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jayman
30th September 2009, 11:19 AM
I find that PETA killing animals is hypocritical, but my friend has pointed out to me that there's a difference. There's a difference between killing an animal for food or sport and killing an animal because it's suffering or no one will adopt it.

Any thoughts on this?

cgordon
30th September 2009, 11:24 AM
Or, as in at least ONE case of PETA having killed animals in its care, because they became too expensive and inconvenient?

HeyLeroy
30th September 2009, 11:30 AM
for reference: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

ponderingturtle
30th September 2009, 11:31 AM
I find that PETA killing animals is hypocritical, but my friend has pointed out to me that there's a difference. There's a difference between killing an animal for food or sport and killing an animal because it's suffering or no one will adopt it.

Any thoughts on this?

How does PETA react to other animal shelters that kill animals?

GreNME
30th September 2009, 12:04 PM
I find that PETA killing animals is hypocritical, but my friend has pointed out to me that there's a difference. There's a difference between killing an animal for food or sport and killing an animal because it's suffering or no one will adopt it.

Any thoughts on this?

Yes: it's a false dichotomy to present that kind of argument. Those aren't the only two choices, not by a long shot. Otherwise groups like those I've affiliated with in the past would work so hard trying to move animals between cities and even between states to find them homes, let alone my personal experiences of having done the same (crossed state lines to pick up an animal in need to bring it to a place it could find a home).

In other words, that argument is complete BS and is one of the kinds of mentality within PETA and PETA supporters that I find morally reprehensible.

jayman
30th September 2009, 04:21 PM
Yes: it's a false dichotomy to present that kind of argument. Those aren't the only two choices, not by a long shot. Otherwise groups like those I've affiliated with in the past would work so hard trying to move animals between cities and even between states to find them homes, let alone my personal experiences of having done the same (crossed state lines to pick up an animal in need to bring it to a place it could find a home).

In other words, that argument is complete BS and is one of the kinds of mentality within PETA and PETA supporters that I find morally reprehensible.

I just want to be clear on what you're saying. Are you saying it's a false dichotomy if someone makes the argument,

"Killing an animal for sport or for meat is different than killing an animal because it's suffering or is not being adopted. It's OK to kill an animal if it's suffering, that's humane, but it's not OK to kill an animal for sport or meat, that's inhumane"?

GreNME
30th September 2009, 04:44 PM
I just want to be clear on what you're saying. Are you saying it's a false dichotomy if someone makes the argument,

"Killing an animal for sport or for meat is different than killing an animal because it's suffering or is not being adopted. It's OK to kill an animal if it's suffering, that's humane, but it's not OK to kill an animal for sport or meat, that's inhumane"?

I'm saying that the circumstances by which PETA kills animals do not leave the only choice as suffering or death. It's complete BS.

kerikiwi
30th September 2009, 11:29 PM
I'm saying that the circumstances by which PETA kills animals do not leave the only choice as suffering or death. It's complete BS.

In a large number of cases, that is, in fact, the only choice.
It is not possible to home all the unwanted animals.

jimtron
1st October 2009, 12:00 AM
The Peta article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals#Confli cts_with_other_activists) on Wikipedia seems to be pretty light on criticism.

Aepervius
1st October 2009, 12:58 AM
The Peta article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals#Confli cts_with_other_activists) on Wikipedia seems to be pretty light on criticism.

I assume PETA is against animal shelter AFAIK because they are against animal being used as pet. This is a little known "gem" but a true one. There is enough quote of the director of PETA about it. The only animal they see is a free one in an untouched ecological system (is there any of those left over the ground ? In deep sea maybe...).

Kahalachan
1st October 2009, 02:52 AM
I find that PETA killing animals is hypocritical, but my friend has pointed out to me that there's a difference. There's a difference between killing an animal for food or sport and killing an animal because it's suffering or no one will adopt it.

Any thoughts on this?

If PETA didn't speak out against animal shelters that did the exact same thing as PETA, they wouldn't be hypocritical.

They should just care for abused animals or animals with no homes and STFU with their preaching.

PETA : Genuine animal lovers :: Kent Hovind : the average Christian

Alareth
1st October 2009, 10:00 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I believe PETA was created with the sole purpose of discrediting and marginalizing legitimate animal rights supporters and activists.

oldhat
1st October 2009, 10:02 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I believe PETA was created with the sole purpose of discrediting and marginalizing legitimate animal rights supporters and activists.

How is PETA an illegitimate animal rights group?

jimtron
1st October 2009, 10:15 AM
I assume PETA is against animal shelter AFAIK because they are against animal being used as pet. This is a little known "gem" but a true one. There is enough quote of the director of PETA about it. The only animal they see is a free one in an untouched ecological system (is there any of those left over the ground ? In deep sea maybe...).

What's the source for this?

Cleon
1st October 2009, 10:18 AM
PETA's statement on pet ownership (http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp) is a bit wishy-washy and tries to have it both ways; they're not against pet ownership, they're just against the pet ownership "industry." :confused:

GreNME
1st October 2009, 10:18 AM
In a large number of cases, that is, in fact, the only choice.
It is not possible to home all the unwanted animals.

It's not as large a number as PETA attempts to make it out to be. As far as possibility to find homes for all animals, again that's a BS assertion because there doesn't have to be a perfect solution for there to be an eminently better one to what PETA performs.

Also, the "pet overpopulation" stories are often based on myth and poor statistical analysis-- hence people like those I mentioned who move animals between cities and even states to areas where there are higher likelihoods of finding homes for them.

jayman
1st October 2009, 04:52 PM
Is there any evidence on instances where PETA has attacked/criticized animal shelters for killing animals?

Lisa Simpson
1st October 2009, 05:01 PM
Is there any evidence on instances where PETA has attacked/criticized animal shelters for killing animals?

Watch P&T's episode on PETA. They protested the LA County Animal Shelter for killing animals and harassed the director, including showing up at his house.

GreNME
1st October 2009, 05:30 PM
Is there any evidence on instances where PETA has attacked/criticized animal shelters for killing animals?

Mention Nathan Winograd (http://www.nathanwinograd.com/) enough times and you stand a good chance of seeing PETA zealots get apoplectic.

jayman
1st October 2009, 06:24 PM
Mention Nathan Winograd (http://www.nathanwinograd.com/) enough times and you stand a good chance of seeing PETA zealots get apoplectic.

What does PETA have against Nathan Winograd?

GreNME
1st October 2009, 07:31 PM
What does PETA have against Nathan Winograd?

His ideas make PETA look like the stray-killing zealots they actually are.

Leif Roar
2nd October 2009, 12:41 AM
I find that PETA killing animals is hypocritical, but my friend has pointed out to me that there's a difference. There's a difference between killing an animal for food or sport and killing an animal because it's suffering or no one will adopt it.

Any thoughts on this?

There is a difference between killing an animal for food or for sport and killing an animal because it's suffering. However, PETA's position on the treatment of animals is so adamant and unnuanced that their killing of animals for whatever reason strikes me as hypocritical, regardless of that distinction.