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[bill smith]

I disagree.

Dave
But you always would disagree Dave. We all know that.

They say that ' the winners write history ' but despite their best attempts to push the official version of 9/11 down our throats it has not taken sufficiently. The result is that these particular 'winners' will fail- certainly over time. This is not the pre-internet era any more Dave.

CIT have empirically proven that the Pentagon OCT is a total lie. ae911truth.org have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that the Towers and WTC7 were ontrolled demolitions. This toothpaste is not going back into the tube Dave however hard you try.

[EnJaySee]

CIT have empirically proven that the Pentagon OCT is a total lie. ae911truth.org have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that the Towers and WTC7 were ontrolled demolitions. This toothpaste is not going back into the tube Dave however hard you try.

No they haven't.

If what you said was true, all the big media outlets would've jumped all over it. As it is, you get pieces done by NatGeo and Popular Mechanics and BBC (to name a few) doing small articles debunking the conspiracy claims.

The CT-ists continue to try and squeeze the tube, but all they're getting is excrement that no one wants to buy.

[Dave Rogers]

They say that ' the winners write history ' but despite their best attempts to push the official version of 9/11 down our throats it has not taken sufficiently.

As the massive demonstrations in New York over the weekend show.

Dave

[bill smith]

As the massive demonstrations in New York over the weekend show.

Dave

I told you before Dave. Most people suffer a degree of moral cowardice and are afraid or reluctant to stick their heads up. No matter- we are convincing them in their millions. This is no surprise as the OCT is incredibly weak and definitively blown anyway. Those timid people will help the cause in their own way. When the time cmes you will see them (in their millions).

I just found an interesting statement I thought you would appreciate.

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."

[Foolmewunz]

Well, since this is all a prelude to a trip to AAH, I'll bite, Bill....

Gee, where'd you find that interesting quote, I'd sure like to know? (Is that sufficiently aw-gosh-gullible? I didn't overplay it did I?)

And by the way - why do YOU keep dodging MY QUESTION:

You conveniently speak of moral cowardice. You, an anonymous internet troll. Yet a number of us have posted the times/incidents where we've put our bodies "on the line" and even "behind bars" for our beliefs. Before you attempt to speak of moral cowardice from a position on high, you need to respond, similarly. Otherwise you're just another blowhard on a computer - and the foundation of your argument is "what I want other people to be like".

[bill smith]

As the massive demonstrations in New York over the weekend show.

Dave

I just thought of a great slogan for the state of America after 9/11.

' Malice in Wonderland '

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about ?

[bill smith]

Well, since this is all a prelude to a trip to AAH, I'll bite, Bill....

Gee, where'd you find that interesting quote, I'd sure like to know? (Is that sufficiently aw-gosh-gullible? I didn't overplay it did I?)

And by the way - why do YOU keep dodging MY QUESTION:

You conveniently speak of moral cowardice. You, an anonymous internet troll. Yet a number of us have posted the times/incidents where we've put our bodies "on the line" and even "behind bars" for our beliefs. Before you attempt to speak of moral cowardice from a position on high, you need to respond, similarly. Otherwise you're just another blowhard on a computer - and the foundation of your argument is "what I want other people to be like".

I suggest to listen to DanielSunjata speak. He covers most of your questions in this interview.

http://gcnlive.com/Archives2009/sep09/Dr_laurie/0919092.mp3 hour 2

[SezMe]

I told you before Dave. Most people suffer a degree of moral cowardice and are afraid or reluctant to stick their heads up. No matter- we are convincing them in their millions."
So if damn few people show up it is because most people have some degree of moral cowardice but millions are being convinced.

If, however, millions (or even thousands) (or even hundreds) showed up it would demonstrate the validity of the TM.

Got it. Tails I win, heads you lose.

[Foolmewunz]

I suggest to listen to DanielSunjata speak. He covers most of your questions in this interview.

http://gcnlive.com/Archives2009/sep09/Dr_laurie/0919092.mp3 hour 2

Most of my questions? There's really only one question there, Bill.

I'm not interested in what some teevee actor-person says, Bill. I'm interested in whether you're a moral coward, a physical coward, or a big time activist hero.

[bill smith]

Most of my questions? There's really only one question there, Bill.

I'm not interested in what some teevee actor-person says, Bill. I'm interested in whether you're a moral coward, a physical coward, or a big time activist hero.

I'm just an another internet warrior.

[SpitfireIX]

I told you before Dave. Most people suffer a degree of moral cowardice and are afraid or reluctant to stick their heads up. No matter- we are convincing them in their millions.


Bull. How many Americans protested US involvement in Vietnam, even after four student demonstrators were killed in the Kent State shootings? Hint: it's several orders of magnitude larger than the number of "Truthers" who turned out to protest this past September 11. A lot of those people are still living, Bill; where are they?

