This is Why WTC can not collapse!

[911kongen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9hnFPGxmVk

:D

[Sam.I.Am]

Bwaaaaahahaha!!!

Loose snow and 2x4's. All that's left is a couple of cardboard boxes and some chicken wire...

[JAStewart]

Oh man.

[akama1]

wtf. my brain, my beautiful brain. so damaged, screaming in pain. feel self getting dumber.

the fact this isn't a parody hurts bad

[NWOshill]

Loose Change An American Igloo :)

[TruthersLie]

ah....

So that explains the twoofs.
NO reading comprehension skills.
NO idea as to what SCALE is
NO hearing skills... are they all deaf?
Overinflated sense of self worth
Delusions of adequecy.

got it.

[Dave Rogers]

The stupid, it freezes!

Dave

[SpitfireIX]

Erm, I'm calling Poe's Law on this one.

[CHF]

That's as dumb as Judy Wood comparing the WTC to a tree.

Have truthers ever been inside a building? Why do they think buildings are solid masses?

[triforcharity]

Wow. That is about all I can say.

BTW, I posted a comment. NSFW though. I have a foul mouth.

I know, I know, big suprise there. Boston born firefighter with a foul mouth.

[Carlos]

OMG! Heiwa was right!

[Macgyver1968]

whomever made this video should be taken out back and have the stupid beat out of them.

Bahahahaa!!!! I think your arm might get tired, Tri, before you could be ALL the stupid out! :)

[Drudgewire]

No way that isn't a parody. No freakin way.

















Right? RIGHT?? :boggled:

[DGM]

This has got to be a spoof making fun of "truthers". Oh please tell me it is. :o

[Leviath]

I see one tiny problem with the experiment. There was no fire and I'm quite sure fire would have some sort of impact on that structure.

[triforcharity]

I dunno. I looked at his other videos that he has, and they look to be right up WeAreChange's alley. But, they aare in some other language, I am not sure which one it is. Maybe Russian??

I don't know if its a parody of not though

[triforcharity]

I see one tiny problem with the experiment. There was no fire and I'm quite sure fire would have some sort of impact on that structure.

No, No, No, Fire would NEVER cause a building to collapse. Just burn.
/Truthermode.

[Myriad]

I see one tiny problem with the experiment. There was no fire and I'm quite sure fire would have some sort of impact on that structure.


Another debunker snowman argument! The video proves the towers were brought down by some sort of packed powder.

I expect it will soon generate a flurry of interest in 9/11 Truth. A blizzard of protest and an avalanche of change will follow. It will be tough sledding for all the traitors. Soon they'll have nothing toboggan with.

Respectfully,
Myriad

ETA: Just watch out for all the flakes.

EATAA: It occurs to me that "Jason Berm-Ass" would be a perfect name for a snowman.

[triforcharity]

Another debunker snowman argument! The video proves the towers were brought down by some sort of packed powder.

I expect it will soon generate a flurry of interest in 9/11 Truth. A blizzard of protest and an avalanche of change will follow. It will be tough sledding for all the traitors. Soon they'll have nothing toboggan with.

Respectfully,
Myriad

HA HA!!!!!!!!!!! That is just too funny!! Thanks for the laughs!!

[Kritikos]

I dunno. I looked at his other videos that he has, and they look to be right up WeAreChange's alley. But, they aare in some other language, I am not sure which one it is. Maybe Russian??

I don't know if its a parody of not though

It's Finnish. But when I pasted the text from the side panel ("Virallinen teoria WTC-tornien painovoimaisesta sortumisesta ei ole fyysisesti mahdollinen!") into a Web translator, what I got was not very helpful: "Official theory WTC - turret painovoimaisesta sortumisesta no ole fyysisesti possible!"

I assumed that the video was satirical.

[Careyp74]

When is MYTHBUSTERS going to do a 9/11 episode? It will end all of this nonsense.

I can't wait to see Buster fly a 737 into a sky scraper. They have a couple of extra towers over there in Dubai that we could use.

[BigAl]

When is MYTHBUSTERS going to do a 9/11 episode? It will end all of this nonsense.

I can't wait to see Buster fly a 737 into a sky scraper. They have a couple of extra towers over there in Dubai that we could use.

