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Biscuit
18th September 2009, 04:15 PM
I was sent this by a friend of mine. I told him it was silly and he said eveyone keeps saying that but no one backs it up and that this it what is "going down." Sorry for its length. You may have seen this posted elsewhere.

MOST OF ALL OF THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

What would you say if I gave you 11 reasons why the elections
in 2010 will be the most important in the history of the United States ?


1. What if I had told you in October 2008, before the last
presidential election, that before Barack Obama's first 100 days in office, the
federal government would be in control of both the mortgage and
the banking industries? That 19 of America 's largest banks would
be forced to undergo stress tests by the federal government which would
determine if they were insufficiently capitalized, so they must be
supervised by the government?

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America ."


2. What if I had told you that within Barack Obama's first 100
days in office the federal government would be the largest shareholder
in the US Big-Three automakers: GM, and Chrysler? That the government
would kick out the CEO's of these companies and appoint hand-picked
executives with zero experience in the auto industry and that
executive compensation would be determined, not by a Board of Directors,
but by the government?

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"


3. What if I had told you that Barack Obama would appoint 32
Czars, without congressional approval, accountable only to him, not to
the voters, who would have control over a wide range of US policy
decisions. That there would be a Stimulus Accountability Czar,
an Urban Czar, a Compensation Czar, an Iran Czar, an Auto Industry Czar,
a Cyber Security Czar, an Energy Czar, a Bank Bailout Czar, and more
than a dozen other government bureaucrats with unchecked regulatory
powers over US domestic and foreign policy.

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"

4. What if I had told you that the federal deficit would be $915
billion in the first six months of the Obama presidency - with a
projected annual deficit of $1.75 trillion - triple the $454.8
billion in 2008, for which the previous administration was highly
criticized by Obama and his fellow Democrats. That congress would pass
Obama's $3.53 trillion federal budget for fiscal 2010... That the projected
deficit over the next ten years would be greater than $10 trillion.

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"

5.. What if I had told you that the Obama Justice Department would
order FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high-value detainees
captured on the battlefield and held at US military detention
facilities in Afghanistan . That Obama would order the closing
of the Guantanamo detention facility with no plan for the disposition
of the 200-plus individuals held there. That several of the suspected
terrorists at Guantanamo would be sent to live in freedom in
Bermuda at the expense of the US government. That our returning US
veterans would be labeled terrorists and put on a watch list. That Obama
would prosecute CIA operatives for keeping Americans safe from
terrorists?

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"

6. What if I had told you that the federal government would
seek powers to seize key companies whose failures could jeopardize the
financial system. That a new regulatory agency would be proposed by Obama to control loans, credit cards, mortgage-backed securities, and other
financial products offered to the public.

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !!"

7. What if I had told you that Obama would travel to the Middle
East, bow before the Saudi king, and repeatedly apologize for America
's past actions. That he would travel to Latin America where he would
warmly greet Venezuela 's strongman Hugo Chavez and sit passively in the
audience while Nicaraguan Marxist thug Daniel Ortega charged
America with terrorist aggression in Central America .

Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !!"

8. Okay, now what if I were to tell you that Obama wants to
dismantle conservative talk radio through the imposition of a new "Fairness
Doctrine." That he wants to curtail the First Amendment rights
of those who may disagree with his policies via internet blogs, cable news
networks, or advocacy ads. That most major network television
and most newspapers will only sing his phrases like state-run media in
communist countries?

Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !!!"

9. What if I were to tell you that the Obama Justice Department is
doing everything it can to limit your Second Amendment rights
to keep and bear arms. That the federal government wants to reinstate the
so-called assault weapons ban which would prohibit the sale of
any type of firearm that doesn't require the shooter to pull the trigger
every time a round is fired. That Obama's Attorney General wants to
eliminate the sale of virtually all handguns and ammunition, which most
citizens choose for self-defense.

Would you say, "C'mon,that will never happen in America !!!"

