G20 police uses arrested student as trophy in group photo

[oldhat]

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http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/28/kodac-and-kevlar-moment-video-appears-to-show-pittsburgh-police-during-g20-protests-using-an-arrested-citizen-as-a-prop-for-a-group-photo/

[WildCat]

pwned

[oldhat]

pwned

You're hilarious.

[WildCat]

You're hilarious.
Thank you.

[Epok]

It seems that all the links to the video show that it has been taken down for terms of use violation.

[Arcade22]

It seems that all the links to the video show that it has been taken down for terms of use violation.

Looks like ZOG is at it again!

[WildCat]

If Ron Paul was POTUS you'd be able to protest right inside the Oval Office.

[fuelair]

I bet not!! PCAAPCA

[Checkmite]

pwned

lawl

[Beerina]

Should probably check LiveLeak then.

[FrankChurch]

Unlike the teabag protests where the media was out in force, hardly anyone is covering it. Even the Daily Show made fun of it. Sad.

[Skeptic]

Unlike the teabag protests where the media was out in force, hardly anyone is covering it. Even the Daily Show made fun of it. Sad.

Perhaps because these "anarchists" are mostly bored college kids living off dad's evil, capitalist income, which means they simply don't matter.

Why bother covering them? It's not much of a revolutionary movement if it can be stopped dead in its tracks by dad no longer sending money.

[oldhat]

Perhaps because these "anarchists" are mostly bored college kids living off dad's evil, capitalist income, which means they simply don't matter.

Do you have any evidence for that whatsoever or is that a crude stereotype you've conjured up out of thin air?

Do you have any criticisms of the protesters' complaints about the G20's policies? Trade policies? Environmental policies? Food and agriculture policies? Do you even know what they were protesting or did you dismiss it with a snort and a bunch of sarcastic remarks you bravely made on the internet while they were getting beaten up by these goon policemen?

Or is your problem more about the clothing young people wear and their having the gall to express their right to free speech?

[WildCat]

Do you even know what they were protesting
I don't even think they know what they were protesting. Do you?

[Checkmite]

I don't even think they know what they were protesting. Do you?

Of course they did - they were protesting "the G20".

[Checkmite]

Do you have any criticisms of the protesters' complaints about the G20's policies? Trade policies? Environmental policies? Food and agriculture policies? Do you even know what they were protesting or did you dismiss it with a snort and a bunch of sarcastic remarks you bravely made on the internet while they were getting beaten up by these goon policemen?

Or is your problem more about the clothing young people wear and their having the gall to express their right to free speech?

The problem with their expressing their right to free speech is that they sucked at it. I honestly have no idea what their complaints were - and yeah, that's a failure on their part. The whole point of speech (as far as I'd been taught) was to convey something meaningful. All they managed to convey was that they have some nameless problem with the G20. Maybe next time they should work on delivering some kind of message besides "I'm a dick, arrest me!"

[Ernie M]

I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and have not seen or heard of any photo involving the Pittsburgh Police using an arrested protester as a prop during the G-20 Summit, which was held on 24 & 25 September 2009.

To my knowledge, the local news stations ABC (http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html), CBS (http://kdka.com/), NBC (http://www.wpxi.com/index.html), did not broadcast any such situation involving the purported photograph on air, or on their Web sites. I have not found any reference to the purported photo in the largest local newspaper, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette (post-gazette.com (http://www.post-gazette.com/))- nothing on their Web site.

There's probably a good reason the video mentioned in the OP has been removed for "Use Violation." Whatever was portrayed was most likely not factual, or accurate.

[geni]

There's probably a good reason the video mentioned in the OP has been removed for "Use Violation." Whatever was portrayed was most likely not factual, or accurate.

That wouldn't be a TOS violation.

[Ernie M]

Here's a list containing the names of those arrested during the G-20, in case anyone wants to try to verify if one of those arrested is the same person depicted in the purported "photo" mentioned in the OP.

Complete List Of G-20 Arrests, Charges (http://kdka.com/local/g20/g20.arrests.list.2.1213517.html)

It appears that one 'anarchist' in particular, David Japenga, broke many windows in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh. If the 'anarchists' are crying foul against the Pittsburgh Police, for issues like false-arrest or being handled roughly or inappropriately, then how come the black-bandana-wearing-to-hide-their-identity 'anarchists' haven't produced photos or video of who really broke all those windows?