This is no surprise as the OCT is incredibly weak and definitively blown anyway. Those timid people will help the cause in their own way. When the time cmes you will see them (in their millions).


Why aren't all the structural engineers in North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, and China proclaiming that the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition?

I just found an interesting statement I thought you would appreciate.

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/17060474efcf47d2df.jpg

[CHF]

I told you before Dave. Most people suffer a degree of moral cowardice and are afraid or reluctant to stick their heads up. No matter- we are convincing them in their millions. This is no surprise as the OCT is incredibly weak and definitively blown anyway. Those timid people will help the cause in their own way. When the time cmes you will see them (in their millions).

I dunno, bill.

You clowns have been "blowing away the OCT" for 5 years now and are hard pressed to get 100 people out to your sad little gatherings. At that rate I don't fancy us seeing the TM "in their millions" in our lifetime.

But just out of curiosity, do you show up regularly at TM street protests, or are you actually one of those "cowards" you speak of?

[triforcharity]

Lets see, NYC + Burroughs population 10 Mil.

Truther turnout (I am being VERY generous) 100

% of NYC and surrounding areas that supported this march??

.001% . Yepo, great turnout in a city and metor araea of over 10 mil.

Oh, and about this whole "People are afraid to voice their opinions" BS.

Why is Gaage still alive?
How about Avery and his merry bunch or morons?
Alex jones??
Rankie??

ANYONE ELSE IN THE TM??? Why, don't we hear about their untimely deaths???

[Foolmewunz]

I'm just an another internet warrior.

Your constant avoidance of this question is becoming blatantly obvious, Bill. You repeatedly accuse the 86% of the population of the USA that does not agree with your 911 delusions of moral cowardice. Yet, you seem to be another anonymous poster on the internets without the courage to stand up for what you call "convictions".

You call it "internet warrior" if you like. I think there are other expressions that come to mind, though.

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by bill smith
I told you before Dave. Most people suffer a degree of moral cowardice and are afraid or reluctant to stick their heads up. No matter- we are convincing them in their millions. This is no surprise as the OCT is incredibly weak and definitively blown anyway. Those timid people will help the cause in their own way. When the time cmes you will see them (in their millions).

Bill, I have friends here in NYC that lie down in front of police horses and get arrested for nonviolent pacifist protests. To the degree they are aware of your tiny movement, they think it's silly becuase if they didn't witness WTC themselves, they know people that did and know first responders and know that the "Truth Movement" lies.

A friend on the left of the picture, not necessarily his most pacifistic moment.

http://www.antiauthoritarian.net/NLN/photo-gallery/2009_07_16_naacp/2009_07_16_naacp.jpg

[bill smith]

I dunno, bill.

You clowns have been "blowing away the OCT" for 5 years now and are hard pressed to get 100 people out to your sad little gatherings. At that rate I don't fancy us seeing the TM "in their millions" in our lifetime.

But just out of curiosity, do you show up regularly at TM street protests, or are you actually one of those "cowards" you speak of?

You guys seem to be much more concerned about Truther numbers on the streets than we are. I guess it's just the latest policy. The next one might be 'The Truth Movement is violent' or The Truth Movement is anti-Semitic ' and so on and on. Knock yourselves out.

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

[bill smith]

Bill, I have friends here in NYC that lie down in front of police horses and get arrested for nonviolent pacifist protests. To the degree they are aware of your tiny movement, they think it's silly becuase if they didn't witness WTC themselves, they know people that did and know first responders and know that the "Truth Movement" lies.

A friend on the left of the picture, not necessarily his most pacifistic moment.

http://www.antiauthoritarian.net/NLN/photo-gallery/2009_07_16_naacp/2009_07_16_naacp.jpg

Is that your friend who was killed on flight 77 with Barbara Olsen ?

[njslim]

How many were out on day passes from the local mental asylum?

Have to factor that in...

[JAStewart]

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

Absolutely not.

Thats perhaps one of my favourite assumptions of yours, william. Stundie'd.

ETA: I have a (non-9/11) community website, and it doesn't have 50-100 members. Well, it might, but only about 3 are active.

[bill smith]

Your constant avoidance of this question is becoming blatantly obvious, Bill. You repeatedly accuse the 86% of the population of the USA that does not agree with your 911 delusions of moral cowardice. Yet, you seem to be another anonymous poster on the internets without the courage to stand up for what you call "convictions".

You call it "internet warrior" if you like. I think there are other expressions that come to mind, though.

We are all as grains of sand Foolmewunz...grains of sand.... I do what I can in my own sweet way to raise the public DEFCON system to an awareness of the enemy within..

