OK, who dares debate Charlie Sheen?

[911kongen]

Sheen is willing to debate anybody! He has the challenge out... so I think MacKey and Roberts should send him a challenge! Lets hope Sheen dont get "on air time" with a host that dont know *****! I think Sheen should get some time to talk to real good debunkers like Roberts and MacKey... you guys think it is possible that Sheen will see the light?

Do not use alternate spelling to get around the auto-censor.

[johnny karate]

What does he want to debate about? Cocaine? Hookers? Spousal abuse? Crappy sitcoms?

Beyond that, I'm not aware of any particular expertise Sheen has that would make him a worthwhile debating opponent.

[WildCat]

What's stopping him from signing up here?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Sheen doesn't listen to anyone except girls whose names end with "i" or columbian pharmacists.

[Pardalis]

He would ask the JREF for a fee.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He would ask the JREF for a fee.

T.A.M. can bring his triplicate prescription pad. ;)

[Quad4_72]

He would ask the JREF for a fee.

You are probably right. It would be quite interesting to see him sign up here though. He would get torn up within a couple of posts and then never post again would be my guess.

[beachnut]

He has willingly jumped into a pit of anti-intellectual idiots with the dumbest ideas on 911. One theory on Charlie’s inability to solve 911, after the answers are given, could stem from his failure to complete high school. If 911 had been a baseball game Charlie would have a better than even chance of getting it right. But 911 is reality based event and Charlie wants a fantasy world solution. Charlie thinks the terrorist flew some fantastic maneuvers; he could see firsthand, he has the money (or should have the money), by renting time in a 757 (instead of a hot hooker) and see how easy it is to crash a plane into the largest buildings the world. Charlie thinks the few fringe nut case conspiracy theorists are scholars, some sort of experts, who are on to something. He never took the time or he lacks the critical thinking skills to see people like Jones (take your pick), DRG, and the rest of the loons have no supporting evidence. Charlie is not a hero on 911 issues, that status goes to the Passengers on Flight 93 who figured out 911 in minutes and took action to stop terrorists. After 8 years Charlie can only get the date correct on 911 issues. After 8 years he has adopted moronic ideas from other people and has no clue they are based on hearsay, lies and failed ideas. Charlie can’t figure out 911, but he can read lines, play baseball, do drugs, and have hot hookers. Charlie is able to hide his stupidity on 911 with patriotic statements as he spews pure stupid on 911. Charlie uses patriotic statements to justify his ignorance on 911. He is a patriot so he can be stupid and promote stupid ideas. A high school dropout is a big wheel in 911TruthLies asking Obama to look into nut case conspiracy theories, as Obama promotes staying in school and working hard to learn; something Charlie failed to do and proves it by supporting moronic 911 ideas?

Debate Charlie's failed nut case ideas with Charlie? Is Charlie capable of understanding the debate?

I use Charlie as an exercise in compartmentalization. I watch Two and A Half Men and never think about Charlie's moronic stand on 911.

[CptColumbo]

What does he want to debate about? Cocaine? Hookers? Spousal abuse? Crappy sitcoms?
I'll start it off:

Men At Work was so bad it should get residuals when someone else makes a bad movie.

I await your reply Mr. Sheen.

[bill smith]

Sheen is willing to debate anybody! He has the challenge out... so I think MacKey and Roberts should send him a challenge! Lets hope Sheen dont get "on air time" with a host that dont know *****! I think Sheen should get some time to talk to real good debunkers like Roberts and MacKey... you guys think it is possible that Sheen will see the light?

I saw Charlie Sheen on 'Russia today'... I think that RM should challenge Charlie to a public debate at his very earliest convenience. The sooner we go mainstream with a massive celebrity the better. Win or lose it's all win for us.


We only need to get out there in front of the cameras before the whole Nation and we will drive our points solidly home. No sweat.

This is getting to be like the pressure of a dam of water just looking for a little hole to blast open.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBOWAtLhR_Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=187 RT

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I saw Charlie Sheen on 'Russia today'...

I enjoyed Charlie more when he was killing russians rather than talking to them.

1_I4WgBfETc

This is getting to be like the pressure of a dam of water just looking for a little hole to blast open.

Explain the plummeting twoofer attendance at GZ anniversary ceremonies then.

[911kongen]

I enjoyed Charlie more when he was killing russians rather than talking to them.

1_I4WgBfETc



Explain the plummeting twoofer attendance at GZ anniversary ceremonies then.

Red dawn was Timothy Mcveighs favorite movie! Sheen must be so proud!

[mythstifieD]

Sheen is willing to debate anybody! He has the challenge out... so I think MacKey and Roberts should send him a challenge! Lets hope Sheen dont get "on air time" with a host that dont know *****! I think Sheen should get some time to talk to real good debunkers like Roberts and MacKey... you guys think it is possible that Sheen will see the light?

Do not use alternate spelling to get around the auto-censor.

Will he bring the crack and hookers? We can have a good ole debate smash!

(haha I know I know, ad homenum, but they're so fun!)

[mythstifieD]

I saw Charlie Sheen on 'Russia today'... I think that RM should challenge Charlie to a public debate at his very earliest convenience. The sooner we go mainstream with a massive celebrity the better. Win or lose it's all win for us.


We only need to get out there in front of the cameras in before the whole Nation and we will drive our points solidly home. No sweat.

This is getting to be like the pressure of a dam of water just looking for a little hole to blast open.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBOWAtLhR_Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=187 RT

What the HELL is with you fringers and your love for celebrities?!??! They are ACTORS! They are not intellectuals, scientists, philosophers. What the hell good is their opinion in such a brainy controversy?

Jenny McCarthy loves to make little children sick, and Charlie Sheen loves to rub his "big balls" over the family members faces. Screw celebrities. What the hell is it going to prove if two celebrities have a 'debate'? Nothing.

It's like parents fighting over Creationism.. Neither side knows much about science, but oh boy can they get emotional! Lets have Dawkins vs. Behe instead.

[Elizabeth I]

I think we should send NWO Kitty.

[WildCat]

I think Charlie should be able to get help from a panel of truther experts, like Rosie O'Donnel and Ed Asner.

[bill smith]

What the HELL is with you fringers and your love for celebrities?!??! They are ACTORS! They are not intellectuals, scientists, philosophers. What the hell good is their opinion in such a brainy controversy?

Jenny McCarthy loves to make little children sick, and Charlie Sheen loves to rub his "big balls" over the family members faces. Screw celebrities. What the hell is it going to prove if two celebrities have a 'debate'? Nothing.

It's like parents fighting over Creationism.. Neither side knows much about science, but oh boy can they get emotional! Lets have Dawkins vs. Behe instead.

It's not we who love celebrities- it's the great American public who do. we just want to turn their heads towards the treachery on 9/11 by giving them what they like. It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....and who knows ?....maybe other celebrities are watching and wondering if now is the moment.

[beachnut]

It's not us who love celebrities- it's the great Anerican public who do. we just want to turn their heads towards the treachery on 9/11 by giving them what they like. It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....and who knows ?....maybe other celebrities are watching and wondering if now is the moment.
Charlie is the poster child for dirt dumb ideas on 911. A high school dropout who can't figure out 911 given the answers.

Charlie is good at reading lines and getting laughs by repeating the work of other people. Now he freely chooses to repeat lies about 911 due to his complete ignorance on 911. His is unable to form rational thoughts on 911 so he uses the words of nut case 911 conspiracy theorists which are lies, hearsay and moronic delusions.

Charlie has no evidence like the rest of the movement pushing the lies you post out of ignorance.

[Thunder]

debate Charlie Sheen? what would be the point?

he has a much smaller grasp of the 9-11 truther issue then say, Dylan Avery or Alex Jones.

Charlie Sheen is just a pretty face stamped on a dead movement. Too little too late.

[Elizabeth I]

It's not we who love celebrities- it's the great Anerican public who do. we just want to turn their heads towards the treachery on 9/11 by giving them what they like. It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....and who knows ?....maybe other celebrities are watching and wondering if now is the moment.

If that doesn't deserve the laughing dog, nothing does.

:dl:

[Redtail]

It's not we who love celebrities- it's the great American public who do. we just want to turn their heads towards the treachery on 9/11 by giving them what they like. It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....and who knows ?....maybe other celebrities are watching and wondering if now is the moment.



http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232903709_samuel%20l%20jackson%20-%20bad%20ass%20mofo.gif (http://www.gifbin.com/982017)

He's just wondering what the hell is wrong with you.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Red dawn was Timothy Mcveighs favorite movie! Sheen must be so proud!

Really? I thought McVaeighs favorite films were "Birth of a Nation" and "Triumph of The Will"?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It's not we who love celebrities- it's the great American public who do. we just want to turn their heads towards the treachery on 9/11 by giving them what they like. It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....and who knows ?....maybe other celebrities are watching and wondering if now is the moment.

Bruce Willis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3141942.stm) > Charlie Sheen.

Now THAT man is a patriot.

[Thunder]

Isn't Sheen's favorite movie "The Eternal Jew"?

[911kongen]

Really? I thought McVaeighs favorite films were "Birth of a Nation" and "Triumph of The Will"?

Thats not what I have heard. Favorite film was Red Dawn and favorite book was The Turner Diaries..

[Mr.Herbert]

It's just great that we have a massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen to fill the role.....

Oh god, I too could not stop laughing. Poor Bill, I hope he is just trolling. I would suspect he too was laughing as he typed.

Charlie Sheen:

-Shot his girlfriend /actress Kelly Preston in 1990.

-Married a chick in 1995, she divorced him a year later....then he became a re-fried Christian.

-Injected cocaine into his veins in 1998 and O.D'd. (violated his probation from another crime..arrested and sent to rehab)

-Bangs a couple porn stars Heather Hunter and Ginger Lynn.

-Spent upwards of 25K per night for whores.

- During Divorce with Denise Richards, he is accused of molesting his daughters.

- During Divorce, he sends a text to his estranged wife wishing her to die from cancer.


Yes... he is a model Truther!

[Redtail]

Isn't Sheen's favorite movie "The Eternal Jew"?

No, you misheard, it's "Hot Shots! part Deux".

[Thunder]

No, you misheard, it's "Hot Shots! part Deux".

Hot Shots! Part Juif?

:)

[Thunder]

Oh god, I too could not stop laughing. Poor Bill, I hope he is just trolling. I would suspect he too was laughing as he typed.

Charlie Sheen:

-Shot his girlfriend /actress Kelly Preston in 1990.

-Married a chick in 1995, she divorced him a year later....then he became a re-fried Christian.

-Injected cocaine into his veins in 1998 and O.D'd. (violated his probation from another crime..arrested and sent to rehab)

-Bangs a couple porn stars Heather Hunter and Ginger Lynn.

-Spent upwards of 25K per night for whores.

- During Divorce with Denise Richards, he is accused of molesting his daughters.

- During Divorce, he sends a text to his estranged wife wishing her to die from cancer.


Yes... he is a model Truther!

Oh come on!!! Learn to attack the message and not the messenger. You know, like how Truthers do!!

They never, ever, attack an opponents personal life.

:)

[CHF]

What would truthers have said if in 2005 the NIST report had been released along with a list of quotes from washed-up celebrities expressing their endorsement of the report's findings?

"Oh crap, Kevin Costner agrees with NIST! How do we dispute it now???"

If cherishing the support of idiots like Rosie O'donnell and Charlie Sheen isn't a sign that your movement is in SERIOUS TROUBLE then I don't know what is.

Just goes to show how juvenile a movement this is. They're no different than a bunch of teenagers fawning over their favorite celebs.

[EnJaySee]

It's all so sad, this "need a new investigation" rallying cry they're all getting behind.

We all know what's going to happen if one ever does happen: It will support the official story and they will cry for another one because the last one was bought off by the government.

[dropzone]

Didn't Charlie's dad turn him in for drugs or was that a brother?

[bill smith]

Hey guys....here's a golden opportunity for Ryan Mackey or Gravy to engage in a full-scale National debate on 9/11 on ' Larry King Live '. Charlie Sheen has metahorically slapped the debunking community across the face and now t's time for you to pick up the gauntlet. Let's show those citizens out there what debunkers are made of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakn6QjkaNs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

[beachnut]

Hey guys....here's a golden opportunity for Ryan Mackey or Gravy to engage in a full-scale National debate on 9/11 on ' Larry King Live '. Charlie Sheen has metahorically slapped the debunking community across the face and now t's time for you to pick up the gauntlet. Let's show those citizens out there what debunkers are made of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakn6QjkaNs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
Please support one of Charlie's moronic delusions with some evidence. Pick a good one.

A dirt dumb Alex Jones video. It hurts to listen to someone as dumb as Alex Jones. Charlie is as dumb as Alex Jones. You need to post a warning about videos that are that stupid!

[bill smith]

Please support one of Charlie's moronic delusions with some evidence. Pick a good one.

A dirt dumb Alex Jones video. It hurts to listen to someone as dumb as Alex Jones. Charlie is as dumb as Alex Jones. You need to post a warning about videos that are that stupid!

Let's do it live in front of a hundred million Americans instead. We will see if we can show tham some interesting stuff. Let's get the conversation going on a wider scale Beachnut.

what harm can it do ?