[WildCat]

It appears that one 'anarchist' in particular, David Japenga, broke many windows in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh. If the 'anarchists' are crying foul against the Pittsburgh Police, for issues like false-arrest or being handled roughly or inappropriately, then how come the black-bandana-wearing-to-hide-their-identity 'anarchists' haven't produced photos or video of who really broke all those windows?
And he came all the way from his mama's house in California to do it.

David Japenga, jackass.

eta: Actually, he's not originally from California. He grew up in Michigan, and moved to Tampa Bay where he ate out of dumpsters (http://www.tampabay.com/features/consumer/article451134.ece) and had a job as a bicycle messenger (http://centraltampa2.tbo.com/content/2008/may/28/st-spinning-and-grinning-its-all-in-day/).

This is so ironic: "It is lazy, I guess," Japenga says. "But (the markup on food) is economic violence against me."

Isn't breaking $50,000 worth of windows "economic violence"?

[INRM]

Honestly I really don't know much about the G-20 issue.

For one, were all the so called Anarchists really anarchists? Or were they simply opposed to the G-20?

Also, were the sonic cannons or other force used on the protest without the protestors demonstrating any serious act of violence to warrant it?


INRM

[Captain.Sassy]

gtfo with this pwnd bs.

Seeing this **** makes me sick to my stomach. Completely unacceptable anywhere, let alone in a country that can trace its birth to protest and civil disobedience.

As for 'what they're protesting', the anti-globalization movement has some legitimate grievances.

[Captain.Sassy]

There's probably a good reason the video mentioned in the OP has been removed for "Use Violation." Whatever was portrayed was most likely not factual, or accurate.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1254082665&c=1

You be the judge comrade.

[Captain.Sassy]

job as a bicycle messenger (http://centraltampa2.tbo.com/content/2008/may/28/st-spinning-and-grinning-its-all-in-day/)

How exactly is his job relevant, you fascist?

[WildCat]

How exactly is his job relevant, you fascist?
Just giving some background info on the asshat who broke $50,000 worth of windows.

[Captain.Sassy]

Just giving some background info on the asshat who broke $50,000 worth of windows.

Nice try broski.

If he was a grad student you wouldn't have highlighted that with a link to it.

"Look he's an untermensch!"

Anyways, the fact that he could live off of 2.50$ a month by eating food that restaurants etc. throw out by itself draws attention to the wastefulness of our consumerist society. Way to go Japenga!

[WildCat]

Nice try broski.

If he was a grad student you wouldn't have highlighted that with a link to it.

"Look he's an untermensch!"
I just thought it was interesting. A freegan here got arrested the other day for protesting the Olympics bid by trying to tear down and destroy a banner. What is it with freegans and destroying property?

Anyways, the fact that he could live off of 2.50$ a month by eating food that restaurants etc. throw out by itself draws attention to the wastefulness of our consumerist society. Way to go Japenga!
If it wasn't for our "consumerist society" this f-wad couldn't eat out of dumpsters, could he?

[Captain.Sassy]

Nope, but I think that's the point!

[WildCat]

Nope, but I think that's the point!
What's the point? How many freegans live in N. Korea?

[Captain.Sassy]

If it wasn't for our "consumerist society" this guy couldn't eat out of dumpsters, could he?

/\/\/\
the point

Our consumerist society is so wasteful that he can eat great food just by going through what is discarded by restaurants.

[Checkmite]

"Great food", yeah.

[Captain.Sassy]

"I don't eat garbage. I eat delicious food that happened to be in the trash can," Japenga told the Times. "Big difference."

His words.

But I guess you have more first hand experience of what he ate than he did.

[Skeptic]

Do you have any evidence for that whatsoever or is that a crude stereotype you've conjured up out of thin air?

I was a student in an American university in a major city for years. Practically every year we had "anarchists" demonstrate. 95% or so (in my estimation) were college kids, living off dad's money.

You're welcome.

Anyway, "student anarchist" is a contradiction in term: if you think society is so evil and corrupt and all institutions are bad, why are you trying to get a degree -- in precisely such an institution -- in the first place?

You claim to be an anarchist, and then you study in one institution, so as to get a job in some other institution (in corporate America), with money your dad earned in a third institution (his job).

Yeah, quite an example of anarchism you're setting.

