I need some assistance and suggestions

[triforcharity]

I am going to be putting together a site with all the information that I have accumulated over the months, from photos, including some of my own, and articles, to debunking links, to reports, to audio from that day.

If anyone has any GOOD (hear that twoofies, I said GOOD) suggestions, hints, or advice, please post them here.

Aany help would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you have linkeys and such, please do not hesitate to post them.

Thanks.

~Tri

ETA: Oh, and if anyone would like to put a link to THEIR debunking pages or blogs, let me know. I will certainly do it, for a small fee*!



*I am only kidding. I would never profit from a site that I dedicate to the FDNY firefighters.

[Sam.I.Am]

There should be at least twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining what each one is. :D

[knife fight colobus]

Check out this thing called NIST online. I think it stands for Natural Institute of Science and Techniques.

Lemme know if you are gonna have a section for links to audio debates and such cause I have a million different links to mp3s and such.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Check out this thing called NIST online. I think it stands for Natural Institute of Science and Techniques.

No. NIST stands for Not Interested in Stupid Truthers.

[jhunter1163]

No. NIST stands for Not Interested ining to Stupid Truthers.

Fixed that for you.

[waypastvne]

There should be at least twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining what each one is. :D

See the psychiatrist room 604.

[jhunter1163]

And tell him "Shrink... I wanna kill."

[Sam.I.Am]

Ok, some honest advice. I strongly recommend that you have a plan as to how the web site is laid out before you even start. I'm not talking about how it looks, I'm talking about how you can get to the information the fastest. The easiest way is to first do it in outline form on a piece of paper.

First, the information should be at least three layers deep. The first layer has a brief description of what can be found there and links to several pages in the second layer covering broad topics, the second layer should have several links going towards specific subjects applicable to the broader topic that you linked this layer to in the first layer, the third layer is where you actually present the information that the second layers link pointed to. Technically there is a fourth layer where you link to outside content but that is beyond your control. Remember the old axiom KISS (Keep it simple stupid).

A good example of this concept is over at 9/11 myths. Layer one has links to broad subject, layer two has links to subject matter and layer three is content.

Second, don't get crazy with the color scheme. Dark letters on a light background is easier on the eyes. Pure white background is also a bad idea, use this forums background and lettering as a very general guide as to what works. Any background that is off white or a light pastel works best. Be consistant from page to page.

Third, keep it professional. If you're presenting information and not opinion then keep you're opinion out of it. You're already voicing an opinion by what you decide to present. If you really want to voice your opinion then have a second layer blog dedicated to that.

Fouth, have someone from the outside looking in with a critical eye go through the site, page by page before you go live. They should be conversant in the subject matter and can spot obvious typos, spelling and grammar mistakes. They should also be able to be critical on the general layout and you should tell them that it's OK to make suggestions on making it easier to use.

Finally, keep in mind that not everyone has great bandwidth. Thumbnail images that are large and link to them instead (like that overhead image of GZ on the 23rd of Sept 01). A lot of people don't like to download files, indicate in the link if it's not going directly to a web page. This includes things like a PDF file (NIST Reports for example), word documents, mp3's, images and anything else that isn't meant to only be opened in a stock web browser.

There was a saying that we had in the navy that we called the six P's. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You can save yourself a lot of extra work if you use the ideas I gave here to heart.

Good luck.

[rjh01]

Talk to people who have already done it. What were there mistakes and discoveries?

[liverleef]

A few pieces of advice

1) Frames-People love webpages that are full of frames, especially ones that require you to scroll
2) Animated Gifs- People just cant get enough of these and they make webpages look super cool. Gifs featuring smiley faces or american flags are a must. It's impossible to have too many.
3)Background Music-Background music in MIDI format might be the single best way to grab everyones attention
4)Don't waste time making sure all of your links work, they're probably fine and it takes time away from adding more of those neato animated gifs mentioned earlier.

[grandthefttoaster]

Are you asking for help with the debunking, or with the design of the website? If it is the design, then contact me and I can help you out.

[Sam.I.Am]

liverleaf A few pieces of adviceI will kill you with a thousand Hamsters who will then dance upon your grave tamping down the petals of the cheap flowers that your friends and relatives left for you if he takes any of this to heart.

Otherwise I'll just say Hi...

[triforcharity]

Animations and GIFS I think are for children and social networking sites. NOT for a serious website that deals with a VERY serious issue.

I am not looking specifically for more info, but of course, if someone has more info to give, that is fine.

My plan is this.

This will mainly be a tribute to the firefighters who died that day. It will then go into the basics of how fire reacts, and its effects on buildings, and how this in not something new to firefighters.

Then, it will get into the debunking side of it. Ie: NFPA 921, things of that nature.

I highly doubt it will be anything like what gravy has put together, but I like his format. Not flashy, just evidence and facts.

I will not really be addressing the engineering side, or the chemistry side too much. That is not my speciality. There are others who do that much better than I do. I know firefighting. I do not know the inner workings of things like thermite. I know FIRE.