;)

One of the guys was asked this a year ago and alluded to the problems of scaling as a reason why they wouldn't do the towers.

I think they did a big service to truth by doing the "1,000 pounds of thermite on an SUV" video.

[Careyp74]

;)

One of the guys was asked this a year ago and alluded to the problems of scaling as a reason why they wouldn't do the towers.

I think they did a big service to truth by doing the "1,000 pounds of thermite on an SUV" video.

screw scale, man. Next time there is going to be a demolition, let's get some planes in the air!

[jaydeehess]

screw scale, man. Next time there is going to be a demolition, let's get some planes in the air!

great idea.

However, just to be on the safe side let's find a tall building, constructed with long span floors, that is at least 600 feet from anything else(we only want damage to the building being demolished right?) and we need a plane that can deliver a comparable amount of liquid fire accelerant, and we also need to ensure that the combustibles in the building are on a similar scale to what was in the towers. If the former tenants wish to take their furnishings with them we can replace it with cheap stuff we pick up at garage sales. If they take their paper files with them too, we can always buy up a comparable amount of paper from a recycling depot.

So when do you start the search for the right building and the drive to obtain the funds to do this?

[Gnu World Order]

Erm, I'm calling Poe's Law on this one.

Second.

[Kritikos]

I had never heard of Poe's law before now, but by Googling it I found a very, um, interesting entry on it in Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/Poe's_law) -- a site that many people believe itself to be a parody. Here is the best part:

Poe's law is often used to mock conservatives and fundamentalists, based on its implicit assertion that fundamentalists and conservatives are so absurd as to be indistinguishable from parody. However, there is a fundamental flaw in this assertion. One might as well argue that genuine works of art are indistinguishable from cheap knockoffs, because some people are unable to distinguish between the two. Clearly, the cause of the mistake is not that the genuine article is no better than a mockery; rather, the cause of the mistake is that some people lack the critical thinking skills and/or experience to differentiate the two -- particularly in cases when an artist (or a parodist) goes to special efforts to emulate the genuine article.

See, it's only from a lack of critical thinking skills that some people mistake genuinely believing fools for mere sophisticated jokers.

[TruthersLie]

;)

One of the guys was asked this a year ago and alluded to the problems of scaling as a reason why they wouldn't do the towers.

I think they did a big service to truth by doing the "1,000 pounds of thermite on an SUV" video.

And I think they did a great service when they did the rocket sled hitting the aluminum car at 600 mph.. it shows that at that speed, there would be NOTHING left of an aluminum vehicle.. including a jet.

[cyclonic]

It's Finnish. But when I pasted the text from the side panel ("Virallinen teoria WTC-tornien painovoimaisesta sortumisesta ei ole fyysisesti mahdollinen!") into a Web translator, what I got was not very helpful: "Official theory WTC - turret painovoimaisesta sortumisesta no ole fyysisesti possible!"

I assumed that the video was satirical.

I sent the link along with this message to a finnish debunker friend:


can you translate this please : Virallinen teoria WTC-tornien painovoimaisesta sortumisesta ei ole fyysisesti mahdollinen!

is this guy joking or is he serious?

his reply:

'Virallinen teoria WTC-tornien painovoimaisesta sortumisesta ei ole fyysisesti mahdollinen!"
Official theory, the collapse of the WTC towers is not physically possible.

"is this guy joking or is he serious?"
Yes, he's crazy.

He also think that nuclear powerplants move rain and clouds.
He says in his vids that he has proof that the sky turns pink above every nuclear plant.
He says that nuclear plants burn peoples brains.
He wants to shut down every nuclear plant on the planet.
Even the Greenpeace hates him!

LOL.

So its NOT a parody!

[triforcharity]

Oh, Jesus, he actually BELIEVES that BS?? Lol......

