upon return: "Good morning TS 5763, heavy fire and brimstone rain in the area. Please use AAAAAH!!! IT BURNS!!! IT BURNS!!!!! AAAAAHH!!!!!!"

[Moochie]

:dl:

[GzuzKryzt]

Does it rain fire and brimstone yet? No? Not even a drizzle? Some sulphuric bird poo? Nothing?

[Lisa Simpson]

Does it rain fire and brimstone yet? No? Not even a drizzle? Some sulphuric bird poo? Nothing?

It drizzled on me a bit when I went to the grocery store this morning, but so far, that's it.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/idiotdogbrain/IMG_1205.jpg

[billw]

It's another beautiful Sunday here in sunny Southern California. Just need to step outside for a moment to check on that sulfur odor, and then I'll be right ba

[Doc Daneeka]

It's another beautiful Sunday here in sunny Southern California. Just need to step outside for a moment to check on that sulfur odor, and then I'll be right ba

Isn't most of Southern California usually on fire? Or shaking, or having massive mudslides, or in a drought, or some such? If god chose to attack the place, how would we be able to tell?

[devnull]

12. God was testing me - he wanted to know that I was committed enough to make a fool of myself this time, so I could be the real messenger when the real event occurs on DD/MM/YYYY

[ScottXSI]

13. Wow I was totally wrong, I guess you guys were right. Maybe I should check myself into a shrink or start seeing a counselor. :p

[Spektator]

The original poster said in his prophecy
On the day that I leave SF for Israel, God will destroy SF and LA with fire and brimstone from heaven.
That day is Yom Kippur, 2009.
Or Sept 28-29, 2009 some 4 weeks away.

Now, call me a goyishe schlemiel if you will, but does Yom Kippur not extend from sunset, Sept. 27, to sunset, Sept. 28 this year?

[GzuzKryzt]

Ah, mit de shvitzing und de kvetching.

[GzuzKryzt]

Ok, that last post was primarily for the jewy slang. What would be the jewish equivalent to a wigger? Wew?



But seriously: Sunset of September 28 should occur at GMT -8 on the West Coast by my count. Local time in San Fran should be around 1:30 pm now, so there is still time for things to happen. (Perhaps I miscalculated daylight savings time.)

For simplicity, let's say if there is no feuer und brimstein regen in San Fran until midnight local time, there will be quite some more sodomy.

[Spektator]

Ok, that last post was primarily for the jewy slang. What would be the jewish equivalent to a wigger? Wew?



But seriously: Sunset of September 28 should occur at GMT -8 on the West Coast by my count. Local time in San Fran should be around 1:30 pm now, so there is still time for things to happen. (Perhaps I miscalculated daylight savings time.)

For simplicity, let's say if there is no feuer und brimstein regen in San Fran until midnight local time, there will be quite some more sodomy.
D'accord! But should nothing happen--will Dan'El be a mensch?

[GzuzKryzt]

D'accord! But should nothing happen--will Dan'El be a mensch?

One would hope so, but experience strongly suggests otherwise.

[LashL]

Now, call me a goyishe schlemiel if you will, but does Yom Kippur not extend from sunset, Sept. 27, to sunset, Sept. 28 this year?

Okay, you're a goyishe schlemiel but, yes, Yom Kippur ends at sunset tonight. So, there isn't much time left before Daniel has to come up some excuse for not being teleported to Israel to take over the government.

[Doc Daneeka]

Weird.

I didn't realise until today that he actually lives in San Francisco. Does he really believe his own prophecy? If this guy were really serious, don't you think he'd...er...leave town for the day? Maybe take a vacation in Seattle and watch the destruction on CNN?

[LashL]

I checked and sunset in San Francisco tonight is at 6:59 p.m. The current time in San Francisco is 6:12 p.m.

Tick tock, tick tock. 47 minutes to go.

[Lisa Simpson]

Weird.

I didn't realise until today that he actually lives in San Francisco. Does he really believe his own prophecy? If this guy were really serious, don't you think he'd...er...leave town for the day? Maybe take a vacation in Seattle and watch the destruction on CNN?

God was supposed to whisk him out of San Fran and off to Israel on chariots of fire or some such.

[Personal Grudge]

Perhaps he does hear God... but God loves a great practical joke.

Kind of like those aliens who like to buzz people... you know, "They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one's ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises." (Thank you Douglas, we miss you!)

Rather childish really...

[LashL]

Well, time's up.

What's the over/under on Daniel returning with an explanation excuse for the lack of fire and brimstone raining down, and the failure of his god to whisk him off to Israel on some holy version of El Al?

[Kimpatsu]

Well, time's up.