[beachnut]

Let's do it in front of a hundred millon Americans instead. We will see if we can show tham some imteresting stuff. Let's get the conversation going on a wider scale Beachnut.

what harm can it do ?
Pick something Charlie said about 911 and support it with facts and evidence. Don't you have other abilities beside posting the dumbest videos with Alex Jones and lies about 911?

Pick something Charlie said about 911 and support it with facts and evidence.

I mean pick one of the lies or delusions, because Charlie only has the same kind of lies and delusions you post. The reason you will not defend your lies or Charlie's lies is because you have no evidence. But try anyway and pick your best Charlie Sheen 911 statement. Please show us how Charlie will win a debate.

[bill smith]

Pick something Charlie said about 911 and support it with facts and evidence. Don't you have other abilities beside posting the dumbest videos with Alex Jones and lies about 911?

Pick something Charlie said about 911 and support it with facts and evidence.

Nah....this is not that kind of thread. Look for my posts. I already do plenty of that elsewhere.

[beachnut]

Nah....this is not that kind of thread. Look for my posts. I already do plenty of that elsewhere. You post plenty of lies. Poor Charlie is self-debunking.
As expected you can't pick a Charlie Sheen statement and defend it with facts and evidence because they are all delusions like your lies you like to post. I will ask again.

Pick a statement of Charlie's and show with evidence how he will win the debate on that statement. What is wrong, why can't you do it?

There comes a time when your silence becomes betrayal ? you are silent on this issue, can't you defend your ideas or Charlie's?

[bill smith]

You post plenty of lies.
As expected you can't pick a Charlie Sheen statement and defend it with facts and evidence because they are all delusions like you lies you like to post. I will ask again.

Pick a statement of Charlie's and show with evidence how he will win the debate on that statement. What is wrong, why can't you do it?

There comes a time when your silence becomes betrayal ? you are silent on this issue, can't you defend your ideas or Charlie's?

Here's one.

'' If there is a problem with WTC7 there is a problem with the whole 9/11 official story ''

Or as extrapolated by me;-

If there is a problem with WTC7 there is a problem with the whole 9/11 official story because if WTC7 was a controlled demolition then we have every reason to believe that the Twin Towers were controlled demolitions too and by extension that all of 9/11 was an inside job.

[AJM8125]

I'm sorry if I missed it, but has anyone explained what Charlie Sheen brings to the table in a 9/11 debate? To clarify: drug induced hallucinations, antibiotic resistant STDs or half a bottle of vodka are correct but not exactly the answer I'm looking for.

[beachnut]

Here's one.

'' If there is a problem with WTC7 there s a problem with the whle 9/11 official story ''

Or as extrapolated by me;-

If there is a problem with WTC7 there s a problem with the whole 9/11 official story because if WTC7 was a controlled demolition then we have every reason to believe that the Twin Towers were controlled demolitions too and by extension that all of 9/11 was an iinside job. WTC7 was not a controlled demolition, it is what can happen to buildings that burn all day. You and Charlie are self-debunking. WTC7 was investigated by engineers. Did you miss the NIST report which Charlie will never comprehend and can only lie about?
Where is your evidence WTC7 was a CD? No sounds, no explosives found, no thermite found. Charlie lost the debate you failed to present evidence.

The logic is faulty.

You need to bring evidence, your failed logic and talk is not evidence. Where is your evidence? Looks like you better pick another statement you have no evidence for this idiotic statement.
Charlie says he studied 911 but only present his moronic opinions, and you proved he has no evidence.

[bill smith]

In his letter Charlie is looking for a Congressional Enquiry. This is just to get a foot in the door because of course we will not accept anything less than a fully independent investigation with broad subpoena powers.

[MysteryMammal]

Hey guys....here's a golden opportunity for Ryan Mackey or Gravy to engage in a full-scale National debate on 9/11 on ' Larry King Live '. Charlie Sheen has metahorically slapped the debunking community across the face and now t's time for you to pick up the gauntlet. Let's show those citizens out there what debunkers are made of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakn6QjkaNs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

Oh wow! Charlie Sheen wants to debate Rush Limbaugh. I can imagine how this will go.

CS: I say that cocaine is one hell of a drug and through the course of this debate I will prove my point.
RL: No, you blathering idiot, it is not. Hillbilly heroin is THE drug.
CS: Pill popper!
RL: Crack smoker!
CS: I'm surprised you didn't use "Mommy's little helper".
RL: I'm surprised there's any coke for anyone else in the greater Los Angeles area to use consider how much of that crap you snort.
etc., etc., etc...

Wait... why am I arguing against this debate? I want to see the Charlie Sheen/Rush Limbaugh debate on Larry King Live!

[911kongen]

Why cant someone like Roberts or MacKey debate Sheen on Larry king? Sorry but I dont think Larry know anything about 911...

[MarkyX]

Let's do it live in front of a hundred million Americans instead. We will see if we can show tham some interesting stuff. Let's get the conversation going on a wider scale Beachnut.

what harm can it do ?

Why don't you talk about the holocaust didn't happen and the moon landing were fakes while we're at it?

[bill smith]

Why don't you talk about the holocaust didn't happen and the moon landing were fakes while we're at it?

Because that would enable you to begin with the anti-semitic business which is what you are transparently and regularly fishing for Parky.

[Macgyver1968]

In his letter Charlie is looking for a Congressional Enquiry. This is just to get a foot in the door because of course we will not accept anything less than a fully independent investigation with broad subpoena powers.

Bill, Just curious...when you say "independent", do you mean no government involvement? How could a group of private citizen be granted judicial powers without the involvement of the Judicial branch? Just curious on how that works.

[CptColumbo]

My problem with such emphasis being given to the celebrities any particular movement has, is when they have little to do with the subject. Members of a particular lobby/movement will forget that just because someone played a scientist in a movie, doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about science. It shows a lack of being able to seperate reality from fiction.

Now if someone like George Takei (IIRC he minored in engineering at UCLA) or Peter Weller (who IIRC has a masters in Rennaisance Art and Architecture) were convinced by the TM I might take notice of them. I would still want to hear why they believe the Salomon Brothers Building was a controlled demolition, but I would know they have some idea of what they were talking about.

[bill smith]

Bill, Just curious...when you say "independent", do you mean no government involvement? How could a group of private citizen be granted judicial powers without the involvement of the Judicial branch? Just curious on how that works.

The new enquiry can not be like any other enquiry there has been. The mould will have to be broken for this one. Why don't you start a new thread on the composition of a new 9/11 enquiry and we can get into it ?

[Macgyver1968]

The new enquiry can not be like any other enquiry there has been. The mould will have to be broken for this one. Why don't you start a new thred on the composition of a new 9/11 enquiry and we cn get into it ?

Groovy...I will do just that..thanks.

[Myriad]

How could a group of private citizen be granted judicial powers without the involvement of the Judicial branch? Just curious on how that works.


Lots of ways:

1. Mob rule; lynchings.
2. Private organizations exercising mock judicial power, e.g. assassinations "ordered" by fatwa, the Mafia, the Klan, etc.
3. Invade and conquer the U.S.

Since few Truthers have been willing to specify which option they prefer, I gather that most of them are equally in favor of all three.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[MarkyX]

Because that would enable you to begin with the anti-semitic business which is what you are transparently and regularly fishing for Parky.

But you might as well be talking about if you are going to talk about how 9/11 was an inside job.

They were formed by the same people after all.

[bill smith]

But you might as well be talking about if you are going to talk about how 9/11 was an inside job.

They were formed by the same people after all.

If they were involved as many people suspect it will come out anyway after we officially break the OCT. There's no sense in allowing you guys to invoke the anti-semitic rhetoric at this point in time.

[Whiplash]

I have to question the logic that leads one to conclude that it's better to avoid certain subject matter, for fear or rhetoric of attack, without any introspection about it whatsoever. Just coming to that conclusion should be a huge red flag in your own head.

[Alt+F4]

We only need to get out there in front of the cameras before the whole Nation and we will drive our points solidly home. No sweat.

After Oprah, Charlie Sheen is the highest paid actor on television. He makes about $500,000 an episode. He could:

- personally fund a new investigation (he won't)
- start his own prison planet type show on television (he won't)
- use his celebrity to bring his concerns about 9/11 to the main stream (he won't)
-convince his Hollywood friends to get on the truther bandwagon (he won't)

The truthers are never going to get anyone with more wealth and celebrity than Charlie Sheen. And as usual, nothing is going to happen.

[Alt+F4]

If they were involved as many people suspect it will come out anyway after we officially break the OCT. There's no sense in allowing you guys to invoke the anti-semitic rhetoric at this point in time.

Who is this "we" you speak of? You, Charlie and all those whores that he would rather sleep with than Denise Richards?

[16.5]

Hey guys....here's a golden opportunity for Ryan Mackey or Gravy to engage in a full-scale National debate on 9/11 on ' Larry King Live '. Charlie Sheen has metahorically slapped the debunking Truther community across the face and now t's time for you to pick up the gauntlet. Let's show those citizens out there what debunkers are made of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakn6QjkaNs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

Fixed that for you. You do recall that Sheen and Jones completely humiliated the Truthers this week with their Hoax, don't you?

BWhahaha!

Can I get me a laughing dog???

[stewieg]

I really don't know what’s up with this fascination over Charlie Sheen. The celebrity truther I find more interesting is Ed Asner. Here's a guy born and raised a Jew who likes to associate with a group with more than its fair share of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers. While he might not be paling around with Eric Hufschmid or Christopher Bollyn he likes hang out with DRG. DRG who likes to use the AFP, Eric Hufschmid and Chris Bollyn as sources for his books.

I would love to ask him if he was aware that his pal David Ray Griffin not only likes to use anti-Semites and anti-Semitic rags as sources but likes to go to events sponsored by anti-Semites.

[Foolmewunz]

Hey guys....here's a golden opportunity for Ryan Mackey or Gravy to engage in a full-scale National debate on 9/11 on ' Larry King Live '. Charlie Sheen has metahorically slapped the debunking community across the face and now t's time for you to pick up the gauntlet. Let's show those citizens out there what debunkers are made of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakn6QjkaNs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

I love how AJ and the TM are trying to turn this around. He's metaphorically slapped the debunking community???!!!

How's that? By publishing the truther version of a bad story ending... "And then I woke up".
This is like the wasted season of Dallas when they opened the next season showing that Bobby just dreamed an entire year!

What he has metaphorically done is gone over to the truther slumber party and farted under the blankets!

[Sabrina]

"massive celebrity like Charlie Sheen"

*snerk* :dl:

[Alt+F4]

I really don't know what’s up with this fascination over Charlie Sheen. The celebrity truther I find more interesting is Ed Asner.

Mr. Grant is about 150 years old and doesn't make $20 million a year like Charlie does.

Imagine if Charlie donated just 5% of his income to a new investigation then convinced 20 of his high-powered Hollywood friends to donate .5% of their incomes. The truth movement would have more than enough to investigate whatever it is they want to.

What do truthers have to ask themselves is, why isn't this happening?

[Drudgewire]

Whoever winds up doing this FOR THE LOVE OF PETE have him give you Ginger Lynn's phone number for me.

[triforcharity]

I have it on speed dial....Will pm with it later.

[Drudgewire]

I have it on speed dial....Will pm with it later.


Awesome. And don't believe anyone who tells you that you're violating the terms of a restraining order. That's just a long-running inside joke between me and the LA District Attorney.

:whistling

[WildCat]

Imagine if Charlie donated just 5% of his income to a new investigation
But that would mean less hookers for Charlie!

[WildCat]

Whoever winds up doing this FOR THE LOVE OF PETE have him give you Ginger Lynn's phone number for me.
She's not looking so hot these days...

[Brainster]

I have accepted Charlie's debate challenge at SLC; we'll see if I get any kind of response other than the crickets.

[Grizzly Bear]

so somebody fill me in... a bat crap crazy celebrity wants to go at it with talk radio persona or the television media outlets. If he gets what he wants I expect an even funnier display of nuttery than the nut on the schnidt show a couple days back. I would enjoy watching that exchange to be honest... of course whether he deserves the attention, is another thing.

[Donal]

I like how Charlie Sheen calls out media talking heads, but no mention of the NIST team, the people from Purdue University, MIT or any other well respected engineers to debate the topics.

Nobody that can actually talk about the political implications of 9/11.

[911eyewitness]

Now he never talked to me direct, but had Alex Jones approached me. Jones asked me to remove the helicopters from my video (something 911 Mysteries did) and then Charlie would promote it. Ask Charlie if he remembers the whore house on 22nd in NYC? He used to come in a couple times a week. I lived in the building and would see him and Matt Dillion come together to "use" the facilities.

[Par]

'' If there is a problem with WTC7 there is a problem with the whole 9/11 official story ''


That's precisely how Holocaust deniers operate: "If there's a problem with the notion Zyklon was poured through the holes in the Birkenau roof, then there's a problem with the whole Holocaust".

Or as extrapolated by me;- If there is a problem with WTC7 there is a problem with the whole 9/11 official story because if WTC7 was a controlled demolition then we have every reason to believe that the Twin Towers were controlled demolitions too and by extension that all of 9/11 was an inside job.


As above. You're saying that either there are no problems with WTC7, or there was a controlled demolition: excluded middle fallacy.

[Elizabeth I]

If they were involved as many people suspect it will come out anyway after we officially break the OCT. There's no sense in allowing you guys to invoke the anti-semitic rhetoric at this point in time.

You're hoping to whip up a full-scale mass lynching later on, then?