[ElMondoHummus]

Soooo.... the lesson here is that the new tower should be built out of snow?? :confused: I dunno about you, but I wanna be watching the next round of Cardigan-like tests when they start using that material. :D

[Furcifer]

Seems appropriate:

http://i36.tinypic.com/ayumtt.jpg

[orson]

Humor laced with truth. Good. But never mind this film. . .three buildings coming down, and one never hit by a plane? Please! Ask an honest lawyer (as rare as rocking horse manure): you go by the evidence, not whether you believe that it could have happened. There was a time when people couldn't fathom how the moon stayed in place. (Actually, talk to a high school senior today and you'll get a bewildered anwer to that question) Thermate chips were found in the wreckage, folks! Molten iron in the basement! Did the CIA fund death squads in Central America? Yes. Did Ollie North and his bunch of heroes engineer the selling of drugs in the inner cities to buy Contra guns? Yes. Did the Bush administration lie and get us into a war, and kill millions? Yes. Why is 911, the inside job, such a problem for you propagandized sheep?
In 1968 10 million Frenchmen (1/4 of the population at that time) took to the streets for reforms, and got them. The French gov. is afraid of its people, the way it should be. A rebellion in the US would be a bloody civil war. We have been divided, and therefor easily conquered. Before it's too late, we better start looking out for the little guy and not corporate America. See you at the barricades!

[Grizzly Bear]

The video is laughable... and completely oblivious to any scientific approach...

[911kongen]

Do you think its okay to kill Obama?

[Myriad]

Humor laced with truth. Good. But never mind this film. . .three buildings coming down, and one never hit by a plane? Please! Ask an honest lawyer (as rare as rocking horse manure): you go by the evidence, not whether you believe that it could have happened. There was a time when people couldn't fathom how the moon stayed in place. (Actually, talk to a high school senior today and you'll get a bewildered anwer to that question) Thermate chips were found in the wreckage, folks! Molten iron in the basement! Did the CIA fund death squads in Central America? Yes. Did Ollie North and his bunch of heroes engineer the selling of drugs in the inner cities to buy Contra guns? Yes. Did the Bush administration lie and get us into a war, and kill millions? Yes. Why is 911, the inside job, such a problem for you propagandized sheep?
In 1968 10 million Frenchmen (1/4 of the population at that time) took to the streets for reforms, and got them. The French gov. is afraid of its people, the way it should be. A rebellion in the US would be a bloody civil war. We have been divided, and therefor easily conquered. Before it's too late, we better start looking out for the little guy and not corporate America. See you at the barricades!


Are those little guys you're so concerned with the same ones who are confused about the moon when they're high school seniors? (They must be, it's not like ordinary people's understanding of science gets any better after high school.)

So, you're saying we should look out for the little guy because he's ignorant?

Have you considered that maybe corporate America actually knows what holds the moon up, and so they're the ones we should be looking out for?

Respectfully,
Myriad

[ElMondoHummus]

Humor laced with truth. Good. But never mind this film. . .three buildings coming down, and one never hit by a plane? Please!

That's so funny... it was hit by something bigger than a plane. It was hit by a freakin' 110 storey skyscraper!

This, as well as the video, has got to be a Poe's Law post. It just has to be.

[AJM8125]

When is MYTHBUSTERS going to do a 9/11 episode? It will end all of this nonsense.

I can't wait to see Buster fly a 737 into a sky scraper. They have a couple of extra towers over there in Dubai that we could use.

I'd like to see that too, but sadly, the Mythbusters aren't interested it seems.

Please refrain from posting any show ideas that are 9/11 related. These are inappropriate because they are emotionally charged and cause discord among the members of the board.

This includes but is not limited to -

Planes crashing into buildings
Jet fuel melting steel beams
Cell communication on an air plane.

Again these are EXAMPLES and NOT INCLUSIVE of the ideas extrapolated from conspiracy theories. These topics are not going to be tested on the show.

Thank you for your cooperation on this subject.

MythMod

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5261919888/m/3131910879

[WildCat]

Humor laced with truth. Good. But never mind this film. . .three buildings coming down, and one never hit by a plane? Please! Ask an honest lawyer (as rare as rocking horse manure): you go by the evidence, not whether you believe that it could have happened. There was a time when people couldn't fathom how the moon stayed in place. (Actually, talk to a high school senior today and you'll get a bewildered anwer to that question) Thermate chips were found in the wreckage, folks! Molten iron in the basement! Did the CIA fund death squads in Central America? Yes. Did Ollie North and his bunch of heroes engineer the selling of drugs in the inner cities to buy Contra guns? Yes. Did the Bush administration lie and get us into a war, and kill millions? Yes. Why is 911, the inside job, such a problem for you propagandized sheep?
In 1968 10 million Frenchmen (1/4 of the population at that time) took to the streets for reforms, and got them. The French gov. is afraid of its people, the way it should be. A rebellion in the US would be a bloody civil war. We have been divided, and therefor easily conquered. Before it's too late, we better start looking out for the little guy and not corporate America. See you at the barricades!
Awesome! Go get 'em tiger! All you need now is facts, evidence, a clue, and more than the most gullible 1% of the population to believe you.