What's the over/under on Daniel returning with an explanation excuse for the lack of fire and brimstone raining down, and the failure of his god to whisk him off to Israel on some holy version of El Al?
'Cos god only flies United for the air miles...?

[GzuzKryzt]

"God Hates Us All" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfK9sFH7Mc8)

[GzuzKryzt]

Well, time's up.

What's the over/under on Daniel returning with an explanation excuse for the lack of fire and brimstone raining down, and the failure of his god to whisk him off to Israel on some holy version of El Al?

Technically it would be at least two money lines: Return and not return.

The over/under would work e.g. for the number of excuses, the days until he posts or blogs again or the days to the next prophecized rapture.

[pakeha]

Ah, that was good:
...feuer und brimstein regen ...

Thanks, GzuzKryzt.
BBC is silent on the subject of Dani'El's arrival in Israel.Nor is there anything as of yet on unusual weather conditions in California.

[Stray Cat]

Well as we know, God does have a sense of humour (he created the Duckbill Platypuss for instance), it is possible he was just larking around with Dani...

... And that striking people down for slight failure to adhere to his commandments seemed a bit petty when those Romans killed his only son and got away with it scott free... So there is a trail of MPD in God's psychology.

There is another possibility though... Dani wasn't hearing God at all...

... For the more down to Earth reason that God doesn't exist.

[Mojo]

... And that striking people down for slight failure to adhere to his commandments seemed a bit petty when those Romans killed his only son and got away with it scott free...


Consult your Gibbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_E mpire).

[pakeha]

Thanks for the link, mojo.

[Mojo]

Thanks for the link, mojo.


There's a great cartoon by Willie Rushton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Rushton), featuring a gibbon sitting on top of a busker's barrel organ with a tin mug, saying "it bleeding declined and fell, mate", but I can't find it on the internet.

[roger]

I've shared a prophecy that will be fulfilled soon on the forum here-

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152751

After reviewing the rule, I learned that no claims of a religious nature are allowed in the challenge, yet that seems to be contrary to the stated intent of the challenge to show proof of the supernatural which this will cleary do.

Anyway, I wrote an email to the admins but so far no response.

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.
I hope that JREF will allow that I have met the challenge on that day and reward the money to-
Voice of the Martyrs Canada

Kol tuv,
Dani' El
No.

[Stray Cat]

Consult your Gibbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_E mpire).
Being smote down by Gods anger and allowing the slow decline of a rich empire... not really comparable are they?

I guess God's biggest punishment for killing his only son was again his twisted sense of humour in putting Rome at the center of the new religion. ;)

[Giggywig]

I've shared a prophecy that will be fulfilled soon on the forum here-

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=152751

After reviewing the rule, I learned that no claims of a religious nature are allowed in the challenge, yet that seems to be contrary to the stated intent of the challenge to show proof of the supernatural which this will cleary do.

Anyway, I wrote an email to the admins but so far no response.

The day of the judgment of SF and LA is Yom Kippur 2009.
I hope that JREF will allow that I have met the challenge on that day and reward the money to-
Voice of the Martyrs Canada

Kol tuv,
Dani' El

I'm sure in retrospect you are glad that the admins decided to not respond to your email given that you have, in fact, not met the challenge. Hindsight is 20/20 so now it's easy to see why your prediction didn't come true but back then who would have thunk it?!

[pakeha]

There's a great cartoon by Willie Rushton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Rushton), featuring a gibbon sitting on top of a busker's barrel organ with a tin mug, saying "it bleeding declined and fell, mate", but I can't find it on the internet.

It'll turn up.
What I found fascinating is that the man (Gibbon) took on the churches in writing about a different view of the early Christian martyrs.

[Doc Daneeka]

Well, time's up.

What's the over/under on Daniel returning with an explanation excuse for the lack of fire and brimstone raining down, and the failure of his god to whisk him off to Israel on some holy version of El Al?

What I expect to happen: he goes away for a while, and eventually comes back with a new and improved claim. Quite probably under a different user name.

What I'd love to see: he comes back claiming that his prophecy was fulfilled because some random building in the Castro district burned down. Even better: California was actually destroyed, but in some special metaphorical/spiritual sense, which is what he actually meant all along.

It would be funny.

[DevilsAdvocate]

He has not posted on his blog http://thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com/since the 27th.

[GzuzKryzt]

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It would be funny capturing.

Fixed it.

[Spektator]

Well, there was a tragic earthquake and tsunami in the Pacific, resulting in the coastline of LA and SF being ravaged by eighteen-inch tall waves.....

[laca]

Well, there was a tragic earthquake and tsunami in the Pacific, resulting in the coastline of LA and SF being ravaged by eighteen-inch tall waves.....

Easy to confuse with brimstone and fire falling from the sky... :D

[Cuddles]

Moved from the Million Dollar Challenge section since there appears to be very little to do with the challenge going on here.

