Evidence for why we know A. A. Milne told the truth

[Safe-Keeper]

In the "Do Most Atheists know that Science..." thread I mentioned Norman Guzzler and Frank Turok's book called "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Amilneist" a few times because of its clear explanations of scientific theories. But, yes, they did talk about more than science!

In chapter 11 of their book they give the top 10 reasons we know Winnie the Pooh's writer told the truth. I'll mention some of those reasons and maybe expound on them as time permits.

Reason #1

A. A. Milne included embarrassing details about both his Alter Ego in the book. For example, he portrays himself dragging poor Winnie the Pooh after him down a flight of stairs, to the latter's understandable discomfort.

Reason #2

A. A. Milne Included Embarrassing Details and Difficult Sayings of Winnie.

For example in one passage Winnie is portrayed as a glutton, and in another he found himself stuck in the entrance to Rabbit's hole after consuming so enough honey to build up an internal fat depot that rendered him unable to get through.

Reason #3

The NT Writers Left in Very Demanding Sayings of Jesus.

For example: (Matthew 5:28) "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart".

And (Matt. 5:44-45) "I tell you Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...

As the book says "They certainly didn't make up a story that made life easier for themselves."

Reason #4

A. A. Milne Describes Miracles Like Other Historical Events: With Simple, Unembellished Accounts.

For example, he speaks of how various animals pig are attacked by tigers without the latter causing him any harm. He has a donkey build himself a house out of twigs. He describes how the various animals are able to speak English to each others.

[Ragnarok]

* subscribes to thread and waits eagerly *

[Safe-Keeper]

You seem to not take this seriously enough. What about the fact that I, with my 3,748 posts on these forums, take this seriously? Do you really think that A. A. Milne's story, one of the most successful tales of our time with millions of readers, could be nothing but a work of fiction?

[Ragnarok]

Some people take Morris Dancing seriously - I'm yet to be convinced! ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

Do you see anyone seriously defending Morris Dancing? I, on the other hand, have made two posts in this thread already, and so have you. Obviously there is a clear difference in credibility here.

[Professor Yaffle]

Why mention such an anti-semitic practice as morris dancing in this thread???

[Lothian]

Archaeologists have found this bridge exactly where it was described to be.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wandering/DIARY/Photos/Pooh-Sticks%20Bridge2.JPG

The rest of the book must therefore be true.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

To Canadians it is an article of faith that Winnie was real.

www.just-pooh.com/history.html (http://www.just-pooh.com/history.html)

[Ragnarok]

Why mention such an anti-semitic practice as morris dancing in this thread???

Someone has to give them a mention - they are a dying breed!

[Ragnarok]

Do you see anyone seriously defending Morris Dancing? I, on the other hand, have made two posts in this thread already, and so have you. Obviously there is a clear difference in credibility here.

Why don't you show us #'s 5 to 10, that might just swing it for you?

[Safe-Keeper]

(actually, if you look at DOC's post, it lists only the points 1, 2 and 3, and then 9 and 10. I stole the points from his OP, and had to cut #10).

[RoboTimbo]

Millions of children have stuffed teddy bears they have named "Pooh". Would millions of children have stuffed teddy bears named "Pooh" if they didn't believe the story to be true?

The latin translation is the only latin translation of any book ever to have appeared on the New York Times best seller list and that only two years after it was first published in English. Therefore it must be true.

[dropzone]

Someone has to give them a mention - they are a dying breed!Heard a sad story a couple years back. Seems some Morris Dancing groups had begun to admit women to keep the group large enough. One disappointed fellow said the whole point of Morris Dancing was to get drunk someplace your wife was not allowed. :(

[Elizabeth I]

I believe that in the holy book, it's spelled "hunny," at least on Pooh's hunny jar.

Oh, yeah, there really is a place called England, so the books must be true.

And what about this?

They're changing guard at Buckingham Palace.
Christopher Robin went down with Alice.
Alice is marrying one of the guard.
"A soldier's life is terrible hard," says Alice.