[TruthersLie]

blah blah blah

either

1http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/500/Sock-Puppet--944.jpg


or
2 someone who just saw dylans latest flop...

Hmmm... i think it is #1

[Arus808]

When is MYTHBUSTERS going to do a 9/11 episode? It will end all of this nonsense.

I can't wait to see Buster fly a 737 into a sky scraper. They have a couple of extra towers over there in Dubai that we could use.


aslo the fact that they've explicitly stated that they will never do anything that would test the "theories" of 9/11.

on their official fan board, all 9/11 threads are ultimately closed and thrown into the bit bucket

[TruthersLie]

I'd like to see that too, but sadly, the Mythbusters aren't interested it seems.

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5261919888/m/3131910879

It isn't that they aren't interested.

In an interview they did like 2 years ago they go into why they WON'T do an episode.

One of the biggest reasons is due to scaling. And Ryan Mackey talked directly about this in his Hardfire: Physics of 9/11 videos. As you scale down your experiment you get into ALL kinds of problems with how materials behave. It would be a NIGHTMARE to try to do most of them.

And of course NatGeo just did a great job trying to debunk a lot of twoof claims.. and notice how the twoofs reacted to that... Even if mythbusters did an episode completely destroying the 9/11 twoof movement, they wouldn't believe it.. any more than they did of Penn and Teller's debunking.

[AJM8125]

It isn't that they aren't interested.

In an interview they did like 2 years ago they go into why they WON'T do an episode.

One of the biggest reasons is due to scaling. And Ryan Mackey talked directly about this in his Hardfire: Physics of 9/11 videos. As you scale down your experiment you get into ALL kinds of problems with how materials behave. It would be a NIGHTMARE to try to do most of them.

And of course NatGeo just did a great job trying to debunk a lot of twoof claims.. and notice how the twoofs reacted to that... Even if mythbusters did an episode completely destroying the 9/11 twoof movement, they wouldn't believe it.. any more than they did of Penn and Teller's debunking.

Right. Not uninterested in the apathetic sense, but rather in the "ain't gonna happen" sense.

And just for the record, I thought the NatGeo show sucked. There's been far better debunking on this board, IMO, and they were waaaaaaay too soft on Avery, Gage & Griffin.

[dropzone]

So when do you start the search for the right building and the drive to obtain the funds to do this?Your problem is you are thinking too fancy. Osama bin Laden did for the price of a few one-way tickets. :eek:

[Brattus]

I don't know about anyone else.
But when that dude walked up and shoved that wooded plane into the snow block I was reliving 9/11 all over again.

[Grizzly Bear]

I don't know about anyone else.
But when that dude walked up and shoved that wooded plane into the snow block I was reliving 9/11 all over again.

I didn't feel that way, but videos like these feel like very badly placed parodies. It's a little funny to see them hurling themselves into snow to "demonstrate a point" even though it's a bluntly stupid experiment, but in context its not very funny at all...

There are appropriate ways to make a point, this wasn't one of them...

[orson]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

[triforcharity]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

Huh?? You been in the saauce tonight???

[TokenMac]

DELETED

Whats the point

[WildCat]

I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?
Because generally when "scholars" and engineers and sciency-types come up with some ground-breaking theory they do it in a respected peer-reviwed science journal, and not via youtube.

So far, truthers have exactly zero articles pubished in a peer-reviwed science or engineering journal.

Don't you wonder why that is?

[TruthersLie]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers,

Oh the AETwoof crowd. Ok. How many licensed AND degreed engineers and architects do they have on their petition? Look it up... It is about 1/2 of what they list.

why to twoofs lie?


