Where are all the conspiracy theory skeptics?

[grandthefttoaster]

Something that I noticed is that there seems to be a disproportionatly smaller number of skeptics focusing on conspiracy theories than talking about paranormal and psuedoscience stuff. I don't mean people on these forums, I mean people like Randi who write books and do podcasts and blogs ect. For example, every time some creationist farts practically, the skeptics discuss it. The conspiracy that does get the most attention is 9/11, but still it seems to mainly be a dedicated group of debunkers, and not as many big names like Randi. And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

[Hokulele]

I would say the Apollo Hoax conspiracy theory gets far more attention than 9/11.

[Caustic Logic]

I would say the Apollo Hoax conspiracy theory gets far more attention than 9/11.

At the moment/recently, perhaps so. And both get far more attention than, say, Pan Am 103.

[grandthefttoaster]

Yeah the Apollo conspiracy gets a lot of attention because it uses pseudoscience, so science guys like Phil Plait feel the need to talk about it. But what is interesting is that there are only a handfull of books and videos that promote the Apollo CT, but it gets more skeptical attention then all of this NWO type stuff that is promoted by a million Alex Jones clones.

[Travis]

Some skeptics consider conspiracy theories to be so "out there" and "wacky" that they don't bother with them. Others of us are just masochists.

[Debaser]

Some skeptics consider conspiracy theories to be so "out there" and "wacky" that they don't bother with them. Others of us are just masochists.

As a long-time lurker (or 'viewer' as one CTer used to put it) there was/is always an element of the car-crash about these encounters. They may be painful and gruesome for the participants but watching on it's fascinating seeing the workings of a CT mind being laid out.

Lord knows I'm probably as sceptical of politicians actions as one of 'them', the difference being my experiences of human behaviour lead me to subscribe to 'Hanlon's Razor';

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.



The British comedian Ben Elton used to have a phrase for people, 'Farties'. People who try to project an air of confidence and calm, but who are costantly undone by virtue of being human. I apply this state of being to the entire human race.

[MysteryMammal]

Something that I noticed is that there seems to be a disproportionatly smaller number of skeptics focusing on conspiracy theories than talking about paranormal and psuedoscience stuff. I don't mean people on these forums, I mean people like Randi who write books and do podcasts and blogs ect. For example, every time some creationist farts practically, the skeptics discuss it. The conspiracy that does get the most attention is 9/11, but still it seems to mainly be a dedicated group of debunkers, and not as many big names like Randi. And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

It depends what you mean by "big names". I'm fairly new to the 9/11 debunking, but it seems that there are some big names in the game. Gravy, R.MacKey, etc. are names that are tossed around often.

As for chemtrails, that stuff is so silly and has been so thoroughly debunked I don't think anyone pays much attention to it. I was reading a thread over at ATS where one guy was single-handedly shooting down everything the chemheads tossed his way. On ATS, for crying out loud. It was bee-yoo-tee-ful.

As for NWO conspiracies: If someone could point to more than the whack-a-doodle Georgia Guidestones and other silly crap, I'd take a shot at debunking them. But it's really hard to convince a paranoid mind that a bunch of random crap isn't the "proof" that reptilian aliens control the world.

As for microchips: My dog's chipped. I guess I'm in on that conspiracy, so no one would listen to anything I say about it. :rolleyes:

You'll also find that skeptics gravitate towards their interests and expertise. There are not many physicians surgeons and other health professionals that could lend their years of training and experience to engineering issues like 9/11. They also seem to have a tendency to try to protect their existing or potential patients by giving pseudo-medicine a thorough debunking. Strangely enough, doctors seem to want people to be healthy. Now, if you can come up with a conspiracy theory about how the Trade Center buildings were destroyed by an engineered strain of herpes, I think you'd find the doctors of these forums hopping all over it.

[TheDaver]

I think it’s because CTs are so strongly driven by hate, that they’re so much more difficult to convince of even the simplest and most obvious facts, which makes trying to educate them an exercise in futility.

[grandthefttoaster]

Well I guess some people probably think that it is no use trying to convince CTs because crazy people believe in them. But in the last 10 years they have become huge, and turned into a sort of religion. Even mainstream sources like the History Channel promote them now.

[Mr.D]

And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

That's 'cause the skeptics are in on it! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

:rolleyes:

[Horatius]

Well I guess some people probably think that it is no use trying to convince CTs because crazy people believe in them. But in the last 10 years they have become huge, and turned into a sort of religion. Even mainstream sources like the History Channel promote them now.