[triforcharity]

There is 650,000 truther websites out there?? Somehow I doubt that.


When I google "9/11 truth movement, I get 32,400,000.

BUT, the first page has 10 results, and 2 are duplicates, and two are calling you people morons.

I do not have the time to go page py page. BUT, if it means anything, if you google "9/11 truth movement lies, I get 13,500,000 hits.

[Gorgonian]

Wow that's quite a howler. (referring to the 50-100 per each of 650,000 websites).

[Dave Rogers]

Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

I suspect it's nearer 50 or 100 websites for every truther.

Dave

[Drudgewire]

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?


Problem is it's the same 50-100 people on almost every one of them. :p

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by bill smith
As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

Bill, How does your vision of the size of the TM fit into these two events yesterday.


Originally Posted by BigAl
Here's the Youtube video of today's NYCCAN march.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjKDmA7Gi4


and

Originally Posted by BigAl
Here's the local video news coverage of the FDNY 5k tunnel run. It puts the NYCCAN march to shame in many ways.


http://ny1.com/content/top_stories/106428/runners-retrace-path-of-fallen-fdny-hero/Default.aspx

[bill smith]

There is 650,000 truther websites out there?? Somehow I doubt that.


When I google "9/11 truth movement, I get 32,400,000.

BUT, the first page has 10 results, and 2 are duplicates, and two are calling you people morons.

I do not have the time to go page py page. BUT, if it means anything, if you google "9/11 truth movement lies, I get 13,500,000 hits.

We must have a different type of internet where I am. I find 390,000,000
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=9+11+truth+movement&revid=2129880302&ei=jszASprcJYTM-QbH1citAQ&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=1

[bill smith]

Bill, How does your vision of the size of the TM fit into these two events yesterday.



and

Al....just to give an example. We know that 80,000 people signed the NYCcan petition. They didn't all show up yesterday did they ? But that doesn't mean that they are not out there. It's the same with the millions upon millions of us.

[Foolmewunz]

We must have a different type of internet where I am. I find 390,000,000
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=9+11+truth+movement&revid=2129880302&ei=jszASprcJYTM-QbH1citAQ&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=1

Results 1 - 10 of about 43,900,000 From your link, Captain Courageous.

[ElMondoHummus]

Numbers do not matter! It does not matter how many websites exist or how many people participate on them! What matters is whether the narrative they spin is supported by the evidence or not, and none of the truther websites - most especially the ones maintained by CIT - fail in being supported by the evidence.

That is the only thing that matters: Reflection of reality. Truther websites do not do this. And if 3 billion of them existed, this would still be true.

[bill smith]

From your link, Captain Courageous.

Is that so ? How very interesting. Here's what I get.

Results 1 - 10 of about 391,000,000 for 9 11 truth movement

[Scott Sommers]

CIT have empirically proven that the Pentagon OCT is a total lie. ae911truth.org have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that the Towers and WTC7 were ontrolled demolitions. This toothpaste is not going back into the tube Dave however hard you try.

Why would you say such a thing here?
1. to get a reaction?
2. the chance that a naive mind might see it and be convinced?
3. foolishness or neuronal demyelination?

Honestly, what could possess someone to say such a thing here?

[BigAl]

Bump for Bill. Please give us your wisdom on the two short videos of NYC events yesterday.

Bill, How does your vision of the size of the TM fit into these two events yesterday.



and

[Scott Sommers]

Al....just to give an example. We know that 80,000 people signed the NYCcan petition. They didn't all show up yesterday did they ? But that doesn't mean that they are not there. It's the same with the millions upon millions of us.

But I have asked before what it does mean to you. According to your figures 0.0125% of signees showed up. What does this mean to you?

[Foolmewunz]

Is that so ? How very interesting. Here's what I get.

Results 1 - 10 of about 391,000,000 for 9 11 truth movement

I remember reading last month that Hong Kong Google put in a new algorithm in order to not count sites created by people with IQs of less than 82*. That might account for the discrepancy.

*I believe 83 is required for barking.

[bill smith]

Numbers do not matter! It does not matter how many websites exist or how many people participate on them! What matters is whether the narrative they spin is supported by the evidence or not, and none of the truther websites - most especially the ones maintained by CIT - fail in being supported by the evidence.

That is the only thing that matters: Reflection of reality. Truther websites do not do this. And if 3 billion of them existed, this would still be true.

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."

The same quote, twice in the same thread, is probably enough....

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by bill smith
Al....just to give an example. We know that 80,000 people signed the NYCcan petition. They didn't all show up yesterday did they ? But that doesn't mean that they are not there. It's the same with the millions upon millions of us.