It's a phase. The "anarchism" usually ends about two weeks after law school (or one's first real job) begins.

(Yawn)

Spoiled brats, nothing more. Cut off their allowance and that's the end of the movement. Better yet, just ignore them.

[Captain.Sassy]

Do you have any evidence?


in my estimation


i.e. "No."

[Checkmite]

"I don't eat garbage. I eat delicious food that happened to be in the trash can," Japenga told the Times. "Big difference."

His words.

But I guess you have more first hand experience of what he ate than he did.

I have first-hand experience of the mindset. It's the "laugh through my torment to spite my tormentors" mindset. Been there.

[Captain.Sassy]

From clairvoyance to mindreading...

[Arcade22]

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the point

Our consumerist society is so wasteful that he can eat great food just by going through what is discarded by restaurants.

Then why don't you move to Somalia? I hear the weather is great at this time of the year.

[Captain.Sassy]

hahaha

really?

C'mon man you can do better than that.

"I think marriage is a useful social institution."

"Well then why don't you go to taleban held areas of pashtunistan? I hear they behead adulterers there. You'd love it."



Give me a break.

[Checkmite]

Yeah yeah, okay - sorry your friend got pwned. Doesn't change the fact that's what happened.

[Captain.Sassy]

What are you, 12?

Good grief man.

[Checkmite]

You really need to calm down. You're awfully high-strung. This is a forum on the internet.

[Ernie M]

Originally Posted by Ernie M

There's probably a good reason the video mentioned in the OP has been removed for "Use Violation." Whatever was portrayed was most likely not factual, or accurate.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8df_1254082665&c=1

You be the judge comrade.


Captain.Sassy:

Just what do you think you see in the video?

Please read (and understand) the following so you don't remain a naive and ignorant person.

IT WASN'T THE 'PITTSBURGH POLICE'
The title of the article in the OP (http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/28/kodac-and-kevlar-moment-video-appears-to-show-pittsburgh-police-during-g20-protests-using-an-arrested-citizen-as-a-prop-for-a-group-photo/); Kodak and Kevlar Moment: Video Appears to Show Pittsburgh Police During G20 Protests Using an Arrested Citizen as a Prop for a Group Photo erroneously mentions the Pittsburgh Police.

Fact: The officers who arrested Pitt student Kyle Kramer and appeared in a photo-documentation of his arrest, were from the Chicago Police Department.

Last week, Pittsburgh Police Chief Nate Harper said his office would not investigate the incident, but said the officers in the video were from the Chicago Police Department.

In a statement, he said "the photo that is being taken may be the Chicago PD's way of documenting the fact that they effected this arrest. If they were conducting any improper actions we would not condone this. Given this one singular photo we cannot determine what, if any, improper actions are taking place."

Read the entire article:
The reluctant poster boy (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09277/1003011-482.stm)

THE ARRESTED STUDENT WAS NOT A 'PROP'
Photo-documentation of an arrest can be standard operating procedure for a police department. It is not intended to belittle or humiliate.

But it appears someone with propaganda and an agenda in mind, put a spin on the word 'prop' by including it in the article's misleading title.

"FORCE THEM ON YOUR KNEES.." IS LIKELY A DISTORTION.
From Jonathan Turley's Web site (http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/28/kodac-and-kevlar-moment-video-appears-to-show-pittsburgh-police-during-g20-protests-using-an-arrested-citizen-as-a-prop-for-a-group-photo/):
I have never seen a group photo op with a perp. Moreover, you usually do not force them on your knees in front of them.

Do you see Pitt student Kyle Kramer being "forced" to his knees in the grainy video? How do you know he didn't get on his knees on his own volition? Just because he's seen kneeling, doesn't mean he was forced to kneel.

While I wasn't at the protests, it is my understanding that Mr. Kramer and others were given repeated warnings to disperse.

Again, please read the article about the arrested Pitt student Kyle Kramer:
The reluctant poster boy (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09277/1003011-482.stm)

[quixotecoyote]

Do you see Pitt student Kyle Kramer being "forced" to his knees in the grainy video? How do you know he didn't get on his knees on his own volition? Just because he's seen kneeling, doesn't mean he was forced to kneel.