Well, they've certainly grown in the last ten years, but I still wouldn't say they're "huge", in comparison to other woo the Big Name Skeptics fight against.

The OP mentions Creationism as one type of woo that gets more attention. That's largely a function of them deserving more attention. The day some CT theorist convinces a large state like Texas to edit its textbooks to reflect CT beliefs, that's the day you'll see James Randi et al. react to them the way they react to the Creationists.

Also, compare the one or two mentions the Truthers have had from a b-grade celebrity like Rosie O'Donnell, to the weekly parade of psychics on shows like Montel Williams and Oprah.

It's all about choosing your battles.

[Dave Rogers]

Something that I noticed is that there seems to be a disproportionatly smaller number of skeptics focusing on conspiracy theories than talking about paranormal and psuedoscience stuff. I don't mean people on these forums, I mean people like Randi who write books and do podcasts and blogs ect. For example, every time some creationist farts practically, the skeptics discuss it. The conspiracy that does get the most attention is 9/11, but still it seems to mainly be a dedicated group of debunkers, and not as many big names like Randi. And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

I would guess that it's because conspiracy theories have such a negligible effect on most people's lives. Quack medicine practitioners take money from the gullible while crippling and killing them. Psychics take money from the gullible while falsely raising their hopes and playing on their fears. And creationists are quite openly trying to degrade the quality of education in their countries, threatening long term degradation in the nation's ability to compete on the world employment market and, ultimately, in its standard of living. Conspiracy theorists sell books to other conspiracy theorists, and little else. If they ever achieved anything, there might be a little more concern, but since most conspiracy theorists regard other conspiracy theorists as part of the conspiracy, they tend not to combine their efforts and hence remain irrelevant and marginalised. In effect, few people are fighting this battle because it rarely needs much fighting.

Dave

[dropzone]

In effect, few people are fighting this battle because it rarely needs much fighting.But day-AM, it's fun to watch!

[Travis]

I think it’s because CTs are so strongly driven by hate, that they’re so much more difficult to convince of even the simplest and most obvious facts, which makes trying to educate them an exercise in futility.

I think there's truth to this. I've noticed how Conspiracy Theorists, more than other woo peddlers, are so quick to temper when presented with any counter to their arguments. Look at our long list of now banned Conspiracy advocates as evidence that in an arena of intellectual discussion they blow it just about every damned time* and quickly degenerate into a Tasmanian Devil of insults, swearing and vitriolic condemnation.



*There are some exceptions to this, Jihadjane is usually civil, for example.

[Red3]

I think one of the points is because a lot of paranormal/new age/Alt health stuff can be disproved by science, how do you disprove a conspiracy like the NWO?

[Sunray Breaker]

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Something that I noticed is that there seems to be a disproportionatly smaller number of skeptics focusing on conspiracy theories than talking about paranormal and psuedoscience stuff. I don't mean people on these forums, I mean people like Randi who write books and do podcasts and blogs ect. For example, every time some creationist farts practically, the skeptics discuss it. The conspiracy that does get the most attention is 9/11, but still it seems to mainly be a dedicated group of debunkers, and not as many big names like Randi. And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

I have to agree here...I've noticed that out of all the woo out there, 9/11 seems to be one of the worst. I noticed just last night, I brought up the research I had been doing regarding 9/11 and out of 10 different people I talked to, more than half of them supported the woo version of reality...

I don't think the skeptics have pushed their two cents into the limelight enough to give these people a serious mainstream opposition to distract them. I just heard that Loose Change: An American Coup will be getting a major distibutor and the madness is about to spread like wild fires...

So I hope to see the skeptics get together and make their own film or start holding more lectures or releasing more books, to counter this outrageous movement. Screw Loose Change is quite old at this point, and there's so much NEW BS woo they keep digging up, it needs a remedy.

[Red3]

911 is a problem; a lot of the evidence used to debunk it is "sciency" and most peoples' scientific education is pretty bad. You get some self appointed expert saying a plane can't bring down a tower of that size blah blah blah, and then showing a video of a tennis ball hitting a dog or some such crap to prove it, and that's easier for a lot of people to understand than the basic physics that debunks the CT version. Sad but true. Plus a lot of people want there to be a conspiracy, it's a bit of drama in their dull lives! Because international terrorism isn't enough.