[triforcharity]

There should be at least twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining what each one is. :D

I like this idea. Can I use CAPITALS, BIG FONTS and even COLORS!?!?

Thanks......:D:D

[~enigma~]

I am going to be putting together a site with all the information that I have accumulated over the months, from photos, including some of my own, and articles, to debunking links, to reports, to audio from that day.

If anyone has any GOOD (hear that twoofies, I said GOOD) suggestions, hints, or advice, please post them here.

Aany help would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you have linkeys and such, please do not hesitate to post them.

Thanks.

~Tri

ETA: Oh, and if anyone would like to put a link to THEIR debunking pages or blogs, let me know. I will certainly do it, for a small fee*!



*I am only kidding. I would never profit from a site that I dedicate to the FDNY firefighters.
Calendar of all the semi nude female firefighters :)

[triforcharity]

Check out this thing called NIST online. I think it stands for Natural Institute of Science and Techniques.

Lemme know if you are gonna have a section for links to audio debates and such cause I have a million different links to mp3s and such.


NIST, sure, I like those guys. When they discuss things like the size of the fires, and things of that nature. When they discuss things like "Live load bearing of 1.2 giggalewels" or whatever sciency stuff that is in there, I will link to it, but not as a primary.

If those debates cover things related to the firefighters, sure. I most certainly will. Otherwise, I will put them in their own section.

[triforcharity]

Ok, some honest advice. I strongly recommend that you have a plan as to how the web site is laid out before you even start. I'm not talking about how it looks, I'm talking about how you can get to the information the fastest. The easiest way is to first do it in outline form on a piece of paper.

First, the information should be at least three layers deep. The first layer has a brief description of what can be found there and links to several pages in the second layer covering broad topics, the second layer should have several links going towards specific subjects applicable to the broader topic that you linked this layer to in the first layer, the third layer is where you actually present the information that the second layers link pointed to. Technically there is a fourth layer where you link to outside content but that is beyond your control. Remember the old axiom KISS (Keep it simple stupid).

A good example of this concept is over at 9/11 myths. Layer one has links to broad subject, layer two has links to subject matter and layer three is content.

Second, don't get crazy with the color scheme. Dark letters on a light background is easier on the eyes. Pure white background is also a bad idea, use this forums background and lettering as a very general guide as to what works. Any background that is off white or a light pastel works best. Be consistant from page to page.

Third, keep it professional. If you're presenting information and not opinion then keep you're opinion out of it. You're already voicing an opinion by what you decide to present. If you really want to voice your opinion then have a second layer blog dedicated to that.

Fouth, have someone from the outside looking in with a critical eye go through the site, page by page before you go live. They should be conversant in the subject matter and can spot obvious typos, spelling and grammar mistakes. They should also be able to be critical on the general layout and you should tell them that it's OK to make suggestions on making it easier to use.

Finally, keep in mind that not everyone has great bandwidth. Thumbnail images that are large and link to them instead (like that overhead image of GZ on the 23rd of Sept 01). A lot of people don't like to download files, indicate in the link if it's not going directly to a web page. This includes things like a PDF file (NIST Reports for example), word documents, mp3's, images and anything else that isn't meant to only be opened in a stock web browser.

There was a saying that we had in the navy that we called the six P's. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You can save yourself a lot of extra work if you use the ideas I gave here to heart.

Good luck.

Thank you SO MUCH!! I have never designed or built anything like this, so it will be a learning process, and constructive critism is ALWAYS accepted.

There most likely will be no GIFs or Dancing banannas on my page. I think that takes away from the seriousness of the page. I will of COURSE keep it professional, as I am representing firefighters everywhere. Especially the ones that I lived and worked with in NYC. They deserve nothing but the best.

[AJM8125]

Calendar of all the semi nude female firefighters :)

Why leave out the rest of the semi nude females? You could be setting him up for discrimination lawsuit you know. Best include all semi nude females.

[Arus808]

Hi Tri,

If you are serious, look into a free Content Management software that you can use on your site (make sure that you have all that you need, php, MySQl etc)

Joomla is my favorite, because its customizable and easy to use right out of the box (after installing):
http://www.joomla.org/

Joomla can be used as a blog software, but also as a article system as well

another good one is Expression Engine:
http://expressionengine.com/ (they do have a free version)

You can create categories and make pages under each category. They include their own Upload system so you dont have to worry about linking images correctly. The system will do it for you.



If you need help on either, just holler

[triforcharity]

Maybe you guys mis-understood me. php, MySQl <~~~~ This, i do not understand.

If it tells you anything, I just found out about CTRL+c=Copy CTRL+V=Paste, and CTRL+TAB= Swich applications or tabs in IE.

I will be a google master by the time I get this site up and running.

[Mr.Herbert]

Why leave out the rest of the semi nude females? You could be setting him up for discrimination lawsuit you know. Best include all semi nude females.