Again, please read the article about the arrested Pitt student Kyle Kramer:
The reluctant poster boy (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09277/1003011-482.stm)

Perhaps it is you who should read the article:

Indeed, he said, "the only time I was really mad was when I was made to kneel like that. That made me mad. It was kind of a natural response, I guess."

[Captain.Sassy]

Captain.Sassy:

Just what do you think you see in the video?

Please read (and understand) the following so you don't remain a naive and ignorant person.

IT WASN'T THE 'PITTSBURGH POLICE'
The title of the article in the OP (http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/28/kodac-and-kevlar-moment-video-appears-to-show-pittsburgh-police-during-g20-protests-using-an-arrested-citizen-as-a-prop-for-a-group-photo/); Kodak and Kevlar Moment: Video Appears to Show Pittsburgh Police During G20 Protests Using an Arrested Citizen as a Prop for a Group Photo erroneously mentions the Pittsburgh Police.

Fact: The officers who arrested Pitt student Kyle Kramer and appeared in a photo-documentation of his arrest, were from the Chicago Police Department.



Read the entire article:
The reluctant poster boy (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09277/1003011-482.stm)

THE ARRESTED STUDENT WAS NOT A 'PROP'
Photo-documentation of an arrest can be standard operating procedure for a police department. It is not intended to belittle or humiliate.

But it appears someone with propaganda and an agenda in mind, put a spin on the word 'prop' by including it in the article's misleading title.

"FORCE THEM ON YOUR KNEES.." IS LIKELY A DISTORTION.
From Jonathan Turley's Web site (http://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/28/kodac-and-kevlar-moment-video-appears-to-show-pittsburgh-police-during-g20-protests-using-an-arrested-citizen-as-a-prop-for-a-group-photo/):


Do you see Pitt student Kyle Kramer being "forced" to his knees in the grainy video? How do you know he didn't get on his knees on his own volition? Just because he's seen kneeling, doesn't mean he was forced to kneel.

While I wasn't at the protests, it is my understanding that Mr. Kramer and others were given repeated warnings to disperse.

Again, please read the article about the arrested Pitt student Kyle Kramer:
The reluctant poster boy (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09277/1003011-482.stm)

Whether it was Chicago or Pittsburgh police is irrelevant.

gimme a break

yeah he's being force to his knees. It's clear in the video. He says also says so in the article you cited (but maybe didn't bother to read?)

gimme a break

Sure, cops take photos of people they arrest when they get them down to the station.

sure, if these were chicago cops MAYBE they would have to take his photo outside (though I can't fathom why they wouldn't take the photo at the pittsburgh cop shop)

but

20 cops lining up to mug for a photo with the guy on his knees??

gimme a break

[Ernie M]

Whether it was Chicago or Pittsburgh police is irrelevant.

gimme a break


Accuracy in reporting would lend credibility to an article.

I know I'm completely changing the context and severity of the issue, but how would you like it if an Internet article showed: "Captain.Sassy Accused of Abducting Elizabeth Smart," instead of having your name correctly attributed to the article, "Captain.Sassy Wins Bowling Tournament" ???

Let me know if you'd brush that off as "irrelevant."


yeah he's being force to his knees. It's clear in the video. He says also says so in the article you cited (but maybe didn't bother to read?)

gimme a break



Please let me know which computer/monitor you used to view the video to make the determination that "It's clear in the video," and whether or not you used any image-enhancing software to increase the detail.

How long did it take to "force" Mr. Kramer to his knees? It seems there might be a dissection of what the definition of "force" entails. You see him being forced to his knees- I don't.

Yes, Kramer said he was made to kneel. That's his perception and interpretation of the event. All I'm saying, due to the lack of detail in the video, and the short duration from his standing-to-kneeling, I don't see evidence of what I would consider being "forced" to kneel.



Sure, cops take photos of people they arrest when they get them down to the station.

sure, if these were chicago cops MAYBE they would have to take his photo outside (though I can't fathom why they wouldn't take the photo at the pittsburgh cop shop)

but

20 cops lining up to mug for a photo with the guy on his knees??

gimme a break

The police could take a photo on location in order to supplement the written arrest documentation such as date/time/location/direction facing/arresting officer(s)/charge(s). I don't know what camera(s) was/were used, but it could include geo-tagging. A geo-tagged photo (with GPS coordinates) could prove useful, even after someone is taken to a police station and officially booked (including photographed).