20,000+ people showed up to run 5 kilometers in the rain in the memory of a fireman that died on 9/11.

100 people showed up to publicize what they believe is the crime of the century.

The events were separated by a couple blocks and overlapped in time.

[bill smith]

I remember reading last month that Hong Kong Google put in a new algorithm in order to not count sites created by people with IQs of less than 82*. That might account for the discrepancy.

*I believe 83 is required for barking.

Or maybe you get the simplified or dumbed-down internet in America in case you would be overwhelmed. If it was me I would be pretty underwhelmed about that. Call Google immediately.

[Foolmewunz]

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."

Why that man sounds like a Patriot! Like a Patriot for 911 Truth.

Here's his list of omissions from the National Geographic special. I snipped it around about where I reckon "fair use" can be claimed. (It's from this blog....
http://vealetruth.com/2007/08/27/the-history-channel-takes-on-911and-fails/#more-41 )

1. Residue of thermate, a compound used to cut steel in controlled demolitions, was found in the rubble.
2. There are eyewitness statements describing molten metal in the rubble just after the attacks, as well as orange to light-yellow hot pieces of metal, weeks afterward.
3. There were witnesses to explosions before the planes hit the buildings.
4. There is seismic evidence supporting explosions before the impacts of the planes.
5. There is physical evidence of destruction in the basement and lobby of the North Tower at the time of the initial impact of the airplane at the 92nd floor.
6. There is photographic evidence of steel heated beyond the capabilities of jet fuel.
7. There is photographic evidence of jaggedly cut, corroded steel from Ground Zero consistent with the use of explosives.
8. There is video evidence of a thermic reaction in the twin towers as predicted and described by Professor Steven Jones, now retired from Brigham Young University.
9. There is audio evidence of an explosion before the impact of Flight 11 into the North Tower.

Like I said, snipped to avoid IPR problems. Anyone wanting to read the whole thing can check the link.

[twinstead]

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."


Do you honestly think that if the the entire body of evidence that supports the generally-accepted narrative of 911 was compared side-by-side with what you consider evidence of inside job in a court of law you would win? If you do, you are seriously deluded.

[Foolmewunz]

Or maybe you get the simplified or dumbed-down internet in America in case you would be overwhelmed. If it was me I would be pretty underwhelmed about that. Call Google immediately.

Pssst!
Bill!
Over here.
Look over there
<<<<<<<< See my location? I'm not in the USA.

[bill smith]

But I have asked before what it does mean to you. According to your figures 0.0125% of signees showed up. What does this mean to you?

Nothing. As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine. The object is really to make certain that every living soul on Earth will know that the Americans carried out 9/11 themselves. We are making broad inroads.

We will also be happy to go for full accountability iif we can get it as looks increasingly likely. But the main objective is as I outlined above.

It's not that comlicated.

[CHF]

You guys seem to be much more concerned about Truther numbers on the streets than we are.

Well that depends on what day it is, doesn't it?

On most days truthers will insist that their movement is HUGE, that's its growing, and that it'll soon sweep us away with the force of a tsunami.

But then whenever you attempt to put on a public showing of force and fail miserably....well then numbers don't matter do they?

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

Sure, let's do that. Let's assume there are between 3,250,000 and 6,500,000 of you.

That means that of all those millions, only a few dozen can be bothered protesting in the streets on your big days of action.

That would mean your "movement" is by far the most lazy and downright pathetic in all of human history. Take a bow!

As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine.

So I take it then that you've given up on actually doing something?

At GZ in 2006 Alex Jones spoke of "taking down the NWO."

Is having single white males JAQ-off to truther videos also an acceptable result now?

[Dave Rogers]

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."

ISTR someone here had a sig that read,

"Quoting people who are not experts on the topic at hand is as irrelevant as quoting people like me, Bobby McButtcrack." - Bobby McButtcrack

Dave

[bill smith]

Pssst!
Bill!
Over here.
Look over there
<<<<<<<< See my location? I'm not in the USA.

Breach of Rule 12 removed

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by scott.in.taiwan Post
But I have asked before what it does mean to you. According to your figures 0.0125% of signees showed up. What does this mean to you?

Originally Posted by Bill Smith
Nothing. As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine. The object is really to make certain that every living soul on Earth will know that the Americans carried out 9/11 themselves. We are making broad inroads.

20,000 people showed up in the rain in memory of a fireman that died on 9/11.

100 people showed up to publicize what you believe is the crime of the century.

[Scott Sommers]

Why that man sounds like a Patriot! Like a Patriot for 911 Truth.