And not just firefighters!

Paramedics:
http://www.electriqueboutique.com/shop/images/4023-350.jpg

Policewomen:

http://www.legaljuice.com/police%20sexy.jpg

[Alt+F4]

How about a Q&A type site where people reach the eventual correct answer on their own? For example:

Q - Didn’t Donald Rumsfeld admit in a speech that flight 93 was shot down?
A - He appears to be saying that al queda shot down flight 93. Judge for yourself. [link to video]

Folks don't to feel they are being bullied or brainwashed. Sometimes a gentle nudge in the right direction does the trick better than the ten ton hammer.

[HeyLeroy]

http://www.webmonkey.com/ has some good tutorials for the beginner.

[Brainster]

Specialize, specialize, specialize. If you're going to try to recreate 9-11 Myths or Debunking 9-11, you're not going to get much traction. On the other hand, if you specialize in, say, the firefighters, you have instant credibility and a topic that comes up very often and yet does not get covered as well as it should because the generalists are all trying to figure out the difference between thermite, thermate, nano-thermite and super-thermite. I would refer you to, for example, the exemplary work done by Gumboot on the NORAD issues, or RMackey on the physics, or several others on pilot/radar issues.

[triforcharity]

Specialize, specialize, specialize. If you're going to try to recreate 9-11 Myths or Debunking 9-11, you're not going to get much traction. On the other hand, if you specialize in, say, the firefighters, you have instant credibility and a topic that comes up very often and yet does not get covered as well as it should because the generalists are all trying to figure out the difference between thermite, thermate, nano-thermite and super-thermite. I would refer you to, for example, the exemplary work done by Gumboot on the NORAD issues, or RMackey on the physics, or several others on pilot/radar issues.


I do not plan on trying to cover all the aspects. Just the firefighting and fire aspect. I do not know engineering, and I do not know chemistry. What I do know, is what I will focus on, and that is firefighting.

Can you please give the links to those sites?? Does Reheat have a site?? I know he covers the pilots and airplanes side.

Thanks for the advice.

[Pantaz]

What NOT to do... WebPagesThatSuck.com (http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/)

[liverleef]

Specialize, specialize, specialize. If you're going to try to recreate 9-11 Myths or Debunking 9-11, you're not going to get much traction. On the other hand, if you specialize in, say, the firefighters, you have instant credibility and a topic that comes up very often and yet does not get covered as well as it should because the generalists are all trying to figure out the difference between thermite, thermate, nano-thermite and super-thermite. I would refer you to, for example, the exemplary work done by Gumboot on the NORAD issues, or RMackey on the physics, or several others on pilot/radar issues.

This is the best advice I've seen so far. There are plenty of 911 Debunking websites and blogs out there that cover a little of everything. Another one covering the same debunked woo serves no purpose.

[knife fight colobus]

You're off to a good start in specializing on firefighters and all.

I actually have a question, I just heard this argument used by Gage so I haven't started looking into it myself but...

Gage said something about how fire has only 20 minutes to burn as it is passing through an area. He was saying it when talking about the fires in wtc7 and it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Do you have any idea what he is talking about?

[knife fight colobus]

I also saw that you were mentioning how you use IE. I think you gotta switch to firefox man:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/

[triforcharity]

You're off to a good start in specializing on firefighters and all.

I actually have a question, I just heard this argument used by Gage so I haven't started looking into it myself but...

Gage said something about how fire has only 20 minutes to burn as it is passing through an area. He was saying it when talking about the fires in wtc7 and it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Do you have any idea what he is talking about?

In theory, 20 minutes is right. BUT, not for office buildings. The fire load, or just commonly called "load" is MUCH higher in an office building. Here is why.

Say you have a fire in a house. Aaverage house is 2-3000 Sq. Ft. K??

Then you load it with a bunch of stuff. Lots of flameable stuff. Tables, curtains, couches, tvs etc. K?

Now, you only have so much space in the house. Once the fire is really going, I mean, really going, it will begin to superheat the rooms in question. This occurs when the air near the ceiling is so hot, that it will literally combust. This, this is my worst nightmare. Any guess?? Yepo, FLASHOVER.

EVERY SINGLE THING in this room will be on fire. EVERYTHING! Carpet to the ceiling, everything. If its combustable, its on fire. K??

Everything is on fire. Everything, Its hot as hell, and its kicking. Like a Mack truck with no brakes, its going. Now, after only a short time, there is nothing left to burn. Everything is burnt to a crisp. EVERYTHING. There might be some plastics left, but that is about it. Maybe a small amount of wood from the couch frame, but that is about it.

BUT, think about the SIXE of an office space!! Houses have 8' ceiling typically, and office spaces have 10 or more. This (IIRC) is about standard.
So, much more cubic feet of space, much more burn time. More time till flashover, means that it could, in theory, burn in a 5000 sq. ft. office space for something to the tune of 40-60 minutes or more. PLUS, bon't forget, most office buildings have huge HVAC ducts, and that alone will alow ALOT of heat to escape.