[grandthefttoaster]

I think one of the points is because a lot of paranormal/new age/Alt health stuff can be disproved by science, how do you disprove a conspiracy like the NWO?

Pseudoscience is countered by real science, so pseudohistory should be countered by real history. When conspiracy theorists claim something about the Rockefellers or whatever, they often use information that is distorted or wrong. Showing what really happened might not be enough to disprove the NWO, ect. but it will cast doubt on it.

[Ignorantbystander]

Pseudoscience is countered by real science, so pseudohistory should be countered by real history. When conspiracy theorists claim something about the Rockefellers or whatever, they often use information that is distorted or wrong. Showing what really happened might not be enough to disprove the NWO, ect. but it will cast doubt on it.

Not for a true CT. They seem to think that wrong or distorted information on their side is allowed to counter the wrong/distorted information provided by the MSM/NWO/government/Jews.
That's why it's so tiresome to debate them.

[grandthefttoaster]

Not for a true CT. They seem to think that wrong or distorted information on their side is allowed to counter the wrong/distorted information provided by the MSM/NWO/government/Jews.
That's why it's so tiresome to debate them.

That seems like a bad attitude to have, you could also say "well what good does it do to refute creationists, they will never change their minds."

If you can't convince the true believers of something, who cares, at least you can get the information out there. I was a semi-believer in the Apollo Hoax conspiracy for about a day, until I found Bad Astronomy. When I heard about 9/11 conspiracies, I knew better this time, but it was still important that I could read stuff like 911myths. See, there are people who hear about these ideas and want to see the other side of the story. But for many of the conspiracies that are becoming popular, there isn't as much information as there is for other "woo".

Someone else pointed out that creationism is more important because people are trying to push it into schools and government. A good point, but conspiracies could also affect politics. In order to have an educated opinion on politics, people need to know what the truth is, and not worry about NWO and Federal Reserve crap.

[Ignorantbystander]

I wasn't saying that it's of no use to debate them (and sometimes it's even fun).
Otherwise I wouldn't be here.

[Subliminal]

911 is a problem; a lot of the evidence used to debunk it is "sciency" and most peoples' scientific education is pretty bad. You get some self appointed expert saying a plane can't bring down a tower of that size blah blah blah, and then showing a video of a tennis ball hitting a dog or some such crap to prove it, and that's easier for a lot of people to understand than the basic physics that debunks the CT version. Sad but true. Plus a lot of people want there to be a conspiracy, it's a bit of drama in their dull lives! Because international terrorism isn't enough.

Hahahahaha! If it was international terrorism.

There would have been more to come after...but oh what a surprise, not a peep.

[Brainache]

Hahahahaha! If it was international terrorism.

There would have been more to come after...but oh what a surprise, not a peep.

London? Bali? Madrid?...

Do you ever watch the news or read a newspaper or do you get all your "facts" from PrisonPlanet?

[atavisms]

London? Bali? Madrid?...

Do you ever watch the news or read a newspaper or do you get all your "facts" from PrisonPlanet?

I think he meant, major attacks like 9/11 in the states.
You know, killing thousands of Americans in their offices at breakfast time
in major US cities. attacking highly secured buildings and toppling three of them in Manhattan with two plane impacts.
(actually 2 were shredded . one was toppled) Paralyzing our multi-trillion dollar military for almost 2 hours, defying a number of the laws of physics, etc/ just a thought.. Not that that is a good argument.
Unfortunately there are better ones for 9/11

[grandthefttoaster]

I think he meant, major attacks like 9/11 in the states.
You know, killing thousands of Americans in their offices at breakfast time
in major US cities. attacking highly secured buildings and toppling three of them in Manhattan with two plane impacts.
(actually 2 were shredded . one was toppled) Paralyzing our multi-trillion dollar military for almost 2 hours, defying a number of the laws of physics, etc/ just a thought.. Not that that is a good argument.
Unfortunately there are better ones for 9/11

I didn't create this topic to talk about your stupid theories. Do you guys butt into other peoples conversations on the street to preach conspiracies to them? Seriously, there are a million threads about the physics of 9/11, so please go away.

[Open Blinded]

I agree that CTs are a small part of coverage for skeptics. I would listen to a skeptical look at CTs podcast. Has anyone ever proposed this?