[stewieg]

Mr. Grant is about 150 years old and doesn't make $20 million a year like Charlie does.

Imagine if Charlie donated just 5% of his income to a new investigation then convinced 20 of his high-powered Hollywood friends to donate .5% of their incomes. The truth movement would have more than enough to investigate whatever it is they want to.

What do truthers have to ask themselves is, why isn't this happening?


What Charlie Sheen makes compared to Ed Asner is not that interesting to me. The fact the a man born and raised a Jew associates with a group with some rather well known anti-Semites and Holocaust deneirs in its ranks is a bit more interesting.

[NoZed Avenger]

To clarify: drug induced hallucinations, antibiotic resistant STDs or half a bottle of vodka are correct but not exactly the answer I'm looking for.

Then you, sir, are obviously asking the wrong questions.

[911kongen]

I have accepted Charlie's debate challenge at SLC; we'll see if I get any kind of response other than the crickets.

Nice Brainster! But im a bit disappointed that Mark Roberts and Ryan MacKey dont accept Charlie's challenge!

[JimBenArm]

Nice Brainster! But im a bit disappointed that Mark Roberts and Ryan MacKey dont accept Charlie's challenge!
Well, this convinces me! Must be an inside job if they're afraid to face Charlie Sheen, science savant!

[Hokulele]

Nice Brainster! But im a bit disappointed that Mark Roberts and Ryan MacKey dont accept Charlie's challenge!


Why on earth would they? The information collected or generated by both of them is freely and easily available, so Mr. Sheen (or anyone else, for that matter) should be able to point out anything either of them has gotten wrong.

Debates are useful for airing and exchanging opinions, but they are an extremely poor forum for discussing facts.

[911kongen]

Why on earth would they? The information collected or generated by both of them is freely and easily available, so Mr. Sheen (or anyone else, for that matter) should be able to point out anything either of them has gotten wrong.

Debates are useful for airing and exchanging opinions, but they are an extremely poor forum for discussing facts.

I know that! But if non of the well know debunkers accept the challenge, then thats a "point" to Sheen. I know Mark and Ryan will crush Sheen in a debate, and it is WAY better if they debate Sheen then Larry King. That will make it look like Sheen is correct in his conspiracy-theories, if he only gets to debate some idiot talkshow-host..

[911kongen]

Well, this convinces me! Must be an inside job if they're afraid to face Charlie Sheen, science savant!

They are not afraid to debate Sheen. They dont whant to debate loosers like him. I think that is a mistake... Sheen is getting his points out there, and I would love some really good debunkers to face Sheen. Make him look like an idiot!

[R.Mackey]

They are not afraid to debate Sheen. They dont whant to debate loosers like him. I think that is a mistake... Sheen is getting his points out there, and I would love some really good debunkers to face Sheen. Make him look like an idiot!

Nobody's contacted me, or my agent for that matter...

Seriously, what's in this for me? Charlie Sheen doesn't need any help looking like an idiot. Nor do I believe he's "getting his points out there." It's the same recycled pap that the Truth Movement has been pushing since Day One, and they're on the brink of extinction.

[911kongen]

Nobody's contacted me, or my agent for that matter...

Seriously, what's in this for me? Charlie Sheen doesn't need any help looking like an idiot. Nor do I believe he's "getting his points out there." It's the same recycled pap that the Truth Movement has been pushing since Day One, and they're on the brink of extinction.

Ryan, its an open challenge.. whats in it for you to debate David Chandler? I know you are interested in 911-conspiracys, so its an opportunity for you to debate the person getting the most attention.

[bill smith]

Ryan, its an open challenge.. whats in it for you to debate David Chandler? I know you are interested in 911-conspiracys, so its an opportunity for you to debate the person getting the most attention.

Exactly. He could become Nationally and Internationally known as a senior debunker at this interesting point in the battle.

[Hokulele]

I know that! But if non of the well know debunkers accept the challenge, then thats a "point" to Sheen.


And if Mr. Sheen cannot address any of the information provided by Mark Roberts and Ryan Mackey, that is 5,000,000 "points" to them. Scoring "points" is a silly reason for entering or declining a debate.

In addition, I believe Mr. Chandler has declined several offers to publically discuss his information, so I am not sure what relevance your last post had.

[911kongen]

And if Mr. Sheen cannot address any of the information provided by Mark Roberts and Ryan Mackey, that is 5,000,000 "points" to them. Scoring "points" is a silly reason for entering or declining a debate.

In addition, I believe Mr. Chandler has declined several offers to publically discuss his information, so I am not sure what relevance your last post had.

Isnt it Chandler, Ryan is going to debate on Hardfire? :confused:

[Donal]

I'm of the opinion that it is not better to engage Twoofers in such a format. They can rapid fire their BS. It is just too easy for them.

If we assume Larry King wants anything to do with this nonsense, can you really have a well reasoned discussion about complicated issues involved with 9/11 such as engineering and the defense of American airspace in whatever amount of time you get on the show?

Or do you think Sheen will just rattle off his fallacies and simply smirk and refer to your rebuttals as "the government's story"?

And why does Charlie Sheen have more credibility than Dennis Leary?

[Hokulele]

Isnt it Chandler, Ryan is going to debate on Hardfire? :confused:


No.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5052632#post5052632

[911kongen]

No.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5052632#post5052632

Is he dropping out? Ryan whanted to debate him.. why not Sheen?

[Hokulele]

Is he dropping out? Ryan whanted to debate him.. why not Sheen?


I am not R.Mackey, so his reasons may differ from mine, but I can see discussing specific points regarding the scientific details of the collapse with other engineers/physicists, such as Chandler. As such, I would hope (although I do not expect) that it would have a narrow focus and stick to the facts of the matter. Personally, I do not see much getting accomplished with that debate, even if it did happen, as they have both pretty much made their points in this forum and elsewhere. At best, it would just be summaries/rehashing of old news.

And to the OP, I do not see the point in engaging in a free-for-all with someone as disengaged from reality as Charlie "Excuse me, Mr. President" Sheen. It simply imparts an air of legitimacy to his stupidity.

[ImANiceGuy]

Haha, this thread is hilarious....Charlie Sheen.....whoa!

At first I thought this was the funniest quote; on a couple different levels.

Why don't you talk about the holocaust didn't happen and the moon landing were fakes while we're at it?

Then I read this; and it takes the cake....

Nobody's contacted me, or my agent for that matter...

.....just like a "massive" celebrity!

[NoZed Avenger]

And to the OP, I do not see the point in engaging in a free-for-all with someone as disengaged from reality as Charlie "Excuse me, Mr. President" Sheen. It simply imparts an air of legitimacy to his stupidity.

I could debate Sheen, but then I thought -- he doesn't actuall yneed me there for it, right?

I mean, his interview with the President was sans President, so if I was to, say, nip off to the pub for a couple of hours, he could go ahead and do the debate and post the "transcript," right?

[DGM]

Exactly. He could become Nationally and Internationally known as a senior debunker at this interesting point in the battle.
No! He would be known as someone that argues with loons. The "truthers" points have be known for years to be junk. Sorry the only "battle" is in your mind. Shut off your internet, you'll see.

[dropzone]

I mean, his interview with the President was sans President, so if I was to, say, nip off to the pub for a couple of hours, he could go ahead and do the debate and post the "transcript," right?If Alex Jones is to be believed it took Sheen 200 hours to write his Obama interview, so you'd have to stay in that pub for 200 hours, too. No problem for Charlie Sheen, but I assume you are a lesser mortal. :D

[Foolmewunz]

Haha, this thread is hilarious....Charlie Sheen.....whoa!

At first I thought this was the funniest quote; on a couple different levels.



Then I read this; and it takes the cake....



.....just like a "massive" celebrity!

You seem to be missing the humor gene. Like the bullets at Balaklava, this one just went right over your head, didn't it?

Hint: We don't all write "Ha Ha" or "OMG ROFL" or "LOL" or post a smiley when we're being silly.

Have you ever seen Ryan or Gravy or Brainster make any reference to discussing things with their "agent"?

See, it's like a Hollywood thing, sweetie! Have your girl call my girl, Sid, and we'll do lunch at Wolfgang's on Tuesday.

[R.Mackey]

Is he dropping out? Ryan whanted to debate him.. why not Sheen?


David Chandler has a simplistic but reasonably correct grasp of physics. He has his own unique arguments, which are silly and easy to refute, but at least he came up with something original. He also asked to be part of the debate. I agreed to after being asked by my friend Ron Wieck, whom I understand was in contact with David Chandler before I was on board.

Charlie Sheen is an actor, a high-school dropout with no discernible training or talent for anything remotely technical in nature. He's presented a handful of "talking points" which are all tiresome, ancient Truther dogma that we've debunked here a hundred times. This signifies a learning disability, a general inability or disinterest in paying attention, or both. He appears to have actually issued his challenge to folks like Rush Limbaugh, for reasons I can't fathom, rather than thrown the gauntlet down to the scientific establishment. Nobody has contacted me. My e-mail is available and has been for years. Everyone in the Truth Movement can find it if they want it.

Again, what's in it for me? I would enjoy such a farcical "debate" about as much as I enjoy stealing candy from a sleeping baby with glasses. Mr. Sheen is so far out of his depth that his ears have popped. And if this is the best spokesman the Truth Movement can come up with, then our efforts here have succeeded beyond our wildest hopes.

[Myriad]

David Chandler has a simplistic but reasonably correct grasp of physics. He has his own unique arguments, which are silly and easy to refute, but at least he came up with something original. He also asked to be part of the debate. I agreed to after being asked by my friend Ron Wieck, whom I understand was in contact with David Chandler before I was on board.

Charlie Sheen is an actor, a high-school dropout with no discernible training or talent for anything remotely technical in nature. He's presented a handful of "talking points" which are all tiresome, ancient Truther dogma that we've debunked here a hundred times. This signifies a learning disability, a general inability or disinterest in paying attention, or both. He appears to have actually issued his challenge to folks like Rush Limbaugh, for reasons I can't fathom, rather than thrown the gauntlet down to the scientific establishment. Nobody has contacted me. My e-mail is available and has been for years. Everyone in the Truth Movement can find it if they want it.

Again, what's in it for me? I would enjoy such a farcical "debate" about as much as I enjoy stealing candy from a sleeping baby with glasses. Mr. Sheen is so far out of his depth that his ears have popped. And if this is the best spokesman the Truth Movement can come up with, then our efforts here have succeeded beyond our wildest hopes.


I'm sure you could humiliate Charlie Sheen on all the conspiracy talking points, especially the technical ones. I'm also equally sure that he wouldn't care. His goal in any "debate" would be to look and act cooler and more fun to hang out with than you, and being an experienced actor and well-known celebrity he'd probably succeed.

Then, six months later when he tells the gossip interviewer from Parade magazine, "Oh yes, I'm very serious about exposing the 9/11 cover-up. In fact I debated a government engineer on it, and he couldn't refute a single point" -- who's going to set the record straight, and how?

Myriad's Second Law: Before assuming you can win, make sure you know what the game is.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[R.Mackey]

Another perfectly good point.

"Lesson #2: Always know the table before you shoot." - Marlboro

[triforcharity]

#3-Never use a tool that is more iintelligent that you.

#4-You only have to be 10% smarter that the equipment you work with.

#5-(Posted on a HUGE press at Rouge Steel) This machine has No brain. USE YOURS.

Sorry.

[Justin39640]

#84 - never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

[Brainster]

Well, of course I don't really expect to debate Charlie on LKL, but I'm not going to leave the challenge unanswered. If there were a debate I'd probably go more with the top-level arguments rather than slogging it out in the mud.

[Orphia Nay]

I've been getting Google Alerts for "conspiracy" and all the stories that mention 9/11 truth are critical of it. Here's one of the latest:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549904,00.html

"Charlie Sheen and Pathetic Conspiracy Theorists

[...]First, the egomania. In this "open letter," Sheen writes that the president admits liking "Two and a Half Men." And here I thought Martin was the crazy one in the family.

Second, there's the mental masturbation. When it comes to "truther" obsession, the questioning will always be — as Sheen says — "bottomless." That's the joy of conspiracy: It's an endless bag of Doritos, except instead of chips you get comebacks like "that's what they want you to think," and "open your eyes, dude."

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

And third: the contradictions. Sheen claims that 9/11 was the pretext for the "systematic dismantling of our Constitution." He says this without realizing that since 9/11, not a single person has shut him up. His relentless babble has done more to prove there is no cover-up than anything, ever! Damn, I wish the government would silence him or at least get him a haircut better suited for a middle-aged man.

[...]"

Yay, Pat! :cheerleader2 One of the top 3 debating debunkers has agreed to debate Charlie Sheen. You'll wipe the floor with him!

Of course, as we all know, bottom feeders like twoofers will only hear Da Twoof being spoken about on mainstream TV, and will tune out to any other information. But those without an agenda should be able to listen to the facts.

My only concern is with debates in general. If the host decides to give each debater equal time, this is what happens:

Twoofer: "Such and such".
Debunker: "Such and such is wrong because"... and already he's gone over his time limit.

Hopefully the debunker can try and avoid repeating the twoofers statements (but if the twoofer rapid-fires off a series of twoofisms, things can get tricky).

[Orphia Nay]

Well, of course I don't really expect to debate Charlie on LKL, but I'm not going to leave the challenge unanswered. If there were a debate I'd probably go more with the top-level arguments rather than slogging it out in the mud.