There really are a Buckingham Palace, a changing of the guard, and soldiers! I myself have seen all three. I know that's only anecdotal evidence, but at least it's first-hand anecdotal evidence.

[Floyt]

I need to confess that whenever I look at Safe-Keepers avatar, there is a better than even chance that I will be seeing a portrait shot of a Californian Condor

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/10624ab5c09d21e2d.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17615)

which then will do the perception-toggle thingy (old woman, young woman) into the dog in a life-vest. It is highly disconcerting.

Whew, it's good to have that off my chest though! :relieved:

[fuelair]

Do you see anyone seriously defending Morris Dancing? I, on the other hand, have made two posts in this thread already, and so have you. Obviously there is a clear difference in credibility here.

Why does Morris dance anyway?:confused:

[fuelair]

And, is Pooh's name Edwards? Is that really his real name? If not, why does he live under it? Is he using an alias? Is he trying to avoid being on the Sex Offender List in the Woods? Just asking questions, you know!

[Kapyong]

Gday all,

There are well over a dozen posts in this thread !
And incredibly, some posters have MULTIPLE posts !!!

That clearly and conclusively proves A.A. Milne told the truth.


K.

[StevenCalder]

Hmm I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

We should really wait 100-200 years till the books have been retranslated, retold in different formats and whole new storys added in. Then we can hold a meeting to decide which elements of the pooh story are canon and which are heresy. That will add an air of credibility to the proceedings!

[Akhenaten]

Gday all,

There are well over a dozen posts in this thread !
And incredibly, some posters have MULTIPLE posts !!!

That clearly and conclusively proves A.A. Milne told the truth.


K.


My second post, quoted here, proves that A. A. Milne told the truth.

A. A. Milne told the truth.


By the rules of Circular Logic™, and in view of my two posts in this thread, I declare myself the winner.

[Akhenaten]

A. A. Milne told the truth.

[lionking]

I'm convinced. Where do I join up?

[zooterkin]

Archaeologists have found this bridge exactly where it was described to be.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wandering/DIARY/Photos/Pooh-Sticks%20Bridge2.JPG

The rest of the book must therefore be true.

I have been to that bridge, and I have played pooh sticks on it, so how can there be any doubt?

[Wally]

Some of the most moving experiences in my life have involved Pooh.

[dafydd]

Where is Doc when you need him?

[AWPrime]

Where is Doc when you need him?
Increasing his post count in his own threads.

[fuelair]

Where is Doc when you need him?

When do you need Doc? I haven't found any real use for him/her/it.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

When do you need Doc? I haven't found any real use for him/her/it.

A foot rest? :duck:

[fuelair]

That could work!!!

[wollery]

Disney Pooh is heresy! :mad:

The Milne/Shepard Pooh is the only true Pooh. :clap:



Disney Pooh is a sham.

Denounce sham Pooh!

[Hokulele]

Denounce sham Pooh!


*Wap*

[wollery]

*Wap*Thanks, I needed that.

[RoboTimbo]

We were at a Disney store today at the mall. While there were plenty of Tiggers and Piglets, the large stuffed Poohs were sold out. Would the large stuffed Poohs have been sold out if A. A. Milne hadn't told the truth?

This is a new kind of logic that I refer to as DOgic.

ETA: my two posts in this thread also testify to my veracity.

[fuelair]

We were at a Disney store today at the mall. While there were plenty of Tiggers and Piglets, the large stuffed Poohs were sold out. Would the large stuffed Poohs have been sold out if A. A. Milne hadn't told the truth?

This is a new kind of logic that I refer to as DOgic.

ETA: my two posts in this thread also testify to my veracity.

I prefer to think of it as Pooh Logic - Logic that is full of .......Pooh.

[joobz]

Just for the record, the texts of our current Pooh is near exact to the original transcripts. Unlike other books, we actually have first printings of the Pooh and are therefore completely confident in the author's true words.