Here's his list of omissions from the National Geographic special. I snipped it around about where I reckon "fair use" can be claimed. (It's from this blog....
http://vealetruth.com/2007/08/27/the-history-channel-takes-on-911and-fails/#more-41 )
1. Residue of thermate, a compound used to cut steel in controlled demolitions, was found in the rubble.

Like I said, snipped to avoid IPR problems. Anyone wanting to read the whole thing can check the link.

You've got to understand that no one accepts these findings except a bunch of kids. As I have said repeatedly, if there was real thermite going on here, we would be hearing about it from the Texas Tech Combustion Lab.

You may not agree, but I can't believe you don't understand this point.

I'm starting to understand why other members here don't believe you're serious and may even be a researcher mining quotes.

[Dave Rogers]

As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine.

What I think hasn't really received enough ridicule here is your claim that the truth movement is growing by the million right now, based on a single estimate of how many truther websites there were three or four years ago. I think your technique of measuring growth rates from a single out-of-date irrelevant data point should be publicised more widely. It's at least as rigorous and as useful as any other piece of truther science.

Dave

[twinstead]

Nothing. As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine. The object is really to make certain that every living soul on Earth will know that the Americans carried out 9/11 themselves. We are making broad inroads.

We will also be happy to go for full accountability iif we can get it as looks increasingly likely. But the main objective is as I outlined above.

It's not that comlicated.

No. It's not complicated. You are wrong, and most sane people know it.

[bill smith]

Well that depends on what day it is, doesn't it?

On most days truthers will insist that their movement is HUGE, that's its growing, and that it'll soon sweep us away with the force of a tsunami.

But then whenever you attempt to put on a public showing of force and fail miserably....well then numbers don't matter do they?





Sure, let's do that. Let's assume there are between 3,250,000 and 6,500,000 of you.

That means that of all those millions, only a few dozen can be bothered protesting in the streets on your big days of action.

That would mean your "movement" is by far the most lazy and downright pathetic in all of human history. Take a bow!



So I take it then that you've given up on actually doing something then?

At GZ in 2006 Alex Jones spoke of "taking down the NWO."

Is having single white males JAQ-off to truther videos also an acceptable result now?

Somebody once said that Americans are ' too lethargic to be apathetic '. Do you think that there could be some Truth in that ? lol

[16.5]

CIT have empirically proven that the Pentagon OCT is a total lie. ae911truth.org have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that the Towers and WTC7 were ontrolled demolitions. This toothpaste is not going back into the tube Dave however hard you try.

CIT has EMPIRICALLY proven? Well, at least we know that old Bill Smith does not know what "empirically" means.

I wonder if Wild Bill knows just how many of the "millions" of truthers hate CIT.

Don't even get me started about how the owners of all-you-can-eat Buffets feel about Aldo.

[bill smith]

You've got to understand that no one accepts these findings except a bunch of kids. As I have said repeatedly, if there was real thermite going on here, we would be hearing about it from the Texas Tech Combustion Lab.

You may not agree, but I can't believe you don't understand this point.

I'm starting to understand why other members here don't believe you're serious and may even be a researcher mining quotes.

You tell him Scott. lol

[BigAl]

Somebody once said that Americans are ' too lethargic to be apathetic '. Do you think that there could be some Truth in that ? lol

20,000 people showed up in the rain yesterday in the memory of a fireman that died on 9/11.

People in the several hundreds of thousands regularly protest in Washington and NYC for some cause or other. None of these causes appear to be about the alleged crime and cover-up of 9/11.

You've got about 100 people, Bill.

[CHF]

Somebody once said that Americans are ' too lethargic to be apathetic '. Do you think that there could be some Truth in that ? lol

Apparently the whole world must be lethargic when it comes to the Truth as well.

But FYI - 2003 anti-war rallies in American drew hundreds of thousands, in cities like New York. Millions more attended in Europe (London, Madrid, Paris etc.).

A few weeks ago hundreds of people attended a rally here in Toronto in support of bike lanes.

So perhaps people aren't as apathetic as you think. Perhaps the real problem here is that your little movement really is as small and pathetic as we tell you it is.

[bill smith]

Apparently the whole world must be lethargic when it comes to the Truth as well.

But FYI - 2003 anti-war rallies in American drew hundreds of thousands, in cities like New York. Millions more attended in Europe (London, Madrid, Paris etc.).

A few weeks ago hundreds of people attended a rally here in Toronto in support of bike lanes.

So perhaps people aren't as apathetic as you think. Perhaps the real problem here is that your little movement really is as small and pathetic as we tell you it is.


England has one fifth of your population yet a 2003 rally drew two million (though the government claims only one million). So extrapolate....