It took me way too long to write my above post, and you've pretty much answered my concerns in the meantime. Cheers, Pat!

[Hokulele]

Well, of course I don't really expect to debate Charlie on LKL, but I'm not going to leave the challenge unanswered. If there were a debate I'd probably go more with the top-level arguments rather than slogging it out in the mud.


Get Rob Breakenridge to moderate. :)

[fourtoe]

Is there a celebrity that has been vocal about her/his disbelief in the 911 CTs?

I know Noam Chompsky thinks they're pretty stupid.

And come on, I know we all want to see Martin Sheen vs. Charlie Sheen or Emilio Estevez vs. Charlie Sheen.

[911kongen]

David Chandler has a simplistic but reasonably correct grasp of physics. He has his own unique arguments, which are silly and easy to refute, but at least he came up with something original. He also asked to be part of the debate. I agreed to after being asked by my friend Ron Wieck, whom I understand was in contact with David Chandler before I was on board.

Charlie Sheen is an actor, a high-school dropout with no discernible training or talent for anything remotely technical in nature. He's presented a handful of "talking points" which are all tiresome, ancient Truther dogma that we've debunked here a hundred times. This signifies a learning disability, a general inability or disinterest in paying attention, or both. He appears to have actually issued his challenge to folks like Rush Limbaugh, for reasons I can't fathom, rather than thrown the gauntlet down to the scientific establishment. Nobody has contacted me. My e-mail is available and has been for years. Everyone in the Truth Movement can find it if they want it.

Again, what's in it for me? I would enjoy such a farcical "debate" about as much as I enjoy stealing candy from a sleeping baby with glasses. Mr. Sheen is so far out of his depth that his ears have popped. And if this is the best spokesman the Truth Movement can come up with, then our efforts here have succeeded beyond our wildest hopes.

Brainster wrote; "Well, of course I don't really expect to debate Charlie on LKL, but I'm not going to leave the challenge unanswered. "

I dont expect a debate with MacKey and Sheen, but its not good that we leave the challenge to be unanswered

I dont remember there names, but on Hardfire Ron and a "video expert" debated "ACE the no-planer". I think it is important not to ignore someone like that and only debate those that have "good points". Twoofer dont see it like that... they think we dont debate them beause there argumente is to good...:boggled:

Whats in it for you? You get to debate the twoofer getting the most attention. Not just that, but you will run him over!! I think every debunker in the world would LOVE to see Sheen debunked to hell... And that he is not getting On Air with a Host that dont know anything about 911.

Whats in it for you? You get to debunk Sheen, and I think a lot of the 911-familys needs and whant someone that knows alot about 911, to come with arguments against Sheen. You know, listening to a No-planer with nobody debating him is extremely annoying. I think the 911-familys would love some one with ALOT of knowledge to answer Sheens questions..

Whats in it for you? Being a nice guy? Helping the lost persons "family members and twoofers" buying Sheens ********?

I think it is important to answer to persons getting on like Fox News and CNN. Ignoring them is a mistake... But MacKey, I respect that you dont agree! I just whanted to know why..

[Caustic Logic]

911K, have you really thought out what is at stake here, and what others' priorities might be? I'm pretty bored now with the coke and hookers riffs, and stricken with sympathy/pitty for Sheen at the moment. And still, he's got nothing. So he's on A.J. rambling about challemging the 'mainstream media' to a debate. "Let's go. Uhh.... Rush, Hannity... uuuh... Ted Turner, no wait... uhhh... oh yeah, Popular Mechanics, that guy..."

It's about as impressive as the little wiry-haired old guy in a tank top I saw at a bar recently challenging president Obama, Hitler, and God to a kickboxing fight. I don't feel it's worth my time trying to round up a posse of these three or anyone to kick the guy's ass. Even tho he is scrawny and would lose.

Just a thought.

[MysteryMammal]

911K, have you really thought out what is at stake here, and what others' priorities might be? I'm pretty bored now with the coke and hookers riffs, and stricken with sympathy/pitty for Sheen at the moment. And still, he's got nothing. So he's on A.J. rambling about challemging the 'mainstream media' to a debate. "Let's go. Uhh.... Rush, Hannity... uuuh... Ted Turner, no wait... uhhh... oh yeah, Popular Mechanics, that guy..."

It's about as impressive as the little wiry-haired old guy in a tank top I saw at a bar recently challenging president Obama, Hitler, and God to a kickboxing fight. I don't feel it's worth my time trying to round up a posse of these three or anyone to kick the guy's ass. Even tho he is scrawny and would lose.

Just a thought.

That is a good and often overlooked point. Just because a challenge is issued doesn't mean you have to stoop to accept it.

Charlie Sheen is picking his targets well. He's choosing people who won't deign to accept his little challenge, and proposing the "debate" be on a show, Larry King Live, that likely won't host it. He'll get little media attention from the stunt, so likely won't jeopardize his television gig, but he will get all the twoofer love. It must be awesome to be the hero to literally tens and tens of people world-wide.

[bill smith]

Brainster wrote; "Well, of course I don't really expect to debate Charlie on LKL, but I'm not going to leave the challenge unanswered. "

I dont expect a debate with MacKey and Sheen, but its not good that we leave the challenge to be unanswered

I dont remember there names, but on Hardfire Ron and a "video expert" debated "ACE the no-planer". I think it is important not to ignore someone like that and only debate those that have "good points". Twoofer dont see it like that... they think we dont debate them beause there argumente is to good...:boggled:

Whats in it for you? You get to debate the twoofer getting the most attention. Not just that, but you will run him over!! I think every debunker in the world would LOVE to see Sheen debunked to hell... And that he is not getting On Air with a Host that dont know anything about 911.

Whats in it for you? You get to debunk Sheen, and I think a lot of the 911-familys needs and whant someone that knows alot about 911, to come with arguments against Sheen. You know, listening to a No-planer with nobody debating him is extremely annoying. I think the 911-familys would love some one with ALOT of knowledge to answer Sheens questions..

Whats in it for you? Being a nice guy? Helping the lost persons "family members and twoofers" buying Sheens ********?

I think it is important to answer to persons getting on like Fox News and CNN. Ignoring them is a mistake... But MacKey, I respect that you dont agree! I just whanted to know why..

I think he should do it too. What better way to debunk the Truth Movement than to do it live in front of a hundred million people ? They might never recover and the battle would be won in one fell swoop.

On the other hand if RM or another debunker of stature does not take up the gauntlet....?

[stateofgrace]

I think he should do it too. What better way to debunk the Truth Movement than to do it live in front of a hundred million people ? They might never recover and the battle would be won in one fell swoop.

On the other hand if RM or another debunker of stature does not take up the gauntlet....?

100 million ? The battle would be won ?

:dl:
Not really delusional are you Bill ?

[MysteryMammal]

On the other hand if RM or another debunker of stature does not take up the gauntlet....?

The Twoof Movement will continue to languish in internet obscurity, leaving millions of people completely unaware of a huge and largely untapped deposit of hilarity.

It would be a sad day indeed. :rolleyes:

[tsig]

we will not accept anything less than a fully independent investigation with broad subpoena powers.

Why do you want to just subpoena women?

[Leviath]

So let me get this straight. Charlie Sheen is filthy rich and he believes the government is guilty of mass-murder of his fellow americans.

Then why isn't he
- donating to NYCCAN so they can get a real lawyer?
- sponsoring the research of Harrit and Jones et al (and paying for their publications)?
- lobbying for the release of KSM?
- making financial guarantees for the first-repsonders/families/survivors/etc who are willing to break their alleged gag orders?

But it seems he's more keen on spending 200(!) hours writing a fake interview. What a patriot.

[Mr.Herbert]

Why do you want to just subpoena women?

:dl:

[dtugg]

Charlie Sheen spent 200 hours writing that fake interview? Wow. I suppose, in his defense, that writing when you're coked out of your mind can't be easy.

[NoZed Avenger]

If Alex Jones is to be believed it took Sheen 200 hours to write his Obama interview, so you'd have to stay in that pub for 200 hours, too. No problem for Charlie Sheen, but I assume you are a lesser mortal. :D

I'll take that chance.

[NoZed Avenger]

Why do you want to just subpoena women?

We'll have to agree to disagree. That was the one point that made sense.

[fuelair]

What does he want to debate about? Cocaine? Hookers? Spousal abuse? Crappy sitcoms?

Beyond that, I'm not aware of any particular expertise Sheen has that would make him a worthwhile debating opponent.

But.....but.....he's an A*C*T*O*R!!!!!

[fitzgibbon]

But.....but.....he's an A*C*T*O*R!!!!!

No, he's a stereotype. Actors play different kinds of roles, broadening their range. Charlie Sheen just plays variations of himself with different character names.

[Brainster]

I think it is important to answer to persons getting on like Fox News and CNN. Ignoring them is a mistake... But MacKey, I respect that you dont agree! I just whanted to know why..

Ryan is a specialist; he should be used when the debate is on science and physics. Gravy or I should be used to debate the airheads like Sheen, Dylan, etc., when the evidence is going to be stuff like "eight hijackers are still alive" and "call me crazy, but did that look like a controlled demolition to you?"

[nicepants]

Ryan is a specialist; he should be used when the debate is on science and physics. Gravy or I should be used to debate the airheads like Sheen, Dylan, etc., when the evidence is going to be stuff like "eight hijackers are still alive" and "call me crazy, but did that look like a controlled demolition to you?"

I agree completely. I Sheen et al will probably ignore your response to his challenge and claim victory since they've found no challengers.

If you two were to debate, however, I have no doubt that you would destroy him. His talking points read like truther claims of 2006. Sheen clearly hasn't done his research and would come off like a complete fool.

I suspect this is just an attempt to get him in the MSM somehow so he can shotgun out hundreds of various claims which would be nearly impossible to debunk. If it's anything like their last attempt at attention-grabbing, the only audience is going to be the fans of the AJ show which is probably where this debate will end up happening. (I actually think that would be a great place for it)

If you do get on AJ's show...be sure to ask him about his falling out with Dylan Avery on the latest Loose Change project. That question sent Dylan off the deep end in a recent interview...I suspect the AJ's side of the story doesn't reflect so well on Mr. Avery.

[Hyperviolet]

It would be hilarious to see Charlie Sheen try to take on Gravy 'armed' with his 2005 arguments. He really would have no idea what he would be getting himself into. I'd pay hard cash to see that!

[bill smith]

Video with Charlie Sheen who makes a video address to the President about 2/3 of the way through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKR2-A0KPU&feature=channel_page

[Congruentruth]

What's stopping him from signing up here?

Well, That's obvious. He wants to have a real debate.

[bill smith]

Well, That's obvious. He wants to have a real debate.

lol

[bill smith]

Is that you Charlie ?

[beachnut]

... I think it is important to answer to persons getting on like Fox News and CNN. Ignoring them is a mistake... But MacKey, I respect that you dont agree! I just whanted to know why.. There is no debate, Sheen has moronic ideas on 911. He has no evidence and not a single person can help support his failed ideas on 911. Sheen has these ideas due to his complete ignorance on the subject. People having problems seeing Sheen is full of lies on 911 have serious problems thinking for themselves.

Charlie is self-debunking since his 911 views are based on ignorance, hearsay, lies and delusions. No one has evidence to help him.


I love Sheen because he's a man unencumbered by self-awareness. Think about it: The world's most famous clueless druggie, gambling-addicted, whore-banger thinks he's uncovered a conspiracy and we should all believe him. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549904,00.html ... all Sheen lacks is evidence.

[WildCat]

I'm sure you could humiliate Charlie Sheen on all the conspiracy talking points, especially the technical ones. I'm also equally sure that he wouldn't care. His goal in any "debate" would be to look and act cooler and more fun to hang out with than you, and being an experienced actor and well-known celebrity he'd probably succeed.

Then, six months later when he tells the gossip interviewer from Parade magazine, "Oh yes, I'm very serious about exposing the 9/11 cover-up. In fact I debated a government engineer on it, and he couldn't refute a single point" -- who's going to set the record straight, and how?

Myriad's Second Law: Before assuming you can win, make sure you know what the game is.

Respectfully,
Myriad
Reminds me of the saying "never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel", meaning the news media.

[R.Mackey]

Well, That's obvious. He wants to have a real debate.
What makes you think so?

Pat Curley has thrown his hat into the ring, in public. I'd lay odds that he is never contacted. If asked, if there actually is to be a debate, I'd consider it -- but I won't be.

Why do we think any debate is even anticpated? Because Charlie Sheen went on Alex Jones's radio and called out a bunch of talk show hosts? Because he invoked the name of Larry King? What? What is the proposal here?

Some months ago, I issued my own challenge (http://911myths.com/images/f/f0/911physics_big.pdf), as part of the shows I did on Hardfire. This show was commented on by many "ranking" Truthers, so it certainly reached all the right people. Yet, to this day, not a single one of them has even attempted the Challenge. Only one even showed interest, and he fled without making a submission.

Some years ago I wrote an extensive, fully referenced whitepaper (http://www.911myths.com/drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf) destroying Dr. Griffin, his beliefs, and his poor scholarship. He has a copy, I e-mailed him one at his request. Later he had a hard copy given to him (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4171685#post4171685) despite his flustered protestation, and he didn't even read it (much like the works he criticizes). To this day, not a peep out of him. Not a correction, not a challenge, nothing. He hides in his hole, hoping the problems will just go away.