[grandthefttoaster]

I agree that CTs are a small part of coverage for skeptics. I would listen to a skeptical look at CTs podcast. Has anyone ever proposed this?

I would listen too, some other podcasts like the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe occasionally talk about CT's, but not as much as other subjects. But who would you propose this to?

[SnidelyW]

I am convinced that the 9-11 skeptics, especially here, have done a masterful job at blunting, disproving, and nullifying every theory the 'truthers' have attempted to establish.

They have been ruthless in their criticism where it has been warranted, and have spent many hours plugging away at CT blather, and continue to do so.

Their efforts should be applauded, as they ask for no reward, other than your understanding of the continuous and reckless distortion of fact the CTers proffer.

[R.Mackey]

The reason there's so little attention here is because these other conspiracy theories are typically mature and recycled. The "debunkers" have already learned that those promulgating the theories are, to indulge in sweeping generalization, incapable of learning otherwise, and thus wisely ignore them.

September 11th, however, is still a hotbed of trolling activity on both sides. And, until recently, there was still some fertile ground for actual investigation. Yet I think that period is just about closed, and unless some much more rational alternate view of the event spontaneously appears and demands redress, I strongly recommend simply ignoring the loudmouths who won't let it go. Once we do, this conspiracy theory too will die out, and be essentially indistinguishable from the rest.

[atavisms]

Something that I noticed is that there seems to be a disproportionatly smaller number of skeptics focusing on conspiracy theories than talking about paranormal and psuedoscience stuff. I don't mean people on these forums, I mean people like Randi who write books and do podcasts and blogs ect. For example, every time some creationist farts practically, the skeptics discuss it. The conspiracy that does get the most attention is 9/11, but still it seems to mainly be a dedicated group of debunkers, and not as many big names like Randi. And what about chemtrails and microchips and the NWO and all the stuff people like Alex Jones believe in? I hardly hear about any of that from skeptics.

People like Jones have probably always existed but the insanity of 9/11 and it's aftermath, coupled with advent and growth of internet, have given him a broader stage than he would otherwise have likely ever attained. The irnoy tho' is that Alex Jones is detrimental to 9/11 Truth. This is seen in your equating, '911 with CTs' & with him, when one has nothing to do with the other.

Alex Jones is a loud, arrogant, fear-mongerer who can easily be heard spouting sensationalistic nonsense, and coming to unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusions.(not that I have listened very much. I find him exploitative, and offensive. That said, he is obviously correct about certain things.

Is Alex Jones that far from Fox's Glen Beck and others? (each the others' antithesis) In the wake of 9/11, Americans were subjected to a thorough and extensive campaign of fear-mongering propaganda. Bush at the UN talking about 'the warning that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Powell at the UN laying out the case for war with Iraq, the threat level color changing every other day... what travelers went through, etc..

All of that played on the American psyche and gave Jones his much larger audience, but the irony is that he helps his purported enemies cause by doing more than most to perpetuate the caricature of the "conspiratorial Truther" ('wing nut') that the corporate mainstream media has so successfully cultivated around those who question the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. You can see the effects of that clearly in this forum.

Factis, people in power do perpetuate conspiracies to get into wars, armies are used as pawns, governments kill their own people when it serves their needs, and false flag terror, are all real things. Beware of labeling others, (ie, 'CT's') as if any notion of a particular could define a large group of people and possibilities. History is chock full of conspiracies. In fact, conspiracies are such common everyday occurrences, that one has to wonder where so many people get the misguided notion that any idea which falls outside the official version of things is a 'CT' and CT's are all deluded. It's pure nonsense, plain and simple. This may be true in most cases but not with regard to 9/11.

Where 9/11 is concerned the fact these these buildings were brought down with explosives is the only reasonable conclusion a person can come to. (it's either that, or ignore a mountain of evidence and irreconcilable anomalies)

[Slayhamlet]

I think he meant, major attacks like 9/11 in the states.
You know, killing thousands of Americans in their offices at breakfast time
in major US cities.

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he meant by "international terrorism": attacks in the U.S.

Fail.

[Slayhamlet]

People like Jones have probably always existed but the insanity of 9/11 and it's aftermath, coupled with advent and growth of internet, have given him a broader stage than he would otherwise have likely ever attained. The irnoy tho' is that Alex Jones is detrimental to 9/11 Truth. This is seen in your equating, '911 with CTs' & with him, when one has nothing to do with the other.