10. What if I were to tell you that the Obama plan is to eliminate
states rights guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment and give the
federal government sweeping new powers over policies currently under the
province of local and state governments and voted on by the
people. That Obama plans to control the schools, energy production, the
environment, health care, and the wealth of every US citizen.

Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"

11.. What if I were to tell you that the president, the courts,
and the federal government have ignored the US Constitution and have
seized powers which the founders of our country fought to restrict.
That our last presidential election may have been our last truly free
election for some time to come.

I know, I know what you will say. "That will never happen in
America !"

I made an effort at dispelling the first three but got tired and asked myself, "why on earth am I wasting time trying to debunk and anonymous email with no sources for its 'facts'?"

I googled it and found it attributed to everyone from Ron Paul to some guy named Eric Faust. Does anyone know who the author is? Anyone have any interest in 'debunking' one or more of these? I have good responses for the first three that I will post later.

I emailed factcheck.org and will post their response if I get one. With number 11 I assume the author(s) are refering to the previous president.:D

oldhat
18th September 2009, 04:53 PM
Send it to Snopes. Not like it will make a difference to 95% of the people who read it.

Biscuit
19th September 2009, 03:33 PM
The more I read this the more absurd it gets. By number 5 it is just stupid.

The author(s) aren't exactly lying but they are exaggerating everything, leaving out key information, and stating everything as if it were a large conspiracy.

They completely ignore the circumstances around which certain things were done, like the loans to the car companies, and ignore prior precedent when it comes to things like the Czars.

I like in #2 how they state that Obama has placed people in charge of GM and Chrysler that have no experience in the auto industry. It just so happens that Ford's Bill Ford picked their new CEO, Allan Mullally, who has zero experience in the car industry.

Brainster
19th September 2009, 03:56 PM
The usual hysteria from the party out of power. I suppose it is useful for rallying the faithful, but seriously... the last "truly free" elections in America? That's as laughable now as it was during the previous eight years when a fair number of liberals hyperventilated about fascism coming to America.

Childlike Empress
19th September 2009, 04:40 PM
That's a quite poisonous chain mail. Professional Propaganda. Notice how he switches after point seven from "What if I had told you" to "what if I were to tell you". The first seven points are spinned facts, the following points are vague allegations, both building on the prejudices and fears of the intended misinformed audience.

Klimaxes in patriotism ejaculation.

Ladewig
19th September 2009, 04:52 PM
What if I were to tell you that the Obama Justice Department is
doing everything it can to limit your Second Amendment rights
to keep and bear arms.

If that's true, then the Justice Department must be an unparalleled collection of toothless, ineffectual liberals. It is doing "everything it can" to eliminate guns and has yet to prevent the sale of a single firearm.

Mojo
19th September 2009, 05:04 PM
I googled it and found it attributed to everyone from Ron Paul to some guy named Eric Faust.


Eric Faust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_(novel))?

Dr Adequate
19th September 2009, 05:12 PM
When someone's that stupid, the thing to do is to take financial advantage of his credulity. Bet him large sums of money that, after a stated period of time, let's say at the end of Obama's first term, his lunatic fantasies will not have come to pass. See if you can entice him into making it a multiplier bet.

Biscuit
20th September 2009, 01:18 PM
When someone's that stupid, the thing to do is to take financial advantage of his credulity. Bet him large sums of money that, after a stated period of time, let's say at the end of Obama's first term, his lunatic fantasies will not have come to pass. See if you can entice him into making it a multiplier bet.

He is a good friend of mine and someone I respect. I haven't heard back from him yet but if he insists then I will most definitely make him put his money where his mouth is.

Biscuit
20th September 2009, 01:19 PM
That's a quite poisonous chain mail. Professional Propaganda. Notice how he switches after point seven from "What if I had told you" to "what if I were to tell you".

Thats a really good point that I missed out on. I still want to know who the author of this dribble is. I would not be surprised if it came from a white separatist group or something.