Scholars,


Like David Griffin? A scholar who has a PhD in Theology. so unless GOD did it, he is WAY OUTSIDE of his scholarly specalities. (look at his debunking 911 debunking, and then read Ryan Mackyes smack down for over 150 outright falsehoods. GREAT scholarly work)
Or do you mean Judy Woods who things DEATH RAYS FROM OUTERSPACE did it
Or do you mean Kevin Ryan who was FIRED for LYING about what his company did, and then was so incompetent in his lawsuit he couldn't meet a simple deadline?
That group?


pilots

Oh the PFT group which has FAKED maps, and has produced FALSE information and LIED about the FDR from flight 77. That group?


physicists


You mean Steven Jones right? A man who was FORCED to RETIRE or be FIRED by BYU for ethical breaches and using BYU's resources inapproprately? The same S. Jones who LIED about a photograph to support his "thermite" theory?

Those are your folks?


etc have been piling up evidence left and right.

Such as? What evidence? So far, we have handwaving, and bs. That isn't evidence.

Please provide some. I"d love to see it.


I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?


Dismissed outright? nope. Each BS claim has been examined and found lacking of basic things like research, facts or evidence.

Of course, when you are a liar people often don't believe you anymore.


The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking.


Conflating issues. The government keeps secrets... that is what they do. Conflating issues does not equal an inside jobby job.

This is the same government that can't keep a BJ in the oval office private. The same group which couldn't keep watergate secret, the same government which pays $100 for a hammer, and$500 for a toilet seat... yet they can have a conspiracy of tens of thousands w/out a single leak... absolutely amazing.


Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled.

Blah blah blah. Or as RedIbis says, "your story has been exposed as a fabrication."


Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe.

You really should look them up beyond youtube and CT webpages... really.


There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5.

GREAT. Then prove it. We will wait. I mean if you have such great evidence, take it to the Hague, or any independent journalist in the WORLD. I mean if you have it, take it to the UN, or even better give it to IRAN, Venezuela or Russia... They'd put it all over the place.

[Hokulele]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right.


Such as?

I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it.


You mean, other than Spain (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/08/spain.terror/index.html).

Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.


Examples?

[AJM8125]

I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled.

You could have saved your money and learned about prejudice here in the US for free. Here's the first lesson: It works both ways, pal.

You're welcome.

[cyclonic]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

Explain why "Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc" ignore these two indisputable facts.

1. demolition charges make very LOUD explosions, in every demolition recorded in history the LOUD KABOOMS are recorded clearly.
there is no such thing as quiet explosives, there were no series of loud explosions recorded by the countless film crews and private videos on 9/11/01.

2. thermite cannot cut a vertical column, it cannot defy gravity and it burns slow and as bright as an arc welder, if there was 10 - 100 tonnes of it burning in the towers as the idiot niels harrit claims, the whole world would know thermite brought the towers down on that day, 9-11-01, it would be so obvious even some legaly blind people would see the light.

the towers were not blown up or collapsed from an office furniture fire,the collapses started where the plane fuselages piled up along with half the floors contents and burned out of control heating up the steel.
it was no ordinary office fire, go study airplane fires.

richard gage claimed the smoke from wtc7 was caused by "negative pressure" and that the smoke was coming from wtc6!
he might as well said WTC7 SUCKS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4

@5.15 MINUTES.

richars gage heads AE911TRUTH, only stupid people would join such a dumb organisation.

[Scott Sommers]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

"Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day" What? What protest groups? I watch their videos and I only see 6 people. There is no protest. Maybe you're right and there are bazillions of professional demolitions experts, structural engineers, and others who are out there "asking questions". None of them protest about this.

In case you missed the news, a major American government official was fired because many years ago he signed a 911 petition. And that was the end of that. No one took to the streets to protest the injustice - not even the 911 Truth groups themselves. There was no protest. There is no protest. There will never be any protest or anger beyond the borders of a handful of loonies who make up these groups.

[apathoid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9hnFPGxmVk

:D


Uh-oh. Spooked911 has some competition. Can't wait to see more from this guy! :popcorn1

But I almost feel guilty laughing at the expense of a mental deficient. It's got me wondering how a person(who apparently can operate a video camera, edit video, and then upload it) can possibly be so dumb?