Alex Jones is a loud, arrogant, fear-mongerer who can easily be heard spouting sensationalistic nonsense, and coming to unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusions.(not that I have listened very much. I find him exploitative, and offensive. That said, he is obviously correct about certain things.

Is Alex Jones that far from Fox's Glen Beck and others? (each the others' antithesis) In the wake of 9/11, Americans were subjected to a thorough and extensive campaign of fear-mongering propaganda. Bush at the UN talking about 'the warning that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Powell at the UN laying out the case for war with Iraq, the threat level color changing every other day... what travelers went through, etc..

All of that played on the American psyche and gave Jones his much larger audience, but the irony is that he helps his purported enemies cause by doing more than most to perpetuate the caricature of the "conspiratorial Truther" ('wing nut') that the corporate mainstream media has so successfully cultivated around those who question the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. You can see the effects of that clearly in this forum.

Factis, people in power do perpetuate conspiracies to get into wars, armies are used as pawns, governments kill their own people when it serves their needs, and false flag terror, are all real things. Beware of labeling others, (ie, 'CT's') as if any notion of a particular could define a large group of people and possibilities. History is chock full of conspiracies. In fact, conspiracies are such common everyday occurrences, that one has to wonder where so many people get the misguided notion that any idea which falls outside the official version of things is a 'CT' and CT's are all deluded. It's pure nonsense, plain and simple. This may be true in most cases but not with regard to 9/11.

Where 9/11 is concerned the fact these these buildings were brought down with explosives is the only reasonable conclusion a person can come to. (it's either that, or ignore a mountain of evidence and irreconcilable anomalies)

tl;dr

Why do you post these utterly banal, worthless, biolerplate Truther screeds? You realize nobody actually reads them, right? We've heard all this crap before, about a million times. No one's going to be suddenly convinced by typical, unoriginal conspiracist thinking that can be read on just about any Truther propaganda site.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time, "atavisms"? Why not post this garbage where some dumb people might actually fall for it, look 9/11 Blogger or YouTube?

[TokenMac]

People like Jones have probably always existed but the insanity of 9/11 and it's aftermath, coupled with advent and growth of internet, have given him a broader stage than he would otherwise have likely ever attained. The irnoy tho' is that Alex Jones is detrimental to 9/11 Truth. This is seen in your equating, '911 with CTs' & with him, when one has nothing to do with the other.

Alex Jones is a loud, arrogant, fear-mongerer who can easily be heard spouting sensationalistic nonsense, and coming to unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusions.(not that I have listened very much. I find him exploitative, and offensive. That said, he is obviously correct about certain things.

Is Alex Jones that far from Fox's Glen Beck and others? (each the others' antithesis) In the wake of 9/11, Americans were subjected to a thorough and extensive campaign of fear-mongering propaganda. Bush at the UN talking about 'the warning that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Powell at the UN laying out the case for war with Iraq, the threat level color changing every other day... what travelers went through, etc..

All of that played on the American psyche and gave Jones his much larger audience, but the irony is that he helps his purported enemies cause by doing more than most to perpetuate the caricature of the "conspiratorial Truther" ('wing nut') that the corporate mainstream media has so successfully cultivated around those who question the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. You can see the effects of that clearly in this forum.

Factis, people in power do perpetuate conspiracies to get into wars, armies are used as pawns, governments kill their own people when it serves their needs, and false flag terror, are all real things. Beware of labeling others, (ie, 'CT's') as if any notion of a particular could define a large group of people and possibilities. History is chock full of conspiracies. In fact, conspiracies are such common everyday occurrences, that one has to wonder where so many people get the misguided notion that any idea which falls outside the official version of things is a 'CT' and CT's are all deluded. It's pure nonsense, plain and simple. This may be true in most cases but not with regard to 9/11.

Where 9/11 is concerned the fact these these buildings were brought down with explosives is the only reasonable conclusion a person can come to. (it's either that, or ignore a mountain of evidence and irreconcilable anomalies)

You're right I must be ignoring a mountain of evidence becuase I just can't seem to remember ever seeing any.;)

[grandthefttoaster]

I am convinced that the 9-11 skeptics, especially here, have done a masterful job at blunting, disproving, and nullifying every theory the 'truthers' have attempted to establish.

They have been ruthless in their criticism where it has been warranted, and have spent many hours plugging away at CT blather, and continue to do so.