One of the first things that a firefighter will do when he gets to a fire in an office space, is open the air handler on the roof. This is the easiest thing to do to let some of the heat out. Thus, it alows much more heat to escape, and makes is so there is much less damage to the building itself. Not to mention that most commercial office buildings are steel truss design, and if we cut the wrong direction, (laterally instead of paralell) we could end upo cutting a key beam and weakening it.

So, in conclusion, yes, he is correct. But, not for office fires. Residential....sure, for the most part. This is not a set in stone number either. There are so many variables that it would be almost impossible to say an exact number. The fuel load is the biggest factor.

[Blue Mountain]

Another suggestion: ask someone to proofread your pages, looking for typos and grammatical errors. "It's/its", "your/you're", and "there/their/they're" mix-ups are easy to make, and for some readers they can reduce the credibility of the site.

[orphia nay]

Another suggestion: ask someone to proofread your pages, looking for typos and grammatical errors. "It's/its", "your/you're", and "there/their/they're" mix-ups are easy to make, and for some readers they can reduce the credibility of the site.

I'll volunteer for that job, triforcharity.

I did the same thing for The Doc's 9/11 Mysteries Guide (http://www.911mysteriesguide.com/), of course with help from the lovely LashL.

[Brainster]

I do not plan on trying to cover all the aspects. Just the firefighting and fire aspect. I do not know engineering, and I do not know chemistry. What I do know, is what I will focus on, and that is firefighting.

Can you please give the links to those sites?? Does Reheat have a site?? I know he covers the pilots and airplanes side.

Thanks for the advice.

Ryan does most of his work around here, although IIRC he does have his debunking of one of Griffin's Debunking 9-11 Debunking chapters online somewhere. Andrew/Gumboot's work is also posted here but you can find some terrific work by him on LiveJournal (http://calan8.livejournal.com/).

BTW, since you are covering the firefighters, be sure to check this terrific little blog out, which transcribes the oral recollections of the firefighters and others (http://jay-911.blogspot.com/); the search ability (right sidebar) there makes it valuable.

[orphia nay]

Not sure if you were asking for these links too, but here they are just in case:

http://www.911myths.com/

http://www.debunking911.com/

[Hokulele]

I'll volunteer for that job, triforcharity.

I did the same thing for The Doc's 9/11 Mysteries Guide (http://www.911mysteriesguide.com/), of course with help from the lovely LashL.


If you need more help, I would be willing to volunteer. I helped proof Mackey's "On Debunking 9/11 Debunking" paper, way back when.

[knife fight colobus]

thanks for the info Tri. I never thought about any of that stuff. Your website sounds like it is gonna be pretty damn valuable.

I also suggest talking about the qualifications firefighters have in differentiating pools of iron or pools of steel or pools of whatevs.

[orphia nay]

If you need more help, I would be willing to volunteer. I helped proof Mackey's "On Debunking 9/11 Debunking" paper, way back when.

Awesome! Lash and I found that two of us checking and rechecking found things each other had missed, and IMHO we did a pretty good job. It would be great to work with you.

[Hokulele]

Awesome! Lash and I found that two of us checking and rechecking found things each other had missed, and IMHO we did a pretty good job. It would be great to work with you.


Famous last words...

;)

[orphia nay]

Famous last words...

;)

Eek! :eek:

;)

[triforcharity]

Now I just need to find a good or cheap web hosting. I found some online, but I don't know much about thata kind of stuff, and would like a regular domain.

Ie:

www.triforcaharitys911pages.com, or something like that.

Anyone know if something like GoDaddy or something like that would be where I need to start, or if someone knows a better one that is easy to use??

Oh, and proofreading. ABSOLUTELY!! Before I put it live, I will have as many people look at it, and give their stamp of approval.

Thanks for the great advice.

Oh, and I am shocked that none of the twoofies have put their 2 wooden nickels in. Lord knows that is about all their views aare worth.

[Hokulele]

I use GoDaddy for my business web site, but it doesn't give a lot of help for a newbie, so you may want to have a decent web designer set up your page template. Will this be set up as a website, or as more of a blog? I use Wordpress for my business blog, and it is very easy to set up and use (and free). Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I am not a web designer or anything. I know just enough HTML to be dangerous.

[grandthefttoaster]

Now I just need to find a good or cheap web hosting. I found some online, but I don't know much about thata kind of stuff, and would like a regular domain.

Ie:

www.triforcaharitys911pages.com, or something like that.

Anyone know if something like GoDaddy or something like that would be where I need to start, or if someone knows a better one that is easy to use??

Oh, and proofreading. ABSOLUTELY!! Before I put it live, I will have as many people look at it, and give their stamp of approval.

Thanks for the great advice.

Oh, and I am shocked that none of the twoofies have put their 2 wooden nickels in. Lord knows that is about all their views aare worth.