[wollery]

Just for the record, the texts of our current Pooh is near exact to the original transcripts. Unlike other books, we actually have first printings of the Pooh and are therefore completely confident in the author's true words.And again we see the heresy of Disney Pooh, extrapolating wildly on the original, making up fantastical stories about the great one, and even adding a new disciple! :eek:

Do these people have no respect for historical accuracy? :mad:

[zooterkin]

Just for the record, the texts of our current Pooh is near exact to the original transcripts. Unlike other books, we actually have first printings of the Pooh and are therefore completely confident in the author's true words.

Not only that, but autograph manuscripts (http://www.ilab.org/db/detail.php?membernr=1815&ordernr=8000401), too.

[fuelair]

Not only that, but autograph manuscripts (http://www.ilab.org/db/detail.php?membernr=1815&ordernr=8000401), too. and, quick searching suggests that it may be a bargain at $135.00 as only other copy I located immediately was $175.00

[quarky]

How does the sad donkey fit?

[wollery]

How does the sad donkey fit?
Well, he sort of rolls around on his back kicking his feet in the air.

[Lothian]

How does the sad donkey fit?4. The New Testament Writers AA Milne carefully distinguished Jesus' Eeyore's words from their his own.

It must therefore be true.

[fuelair]

I am an Eeyorite!!

[pgwenthold]

Archeologists continue to search for signs that say, "Saunders" and "Trespassers Will" that would indicate the location of Pooh and Piglet's houses.

However, census records do fail to reveal anyone by the name "Trespassers William" in that area.

[headscratcher4]

Millions of children have stuffed teddy bears they have named "Pooh". Would millions of children have stuffed teddy bears named "Pooh" if they didn't believe the story to be true?

.

More to the point, millions of children have millions of bowel movements that they call ....

Oh bother, said pooh, I can't believe I went there.

[quarky]

4. The New Testament Writers AA Milne carefully distinguished Jesus' Eeyore's words from their his own.

It must therefore be true.

I wrote 'sad donkey' because I knew I wouldn't be able to spell Eeyore.

btw, didn't Milne write some other stuff with a different name?
Who am I thinking of?

[wollery]

I wrote 'sad donkey' because I knew I wouldn't be able to spell Eeyore.

btw, didn't Milne write some other stuff with a different name?
Who am I thinking of?He wrote quite a lot of stuff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._Milne#Works

[paximperium]

The one true, truth of Pooh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Taopooh.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taopooh.jpg

[pgwenthold]

I wrote 'sad donkey' because I knew I wouldn't be able to spell Eeyore.

btw, didn't Milne write some other stuff with a different name?
Who am I thinking of?

You could be thinking of L Frank Baum, who wrote the Wizard of Oz. He also wrote the Aunt Jane's Nieces series, under the name Edith van Dyne, I think (Edith van Dyne was one of his pseudonyms), among others.

[Alareth]

The one true, truth of Pooh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Taopooh.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taopooh.jpg


Don't forget The Te of Piglet

[leonAzul]

The one true, truth of Pooh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Taopooh.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taopooh.jpg


Don't forget The Te of Piglet

…and the Ching of Cha-

:duck:

[pakeha]

Brillliant thread.

I followed the link to Wiki and found this:
His best known comment on the subject was recalled on his death:

"The Old Testament is responsible for more atheism, agnosticism, disbelief — call it what you will — than any book ever written; it has emptied more churches than all the counterattractions of cinema, motor bicycle and golf course." [15]

[quarky]

He wrote quite a lot of stuff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._Milne#Works

There was a writer named something like "Saki" ; wrote weird, twilight zone-like stories. Heard them in grade school in the 50's; thought he was Milne.

I better do some googling.

[zooterkin]

There was a writer named something like "Saki" ; wrote weird, twilight zone-like stories. Heard them in grade school in the 50's; thought he was Milne.

I better do some googling.

H.H. Monroe, or Munro, from memory. Yes, wonderful short stories, not sure they're that suitable for young children, though I think I was pretty young when I read them.

ETA: H.H. Munro. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saki. "(He) himself influenced A. A. Milne, Noël Coward, and P. G. Wodehouse."

[quarky]

Yup. That's who i was trying to recall. Thanks.
Odd that the wiki link didn't mention his kid's books. I recall some very simple books, with drawings, for kids, by HHM