Their efforts should be applauded, as they ask for no reward, other than your understanding of the continuous and reckless distortion of fact the CTers proffer.

Yes the 9/11 skeptics did a good job, thank you guys! I just think some other conspiracy theories need more attention too. These other theories are becoming more popular in the wake of 9/11.

[grandthefttoaster]

People like Jones have probably always existed but the insanity of 9/11 and it's aftermath, coupled with advent and growth of internet, have given him a broader stage than he would otherwise have likely ever attained. The irnoy tho' is that Alex Jones is detrimental to 9/11 Truth. This is seen in your equating, '911 with CTs' & with him, when one has nothing to do with the other.

At least half of the 9/11 truthers I have seen also seem to believe in the stuff Alex promotes, like the NWO stuff, so I'd hardly say he has nothing to do with them.

Alex Jones is a loud, arrogant, fear-mongerer who can easily be heard spouting sensationalistic nonsense, and coming to unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusions.(not that I have listened very much. I find him exploitative, and offensive. That said, he is obviously correct about certain things.

If you don't believe in the New World Order stuff, than who do you think was behind 9/11, Bush and Cheney? Then why aren't they still in control of the country, or at least another neocon?

Is Alex Jones that far from Fox's Glen Beck and others? (each the others' antithesis) In the wake of 9/11, Americans were subjected to a thorough and extensive campaign of fear-mongering propaganda. Bush at the UN talking about 'the warning that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Powell at the UN laying out the case for war with Iraq, the threat level color changing every other day... what travelers went through, etc..

You don't like it when I equate Alex Jones with the 9/11 truthers, but now you are doing the same to me. I don't like Glen Beck or Fox. If your trying to say that only people like Beck support the official story then your just wrong, sorry.

All of that played on the American psyche and gave Jones his much larger audience, but the irony is that he helps his purported enemies cause by doing more than most to perpetuate the caricature of the "conspiratorial Truther" ('wing nut') that the corporate mainstream media has so successfully cultivated around those who question the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. You can see the effects of that clearly in this forum.

No, your wrong, I don't disbelieve in your conspiracy theories because the media tells me. I disbelieve because you have no evidence. If you're trying to convince me, than your insulting tone isn't going to help.

Factis, people in power do perpetuate conspiracies to get into wars, armies are used as pawns, governments kill their own people when it serves their needs, and false flag terror, are all real things. Beware of labeling others, (ie, 'CT's') as if any notion of a particular could define a large group of people and possibilities. History is chock full of conspiracies. In fact, conspiracies are such common everyday occurrences, that one has to wonder where so many people get the misguided notion that any idea which falls outside the official version of things is a 'CT' and CT's are all deluded. It's pure nonsense, plain and simple. This may be true in most cases but not with regard to 9/11.

Sure there are real conspiracies, that doesn't mean 9/11 is an inside job. Your just using logical fallacies.

Where 9/11 is concerned the fact these these buildings were brought down with explosives is the only reasonable conclusion a person can come to. (it's either that, or ignore a mountain of evidence and irreconcilable anomalies)

Well what the "truthers" do in pick out anomalies as evidence, and then say that all of the evidence against their theory was faked by the conspirators. So really you guys are the one's who ignore the evidence.

[Brian-M]

I think that humor is a good response to conspiracy theories. If people start to see exactly how ridiculous some of their assumptions are, maybe they'll start to question them.

Edward Current does a great 911 CT parody at around 1:50 into this video...

pusSNjBd8do

[Especially]

I am working on the theory that the sheep reject conspiracies because they reject history. They are not very bright. And so the dumbing down of history suits the mass media, the bankers, the dynasties, the corporate control agents and those who never think.

The effects of modified paraffin delivered in an aluminium tube can pierce vertical reinforced steel several times and can bring down two giant skyscrapers set in solid concrete. And spacemen can walk on the film studio, oops, lunar surface, without any ill effects from solar radiation. They and their rocket can pass through the Van Allen Belt and in to space (for days) although their rocket offers them no protection from radiation. This is all possible because they eat apple pie. And because they are heroes.

[Especially]

I think that humor is a good response to conspiracy theories. If people start to see exactly how ridiculous some of their assumptions are, maybe they'll start to question them.

Edward Current does a great 911 CT parody at around 1:50 into this video...

pusSNjBd8do


You are so right.

I recently studied the US governments official 9/11 Report. It starts off with an official conspiracy. In fact, it refers to the 9/11 conspiracy 3 times in its text.