For the domain, you should think about somthing simple and easy to remember that describes the site. Something like 911firefighters.com or firefightersfor911reality.com ect.

[knife fight colobus]

Now I just need to find a good or cheap web hosting. I found some online, but I don't know much about thata kind of stuff, and would like a regular domain.

Ie:

www.triforcaharitys911pages.com, or something like that.



Just don't put the word truth in the title.

[CompusMentus]

Now I just need to find a good or cheap web hosting. I found some online, but I don't know much about thata kind of stuff, and would like a regular domain.



Have you looked at Bravenet (http://www.bravenet.com/webhosting/hosting.php)

A friend uses them and she says they are good, and cheap.


Compus

[Brattus]

There should be at least twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph below each one explaining what each one is. :D

Thanks for the laugh! This would make Arlo smile!:D

[deep]

ff911.com is available.

[Algebra34]

I need some assistance and suggestions

Breach of rules 0 and 12 removed.

[triforcharity]

I wanted the word firefighters in there, so that google would pick it up more easily.

Oh, and nowhere in the title is there going to be the word truth. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was in ANY waay associated with the Truth (Bowel) movement.

Hokulele,

I don't want to set it up like a blog, as I want the main focus to be put on what I present as fact and false, and the science behind it. Sometimes a blog can be construde as an opinion. I am going to try my best to avoid putting my opinions on the page. Unless my opinion is based on facts, and can be back up trough facts of course.

I have ammassed quite a few pictures from after the collapse from FEMA. I am submitting a FOIA request to FDNY and NYPD also, to see if they might have something to let me use.

Does anyone know much about copyright laws?? if only I knew a lawyer here.....Hummm......


Oh, and I think I have it narrowed down. It is either GoDaddy or WebStarts. Both offer comparable prices, but webstarts offers much more benefits to it. And, it offers slideshows, and a free domain name, and $25 dollars in Google credits. (Not sure what they do, but it sounds like a deal to me) and they are a locaal company. The 813 area code is fairly close to my city.

Plus, they offer more storage(5000 MB) and 100 gb of bandwith (not sure what they mean by that, but it sounds good)

ETA: I am sitting down with the wife shortly to do up like a flow chart.

Homepage
-Contacts
-brief info
-memorial to FDNY
- Maybe a few moving pictures

page 1

In depth tribute to the FDNY and all the firefighters who died.

Paage 2
Some history of 9/11.
Events of the day
the aftermath
maybe a timeline

Page 3
(the fun part)

What conspiracy therosts say
What is the truth. Of course, all with facts to back it up



Anything else??

[Hokulele]

If you are going to be posting your pictures and/or videos, definitely go with the extra storage.

I am not a copyright person, generally I use links on my blog/website rather than the images themselves. I think it may have been mentioned earlier, but you may want to PM ref and MkeW, as they both currently host resource websites, and may have insights to share.

[triforcharity]

I think that most of the stuff that I will post on there belongs to the AP, or to FEMA. I have some of my own personal stuff, so that is not a problem, as I own the copyright.

Oh, and Alge, I have great insurance. I work for the NWO.

[Algebra34]

I think that most of the stuff that I will post on there belongs to the AP, or to FEMA. I have some of my own personal stuff, so that is not a problem, as I own the copyright.

Oh, and Alge, I have great insurance. I work for the NWO.

So there will be nothing new. Good. Just what everyone needs.

[triforcharity]

Other than my personal pictures, no. As nothing new has come from the TM in years, I am focusing more on the fire side. Which, btw, reminds me.

Don't forget Alge, stoves are hot and will burn you.

[orphia nay]

I think that most of the stuff that I will post on there belongs to the AP, or to FEMA. I have some of my own personal stuff, so that is not a problem, as I own the copyright.

Oh, and Alge, I have great insurance. I work for the NWO.

So there will be nothing new. Good. Just what everyone needs.

So we have another truther who can't read. Good. Just what everyone needs.

[Algebra34]

So we have another truther who can't read. Good. Just what everyone needs.

So we have another faithfull. Good.

[triforcharity]

Here is a sneak peak, I found some of my personal pictures.


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC9-13.jpg

[Arus808]

http://www.phpwebhosting.com - gives you enough space ( i use this for a site I manage)
http://www.godaddy.com - for domain registrations

If you want quick software installs (like the ones I suggested; Joomla) - http://www.dreamhost.com is a good webhost provider and has a lot of software they will install for you (including blogging, forums, picture gallery etc). That way you dont have to "deal" with installation yourself. I host 3 domains with this company

[triforcharity]

Done. I like the fact that its CHEAP!! Less than 10 bucks for the NAME and the hosting!!! WOOO HOOOO!!! Code 777, thank you VERY much!!

BTW, it will be www.911firefighters.org

Is it tacky to link to a donation site for some FDNY charities??? I will REFUSE to take ANY profit WHATSOEVER from this site, but would linking to a FDNY charity be tacky??