[The Platypus]

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

hmmm

Bill's estimates: 650,000 times 100 = 65,000,000
Population: 6,787,000,000,000

Percentage of pop in Bill's cult: 0.957%

[CHF]

England has one fifth of your ppulation yet a 2003 rally drew two million (though the government claims only one million). So extrapolate....

In other words, the numbers show that Brits were far more likely to protest than were Americans.

Which, if the trend continued, would mean that we should be seeing Truth Movement rallies in England that are several times bigger than the tiny ones in America.

Yet we don't.

Why do you suppose that is?

[Sunray Breaker]

Nothing. As long as we are creating Truthers by the million, even behind their computer screens that will do just fine. The object is really to make certain that every living soul on Earth will know that the Americans carried out 9/11 themselves. We are making broad inroads.

That's cute and all but you might want some solid evidence before running around, willy nilly, accusing people you know nothing about, of treason.


We will also be happy to go for full accountability if we can get it as looks increasingly likely. But the main objective is as I outlined above.

What exactly is your objective? You guys don't really seem to have a solid plan of action and you can't even agree with one another.

Some of you think no planes, some of you think thermite, space beams, the joos, NWO, explosives, LIHOP, MIHOP, Osama is a patsy, Osama is Dead, Osama is fictional, Osama worked for CIA but is a dead fictional patsy.

You have to make up your minds first before even trying to have a plan of action my friend.

What exactly would you do if you could bring these so-called evil gubmint folks to justice. How would you handle the situation and set things right?

It's not that comlicated.
Obviously it is, or you'd have greater numbers by now. Have you tried telling the actual truth? It might make things less complicated.

[HeyLeroy]

Lets see, NYC + Burroughs population 10 Mil.

Truther turnout (I am being VERY generous) 100

% of NYC and surrounding areas that supported this march??

.001% . Yepo, great turnout in a city and metor araea of over 10 mil.

Actually that would be 0.0001

Is that so ? How very interesting. Here's what I get.

Results 1 - 10 of about 391,000,000 for 9 11 truth movement

Hmm...
http://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1764151L.JPG

I'm also not in the US.

[JohnG]

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."


Why do you not properly attribute this quote to its author?

I honestly don't think that has ever been the case in American history but it certainly hasn't been the case in the last 40 years. There is plenty of healthy (and not so healthy) skepticism of leaders in American society and there always has been. You'd have to be awfully young and naive to believe otherwise.

[dafydd]

You guys seem to be much more concerned about Truther numbers on the streets than we are. I guess it's just the latest policy. The next one might be 'The Truth Movement is violent' or The Truth Movement is anti-Semitic ' and so on and on. Knock yourselves out.

As long as there are still 650,000 9/11 websites out there (as there were threee or four years ago) that gives me a fair idea of the size of the Truth Movement. Shall we say 50 or 100 Truthers for every website ?

They are all the same nutcases.

[bill smith]

Actually that would be 0.0001



Hmm...
http://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1764151L.JPG

I'm also not in the US.

Explain this then..


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_303614ac103f7a7762.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17685)

[16.5]

Explain this then..


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_303614ac103f7a7762.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17685)

Explain it? Sure. Your overbroad search returned as results every web site with the words truth and/or movement in them.

Gee, you'd have to be kind of a dip **** not to know that Bill.

Results 1 - 10 of about 971,000 for "dip ****." (0.31 seconds)

[Macgyver1968]

Why do y'all even bother responding to Bill? You know he's just messing with you.

[Drudgewire]

Explain this then..


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_303614ac103f7a7762.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17685)


Without putting quotation marks around it, you're getting results for things like "911 is a Joke" lyrics, "Truth or Consequences, New Mexico," and "The Top 10 Most Untimely Bowel Movements" in your results. You even skewed the results further by separating "9" and "11" meaning the engine is finding those numbers rather than "911" or "9/11."

You have four keywords that simply have to appear anywhere on the same page (or loosely connected, as some of them will say "movement" appears only in links to page).

I'm sure you know this, and it plays right into your gimmick of being a parody of a really uninformed truther... but on the outside chance someone reading isn't familiar with how google works, it's worth pointing out.

[bill smith]

Explain it? Sure. Your overbroad search returned as results every web site with the words truth and/or movement in them.

Gee, you'd have to be kind of a dip **** not to know that Bill.

Results 1 - 10 of about 971,000 for "dip ****." (0.31 seconds)

It's exactly the same search terms as used by the others ( 9 11 Truth Movement) Yet either of them got more than 43 million hits while I got 391 million hits. You see it.

[Macgyver1968]

Results 1 - 10 of about 591,000 for bill smith is a fraud. (0.08 seconds)

Hehe..google is my friend.

[tsig]

Why do y'all even bother responding to Bill? You know he's just messing with you.

