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LightinDarkness
15th September 2009, 04:55 PM
So I've been following the media frenzy up to Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol" to see if the media would embrace the conspiracy lunacy to get the ratings. The general publics failure to grasp that the DaVinci code was FICTIONAL as is "The Lost Symbol" could lead to a spread of conspiracy propaganda that would be embraced among the general population, which was concerning.

I have to say that, overall, I have been pleasantly surprised. Although there were a few members of the media that really exploited this (like the history channel), overall the amount of reasonable discussion and pointing out that this is a fictional book and has no basis in reality has been refreshing.

In an AP interview Dan Brown appears to indicate he took the high road -

Brown's research for "The Da Vinci Code" was highly criticized by some Catholics for suggesting that Jesus and Mary Magdalene conceived a child and for portraying Opus Dei — the conservative religious order — as a murderous, power-hungry sect.

The Mason response could well be milder. Brown goes out of his way in "The Lost Symbol" to present the lodge as essentially benign and misunderstood. Masons are praised for their religious tolerance and their elaborate rituals are seen as no more unusual than those of formal religions. The plot centers in part on an "unfair" anti-Masonic video that "conspiracy theorists would feed on ... like sharks," Langdon says.

"I have enormous respect for the Masons," Brown told The Associated Press during a recent interview. "In the most fundamental terms, with different cultures killing each other over whose version of God is correct, here is a worldwide organization that essentially says, `We don't care what you call God, or what you think about God, only that you believe in a god and let's all stand together as brothers and look in the same direction.'

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112840436

I have the book but won't have time to read it for a while, but it LOOKS like what hes done is made freemasonry look good and might show the damage that conspiracy theorists can do to otherwise benign organizations.

Of course, any flattery he gives to freemasonry is probably also going to be undeserved, but I thought it would be a hit job book because having evil freemasons be at the center would create lots of publicity and conspiracy theorists would eat it up. Angelic freemasons acting as forces for goid against nefarious plots is any better, but hopefully he does not go that far.

Reading the comments on the media sites is also rather interesting. Although your typical anti-masonic evangelical is there preaching to the sheeple that masons are satanists, they seem to be in the minority. Perhaps things will kick up later when more people have read the book, but for NOW it looks like this is going to be a loss for conspiracy theorists.

Checkmite
20th September 2009, 01:49 PM
I have the book but won't have time to read it for a while, but it LOOKS like what hes done is made freemasonry look good and might show the damage that conspiracy theorists can do to otherwise benign organizations.

It will not. Historically, Freemasonry and the Catholic Church have not been the best of friends; this is known amongst conspiracy theorists, and the fact that Dan Brown so "criticized" the Church and yet is being incredibly friendly towards the Lodge will certainly inspire no small amount of rumor-mongering.

GlennB
20th September 2009, 03:10 PM
Although your typical anti-masonic evangelical is there preaching to the sheeple that masons are satanists, they seem to be in the minority.

That's a worrying sentence in an otherwise carefully-worded post :D

eta: my bolding

LightinDarkness
20th September 2009, 03:53 PM
It will not. Historically, Freemasonry and the Catholic Church have not been the best of friends; this is known amongst conspiracy theorists, and the fact that Dan Brown so "criticized" the Church and yet is being incredibly friendly towards the Lodge will certainly inspire no small amount of rumor-mongering.

This is an interesting point. I have not updated the post because I haven't had time to read the entire book yet, but if he plays the Catholic/Freemason thing up then you could very well be right.

Of course historically there is a some truth here. On the one hand, the relationship between Freemasons and Catholics has never had a problem, since there is nothing in the fraternity that would cause Freemasons to have a problem with Catholics. But some of the leaders of the church, on the other hand, seem to have had a historical problem with freemasonry.

LightinDarkness
20th September 2009, 03:54 PM
That's a worrying sentence in an otherwise carefully-worded post :D

eta: my bolding

What is worry about this? Maybe I am missing something. Its just my personal observation, but it just seems that the bulk of anti-masonry comes from the way out there evangelicals that think masons are satanists. And they do take on the almost CT like attitude that all those who do not agree are simply brainwashed sheeple.

joe911
20th September 2009, 05:14 PM
"I have enormous respect for the Masons," Brown told The Associated Press

That quote will be enough for conspiracy theorists. Most wont even read the book because [alex jones voice] "he openly admits he respects these owl worshiping creatures" [/AJ Voice] That must mean "he is in on it" in the cts mind.

I have it as an ebook,will read it this week :)

dropzone
20th September 2009, 08:22 PM
From my indirect exposure to the process, it takes a surprisingly low number of sales to shoot to #1 in the hardcover bestsellers. What gets you Number One is sales in the low thousands, and all you need is legs enough to keep selling surprisingly poorly until the paperbacks kick in.

Arus808
20th September 2009, 08:42 PM
im currently reading the book and finding it a pleasant read. will "update" when I"ve finished.

dropzone
20th September 2009, 11:14 PM
It's been most of a week since it was released and still no uproar. The fans of his last tome may have been distracted by other things, but I cannot imagine what. I do not believe Dan Brown has hit the 15-minute limit, but I know that writers of bestsellers eventually reach a point where their books sell very well, but most nobody goes insane over them.

(Bestsellers I was associated with: First peaked at #4 in New York but #1 in London. Second peaked at #1 in both. Third hit #1 in London, but only #2 in New York.)

Arus808
21st September 2009, 07:42 PM
Just finished the book (dove right into it on my flight back from Atlanta). Im not sure if this is going to cause the uproar that Da Vinci Code had, but it really delves into the "false" history of DC with a touch of truth.






Having never been to Washington D.C. , im not familiar with many of the landmarks he uses in the book, but its interesting how he tied a lot of things together, in his version of history.


give it a quick read for some entertainment. It does touch upon some scientific mumbo jumbo that is supposed to tie into spirituality and beliefs

fitzgibbon
21st September 2009, 08:07 PM
Just started reading it this evening. Damn prose is deadly. Hopefully it gets better

Audible Click
21st September 2009, 10:46 PM
I finished it the day it was released. It was an ok novel, better IMO then "The DaVinci Code" and I think it will be less controversial.

Checkmite
22nd September 2009, 05:17 AM
"I have enormous respect for the Masons," Brown told The Associated Press

That quote will be enough for conspiracy theorists.

Indeed. It just occurred to me that so would LiD's starting a thread in the JREF forum asking if WE have dodged conspiracy hysteria, implying the JREF is a bunch of Masons! :biggrin:

joe911
26th September 2009, 05:29 PM
Here you go skeptics,a whole 3 pages of pointless [non] dot connecting;
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83452

LightinDarkness
27th September 2009, 07:02 AM
Indeed. It just occurred to me that so would LiD's starting a thread in the JREF forum asking if WE have dodged conspiracy hysteria, implying the JREF is a bunch of Masons! :biggrin:

GASP...you connected the dots! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you darn Truth Seekers :D

LightinDarkness
27th September 2009, 07:03 AM
Here you go skeptics,a whole 3 pages of pointless [non] dot connecting;
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83452

Now THAT was an amusing read. What exactly is it with David Icke forum posters and Lucifer worship? Its like anything they have been told to fear by David Icke is immediately involved in Lucifer worship. The queen worships Lucifer, freemasons worship lucifer, etc. They do such a good job of making themselves look like total nutters you almost have to wonder if they really believe it all.