[Sam.I.Am]

I wouldn't think so but I'd use the ones that give 100% of proceeds (or as close to that as possible) to whomever it is that they are helping.

[triforcharity]

Oh yeah, it will certainly be a charity that would be above reproach. Certainly not Dylan's little scam charity!!

[Open Blinded]

tri, I think you should use wordpress. It is not just for blogs, a lot of people use it as a regular CMS (content management system). Here (http://blogsessive.com/blogging-tools/10-beautiful-wordpress-websites/)are some examples of non-blog WP sites.

Once you get someone to help you set it up it will make it so much easier when you actually want to add content. You don't want it to be a chore for you to add things or edit pages.

A few other suggestions:
Have people submit truther claims to you and post short Q & A's with a link to more detailed info similar to http://911links.webs.com/ or http://911guide.googlepages.com/
I usually know how to respond to a truther off the top of my head but when I need details or a source it takes me a while to find it on all the debunking sites so I look at these short lists first.

A good search tool. This is not important in the beginning but eventually you should work on it, or have someone else help you. I find myself manually searching Gravy's site all the time but it would be so easy for him to just put one at the top of his page.

Like someone already suggested have an organizational chart before you start creating pages and make finding an item very intuitive.

Good luck and if you need help let me know. I am not a web design wiz but i know a thing or two about a thing or two.

[Brainster]

Blogger lets you post up to 1 Gig of pictures; my comics nostalgia blog is very graphics intensive and after about three years I'm still about 38%. You might even be able to post on blogger and then hotlink from elsewhere, although I haven't tried this.

On copyright issues, I am not a lawyer but I wouldn't worry too much, unless you use watermarked pictures from someplace like GettyImages. It is not criminal, it is civil and the party claiming a copyright violation has to serve you with a cease and & desist letter, which you can simply comply with to satisfy the law. As a practical matter copyright lawsuits are mostly not brought over digital images. I've posted thousands of copyrighted images at my comics blog and never gotten a C&D.

[rjh01]

You could do what Robert did. As soon as he had a new page he created a thread here and people told him about what they thought. That includes the spelling errors and such like.

[triforcharity]

Oh yeah, when it first goes live, I will be an attention whore, for lack of a better word. I, of course, will be open to suggestions too.

I am going to be using DreamHost, as they were offering a 101.95 dollar discount, which brought my first year down to less than 10 bucks for the domain name AND the website.

I am just waiting for it to be approved.

[BadBoy]

A few pieces of advice

1) Frames-People love webpages that are full of frames, especially ones that require you to scroll
2) Animated Gifs- People just cant get enough of these and they make webpages look super cool. Gifs featuring smiley faces or american flags are a must. It's impossible to have too many.
3)Background Music-Background music in MIDI format might be the single best way to grab everyones attention
4)Don't waste time making sure all of your links work, they're probably fine and it takes time away from adding more of those neato animated gifs mentioned earlier.
frames are bad idea. You cant bookmark properly with frames and it can make the pages too complicated. Better with a simple layout.
Adding music will slow down the page loading, as will complicated animated gifs. Dont want to put people off while they wait for your pages to download.

[RedIbis]

Oh yeah, when it first goes live, I will be an attention whore, for lack of a better word. I, of course, will be open to suggestions too.

I am going to be using DreamHost, as they were offering a 101.95 dollar discount, which brought my first year down to less than 10 bucks for the domain name AND the website.

I am just waiting for it to be approved.

Serious question: Will you be covering the health problems suffered by firefighters? I know your focus will be firefighters so I'm not asking about the first responders as well, but this is an issue I think we all can agree deserves serious attention.

[TruthersLie]

Tri.

I think you may want to figure out exactly what you want on the page.

I would recommend a free wiki page. My personal favorite is www.wetpaint.com. It is very easy to set up (in fact in 3 steps in less than 5 minutes). You can choose who can post on it or access it. It can host lots of images and videos and you can choose the the domain name and it will be xxxxxxx.wetpaint.com where the xxxxxx is the name you choose.

[triforcharity]

Serious question: Will you be covering the health problems suffered by firefighters? I know your focus will be firefighters so I'm not asking about the first responders as well, but this is an issue I think we all can agree deserves serious attention.

Red,

Thank you for your civility. Yes, I think it will be something that will be covered, but I am not sure how to cover it.

And yes, I agree 100% that this is something we can both agree on.

[RedIbis]

Red,

Thank you for your civility. Yes, I think it will be something that will be covered, but I am not sure how to cover it.

And yes, I agree 100% that this is something we can both agree on.

Your friendliness is appreciated as well. Check this site (http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/)for the latest news on these issues and to get a sense of how this info might be compiled.

I work with and am in touch with a few GZ first responders. It seems as quite a few you guys migrated down here to Florida. Good luck on your project.

[TruthersLie]

Here is a sneak peak, I found some of my personal pictures.


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC9-13.jpg

Hey Tri.

You realize with that one photo you just completely and utterly smashed Ata's "explosives" did it claim right?