It is decidedly so

[bill smith]

Without putting quotation marks around it, you're getting results for things like "911 is a Joke" lyrics, "Truth or Consequences, New Mexico," and "The Top 10 Most Untimely Bowel Movements" in your results. You even skewed the results further by separating "9" and "11" meaning the engine is finding those numbers rather than "911" or "9/11."

You have four keywords that simply have to appear anywhere on the same page (or loosely connected, as some of them will say "movement" appears only in links to page).

I'm sure you know this, and it plays right into your gimmick of being a parody of a really uninformed truther... but on the outside chance someone reading isn't familiar with how google works, it's worth pointing out.

You only have to look at the two pictures to see that we used the exact same search terms.

[tsig]

Explain this then..


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_303614ac103f7a7762.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17685)

Better not tell you now

[A W Smith]

Explain this then..


[/URL][URL]http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_303614ac103f7a7762.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17685)


Why did you crop out the address bar Billy Girl? Telling!

[tsig]

It's exactly the same search terms as used by the others ( 9 11 Truth Movement) Yet either of them got more than 43 million hits while I got 391 million hits. You see it.

Very doubtful.

[bill smith]

Why did you crop out the address bar Billy Girl? Telling!

No I couldn't upload at all to the forum until i reduced the image to 9.8 kb. Strange eh ?

[funk de fino]

No I couldn't upload at all to the forum until i reduced the image to 9.8 kb. Strange eh ?

Got any videos of UK marches for 911 truth recently? There will be thousands in attendance eh?

[A W Smith]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/911googlesearch.jpg

[bill smith]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/911googlesearch.jpg

You are probably a favourite with the guys who hand out the uploading privileges.

[A W Smith]

You are probably a favourite with the guys who hand out the uploading privileges.


are you that stupid? Look at the URL. its a photobucket account.

[bill smith]

are you that stupid? Look at the URL. its a photobucket account.

Oh I see. I've never used photobucket...

[TruthersLie]

You have four keywords that simply have to appear anywhere on the same page (or loosely connected, as some of them will say "movement" appears only in links to page).


Wow. I mean wow. I have billy girl on ignore, and the image you showed drudge from the quote. Absolutely AMAZING.
That right there demonstrates just how STUPID 9/11 truthers are, and it fully demonstrates their lack of critical reading, writing or research skills.

When you do a keyword search you need to put things in "" to limit the search to EXACTLY what you are after.
so "9/11" truth movement would be better. "9/11 truth movement" would also be much more direct. But wait, I thought twoofs were saying there is NO official truth movement? I love how one twoof contradicts another, repeatedly.

ETA: so a search of "9/11 truth movement" gets 347,000 hits. amazing.
seperating "9/11" and "truth movement" gets 230,000 hits.

It helps when you weed out all of the things which are false hits in google, like "this is the truth about weight loss" and "9/11 1965 was this date in history" and "boy that was a big bowel movement."

Yet again, twoofs show their piss poor READING FOR COMPREHENSION skills.

[bill smith]

Wow. I mean wow. I have billy girl on ignore, and the image you showed drudge from the quote. Absolutely AMAZING.
That right there demonstrates just how STUPID 9/11 truthers are, and it fully demonstrates their lack of critical reading, writing or research skills.

When you do a keyword search you need to put things in "" to limit the search to EXACTLY what you are after.
so "9/11" truth movement would be better. "9/11 truth movement" would also be much more direct. But wait, I thought twoofs were saying there is NO official truth movement? I love how one twoof contradicts another, repeatedly.

ETA: so a search of "9/11 truth movement" gets 347,000 hits. amazing.
seperating "9/11" and "truth movement" gets 230,000 hits.

It helps when you weed out all of the things which are false hits in google, like "this is the truth about weight loss" and "9/11 1965 was this date in history" and "boy that was a big bowel movement."

Yet again, twoofs show their piss poor READING FOR COMPREHENSION skills.

Results 1 - 10 of about 132,000,000 for ''9/11 truth movement''. (0.05 seconds)

[dafydd]

Why do y'all even bother responding to Bill? You know he's just messing with you.

Agreed,he's a troll stirring the **** for his own amusement.Stop responding and he'll find another hobby.

[dafydd]

Or she,who cares?

[CHF]

Got any videos of UK marches for 911 truth recently? There will be thousands in attendance eh?

Yeah I'm waiting for that too.

[Macgyver1968]

Yeah I'm waiting for that too.

And I'm waiting for a nyphomanic bikini model who owns a Ferrari dealership to ask my hand in marriage. I think the probablity for both are about the same.

[Foolmewunz]

You've got to understand that no one accepts these findings except a bunch of kids. As I have said repeatedly, if there was real thermite going on here, we would be hearing about it from the Texas Tech Combustion Lab.