There are numerous other examples of Truthers ducking debates -- Dr. Griffin is a serial offender, so is Kevin Ryan, etc.

Likewise, none of them has produced a properly reviewed paper, and none has ever presented at a science conference. They attend conferences, like Mr. Gage running his little souvenir booth trolling for donations, but actually present some science? Heck, no. They know what would happen.

So, what are we to make of that? Why would anyone care about answering their stupid Challenges, but dismiss all the times they've defaulted? Why is Charlie special? What makes you think he really wants a discussion? Explain this.

[CHF]

I'm still trying to figure out why truthers think Charlie Sheen is relevant.

They refer to Charlie, Rosie, Jesse Ventura or Willy Nelson as though their opinions on 9/11 are more valid than anyone else's.

Why are we to believe this is the case? What do they bring to the table in terms of knowledge or expertise?

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm still trying to figure out why truthers think Charlie Sheen is relevant.

They refer to Charlie, Rosie, Jesse Ventura or Willy Nelson as though their opinions on 9/11 are more valid than anyone else's.

Why are we to believe this is the case? What do they bring to the table in terms of knowledge or expertise?

Because many of them believe that if they are working in the fields of expertise involved or are famous celebrities they are -- in the words of bill smith -- "unassailably credible" so long as they agree with their fantasies.

[911kongen]

What makes you think so?

Pat Curley has thrown his hat into the ring, in public. I'd lay odds that he is never contacted. If asked, if there actually is to be a debate, I'd consider it -- but I won't be.

Why do we think any debate is even anticpated? Because Charlie Sheen went on Alex Jones's radio and called out a bunch of talk show hosts? Because he invoked the name of Larry King? What? What is the proposal here?

Some months ago, I issued my own challenge (http://911myths.com/images/f/f0/911physics_big.pdf), as part of the shows I did on Hardfire. This show was commented on by many "ranking" Truthers, so it certainly reached all the right people. Yet, to this day, not a single one of them has even attempted the Challenge. Only one even showed interest, and he fled without making a submission.

Some years ago I wrote an extensive, fully referenced whitepaper (http://www.911myths.com/drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf) destroying Dr. Griffin, his beliefs, and his poor scholarship. He has a copy, I e-mailed him one at his request. Later he had a hard copy given to him (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4171685#post4171685) despite his flustered protestation, and he didn't even read it (much like the works he criticizes). To this day, not a peep out of him. Not a correction, not a challenge, nothing. He hides in his hole, hoping the problems will just go away.

There are numerous other examples of Truthers ducking debates -- Dr. Griffin is a serial offender, so is Kevin Ryan, etc.

Likewise, none of them has produced a properly reviewed paper, and none has ever presented at a science conference. They attend conferences, like Mr. Gage running his little souvenir booth trolling for donations, but actually present some science? Heck, no. They know what would happen.

So, what are we to make of that? Why would anyone care about answering their stupid Challenges, but dismiss all the times they've defaulted? Why is Charlie special? What makes you think he really wants a discussion? Explain this.

I see your argument MacKey! But I do think the best thing to do is just accept the challenge. THEN argue that they never accept anyway... And you have a challenge out your self! But I do think the debunkers is loosing ground to mainstream people if they dont accept challenges from the leaders in the "truth-movement"...

[R.Mackey]

I see your argument MacKey! But I do think the best thing to do is just accept the challenge. THEN argue that they never accept anyway... And you have a challenge out your self! But I do think the debunkers is loosing ground to mainstream people if they dont accept challenges from the leaders in the "truth-movement"...

No, the best thing is not to just accept the challenge. The challenge is a sham. Again, if it gets serious, then maybe. This is far from serious as it is, and I'm amazed anyone can't see that.

You haven't actually gone through any of these. I have. They're a pain. Doubly so when the other side doesn't get their act together.

[LashL]

I see your argument MacKey! But I do think the best thing to do is just accept the challenge. THEN argue that they never accept anyway... And you have a challenge out your self! But I do think the debunkers is loosing ground to mainstream people if the dont accept challenges from the leaders in the "truth-movement"...


Sheen is hardly a "leader" in the "truth movement" and his "challenge" is virtually meaningless. Sheen doesn't know a darned thing about science or any of the relevant sub-specialties, and he doesn't know a darned thing about anything relevant to the events of 9/11.

Alex Jones and Sheen deliberately punked the naive, faithful followers of the "truth movement" for their own purposes, and now they are just trying to save face after belatedly recognizing the spectacular failure that it was, by pretending to issue a "challenge" that they know full well is utterly meaningless. But they still plan on fooling the naive, faithful followers of the "truth movement".

The stupid, it burns.

[911kongen]

No, the best thing is not to just accept the challenge. The challenge is a sham. Again, if it gets serious, then maybe. This is far from serious as it is, and I'm amazed anyone can't see that.

You haven't actually gone through any of these. I have. They're a pain. Doubly so when the other side doesn't get their act together.

Dont jump the gun MacKey. I have gone through this! I have tried to debate 911-truthers here in Norway.. but they bail out! We have had some engineers and one from PRIO: Foreign and Security Policy Program that say WTC was an inside job. I have email them, and the person from PRIOR actually believed WTC had a concrete core!

[R.Mackey]

Well, then you know that jumping at the chance to debate every coked-up dropout knucklehead who wakes up one morning and decides the US Government is behind every evil thing in the universe is a waste of time.

Again, if it gets more serious, maybe. But it won't. You'll see.

[911kongen]

Well, then you know that jumping at the chance to debate every coked-up dropout knucklehead who wakes up one morning and decides the US Government is behind every evil thing in the universe is a waste of time.

Again, if it gets more serious, maybe. But it won't. You'll see.

MacKey, I know it wont get serious! BUT, and its a big BUT, 911-truthers dont see it like that. So I think the best thing to do is just accept it, and not let the truthers get the chance to say we bail out. I accept Sheens challenge to debate his "paper"! But I know it will not happen... That doesent matter, the point is that im not afraid to debate any truthers! And I dont think you are, and truthers dont understand your reasoning not to debate... There logic will be that you dont accept and are afraid!

[R.Mackey]

MacKey, I know it wont get serious! BUT, and its a big BUT, 911-truthers dont see it like that. So I think the best thing to do is just accept it, and not let the truthers get the chance to say we bail out. I accept Sheens challenge to debate his "paper"! But I know it will not happen... That doesent matter, the point is that im not afraid to debate any truthers! And I dont think you are, and truthers dont understand your reasoning not to debate... There logic will be that you dont accept and are afraid!

See, you're trying to apply "logic." That's not going to work in this situation.

Truthers thrive on attention and personal abuse, and you're advocating giving it to them.

[Hokulele]

MacKey, I know it wont get serious! BUT, and its a big BUT, 911-truthers dont see it like that.


So what?

[911kongen]

See, you're trying to apply "logic." That's not going to work in this situation.

Truthers thrive on attention and personal abuse, and you're advocating giving it to them.

I see your point! But is it not most devestating to the Truth-movement if You MacKey and Mark Roberts debate them on lets say Larry King, and not King him self? Everytime its a truthers getting his points out there, and a Host that dont know anything about 911. Truthers attention will not be getting bigger if you debate him on that show, and not the host. Im not saying we must personally try to get this on CNN. BUT if it gets there, we should have a voice!! Dont let the debunking be up to the Host! That never works...

[R.Mackey]

No. It won't have any effect at all. The Truthers aren't even smart enough to know when they're beaten. All they care about is seeing one of their own up in lights.

For example, Mark Roberts absolutely creamed Richard Gage on Hardfire (although, to be fair, most of the wounds were self-inflicted). Did that wipe him out? Of course not.

In just the last 24 hours, I responded to one Truther who has no idea what an integral is, what inertia is, or that gravitational potential energy is important to building collapses. And another Truther who thinks that nanothermite is somehow a silent explosive. Yet both of these people, complete ignoramuses, will plant their feet and tell me, a professional, degreed, and published scientist who has explained everything to them in simple terms, that I'm a complete idiot and I haven't refuted anything they say.

The Truth Movement is rife with such people. They are so incompetent that absolutely nothing you can do will change their minds. Even if Charlie himself actually conceded the debate, saying "OK, you convinced me, it was just the voices in my head talking, and 9/11 was not an Inside Job," the next day the rest of the Truthers would shun him, claim he was paid off or threatened, that it was really a hologram... you name it.

As I said, there is no point. I see nothing in this for me. The only tangible advantage would be if anything important hinged on this debate, say if policy was going to be decided on the outcome, or if millions and millions of people were on the fence, waiting to see and hear the arguments for the first time. It Just Ain't So. The only thing I have to gain is smacking around Charlie Sheen, and frankly, that just isn't worth much to me. He's not special. He's about the last person in the world I'd listen to in such matters.

Make it worth my time.

[JoeyDonuts]

The "fishsticks" episode of South Park (the one with Kanye West not getting the joke) has a pretty good example of this mindset in action.

Along with a marching army of Hassidic Jew robots.

I swear, sometimes I think that show is the smartest thing on television, albeit in a backhanded way.

[911kongen]

No. It won't have any effect at all. The Truthers aren't even smart enough to know when they're beaten. All they care about is seeing one of their own up in lights.

For example, Mark Roberts absolutely creamed Richard Gage on Hardfire (although, to be fair, most of the wounds were self-inflicted). Did that wipe him out? Of course not.

In just the last 24 hours, I responded to one Truther who has no idea what an integral is, what inertia is, or that gravitational potential energy is important to building collapses. And another Truther who thinks that nanothermite is somehow a silent explosive. Yet both of these people, complete ignoramuses, will plant their feet and tell me, a professional, degreed, and published scientist who has explained everything to them in simple terms, that I'm a complete idiot and I haven't refuted anything they say.

The Truth Movement is rife with such people. They are so incompetent that absolutely nothing you can do will change their minds. Even if Charlie himself actually conceded the debate, saying "OK, you convinced me, it was just the voices in my head talking, and 9/11 was not an Inside Job," the next day the rest of the Truthers would shun him, claim he was paid off or threatened, that it was really a hologram... you name it.

As I said, there is no point. I see nothing in this for me. The only tangible advantage would be if anything important hinged on this debate, say if policy was going to be decided on the outcome, or if millions and millions of people were on the fence, waiting to see and hear the arguments for the first time. It Just Ain't So. The only thing I have to gain is smacking around Charlie Sheen, and frankly, that just isn't worth much to me. He's not special. He's about the last person in the world I'd listen to in such matters.

Make it worth my time.

Well, I dont think the debate will matter to the "truthers", but it will matter to the mainstream watching, lets say Larry king... And to the familys that have lost someone on that tragic day.. Dont we all think its annoying to watch a truther debating a Tv-host that dont know anything? Its way better if the truther is beaten in the head with science and logic! It will not help the truther, but the people watching.. Thats the point in debating! Truthers will NEVER change their mind on Air, and probably not later.. but thats not the point in debating them!

[bill smith]

No, the best thing is not to just accept the challenge. The challenge is a sham. Again, if it gets serious, then maybe. This is far from serious as it is, and I'm amazed anyone can't see that.

You haven't actually gone through any of these. I have. They're a pain. Doubly so when the other side doesn't get their act together.

I can imagine that you are reticent to appear on a show like Larry King. It would obviously be a huge risk because if for some reason it did not go well you would advance the progress of the Truth Movement by months if not cause an instant meltdown of the government story.

This is not a criticism. just a statement of fact.

[dtugg]

This is not a criticism. just a statement of fact.

You don't know what a fact is, bs.

[EnJaySee]

No. It won't have any effect at all. The Truthers aren't even smart enough to know when they're beaten. All they care about is seeing one of their own up in lights.

For example, Mark Roberts absolutely creamed Richard Gage on Hardfire (although, to be fair, most of the wounds were self-inflicted). Did that wipe him out? Of course not.

In just the last 24 hours, I responded to one Truther who has no idea what an integral is, what inertia is, or that gravitational potential energy is important to building collapses. And another Truther who thinks that nanothermite is somehow a silent explosive. Yet both of these people, complete ignoramuses, will plant their feet and tell me, a professional, degreed, and published scientist who has explained everything to them in simple terms, that I'm a complete idiot and I haven't refuted anything they say.

The Truth Movement is rife with such people. They are so incompetent that absolutely nothing you can do will change their minds. Even if Charlie himself actually conceded the debate, saying "OK, you convinced me, it was just the voices in my head talking, and 9/11 was not an Inside Job," the next day the rest of the Truthers would shun him, claim he was paid off or threatened, that it was really a hologram... you name it.

As I said, there is no point. I see nothing in this for me. The only tangible advantage would be if anything important hinged on this debate, say if policy was going to be decided on the outcome, or if millions and millions of people were on the fence, waiting to see and hear the arguments for the first time. It Just Ain't So. The only thing I have to gain is smacking around Charlie Sheen, and frankly, that just isn't worth much to me. He's not special. He's about the last person in the world I'd listen to in such matters.

Make it worth my time.

I slightly disagree with this. Like it or not, Sheen is a public personality and as such, has the ability to draw public attention to an issue. Hell, a lot of celebrities do this in one way or another. Just look at the celebrities who support PETA. Or how about the storm the Dixie Chicks caused when they spoke up against the Bush administration. A lot of them use their fame to put the spotlight on an issue, controversial or not.