Look at the windows which are broken and those which are NOT in the background. Can I post it in that other thread?

[leftysergeant]

What I would most like to see, in terms of content, would be interviews with, or letters from, some of the fire fighters who appear in the numerous linked pics and articles here. You may have noticed that sometimes their words get taken out of context.

I also have some contacts now in Shanksville and might be able to get one or two to give us all some insight into what actually happed.

[jaydeehess]

Another suggestion: ask someone to proofread your pages, looking for typos and grammatical errors. "It's/its", "your/you're", and "there/their/they're" mix-ups are easy to make, and for some readers they can reduce the credibility of the site.
Also;
"cite" versus "site"
"affect" versus "effect"

It certainly does annoy me, and I cannot help but think that if the author is so unconcerned about getting spelling correct how concerned are they about the content being correct.

One or two mistakes over several pages I can see, but on some sites its one or two per paragraph.

[A W Smith]

frames are bad idea. You cant bookmark properly with frames and it can make the pages too complicated. Better with a simple layout.
Adding music will slow down the page loading, as will complicated animated gifs. Dont want to put people off while they wait for your pages to download.
liverleef was joking

[NoZed Avenger]

Why leave out the rest of the semi nude females? You could be setting him up for discrimination lawsuit you know. Best include all semi nude females.

Semi-nude?

Sounds like you're all going at this half-assed.

[Mr.D]

Backups! (Especially if you are going with an inexpensive hosting company).

You'll really want some sort of revision/document management system, even if it as simple as saving everything you type in wordpad documents and all your cropped photos that you upload onto CDs.

The last thing you want to happen is to put so much personal energy and effort into something that you can't recreate if an emergency happens (like a server crash or defaced site)

[triforcharity]

Hey Tri.

You realize with that one photo you just completely and utterly smashed Ata's "explosives" did it claim right?

Look at the windows which are broken and those which are NOT in the background. Can I post it in that other thread?


Please do. I do not mind at all.

[triforcharity]

Mr. D,

The company that I am going to be using offers free backup. From what I have read on different sites, they rated pretty good.

it is called DreamHost.com

[BigAl]

Mr. D,

The company that I am going to be using offers free backup. From what I have read on different sites, they rated pretty good.

it is called DreamHost.com

Every contingency plan needs a contingency plan.

DH is an OK company but contrive a way to dump all your content down to your own PC periodically even if you the DH backup capability.

[triforcharity]

Sure, as soon as I can figure out what the **** I am doing. I have no clue how to do this thing.

[Mr.D]

The company that I am going to be using offers free backup. From what I have read on different sites, they rated pretty good.

And what happens if the company goes belly up?

A 250GB external USB drive that you can attach to your computer and keep a local backup on is really cheap insurance. (If you're really paranoid, get two or three and rotate them out into a safety deposit box at your bank)

</work mode off>

I'll second leftysergeant's idea. If you know anyone whose quotes have mined ("sounded like a bomb" etc.), and can ask them to give you clarifying statement (it was a metaphor, I saw no explosives ...), it would pretty much shut down that avenue of argument.

[Sam.I.Am]

I agree. Keep a folder on your desktop, inside it put all of your materials (photos, text, video ect) and burn it all to CD or DVD. Another good idea is to save a copy of each web page on your site right after it goes live. (in firefox it's located on the tool bar under File> Save page as... IIRC IE is similar) Save it as HTML. Then put that on a different CD than your folder backup. Tuck them away somewhere safe.

[triforcharity]

I think this would be a good idea. I have an unused mem stick, I think its a 250mb. I am not sure though.

I will be contacting some of the firefighters in the next few weeks, and will be updating the site with their comments as I gather them.

[triforcharity]

I am still working on it, and trying to upload some stuff to it, but aparently everything is not up to speed yet.

[Sam.I.Am]

You'll eventually get it down Tri, keep plugging away at it.

[triforcharity]

I DLed some website design software, so I will start kicking this things tires.

I just have to figure out how to upload it to the ftp? thing.

I am so out of my confort zone, but I want to do this.

[Klimax]

I DLed some website design software, so I will start kicking this things tires.

I just have to figure out how to upload it to the ftp? thing.

I am so out of my confort zone, but I want to do this.

I'd use Filezilla (free) http://filezilla-project.org/ and their tutorial is http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Using .

It is quite easy,so it might be a good idea. Anyway,usually webhosting companies have some tutorials as well on how to do it.

[BigAl]

I DLed some website design software, so I will start kicking this things tires.

I just have to figure out how to upload it to the ftp? thing.

I am so out of my confort zone, but I want to do this.

Pick a nice, long password. If you don't, and piss someone off, you might find you get your website hacked.

Look for the encrypted login option to the administration side of your website. https, sftp, there are a bunch and any are good enough.

The Computers forum is good for this kind of discussion.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=23

[triforcharity]

Oh yeah, my password is about 18 charchters long, and even has one of these ^ in there.