But that's OK. It's the 'official' conspiracy theory. Right ?

So conspiracy theories are OK. As long as they are official.

Speaking of 'weapons of mass destruction in Iraq', that conspiracy theory is OK too. Because it too is official. And everyone knows that Bin Laden and Bush were never close business associates. Those who say differently are only conspiracy theorists.

The one I like the best is the vaporising of the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9/11. Piloted, we are told, by a pilot who had worked in the Pentagon shortly before. The passengers vaporised with the plane but DNA was still able to identify everyone. This too is official, so you may believe it.

The survival of the criminal's passports in the rubble of the Twin Towers (when the entire towers were turned to dust) is another conspiracy theory which we accept because it's official.

I'm so glad we have 'official' conspiracy theories. So that those conspiracy theorists are exposed as liars and frauds.

'They hate our freedoms' is the explanation. Freedoms thrown in the bin by the Patriot Act, that is.

Here too we must never believe conspiracy theories, except the official ones.


:rolleyes:

[DGM]

I am working on the theory that the sheep reject conspiracies because they reject history. They are not very bright. And so the dumbing down of history suits the mass media, the bankers, the dynasties, the corporate control agents and those who never think.

The effects of modified paraffin delivered in an aluminium tube can pierce vertical reinforced steel several times and can bring down two giant skyscrapers set in solid concrete. And spacemen can walk on the film studio, oops, lunar surface, without any ill effects from solar radiation. They and their rocket can pass through the Van Allen Belt and in to space (for days) although their rocket offers them no protection from radiation. This is all possible because they eat apple pie. And because they are heroes.
Given the life span of most sheep (and the fact there's rarely text books in the barn yard) I don't think they ever actually learn history. Do you have proof they're given the opportunity to learn or are you just stereotyping sheep?

[Sunray Breaker]

Where are all the conspiracy theory skeptics?

They spend most of their time with Atheist Monks and ex-Nazi Holocaust deniers.

[Especially]

Given the life span of most sheep (and the fact there's rarely text books in the barn yard) I don't think they ever actually learn history. Do you have proof they're given the opportunity to learn or are you just stereotyping sheep?

Who can possibly accuse the sheep of being dumbed down by the mass media and the corporate spin merchants of Washington ?

[DGM]

Who can possibly accuse the sheep of being dumbed down by the mass media and the corporate spin merchants of Washington ?

You know that answering a question with a question is a dodge.

[grandthefttoaster]

I am working on the theory that the sheep reject conspiracies because they reject history. They are not very bright. And so the dumbing down of history suits the mass media, the bankers, the dynasties, the corporate control agents and those who never think.

The effects of modified paraffin delivered in an aluminium tube can pierce vertical reinforced steel several times and can bring down two giant skyscrapers set in solid concrete. And spacemen can walk on the film studio, oops, lunar surface, without any ill effects from solar radiation. They and their rocket can pass through the Van Allen Belt and in to space (for days) although their rocket offers them no protection from radiation. This is all possible because they eat apple pie. And because they are heroes.

Here's why I think most poeple don't believe in these conspiracies, it's not because they are sheep or not. It's because people like you with absolutely no social skills, annoy people so much that they just ignore you. I started this topic to ask the question "where are all the conspiracy theory skeptics" and already three conspiranoids have come in, insulted my intelligence by calling me things like sheep, and then tried to change the subject to debate conspiracy theories. Is this how you guys act in real life, just walk up to people, call them sheep, and change the subject? Wow calling people sheep really convinces them right?

So if you are trying to convince people that your conspiracy theories are right, start by showing them that your not a loser in your basement with a tinfoil hat.

[Especially]

You know that answering a question with a question is a dodge.

No, it's a Ford.

[Especially]

Here's why I think most poeple don't believe in these conspiracies, it's not because they are sheep or not. It's because people like you with absolutely no social skills, annoy people so much that they just ignore you. I started this topic to ask the question "where are all the conspiracy theory skeptics" and already three conspiranoids have come in, insulted my intelligence by calling me things like sheep, and then tried to change the subject to debate conspiracy theories. Is this how you guys act in real life, just walk up to people, call them sheep, and change the subject? Wow calling people sheep really convinces them right?

So if you are trying to convince people that your conspiracy theories are right, start by showing them that your not a loser in your basement with a tinfoil hat.