You may not agree, but I can't believe you don't understand this point.

I'm starting to understand why other members here don't believe you're serious and may even be a researcher mining quotes.

HUH?

Does my avatar, of a sudden, look like Bill's?

[MIKILLINI]

Somebody once said that Americans are ' too lethargic to be apathetic '. Do you think that there could be some Truth in that ? lol

Many have said that truthers are to logic impaired to propose clear thought. Do you agree with this assessment?

[Scott Sommers]

Somebody once said that Americans are ' too lethargic to be apathetic '. Do you think that there could be some Truth in that ? lol

You said that. I look at the huge participation on political protests, charity and memorial events and I see a tremendously active people. I hear Truthers call firemen and other EMTs cowards and say they've been threatened into silence. I say, you obviously haven't meet any. You describe people as theough they're weak lambs. I have no experience with the world you describe. Perhaps you've been talking too much with Morpheus.

[triforcharity]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/righttheregeez.jpg


See Bill, at the top, it even says .nl

Oh, and its the same interwebs. That is why it is called the WORLD WIDE WEB!! Der.

Is that stundie material?? Certainly not a winner, but worth a chuckle.

[Audible Click]

You have to remember that Bill Smith was the last person to clue into the fact that Charlie Sheen "interviewing" the POTUS was fake, EVEN AFTER the website put in the disclaimer.

[deep]

Explain this then..


You searched for "9 11 truth" (minus quotes), which returns precisely 351,000,000 results on google.nl.

ETA: Actually, sometimes I get 351,000,000, while other times I get 45,200,000. Bizarre.

[Slayhamlet]

Or maybe you get the simplified or dumbed-down internet in America in case you would be overwhelmed. If it was me I would be pretty underwhelmed about that. Call Google immediately.

Edited for incivility compare the numbers: "dumbed-down internet [sic] in America" i.e. the real Google (there is no google.us) (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=9+11+truth&aq=f&aqi=&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2084f45e26dfc089) vs google.nl (http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&q=9+11+truth&meta=&fp=57e39a9dff38ae9e)

Remember to be civil and polite

[LashL]

ETA: Actually, sometimes I get 351,000,000, while other times I get 45,200,000. Bizarre.


[Here is the important part] What do you learn from that?

[bill smith]

[Here is the important part] What do you learn from that?

That there actually are 351,000,000 hits to be had. That or Google doesn't really work.

[tsig]

That there actually are 351,000,000 hits to be had. That or Google doesn't really work.

" a poor workman blames his tools"

Maybe Google works in ways you do not understand.

[dafydd]

You said that. I look at the huge participation on political protests, charity and memorial events and I see a tremendously active people. I hear Truthers call firemen and other EMTs cowards and say they've been threatened into silence. I say, you obviously haven't meet any. You describe people as theough they're weak lambs. I have no experience with the world you describe. Perhaps you've been talking too much with Morpheus.

Bill lives in Holland ( near a coffieshop I suspect) and therefore knows all about the USA,There you are Bill,I'm going along with your game,come back with the usual non-sequitor trolling remark and one of your trademark feeble jokes.

[funk de fino]

That there actually are 351,000,000 hits to be had. That or Google doesn't really work.

Got any videos of UK marches for 911 truth recently? There will be thousands in attendance eh?

Extrapolate Bill please.............

[JAStewart]

I tried it myself, and took a few other search engines into account..

Google: 43,800,000

Yahoo: 49,300,000

Bing: 8,230,000

Ask: 32,100,000


What do these results tell us? Well bill, I'll ask a simple question:

Do you believe that when I searched/google etc all last updated, there was a perfectly rounded figure of conspiracy sites?

Why it is 49,300,000 and not 49,361,167? Answers on a postcard.

[dafydd]

This site ,http://www.911truth.org/, asks for donations.So far they have raised 15,000 dollars.The 50 percent off book sale has been extended.T shirts down to 5 dollars.This site,http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/,has raised the princely sum of 125 dollars.The webstore here http://www.vancouver911truth.org/ has closed down.Here ,http://www.911oz.com/, we have a pic of Sydney Truth Action 11 September 09,20 people.http://www.chico911truth.org/ has a message saying 'this site is semi-dormant'' and that the group is no longer meeting.I could go on but I grew tired of wading through the bs on these sites.Enough said.

[CHF]

England has one fifth of your population yet a 2003 rally drew two million (though the government claims only one million). So extrapolate....

C'mon bill, surely there was a point to this?

Where are the UK truth rallies?

[MIKILLINI]

C'mon bill, surely there was a point to this?

Where are the UK truth rallies?

In his wishful, paranoid mind. :D