I am still waiting for the DNS something or other to populate. So, untill then, its kinda wait and see.

It is up, and caan be visited at www.911firefighters.org

[triforcharity]

WOOO HOOOO!!! I have uploaded my very first html document!! Amazing, and it only took me 14 different google searches, and 1 Crown and Coke.

HEY! Its my day off!!

[NoZed Avenger]

Oh yeah, my password is about 18 charchters long, and even has one of these ^ in there.


Good, except you posted it. Change the special character(s) you are using and don't tell us. Or anyone online.

That last sentence may be one word too long, btw.

[TruthersLie]

I am happily aanticipaintg the launch of your page.

:)

[triforcharity]

Oh, I went and changed it

What do you mean?? What sentence?? On the homepage?

[TruthersLie]

Oh, I went and changed it

What do you mean?? What sentence?? On the homepage?

well Anticipate does only have one A. :P

[triforcharity]

Holy ****, I hate my laptop.

Fixed, thank you.

[BigAl]

Oh yeah, my password is about 18 charchters long, and even has one of these ^ in there.

I am still waiting for the DNS something or other to populate. So, untill then, its kinda wait and see.

It is up, and caan be visited at www.911firefighters.org


If your can see how, setting up an RSS feed for new articles on your site would make it much more user friendly, speaking for myself.

[NoZed Avenger]

Oh, I went and changed it

What do you mean?? What sentence?? On the homepage?

Sorry for the confusion: I meant my last sentence in that post where I say not to tell your password to anyone on line. <-- those last two words.

[jaydeehess]

I agree. Keep a folder on your desktop, inside it put all of your materials (photos, text, video ect) and burn it all to CD or DVD. Another good idea is to save a copy of each web page on your site right after it goes live. (in firefox it's located on the tool bar under File> Save page as... IIRC IE is similar) Save it as HTML. Then put that on a different CD than your folder backup. Tuck them away somewhere safe.

Indeed! You know how a Mac never crashes? Well with our Final Cut editing systems running on PowerMac's we save a copy of user preferences in a folder on the desktop. Wanna guess why?

[triforcharity]

If your can see how, setting up an RSS feed for new articles on your site would make it much more user friendly, speaking for myself.


I will certainly look into it. I am not sure HOW to do it, but I bet I can.

I am up to page 2 in my photos links. So far, so good.

Thank GOD I do not have to learn HTML for this.

[triforcharity]

I am backing it up onto a flash drive every change I make. This way, I have it JUST IN CASE.

Oh, and I cannot stand Macs. I think I am biased though. I have never used them, and changing now would be a pain in the ***. I am old and set in my ways I guess.

[BigAl]

I am backing it up onto a flash drive every change I make. This way, I have it JUST IN CASE.


You need to use two flash drives (or whatever media) and flip-flop between them. I strongly recommend burning a CD of your data periodically and keeping all of them forever.

Murphy says it's possible for a backup task to put dogmeat on your flash drive or your flash drive to fail. If you suddenly find you need what is on that drive, only your pooch will be happy.

[triforcharity]

BigAl,

You been into the liquor cabinet tonight?? I understood NOT ONE WORD of that post.

I will also be burning to a CD, as FLASH drives can fail.

I would hate to have to re-due my entire website.

[Klimax]

If your can see how, setting up an RSS feed for new articles on your site would make it much more user friendly, speaking for myself.

Agree.

I will certainly look into it. I am not sure HOW to do it, but I bet I can.

I am up to page 2 in my photos links. So far, so good.

Thank GOD I do not have to learn HTML for this.

As for RSS there are some projects making it simple,but don't know any of them...(no website with any noteworthy content)

BigAl,

You been into the liquor cabinet tonight?? I understood NOT ONE WORD of that post.

I will also be burning to a CD, as FLASH drives can fail.

I would hate to have to re-due my entire website.

You do/will do as he suggested...

ETA:Stability? XP,no problem except badly written drivers,7 same... :D

[RedIbis]

This, unfortunately, is what the latest news is concerning firefighters and first responders:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/10/12/2009-10-12_3_heroes_of_911_die_of_cancer_in_5_days.html

[BigAl]

This, unfortunately, is what the latest news is concerning firefighters and first responders:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/10/12/2009-10-12_3_heroes_of_911_die_of_cancer_in_5_days.html

Your concern is noted. This recent article gives the big picture.


09/06/2009
Report: Death Toll Among WTC Rescue Workers Soars

The number of documented deaths among World Trade Center rescue workers has reportedly soared since last year.

A representative from the New York State Department of Health told the New York Post Sunday that 817 workers have died since the attacks, up from 664 deaths last September.

State researchers report at least 270 deaths were due to cancer, and more than 200 from other illnesses.

The article also says about 150 workers suffered traumatic deaths – such as in the line of duty, drug overdoses, assaults or suicides.


http://ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-news-content/special_reports/wtc_coverage/105336/report--death-toll-among-wtc-rescue-workers-soars/