I love being ignored. You describe it as a punishment and I think the very opposite.

I am a winner in the penthouse and living in peace. So that I do not need your tinfoil hat or your tinfoil arguments.

[grandthefttoaster]

You love being ignored? Than why the hell are you here?

[twinstead]

I've met very few zealots and ideologues who weren't abrasive and arrogant. I suppose they can be forgiven for having to live among the sheep who won't listen to their wisdom. I suppose that can take a lot out of a person.

[RHolmes]

I've met very few zealots and ideologues who weren't abrasive and arrogant. I suppose they can be forgiven for having to live among the sheep who won't listen to their wisdom. I suppose that can take a lot out of a person.

A great insight there, twinstead. It must be especially aggravating for them that when they expose the truth it sounds as though they have merely strung a series of unconnected factoids together into a narrative which has no basis in reality.

*sigh*

[Especially]

You love being ignored? Than why the hell are you here?

I am here in the hope of being ignored by all the wrong people and acknowledged by all the right people.

[Especially]

I've met very few zealots and ideologues who weren't abrasive and arrogant. I suppose they can be forgiven for having to live among the sheep who won't listen to their wisdom. I suppose that can take a lot out of a person.


Being a sheep is good thing. We should be gentle with them. It's the shepherds which are to be blamed, don't you agree ?

[grandthefttoaster]

I am here in the hope of being ignored by all the wrong people and acknowledged by all the right people.

Who are the right people? Other arrogant conspiracy theorists? Just preaching to the quire, huh? You complain that people are sheep, but apparently you don't care about changing anyones mind, just being a dick on some forum.

[twinstead]

Being a sheep is good thing. We should be gentle with them. It's the shepherds which are to be blamed, don't you agree ?

Uh, no, it's the arrogant folks who have it "all figured out" whom we should be blaming.

[David Wong]

Once more an OP gets answered, unintentionally. This thread is a great example of why it's less interesting to take on conspiracy theories. The theories are almost always perpetrated by a certain personality type (anti-social and disenfranchised loners, and/or teenagers or people with personality disorders) and there is no discussion with them.

There is always 1) an ulterior motive to their claims (ie the Freeman conspiracy buffs simply don't want to pay taxes) and 2) they're always coming PURELY from a place of emotion. The typical thread consists of the conspiracy buff posting a youtube video or blog post as proof of their claim, skeptics posting evidence showing why it's false, and the conspiracy buff shouting insults in return (as seen in this thread).

It's just not very rewarding. Strangely addictive once you start doing it, however.

[Squidgy]

So did the OP ever get a real answer?

Other than the NWO conspiracy is too wacky?

[dudalb]

I am working on the theory that the sheep reject conspiracies because they reject history. They are not very bright. And so the dumbing down of history suits the mass media, the bankers, the dynasties, the corporate control agents and those who never think.

The effects of modified paraffin delivered in an aluminium tube can pierce vertical reinforced steel several times and can bring down two giant skyscrapers set in solid concrete. And spacemen can walk on the film studio, oops, lunar surface, without any ill effects from solar radiation. They and their rocket can pass through the Van Allen Belt and in to space (for days) although their rocket offers them no protection from radiation. This is all possible because they eat apple pie. And because they are heroes.


What a mixture of complete arrogance and the regurgitating of Moon Hoax BS, ripped to shreds long ago.

Which also brings up another trait of the CTers. Very few stop with one conspriacy. Buying into one CT leads to another. Like how in this case, buying in 9/11 Truth has led into a belief in "We Never Landed On The Moon" crapola.

[Squidgy]

Of course we landed on the moon, mythbusters proved it. Also, if we hadn't someone would have blown the whistle by now.

[Squidgy]

I used to be a 9/11 twoover but then I smoked the truth and realised just how rediculous that CT was. I am still open minded but now I need real evidence to prove anything that isn't common knowledge. Life is much easier with my new found skepticism :)

[Squidgy]

Ridiculous!!! Edit!!

[grandthefttoaster]

So did the OP ever get a real answer?

Other than the NWO conspiracy is too wacky?

I'm still wondering where they are. I saw recently a thing on the history channel about the Knights Templar and the Freemasons looking for the Holy Grail in Minnestota. Where are all the historians to debunk this? And where are all the economists to debunk the Federal Reserve junk? People like Mythbusters have done a great job with the moon hoax and 9/11, now someone needs to get to work on some of these other theories.