You touched on it a little in this post, but if there were a few million people sitting on the fence on this issue and you did have a public debate where you smack Sheen's arguments into dust, wouldn't that convince those people that the TM is a sham? Isn't that a good thing?

You're 100% right when you say you won't convince the hard core truthers. After lurking in this forum for about a year, I don't think this is about convincing the truthers they're wrong anymore, it's about informing and educating people who don't have the time to do their own research and who are undecided on the issue. Hell, that's how I found this place. A friend of mine who had never spoken or even thought about 9/11 came to me one day last year and told me to watch LC and it was clear to me he was beginning to be swayed by it. I straight away did my own investigoogling and have since brought him back into the side of Real Truth and we've never spoken about it again. Since Sheen's public comments, how many public personalities have stood up and told him he's wrong? I found this comment in reuters:

"We can no longer allow these cowards and shills to contaminate the reservoirs
of truth. In addition to their slanderous folly, they have ignored my very
public challenge to a debate on Larry King Live. If these cockroaches had but
one shred of courage, they would embrace this opportunity," states Sheen.


Granted Reuters took that from the Alex Jones Show, it's still there in Reuters and Sheen's public comments are out there in the public. If no one stands up against him, he can and will say no one dared to debate him, therefore he's onto something and there must be some truth to what he said. That should not be allowed.

At the very least you can increase the number of people who'll tell them to shut the hell up. And from where I'm sitting, I think that's a good thing.

[911kongen]

I can imagine that you are reticent to appear on a show like Larry King. It would obviously be a huge risk because if for some reason it did not go well you would advance the progress of the Truth Movement by months if not cause an instant meltdown of the government story.

This is not a criticism. just a statement of fact.

I only have one thing to say;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_-IoeSB-A&NR=1

NOTE: NSFW

[bill smith]

I only have one thing to say;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_-IoeSB-A&NR=1

NOTE: NSFW


Tell me it ain't so then ? Now you maybe understand what a knife-edge this really is for peple like RM and the government story....but maybe you think that they have nothing to worry about ?

[911kongen]

Tell me it ain't so then ? Now you maybe undertand what a knife-edge this really is for peple like RM and the government story....but maybe you think that they have nothing to worry about ?

We know it will go a lot worse if Just a TV-host debates a truther than lets say MacKey or Roberts.. AND normaly its a TV-host debating this Nuts... Still is the truth movement going down! MacKey cant do a worse job than a TV-host. So we have everything to win on him or roberts debating!

[bill smith]

We know it will go a lot worse if Just a TV-host debates a truther than lets say MacKey or Roberts.. AND normaly its a TV-host debating this Nuts... Still is the truth movement going down! MacKey cant do a worse job than a TV-host. So we have everything to win on him or roberts debating!

I will be very happy to see any ranking debunker appear against Charlie Sheen on mainsteam TV like Larry King Live. The more senior the better. If we take heads we would like them to be big ones.

[911kongen]

I will be very happy to see any ranking debunker appear against Charlie Sheen on mainsteam TV like Larry King Live. The more senior the better. If we take heads we would ike them to be big ones.

Than can you call in to Alex Jones show and ask if Sheen is willing to debate Mark Roberts or Ryan MacKey? I bet he says yes, but it will never happen.. and thats not because Ryan or Mark said no... Sheen is going to bail out!! Just like Griffin!!

[bill smith]

Than can you call in to Alex Jones show and ask if Sheen is willing to debate Mark Roberts or Ryan MacKey? I bet he says yes, but it will never happen.. and thats not because Ryan or Mark said no... Sheen is going to bail out!! Just like Griffin!!

The Challenge has been thrown down. Now it's up to your guys to pick it up. RM or another (ranking) debunker can easily send the email accepting the Challenge and preparations can begin.

Otherwise Charlie (and the Truth Movement) are going to have an awful big stick to beat you with.

[MysteryMammal]

I can imagine that you are reticent to appear on a show like Larry King. It would obviously be a huge risk because if for some reason it did not go well you would advance the progress of the Truth Movement by months if not cause an instant meltdown of the government story.

This is not a criticism. just a statement of fact.

Actually, it's speculation. Speculation is not fact.

As for advancing the truth movement...

:dl:

[911kongen]

The challenge has been thrown down. Now it's up to your guys to pick it up. RM or another (ranking) debunker can easily send the email accepting the Challenge and preparations can begin.

Otherwise Charlie (and the Truth Movement) are going to have an awful big stick to beat you with.

Personally im a bit disappointed that the well know debunkers is starting to give up conspiracy nuts like Griffin. Nuts say one thing, and does something else! I know Sheen will do the same... we debunkers see that, but not people like you. You see it as a victory!

But thats not the point i debating Sheen. The point in debating Sheen is getting the facts out, and not let Sheen have a rant on a TV-show like Larry King... We need the people and familys of 911 to here our voice allso!

[bill smith]

Personally im a bit disappointed that the well know debunkers is starting to give up conspiracy nuts like Griffin. Nuts say one thing, and does something else! I know Sheen will do the same... we debunkers see that, but not people like you. You see it as a victory!

But thats not the point i debating Sheen. The point in debating Sheen is getting the facts out, and not let Sheen have a rant on a TV-show like Larry King... We need the people and familys of 911 to here our voice allso!

I agree absolutely that he point is to get the facts out to the wider population and jump-start the National debate. Many 9/11 families are Truthers too. [the rest deleted in the interests of staying on topic]

[MysteryMammal]

I agree absolutely that he point is to get the facts out to the wider population and jump-start the National debate. Many 9/11 families are Truthers too. 400 family members already brought a class-action murder suit against Bush and Co in 2004. The warrents were even served on Bush personally. But a friendly judge dismissed the case on the grounds of 'sovereign immunity '....(the King is exempt from prosecution). But you must have read about this in the papers ? It's another story anyway for another day.

I have not read about this. Linky, please?

[bill smith]

I have not read about this. Linky, please?

Look up ' Stanley Hilton lawsuit ' but start a new thread if you want to discuss it please.

[JoeyDonuts]

I agree absolutely that he point is to get the facts out to the wider population and jump-start the National debate.

You've had how many chances to show your cards and get this thing moving again?

And now you're hitching your wagon to Charlie Sheen.

Must be a little disheartening to know your collective efforts won't ever amount to so much as a bump on the road of history.

So, what's your plan of action when nobody pays attention to Uncle Charlie, and the National Debate over 9/11 never starts the way you want it to?

Oh, the hell with it. Just blame "THEM." It's so much easier when you don't have to think that much.

[bill smith]

You've had how many chances to show your cards and get this thing moving again?

And now you're hitching your wagon to Charlie Sheen.

Must be a little disheartening to know your collective efforts won't ever amount to so much as a bump on the road of history.

So, what's your plan of action when nobody pays attention to Uncle Charlie, and the National Debate over 9/11 never starts the way you want it to?

Oh, the hell with it. Just blame "THEM." It's so much easier when you don't have to think that much.

This is a smouldering fire Joey. We just want to throw some petrol on it and let the fires of Truth rage.

[JoeyDonuts]

This is a smouldering fire Joey. We just want to throw some petrol on it and let the fires of Truth rage.

Yawn. You're not even a sputtering half-stomped cigarette butt laying in a gutter. The last sensible members of your movement got embarrassed and moved on some time ago.

You're fringe, to be filed right alongside Flat Earth, JFK, Roswell, crop circles, Chupacabra, and every other pseudoscientific pile of bunkum out there.

The interesting thing about your arguments in particular is that you tend to skip right back to this hyperbole about the size and unstoppable raging fury of your "movement" after someone shows you unequivocally how your position is scientifically without merit.

So, though you may manage to attract the violent, the unstable, and the occassional celebrity, you still aren't attracting reputable scientists, politicians, historians, ex-military, and the like. Notice I said reputable. That means no trotting out Dr. Jones, Cynthia McKinney, Van Jones, David Ray Griffin, Korey Rowe, April Gallop and such.

[bill smith]

Yawn. You're not even a sputtering half-stomped cigarette butt laying in a gutter. The last sensible members of your movement got embarrassed and moved on some time ago.

You're fringe, to be filed right alongside Flat Earth, JFK, Roswell, crop circles, Chupacabra, and every other pseudoscientific pile of bunkum out there.

The interesting thing about your arguments in particular is that you tend to skip right back to this hyperbole about the size and unstoppable raging fury of your "movement" after someone shows you unequivocally how your position is scientifically without merit.

So, though you may manage to attract the violent, the unstable, and the occassional celebrity, you still aren't attracting reputable scientists, politicians, historians, ex-military, and the like. Notice I said reputable. That means no trotting out Dr. Jones, Cynthia McKinney, Van Jones, David Ray Griffin, Korey Rowe, April Gallop and such.

Oh well we'll just have to keep plugging on. No sweat.

[JoeyDonuts]

Oh well we'll just have to keep plugging on. No sweat.

Hell of a way to waste a life.

[Bad_Doggie]

MacKey, I know it wont get serious! BUT, and its a big BUT, 911-truthers dont see it like that. So I think the best thing to do is just accept it, and not let the truthers get the chance to say we bail out. I accept Sheens challenge to debate his "paper"! But I know it will not happen... That doesent matter, the point is that im not afraid to debate any truthers! And I dont think you are, and truthers dont understand your reasoning not to debate... There logic will be that you dont accept and are afraid!

Who, really, cares what hard core truthers think? They are beyond redemption and no matter what is presented in the way of evidence that runs contrary to their personal beliefs they will dismiss it in their own minds. Their “belief” borders on religious.

With that in mind I believe that Dawkins position of not debating Theists is probably the best stance. To debate them only serves to give them the recognition and validity they crave but don't deserve. Without, this recognition they will wilt and die.

The only thing to do is to make sure that the information/tools are available to those with minds open enough who wish to make an informed judgement; but, not expert enough to have this information at their finger tips.

Woof!

[JoeyDonuts]

Who, really, cares what hard core truthers think?
Their families, for one. The other parties in relationships that are being strained by their beliefs.

They are beyond redemption and no matter what is presented in the way of evidence that runs contrary to their personal beliefs they will dismiss it in their own minds.

This isn't exlusively directed at you, but...

When I see things like this, it makes some of the backlash against debunkers make sense. There is a way to point out the error of a person's position without succumbing to the gradeschool dogpiling mindset.

What I see on this forum occassionally reminds me of what you'd see on the PFT or Loose Change forums attitude-wise. At this point, you have to ask yourself why you participate in this kind of forum at all. Is it to reach out to someone suckered in by these beliefs, or is it to beat your chest and claim moral and scientific superiority? In the case of the latter, it's counter-productive. Anyone who's ever worked with cult survivors knows that they have to see the way out for themselves - the motivation has to come from within. You don't do that by hurling knee-jerk insults at someone. If you can systematically take down their arguments while preserving their sense of self-worth, you'll have a lot better success when it comes to reaching people. If there's a heavy ego or ideological investment it might get more complicated, and occassionally people cross a threshold into self-destructive paranoia that is almost impossible to come back from. But to write off every person identifying themselves as a "truther" as a lost cause is wrong. (I caveat this with the observation that as time goes by and the "truth movement" hemorrhages members, those left will be the truly dug-in ones.)

This forum is full of people who believed in CT's at some point, and then found their way back to reality. I'd bet not too many of them did so because they were constantly belittled.

Their “belief” borders on religious.

No argument here.

[bill smith]

You must be joking ? Who could ever once have thought that the collapse of WTC7 was a controlled demolition an then changed their mind ? The same goes for the Twin Towers. This is just the atest and most stupid debunker tactic. Others being 'The Truth Movement is dead' ...' The Truth Movement is violent ' and so on and on.

[Bad_Doggie]

Their families, for one. The other parties in relationships that are being strained by their beliefs.
I don’t see what bearing this has on my point; which was that debating truthers just adds to their delusions and gives them a platform to further their delusions.

This isn't exlusively directed at you, but...

When I see things like this, it makes some of the backlash against debunkers make sense. There is a way to point out the error of a person's position without succumbing to the gradeschool dogpiling mindset.

I realize that and see here that a lot of people spend a lot of time replying extensively to “truther questions” that in no way could be described as the “gradeschool dogpiling”. However, I am not saying that it doesn’t happen.

What I see on this forum occassionally reminds me of what you'd see on the PFT or Loose Change forums attitude-wise. At this point, you have to ask yourself why you participate in this kind of forum at all. Is it to reach out to someone suckered in by these beliefs, or is it to beat your chest and claim moral and scientific superiority?

I can only speak for myself in that I have an interest in Engineering and Physics and I come here to learn and re-learn. I spend much more time reading than posting. There are some very knowledgeable people here who are prepared to take the time to make this knowledge available. In this way there are quite a few who are “reaching out” to those suckered by these beliefs. There are some here who abuse this, you are aware of that to aren’t you? I do take issue with that.

But to write off every person identifying themselves as a "truther" as a lost cause is wrong. (I caveat this with the observation that as time goes by and the "truth movement" hemorrhages members, those left will be the truly dug-in ones.)

This forum is full of people who believed in CT's at some point, and then found their way back to reality. I'd bet not too many of them did so because they were constantly belittled.

You did notice that I wrote “Hardcore” didn’t you? It was that group that I was referring to and debating them will only serve to fuel and spread their delusions.