[apathoid]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright? The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled. Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.


Leave the bluster and innuendo at your local echo-chamber. Bring facts and evidence here. Welcome to the forums.

[McHrozni]

I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?

Because their 'discoveries' are either blatant falsehoods, or so seriously flawed as to be indistinguishable from blatant falsehoods. It's not dismissed without a good reason, and that reason is always stated.
Happy now? Is your honest curiosity satisfied now, or do you need a few examples to go?

McHrozni

[Brattus]

I didn't feel that way, but videos like these feel like very badly placed parodies. It's a little funny to see them hurling themselves into snow to "demonstrate a point" even though it's a bluntly stupid experiment, but in context its not very funny at all...

There are appropriate ways to make a point, this wasn't one of them...

I...uh...didn't feel that way either.
Did I actually have to type this?

[Grizzly Bear]

I...uh...didn't feel that way either.
Did I actually have to type this?

For the record the "this wasn't one of them" referred to the video and its participants... not you... in case that's how you read it... Sorry if it caused any confusion...

[Dave Rogers]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?

It isn't. It's carefully studied, analysed in detail, found to be based on misinterpretations, misconceptions, misrepresentations or just plain outright lies, its reasoning found to be fatally flawed, and the technical understanding of the aforementioned scholars, pilots, physicists etc. found to be in areas largely irrelevant to those in which they make their pronouncements, which is largely reflected in the invalid premises and flawed logic.

Then it's dismissed.

Dave

[mythstifieD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9hnFPGxmVk

:D

You're guilty of the "snow man" fallacy :P

[jaydeehess]

great idea.

However, just to be on the safe side let's find a tall building, constructed with long span floors, that is at least 600 feet from anything else(we only want damage to the building being demolished right?) and we need a plane that can deliver a comparable amount of liquid fire accelerant, and we also need to ensure that the combustibles in the building are on a similar scale to what was in the towers. If the former tenants wish to take their furnishings with them we can replace it with cheap stuff we pick up at garage sales. If they take their paper files with them too, we can always buy up a comparable amount of paper from a recycling depot.

So when do you start the search for the right building and the drive to obtain the funds to do this?

Your problem is you are thinking too fancy. Osama bin Laden did for the price of a few one-way tickets. :eek:

Well, if you are unconcerned about collateral damage, sure.

Best bet then; we declare war on a country that has a few 1970's vintage tall structures and test it out with , say, an old 707.

[Brainache]

Well, if you are unconcerned about collateral damage, sure.

Best bet then; we declare war on a country that has a few 1970's vintage tall structures and test it out with , say, an old 707.

Look out Canada, JDH is looking to do some "Experamenting" and he aint too fussed about none of your "ethical niceties"...

[ElMondoHummus]

You're guilty of the "snow man" fallacy :P

(*Groan*)! http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=157&pictureid=1618

[mythstifieD]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?

They're very thouroughly debunked if you care to actually look. Furthermore.... architects, engineers, scholars, and physicists.. and the best they can do is a single (and poor, IMO) article about mythical nano-thermite that they couldn't even directly test.

I'm honestly curious why they don't have a zillion peer reviewed articles, instead of a zillion blogs?

The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why? I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled.

1. A consensus of teachers, two scientists, musicians (??), restaurant owners (??) make it very clear that Americans are gullible.
2. The Gov has taken advantage of this gullibility in the past.
3. Therefore, 911 was an inside job.

Solid. You converted me back!

Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it. Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe. There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5. If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

Well, it's obvious that Dylan Avery is CIA. They love to hire college kids. Some amateur just HAPPENED to make one of the most popular videos online for awhile? He gives them away for free but somehow hasn't die of starvation? Who's bankrolling him? Don't be so gullible! Loose Change is an Inside Job!

(Mmm, it's fun to speculate with no facts)

[jaydeehess]

Look out Canada, JDH is looking to do some "Experamenting" and he aint too fussed about none of your "ethical niceties"...

now, now, I can't take credit for dropzone's suggestion. I was only contributing to his senario.:D

For that matter where is Careyp74, this was orginally his idea.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

He says that nuclear plants burn peoples brains.


lol! Wow!

[jaydeehess]

........ Loose Change is an Inside Job!