Yes, having so many police officers partake in an arrest photo seems out of the ordinary, considering a "typical" arrest might include just the arresting officer (or two?) But given the context that this pertained to a G-20 meeting...

[Captain.Sassy]

I don't see evidence of what I would consider being "forced" to kneel.


hahahaha

"hey guys maybe the composition of the shot would be better if I got down on my knees?"

"Yeah totally that looks great thanks guy you're the best!"
"NO PROBLEM BUDDIES!!! OKAY CHEESE!!!"

gtfo

[Checkmite]

gtfo

You first, noob. This is our house.

[WildCat]

You first, noob. This is our house.
You misspelled n00b.

[Checkmite]

You misspelled n00b.

pwn3d!!!

[Captain.Sassy]

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[Checkmite]

Oh - a rebus! "You geyser Far Side", right?

[INRM]

Does anybody have an answer to my question? Were the protestors actually anarchists? Or was that just a pejoritive lable used to make them look bad?

[oldhat]

Does anybody have an answer to my question? Were the protestors actually anarchists? Or was that just a pejoritive lable used to make them look bad?

Silly LIEbrul, to conservatives, all protesters are trust fund anarchists with no legitimate complaints about the targets of their protesters and they just want to break stuff and cause trouble, even though that didn't happen here.

You see, if you dismiss people as "anarchists" without supplying that pesky evidence, you don't have to actually listen to them!

[WildCat]

Silly LIEbrul, to conservatives, all protesters are trust fund anarchists with no legitimate complaints about the targets of their protesters and they just want to break stuff and cause trouble, even though that didn't happen here.

You see, if you dismiss people as "anarchists" without supplying that pesky evidence, you don't have to actually listen to them!
Tell us what the protestors want, you'll be the first one to do so.

[Checkmite]

Tell us what the protestors want, you'll be the first one to do so.

Indeed. The protestors themselves always seem to be too busy setting cars on fire and then complaining about being arrested to actually tell us what their original beef is.

[Arcade22]

Tell us what the protestors want, you'll be the first one to do so.

To fight the MAN and his evil henchmen of course!

I don't know where this video (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78a_1254915184) takes place but it seems to include rioting and an anarchist being hit by a car.

That driver should be given a medal for protecting the fatherland from these anarco-turds, because that's anti-terrorist activity right there.

[oldhat]

Tell us what the protestors want, you'll be the first one to do so.

http://resistg20.org/about-us

It took about 30 seconds on Google to find this and this is one of many groups at the G20 protest.

[WildCat]

http://resistg20.org/about-us

It took about 30 seconds on Google to find this and this is one of many groups at the G20 protest.
Hmmmm...


We support:

Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, racism, classism, homophobia, capitalism, imperialism and the state;
Resistance to the commodification of our shared and living Earth;
Organizing on the principles of decentralization, autonomy, sustainability, mutual aid and respect;
Opposition the police and prison-industrial complex, and maintaining solidarity with all targets of state repression;
The use of a diversity of tactics to directly confront systems of oppression by advocating forms of resistance which maximize respect for life and oppressed peoples’ rights, and to construct local alternatives to global capitalism.
So they're against everyone and everything? :confused:

Seriously, that's such a broad agenda that it's meaningless. As well as ridiculous.

[RandFan]

http://resistg20.org/about-us

It took about 30 seconds on Google to find this and this is one of many groups at the G20 protest.?

I read the link and I don't know what they want other than vague pie in the sky feel good nonsense.

[Checkmite]

We support:

* Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, racism, classism, homophobia, capitalism, imperialism and the state;

What about people who are into that sort of thing? They don't count?

* Resistance to the commodification of our shared and living Earth;

Uh...little late, don't you think?

* Organizing on the principles of decentralization, autonomy, sustainability, mutual aid and respect;

Because all people are boy scouts who will go out of their way to help their fellow man...

* Opposition the police and prison-industrial complex, and maintaining solidarity with all targets of state repression;

...like child molesters?

* The use of a diversity of tactics to directly confront systems of oppression by advocating forms of resistance which maximize respect for life and oppressed peoples’ rights, and to construct local alternatives to global capitalism.

Except the right to make a living selling what you make - that's not a real right. Nor the right to not have to pay thousands of dollars, potentially risking destitution, in order to replace something you own that was destroyed as an act of "speech". Because you shouldn't be allowed to own anything.