Woof!

[JimBenArm]

You must be joking ? Who could ever once have thought that the collapse of WTC7 was a controlled demolition an then changed their mind ?
People with the ability to look objectively, learn, and overcome their own biases. Yeah.
Some, however, will live their lives wallowing in self-delusion, paranoia and religious fervor, no matter how stupid their beliefs are.

[Brainster]

As predicted, Sheen has ignored my response to his challenge (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS16571+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916).

"We can no longer allow these cowards and shills to contaminate the reservoirs of truth. In addition to their slanderous folly, they have ignored my very public challenge to a debate on Larry King Live. If these cockroaches had but one shred of courage, they would embrace this opportunity," states Sheen.

This despite the fact that my acceptance is the #2 google result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Charlie+Sheen+challenge&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for "Charlie Sheen Challenge (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-accept-charlie-sheens-challenge.html)".

Charlie's not interested in debating a real debunker; he wants to debate people who aren't familiar with the Troofer nonsense.

[CHF]

As predicted, Sheen has ignored my response to his challenge (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS16571+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916).

This despite the fact that my acceptance is the #2 google result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Charlie+Sheen+challenge&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for "Charlie Sheen Challenge (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-accept-charlie-sheens-challenge.html)".

Charlie's not interested in debating a real debunker; he wants to debate people who aren't familiar with the Troofer nonsense.

That's what truthers live for.

How many times has Richard Gage been shown on an AM newscast parroting his nonsense next to some Ken and Barbie newspresenters who have no idea what he's talking about?

In an actual debate these clowns are quickly exposed as the scam-artists that they are.

[beachnut]

As predicted, Sheen has ignored my response to his challenge (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS16571+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916).



This despite the fact that my acceptance is the #2 google result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Charlie+Sheen+challenge&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for "Charlie Sheen Challenge (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-accept-charlie-sheens-challenge.html)".

Charlie's not interested in debating a real debunker; he wants to debate people who aren't familiar with the Troofer nonsense.

He will not debate he will talk about the right to have delusions about 911; invoking mom and apple pie and his right to be stupid.

[Mr.Herbert]

As predicted, Sheen has ignored my response to his challenge (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS16571+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916).



This despite the fact that my acceptance is the #2 google result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Charlie+Sheen+challenge&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for "Charlie Sheen Challenge (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-accept-charlie-sheens-challenge.html)".

Charlie's not interested in debating a real debunker; he wants to debate people who aren't familiar with the Troofer nonsense.

Pat,

I contacted Mike Nelson (he is one of the sources from the Reuters article) at the Alex Jones Show and spoke to him personally. I gave him your website address, your name, and the Google link you posted. I assured him that you would be willing to debate Mr. Sheen at any venue. He seemd pretty interested and will be forwarding the information to his producers.

I think it's safe to assume that once they see your webpage, Sheen will run the other way. (if it even gets that far)

[nicepants]

Pat,

I contacted Mike Nelson (he is one of the sources from the Reuters article) at the Alex Jones Show and spoke to him personally. I gave him your website address, your name, and the Google link you posted. I assured him that you would be willing to debate Mr. Sheen at any venue. He seemd pretty interested and will be forwarding the information to his producers.

I think it's safe to assume that once they see your webpage, Sheen will run the other way. (if it even gets that far)

They will probably still pretend as if the challenge has gone unanswered. Might be worth calling into his live show (does he take calls?) and mentioning it there.

If that happened, AJ would probably fall onto his backup, the no true scottsman, claiming that they want to debate Limbaugh, Hannity, or [insert another big name who has bashed the truthers but knows very little of the truther talking points].

[Mr.Herbert]

They will probably still pretend as if the challenge has gone unanswered. Might be worth calling into his live show (does he take calls?) and mentioning it there.

If that happened, AJ would probably fall onto his backup, the no true scottsman, claiming that they want to debate Limbaugh, Hannity, or [insert another big name who has bashed the truthers but knows very little of the truther talking points].

Agreed!

I do think the blowhard takes calls. I will look for the number and attempt to call into the show

[bill smith]

Do you think Charlie is going to steadily ramp up the insults to the point where ranking debunkers are going to have to take up the Challenge and go on Larry King Live with him before the Nation ? Will this kickstart the National debate on 9/11 ?

[beachnut]

Do you think Charlie is going to steadily ramp up the insults to the point where ranking debunkers are going to have to take up the Challenge and go on Larry King Live with him before the Nation ? Will this kickstart the National debate on 9/11 ?
Sheen first questioned the events of 9/11 in 2006 when he said: "It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions." http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=22&art_id=iol1252912842881S500
Charlie raised his question because for him 75 percent was higher than any grades he got in high-school.

It is sad that this high-school dropout is acting so stupid on 911; it give a bad name for high-school dropouts who like Charlie can earn a lot of money. Goes to show Charlie never used his money to improve his critical thinking skills.

How can Charlie insult debunkers? All Charlie has are failed delusions like you post all the time. I have asked you to prove with evidence any of Charlie's implied conclusions and you failed big time. Charlie lacks the knowledge and critical thinking skills to figure out 911; what is your take on his extreme ignorance on 911?

[nicepants]

Do you think Charlie is going to steadily ramp up the insults to the point where ranking debunkers are going to have to take up the Challenge and go on Larry King Live with him before the Nation ?

No. He can ramp up the insults all he wants, it won't mean that any debunker of 9/11 BS would have to take up his challenge. This is simply an attempt to gain publicity....his problem is that basically no one (outside of the truthers and the people on this board) cares.

Will this kickstart the National debate on 9/11 ?

Not any more than debating a flat-earther on Larry King Live would kickstart a national debate on that issue.

*Caveat - I don't imagine that we'll see either debate happening on Larry King Live.

[Bad_Doggie]

No. He can ramp up the insults all he wants, it won't mean that any debunker of 9/11 BS would have to take up his challenge. This is simply an attempt to gain publicity....his problem is that basically no one (outside of the truthers and the people on this board) cares.

And that is the best reason for not taking up the challenge.

Not any more than debating a flat-earther on Larry King Live would kickstart a national debate on that issue.

*Caveat - I don't imagine that we'll see either debate happening on Larry King Live.

It will have to be slow day news wise for that to happen, Sheen or not.

Woof!

[bill smith]

And that is the best reason for not taking up the challenge.



It will have to be slow day news wise for that to happen, Sheen or not.

Woof!

What if Charlie calls a series of press conferences and advises them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11 ? How could the press not report it without giving the game away ?

This would be meat and drink to much of the foreign media.

[beachnut]

What if Charlie calls a series of press conferences and advises them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11 ? How could the press not report it without giving the game away ?

This would be meat and drink to much of the foreign media.
The press did not miss reporting Charlie's madness you did.
Wowzer the Press has already picked up on Charlie's revelation of stupid.

Charlie Sheen goes stark staring mad as a Truther

http://www.examiner.com/x-14795-Page-One-Examiner~y2009m9d11-Charlie-Sheen-goes-stark-staring-mad-as-a-Truther

Wow, the game is up, Charlie Sheen is dirt dumb stupid on 911. You and Charlie share one thing in common, 911 delusions.

Charlie Sheen is at least somewhat talented as an actor (although it has to be said that no one is waiting for his Hamlet, or Lear) but this thought that the government knew about 9/11, was complicit, blew up some of the buildings themselves. No, sorry, this is falling off the edge into madness.

What are you somewhat talented at besides posting lie about 911?

[Myriad]

What if Charlie calls a series of press conferences and advises them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11?


I think that's another excellent idea and that you should do whatever it takes to make it happen.

In fact, if Charlie Sheen fails to do it, YOU should call a series of press conferences and advise them of the situation that Charlie Sheen is refusing to call a series of press conferences to advise them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11.

That'll blow the whole thing wide open!

But, maybe you should finish your Lego Twin Towers model and your "molten lava at ground zero" video exposé first? Slowlee slowlee catchee monkey doesn't work if you try to catchee too many monkeys at the same time. (And as I've said before, it also helps if you're moving in the general direction of the monkey, but I've given up hope on that score.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

[bill smith]

The press did not miss reporting Charlie's madness you did.
Wowzer the Press has already picked up on Charlie's revelation of stupid.


Wow, the game is up, Charlie Sheen is dirt dumb stupid on 911. You and Charlie share one thing in common, 911 delusions.

What are you somewhat talented at besides posting lie about 911?

Ol' Charlie will have expected the demonising to go into frantic overdrive . It should be fun to watch. I think it might be too late though.

[bill smith]

I think that's another excellent idea and that you should do whatever it takes to make it happen.

In fact, if Charlie Sheen fails to do it, YOU should call a series of press conferences and advise them of the situation that Charlie Sheen is refusing to call a series of press conferences to advise them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11.

That'll blow the whole thing wide open!

But, maybe you should finish your Lego Twin Towers model and your "molten lava at ground zero" video exposé first? Slowlee slowlee catchee monkey doesn't work if you try to catchee too many monkeys at the same time. (And as I've said before, it also helps if you're moving in the general direction of the monkey, but I've given up hope on that score.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

Whatta matta you Myriad ? It's 'Slowlee-slowlee-catcha-da-monkee' these days. lol

[beachnut]

Ol' Charlie will have expected the demonising to go into frantic overdrive . It should be fun to watch. I think it might be too late though. You can't support his idea with evidence so the fact is Charlie's ideas on 911 are indicative of the fact
Charlie Sheen goes stark staring mad as a Truther

lol - http://www.examiner.com/x-14795-Page-One-Examiner~y2009m9d11-Charlie-Sheen-goes-stark-staring-mad-as-a-Truther So you want it both ways!? Sheen is exposed as a nut case on 911 when his ideas are covered because they are based on hearsay and lies; yet you then say they are sermonizing him because his ideas are nut case ideas based on lies and hearsay?

If you had some evidence you could save Charlie from being exposes as a nut case conspiracy theorist. But you can't support a single idea he has with evidence.

[Bad_Doggie]

What if Charlie calls a series of press conferences and advises them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11 ? How could the press not report it without giving the game away ?

This would be meat and drink to much of the foreign media.

Some how, I doubt that it would make the front page, apart from on a few 9/11 sites. The press conferences would be an irrelevance as sheen is irrelevant. Staved of attention they will wilt and disappear. A little like you would if everyone here stopped replying to your inane posts.

Btw how hard is Larry pushing to make this happen?

Woof!

[dudalb]

Jon Stewert and the SNL crew are praying for this to happen. Easy Material for weeks.

[bill smith]

Jon Stewert and the SNL crew are praying for this to happen. Easy Material for weeks.

The media is basically owned by three or four corporations. This is a long way removed from the 50 or so corporations that there were around 1980. At that time the press was fairly independent. Not now though.

So the owners will not want this to get through but might not be able to stop it. As you say the actual hosts and anchors will take to it like ducks to water as a gift made in television heaven.

[DGM]

What if Charlie calls a series of press conferences and advises them of the situation that no ranking debunker dares to meet him on Larry King Live in an open discussion of what really happened on 9/11 ? How could the press not report it without giving the game away ?

This would be meat and drink to much of the foreign media.
Why do you think this will get to "Larry King Live"? Because Charlie said so? Has Larry King said anything about it?

[DGM]

Bill:
I really am interested to know why you think Charlie Sheen will make such a huge impact when Rosie O'Donald (who was on national TV at the time) was ignored. She had the audience and the audience thought she was nuts. What's the difference now?

ETA Funny thing is I'm off to watch "two and a half men", Charlies' a funny guy, nuts, but funny.

[bill smith]

Bill:
I really am interested to know why you think Charlie Sheen will make such a huge impact when Rosie O'Donald (who was on national TV at the time) was ignored. She had the audience and the audience thought she was nuts. What's the difference now?

Now there is critical mass DGM. The tipping point is here.

[dtugg]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely hilarious that bs is putting so much faith in a high school drop out with a cocaine and hooker problem?

[dudalb]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely hilarious that bs is putting so much faith in a high school drop out with a cocaine and hooker problem?



No more then I find it drop dead funny that bs gets excited about every week about some "breakthrough " about to happen for The Twoof.

[Bobert]

I enjoyed Charlie more when he was killing russians rather than talking to them.

1_I4WgBfETc



Explain the plummeting twoofer attendance at GZ anniversary ceremonies then.

The chemtrails kept them away. Well that or the weed sniffing dogs.

[Thunder]

Wolverines!!!

:)

[MysteryMammal]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely hilarious that bs is putting so much faith in a high school drop out with a cocaine and hooker problem?

You're not the only one. This is far more entertaining than even Two and Half Men.

[tsig]

No more then I find it drop dead funny that bs gets excited about every week about some "breakthrough " about to happen for The Twoof.

A climax a day keeps the boredom away.

[TheDaver]

I personally think poking fun at Charlie Sheen is the way to go. Considering the way he’s slandering and falsely associating himself with President Obama, it would be hypocritical and damaging for him to attack anybody for doing that. And just poking fun at him works well enough on its own.

[Longfellow]

Personally, I see no need for anyone to debate Mr. Sheen on anything related to 9/11.

While I do not think I could ever like him on a personal level I do like some of his performances in both moves (Ferris Beuller, anyone? ...anyone? ...anyone?) and television (the aforementioned 2 1/2 Men). I also have a bit of a soft spot for the Hot Shot's movies. For Lloyd Bridges, mainly, but Charlie Sheen has some moments (the peace-pipe scene cracks me up every time).