Its late... I first read that as "Loose Change is an Invisible Job!":D

[beachnut]

(Google and YouTube it) ... That is what you did with incredibly poor results.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Respectfully also...Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?
Of course, those "architects and engineers, scholars, pilots, physicists etc" couldn't just be some dip**** registering a domain name with GoDaddy.com for a few bucks a month. No way, those websites and YouTube videos have to be the only legitimate source for the truth that George Bush tried to pass off a controlled demolition as a fire-induced progressive collapse. I'm sure all the truther websites' claims go through a thorough examination and extensive peer-review process. It couldn't be some overzealous jackass trying to make a few bucks off gullible morons by selling DVDs and t-shirts; that would just be ridiculous.

[Infoexcavator]

This guy is unbelievable! I was looking around with his name Vesa Noroviita and I dont know if this is a performance or mental illness. He for example demanded to be photographed nude for an article and he ran for member of the parliament. http://www.styrge.com/ this is his webpage, it has all sorts of pertinent information about chemtrails and nuclear pollution.

[matt.tansy]

The video has to be a parody. My brain cannot absorb that much stupidity and continue to process the possibility that it is serious.

[Travis]

Do you think its okay to kill Obama?

Please explain the rationale behind this question or have it discarded as a non-sequitur.

Architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right. I'm honestly curious as to why all that they discover is just dismissed outright?

What "evidence" they've piled up to date is that: victims lists do not list hijackers, that the Pentagon does not have plasma cannons defending it, that anyone taking pictures of mushroom clouds in Pennsylvania needs to be harassed for no reason, that ambiguously described molten metals may have been present at the bottom of a natural blast furnace, that a Pratt & Whitney plant that does not make the engines for Boeing 757's confirmed the engines at the Pentagon did not come from their plant, that stacked cardboard boxes falling over will fall somewhat like stacked cardboard boxes falling over, that saying "clunkity clunk" 93 times in a row makes you look like a flipping idiot, that the 1st down marker in NFL telecasts is not evidence of real time photorealistic CGI in live television news broadcasts, that many people in the Muslim-Arab world have similar names, that affixing "nano" to anything instantly makes it all "conspiratorial" sounding, that minuscule amounts of aluminum-iron oxide III may have been found in an apartment's dust that may have been near the WTC site weeks after cleanup activities started and, finally, that no one died in the attacks at all!

Yeah, those "architects and engineers, Scholars, pilots, physicists etc have been piling up evidence left and right." Are you still curious about why we dismiss most of what they say?

The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking.

The government believes in gravity! Quick, should I now carry around grappling hooks in case I suddenly start falling up?

Why?

Because what the government presents is going to be judged on it's own merits in the same way all evidence is. Assuming it to be untrue is a bias every bit as perverse as accepting it without question.

I've spent some time in Europe over the past few years and have talked to teachers, a scientist of two, musicians, restaurant owners. . .many walks of life. The general consensus I ran into is that, in their view, Americans are incredibly gullible and coddled.

Well, I guess that settles that. The general "American consensus" is that those Europeans are a bunch of pretentious hippies that hate bathing. I guess we can declare that as a "fact" now that we subscribe to stereotypes as undeniable truths.

Europeans admit their governments are guilty of propaganda too, but the difference is: they don't believe it.

So they are the ones carrying around the grappling hooks for when gravity fails.

Operation Gladio, for instance, is well known (Google and YouTube it)in Europe.

Operation Gladio is also well known in the US. That it was rooted out and exposed is evidence of......what? That they have investigation units? We rooted out and exposed McVeigh's band of merry race war soldiers. Do we credit for that?

There is plenty of evidence that terrorist attacks were engineerred by elements of the CIA and MI5.

Such as......?

If you're waitning for a confession. . . . Infiltration of protest groups goes on to this very day.

Irrelevant even if true.

[Mongrel]

The government has deceived us over and over in the past and this fact has no effect on your thinking. Why?

Because there's a big difference between;

"I know the government will frame, spin and massage 'the truth' to make themselves look good"

and

"The government lie about everything, therefore they planned and executed 9/11!"

[Edx]

I love it. Im going to make a video eventually with clips of various truther "models", should be funny.