[Moochie]

With prophecies falling like brimstone I thought it prudent to stock up on lox.


M.

[Spektator]

Someone should save Dani'El's blog before it vanishes...or morphs to postdict a tsunami or something....

[Sherman Bay]

Well, there was a tragic earthquake and tsunami in the Pacific, resulting in the coastline of LA and SF being ravaged by eighteen-inch tall waves.....Well, if you allow for a little sloppage in date, geographic location and description of God's punishment, Prophet Dani-El was spot on.

[Burning Beard]

"God Hates Us All" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfK9sFH7Mc8)

\m/ > < \m/

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So instead of the Godless heathens being wiped out, we've had had Samoa and Indonesia lashed with earthquakes. Interestingly, both are very religious countries :p

[pipelineaudio]

Sept 30, the day sanfran did NOT burn

a day that will live in infamy

[Tizzy]

Someone should save Dani'El's blog before it vanishes...or morphs to postdict a tsunami or something....

Like the "super typhoon" Parma bearing down on the Philippines? - I can't link yet but you can find this on Reuters, AP, etc.

Things have been quite bad weather-wise for the Asia-Pacific region lately. They are expecting at least one more typhoon (Melor) shortly.

[GzuzKryzt]

He has not posted on his blog http://thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com/since the 27th.

Still no sign of Dani' El.

[Tricky]

Still no sign of Dani' El.
I hope he's safe wherever he is, and has not harmed himself or anyone else.

[Spektator]

I see....Dani'El expected the Yellowstone super volcano (http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/news-from-the-yellowstone-caldera-earthquakes/) to blow (check out the comments section).

[laca]

Still no sign of Dani' El.

He must be in his room waiting for the chariot...

[FSM]

I read the blog... and I found this really interesting:

So when frauds like Billy Graham blame Satan for katrina, you can know it is blasphemy.
The buffoon, and self proclaimed prophecy expert, Dr. Jack Van Impe said something so foolish last year, it boggles the mind.
The conversation went something like this.

Rexella- "Those terrible fires in CA, it's not God doing this is it. It's Satan! Right Jack?"
Jack- "That's right! Satan is causing those fires. Satan does not want people to have nice things!"

Sigh.
The surest way to have "nice things" is to bend the knee to Satan.
Satan hates God's judgments, as he knows it drives men to repentence.
Satan works to keep sin very attractive so when a wicked city like New Orleans is struck, or the homes of the wicked burn, or Satan's towers fall on 9/11, you can know it is God doing it.
Satan does not attack himself, or divide his house.


So, is it me, or does this sound like Satan does good things that are attractive and fun and God does bad punishing things that are painful and bad?

If I'm reading it correctly, this is delightful! How do you know who is who? I presume you have to wait until you're dead then BAM! You get to know for sure that the dude who ruined your home, killed your children, and blew up your towers is actually the good guy. While the one that provided a lifetime of sex, fun, nice things and NO pain or suffering to humankind is the bad guy...

Gads. I wish September 28th would get here already... oh, hell... wait...

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I read the blog... and I found this really interesting:

So when frauds like Billy Graham blame Satan for katrina, you can know it is blasphemy.
The buffoon, and self proclaimed prophecy expert, Dr. Jack Van Impe said something so foolish last year, it boggles the mind.
The conversation went something like this.

Rexella- "Those terrible fires in CA, it's not God doing this is it. It's Satan! Right Jack?"
Jack- "That's right! Satan is causing those fires. Satan does not want people to have nice things!"

Sigh.
The surest way to have "nice things" is to bend the knee to Satan.
Satan hates God's judgments, as he knows it drives men to repentence.
Satan works to keep sin very attractive so when a wicked city like New Orleans is struck, or the homes of the wicked burn, or Satan's towers fall on 9/11, you can know it is God doing it.
Satan does not attack himself, or divide his house.


So, is it me, or does this sound like Satan does good things that are attractive and fun and God does bad punishing things that are painful and bad?

If I'm reading it correctly, this is delightful! How do you know who is who? I presume you have to wait until you're dead then BAM! You get to know for sure that the dude who ruined your home, killed your children, and blew up your towers is actually the good guy. While the one that provided a lifetime of sex, fun, nice things and NO pain or suffering to humankind is the bad guy...

Gads. I wish September 28th would get here already... oh, hell... wait...

Aren't we supposed to be beware of False Prophets in these End Times? :confused:

[DevilsAdvocate]

Oh Dani boy, the brights, the brights are calling
From Ol’ San Fran, and LA’s county lines
September's gone, and your prophesies are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must face truth and not hide.


I hope the best for you, wherever you are.

[GzuzKryzt]

Still no update on Dani' El's blog.