But Charlie Sheen should encounter silence to his calls for a public debate about any aspect of the events of 11 September, 2001, In My Opinion.

[Disbelief]

Now there is critical mass DGM. The tipping point is here.

I would have thought that Rosie was the critical mass. One push, and she definitely would tip over.

[DGM]

Now there is critical mass DGM. The tipping point is here.
You didn't answer my question. What makes you think anyone will listen to Charlie? It's no secret hes a drunken whore monger. And what is this "critical mass" that your talking about? Is some alternate world all a buzz with "truthers" that I don't know about? I don't spend a lot of time on the net so I have to relate to the world I see (outside), and I've never ever met a "truther" or even seen an "inside job" sign. Is this a secret revolution?

[beachnut]

Now there is critical mass DGM. The tipping point is here.
There was a critical mass of stupid the second the first 911 conspiracy theorist made up the first moronic delusion on 911. That massive pile of stupid formed a pit of ignorance and Charlie fell in and can't get out.

Except for prisonplanet and inforwars the rest of the world is smart enough to figure out - Charlie Sheen Has Gone Cuckoo Bananas
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/show_business/charlie_sheen_has_gone_cuckoo_bananas_130581.asp
It must of been the lack of evidence that gives the rational minded a clue on Charlie's delusions. If Charlie Sheen would like to be the face of this movement, then so be it. Not only does his participation in this video make him irresponsible, it makes him a ... http://www.pokerroad.com/blog/dan-o-brien/posts/9-11-conspiracy-theories-a-reasonable-man-s-argument
For the conspiracy minded who love doltish theories on 911 Charlie can not loose this debate!

[Thunder]

I'm sorry, why should I care about Charlie Sheen again? He is relevant...why?

Chucky should be ignored, and is being ignored.

[dudalb]

I'm sorry, why should I care about Charlie Sheen again? He is relevant...why?

Chucky should be ignored, and is being ignored.

Except to be laughed at for his craziness.
Or until his divorce heats up again....

[oldmajor]

I wonder if "Twenty Minutes with the president" is actually a psyop on the misuse of the semi colon:

"Now; In researching your position..."

"Mr. President, it has been often said; 'Those who do not know history...'"

"Number 2;"

"Number 3;"

"Number 4;"

etc

Charlie Sheen; American Grammatical Patriot

[beachnut]

The questions come in for Charlie ...

1. What took your ass so long to make this idiotic leap of logic and come public with it? It’s been EIGHT YEARS! Does it take you that long to form a thought? http://www.kctribune.com/article/Lifestyle/The_EZone/Charlie_Sheen/19076


Good question for all conspiracy theorists who have made the same "idiotic leap of" faith based on paranoid hearsay, and lies.

[Orphia Nay]

http://www.kctribune.com/article/Lifestyle/The_EZone/Charlie_Sheen/19076

[...]Ok, what do we know about Charlie Sheen?

He is theson of Martin Sheen, an actor who played a left-wing president in a thinly-veiled liberal love fest called “The West Wing”. (Gossamer thin, folks.) His brother, Emilio Estevez, also and actor, played a lovesick kid from Georgetown, a section of Washington, D.C., in the 1980’s bratpackstravaganza, “St. Elmo’s Fire”.

That’s what gives him the authority to comment, authoritatively, on 9/11! Now I get it! He has had Washington connections for YEARS!He jumps to his cock-eyed conclusions based on a lineage of Kennedyesque political leadership, consuming Photo-shopped non-evidence faster than his ex-wife could click her divorce-paper-signing pen when she couldn’t take his logic leaps anymore. It wasn’t anyalleged whoring and coking that cracked her composure, it was his incessant jumping on her head trying to stuff it with poop.

[...]

1. What took your ass so long to make this idiotic leap of logic and come public with it? It’s been EIGHT YEARS! Does it take you that long to form a thought?

2. How do you know so much? Were you in on it? I want to investigate YOU since you know so much. In fact, I think you are hiding more than you are saying. You’d have to be, since what you are actually saying amounts to a hill of turds.

3. Have you seen the look in your eyes when you talk about this stuff? I think you ate the other half of that man in your show with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

4. What would make you think that YOU, a movie actor, have the life experience and studying capabilities to back up such lofty allegations?

5. Why do you think it is alright to abuse your misplaced power to scare people into believing unproven crap like this? Did you ever consider the kid who might be a fan of your show that sees you spouting this pollution, you contributor to global warming, and cry himself to sleep because he thinks his own president killed thousands of people on his own soil? I’m serious about this one. No speculation here. You should be ashamed, the way any evangelist who spouts fire and brimstone around children should. You have done damage. Not too hard to imagine that one.

[...]

:newlol

[R.Mackey]

So...

I'm guessing Charlie and Alex haven't contacted Pat Curley yet?

Larry King hasn't said a thing about this alleged "challenge" that he's supposedly hosting?

Charlie hasn't said anything decipherable in the last 48 hours?


Told you it was a sham challenge.

[Unsecured Coins]

Hell, I'll debate Chuck Sheen. Truthers have my email...come on Charles. Send me a line

[CHF]

So...

I'm guessing Charlie and Alex haven't contacted Pat Curley yet?

Larry King hasn't said a thing about this alleged "challenge" that he's supposedly hosting?

Charlie hasn't said anything decipherable in the last 48 hours?

Told you it was a sham challenge.

But, but....Charlie spent 200 hours making up that challenge!

And all it got him was 15 minutes of mockery and a horde of enraged truthers who were dumb enough to think the interview was real.

[Unsecured Coins]

That's why I need to debate him. I'd like to see him pause for a moment while he thinks of an answer for me. On live TV. While he waits, I'll have Bubb Rubb say his line to break the silence

[SlightlyAbovePar]

I'll start it off:

Men At Work was so bad it should get residuals when someone else makes a bad movie.

I await your reply Mr. Sheen.

I laughed my ass off watching that movie. There. I've said it. I admit to watching "Men At Work" - and liking it.

:D

[Par]

I find you condescending, SlightlyAbovePar.

[Brainster]

I find you condescending, SlightlyAbovePar.

Well, remember, in golf slightly above par is worse than par.

:D

[Brainster]

So...

I'm guessing Charlie and Alex haven't contacted Pat Curley yet?

You are guessing well. :D

[stewieg]

So...


Larry King hasn't said a thing about this alleged "challenge" that he's supposedly hosting?

Charlie hasn't said anything decipherable in the last 48 hours?


Told you it was a sham challenge.


Probably becasue Larry King has no idea he was supposed to host it. ;)

Even if he were asked you know he would not touch something like this with a ten foot pole.

[Unsecured Coins]

by the way, I'm not kidding

[tsig]

by the way, I'm not kidding

Looks like a fight is braking out at the bat rack. Everyone wants to take a swing at Sheen.

[Brainster]

by the way, I'm not kidding

Put up a YouTube reply to the Sheenster and I will post it on SLC, while reiterating my own reply.

[Whiplash]

That's why I need to debate him. I'd like to see him pause for a moment while he thinks of an answer for me. On live TV. While he waits, I'll have Bubb Rubb say his line to break the silence


How about Bubb Rubb vs Sheen? That could be interesting. I think Bubb would wipe the floor with him. While the whistles go Woooooooooooo!

[Unsecured Coins]

Put up a YouTube reply to the Sheenster and I will post it on SLC, while reiterating my own reply.

I'll see what I can do. I only have my camcorder but no Av cord to plug it in to anything. I could do a written one and post that, but since we still have a lot of work to with the move, it might take a few days

[NWO Sentryman]

I dare.

[triforcharity]

As predicted, Sheen has ignored my response to his challenge (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS16571+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916).



This despite the fact that my acceptance is the #2 google result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Charlie+Sheen+challenge&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for "Charlie Sheen Challenge (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-accept-charlie-sheens-challenge.html)".

Charlie's not interested in debating a real debunker; he wants to debate people who aren't familiar with the Troofer nonsense.

Just FYI, its number one now!!

[Brainster]

Just FYI, its number one now!!

I know how to tweak Google.:D

[MysteryMammal]

Just FYI, its number one now!!

Too bad it'll be ignored along with all of the evidence that blows apart Sheen's claims.

[Mongrel]

So Brainster accepted the challenge a week ago and Bill Smith has disappeared from this thread...

My "Surprise" meter is reading zero

[twinstead]

So Brainster accepted the challenge a week ago and Bill Smith has disappeared from this thread...

My "Surprise" meter is reading zero


At least you still have a working meter. My irony meter was broken years ago by truthers, and I neglected to ever buy a surprise meter.

[Unsecured Coins]

I say Pat and myself go against Chuck and Alexander

[Brainster]

I say Pat and myself go against Chuck and Alexander

Oh, no, B'rer Wolf! Don't throw me in that Alex patch!

:D

[Unsecured Coins]

oh come on! it'd be a ratings smash! :D

[thought_fugitive]

[. . .]
I would enjoy such a farcical "debate" about as much as I enjoy stealing candy from a sleeping baby with glasses. Mr. Sheen is so far out of his depth that his ears have popped. And if this is the best spokesman the Truth Movement can come up with, then our efforts here have succeeded beyond our wildest hopes.

So then that whole "stealing candy from a sleeping baby with glasses" statement was based on experience? And you're really not as enthusiastic about the sport as me? Are you diabetic or do I just need new hobbies?!

On a serious note, that last sentence is excellent and I think the OP should consider it again. 911kogen, IMHO you seem to think the truth movement is more dangerous than it really is. I certainly don't think it should be ignored altogether, but I disagree with the necessity of the calls to arms you've expressed in your posts.

If you think it's imperative that the prominent debunkers debate Charlie Sheen, might I ask why? This is certainly no insult to them, but none of them are famous in the same way as Sheen. I doubt many Larry King viewers would know or care what the debunking community is. I'm certain that any debunker versed in logic would have the same effect as someone like Mackey going on the program.

I think PR stunts like this, at this point in the game, are not going to add many of the vitriolic card carrying truthers (that parky regularly mentions as being almost completely nonexistent statistically) to their ranks.

[Bad_Doggie]

Has anyone been contacted by Larry’s people? Surely Larry must be involved to make this happen!

Past that it’s another scam.

Woof!

[mythstifieD]

Let's do it live in front of a hundred million Americans instead. We will see if we can show tham some interesting stuff. Let's get the conversation going on a wider scale Beachnut.

what harm can it do ?

HAH!

I just figured it out.

IT out.

There are no Truthers left. They've been debunked into obscurity and are endangered animals here at JREF.

Bill Smith, whoever he/she really is, is not really a Truther. This person is actually a debunked who realized that SOMEONE has to keep us on our game or else we will get rusty at this, so he purposely trolls to keep us awake and ready for flimflammery (adds to dictionary) whenever it comes!

Of course, I reasoned this because no Truther would actually want a competent debunker to actually face their American Idol, Charlie Sheen, live on Larry King. Alas, Sheen would have the bias of time on his side in an equal timed debate. Sometimes the truth takes longer to explain. But, it's obvious I'm sure, even to bill, that Sheen won't be too worrisome, podium to podium. Best part is that Sheen is famous, so everyone will see the epic fail (I mean, could you imagine the Dylan Avery interviews being viral? No one would care anymore with him taking such beatings lately). So why would a Truther wish his own demise like that?

Ok ok, damn this conspiratorial mind of mine... :boggled:

[Unsecured Coins]

I don't care who bill smith is, claims to be, or wants to be. I want Charlie Sheen to get me on Larry King.

[Sam.I.Am]

I don't care who bill smith is, claims to be, or wants to be. I want Charlie Sheen to get me on Larry King.

This is not your personal erotica site...:D

[Unsecured Coins]

This is not your personal erotica site...:D


so? a guy can dream, can't he?

[Grizzly Bear]

I don't think Sheen is in any condition to have a competent debate with toddlers (no offense to toddlers BTW).

so? a guy can dream, can't he?
Absolutely!

[dudalb]

The Skeptic's Guide Gang ripped Sheen a new one in the Sep.12th Podcast.

[Orphia Nay]

The Skeptic's Guide Gang ripped Sheen a new one in the Sep.12th Podcast.

Thanks for the heads-up! I just downloaded it.

[911kongen]

The Skeptic's Guide Gang ripped Sheen a new one in the Sep.12th Podcast.

why cant i find this?

[triforcharity]

Try here.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/

BTW, 10 seconds is all it took for me to find it on google. Just FYI. Google is your friend.

[DGM]

I don't care who bill smith is, claims to be, or wants to be. I want Charlie Sheen to get me on Larry King.
Maybe you should call Larry and ask him about it. I bet it's the first he's heard of it (truthers).:o

[Orphia Nay]

Try here.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/

BTW, 10 seconds is all it took for me to find it on google. Just FYI. Google is your friend.

It's also available on iTunes.

The segment was pretty funny, and it was nice to know that each SGU podcast gets around 65,000 downloads.

[JamesB]

Hey, I got to debate Jason Bermas, Charlie Sheen is next!

[triforcharity]

James,

So you yelled at a brick wall for some period of time and named it Bermas??

[NoZed Avenger]

I will so do this.

I can't believe more people aren't jumping at the opportunity to just be near Ch-

Wait. Sheen? I thought it was Charlie Laine.


Nevermind.