International net closes around those accused of war crimes in Israeli government

[E.J.Armstrong]

'...Israeli minister and former military chief Moshe Yaalon cancelled a UK visit because of fears of arrest for alleged war crimes, his office says. ...'

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8290554.stm

The article goes on to say: -
'...Mr Yaalon, who is vice prime minister and strategic affairs minister, had been invited to attend a charity dinner held by the Jewish National Fund's UK branch.
But his spokesman, Alon Ofek-Arnon, confirmed that the foreign ministry's legal team had advised against it.
Israeli media reported that the advisers believed Mr Yaalon would not be accorded diplomatic immunity - in contrast to Defence Minister Ehud Barak who visited the Labour Party Conference in Brighton without interference. ...'


Happily the international net is now tightening ever tighter around those accused of war crimes in Palestine. None of the accused perpetrators is going to be able to be free from attempts to bring them to justice for the rest of their lives. The message to all the perpetrators of the many atrocities is clear - Stay in Israel/Gaza if you don't want to be tried for war crimes you have committed.

If you come to the EU you will stand trial. You cannot avoid it any more.

[WildCat]

The birthers will succeed in getting Obama removed from the Presidency before that happens.

[Darth Rotor]

If you come to the EU you will stand trial. You cannot avoid it any more.
How nice, they stop going to the EU, and instead come and spend their tourist dollars in Rio, the US, Mexico, Panama, El Salvador, Argentina.

Great news for the New World and its tourism industry.

EJ, I am also pleased to see that you confess your Eurocratism openly and fully. You'll make a good Belgian out of yourself yet!

DR

[E.J.Armstrong]

The birthers will succeed in getting Obama removed from the Presidency before that happens.
You seem to think the world begins and ends in the USA - it doesn't.

Sooner or later the guilty men will visit the EU. They might as well give themselves up now so that they can be tried before they are arrested crossing into the EU.

[Darth Rotor]

Sooner or later the guilty men will visit the EU. .
It appears from your own evidence that your assumption is incorrect. At least one has chosen not to bother visiting a hostile neighborhood.

They might as well give themselves up now so that they can be tried before they are arrested crossing into the EU
They may as well head to Rio, where the people are friendly, the babes are beautiful, and the Olympics will be held ... not in the EU. ;)

DR

[E.J.Armstrong]

How nice, they stop going to the EU, and instead come and spend their tourist dollars in Rio, the US, Mexico, Panama, El Salvador, Argentina.

Great news for the New World and its tourism industry.

EJ, I am also pleased to see that you confess your Eurocratism openly and fully. You'll make a good Belgian out of yourself yet!

DR

You seem to want to welcome people accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity into the USA. Odd. Does that just apply to those who come from the countries you like?

You also seem to be saying that there is something wrong with being Belgian. There isn't. They didn't give the world 'freedom fries' so clearly they are on the side of the righteous.

I am proud to be European as I am sure you are to be Usan. I have absolutely no desire to be or ever have been a Usan even though some of my wider family are proud Usans. I just think they are the losers when the flying spaghetti monster allocated people to all the world's different countries. No doubt they feel the same about Ukans.

I urge the USA to start to arrest people accused of crimes against humanity and war crimes, after all that is what some international treaties oblige you to do - is it not? letting torturers wander around free and easy, as the US is doing, flouts your obligations under international treaty including the Convention Against Torture.

[Darth Rotor]

You seem to want to welcome people accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity into the USA.
Being accused of something isn't the same as being convicted, now is it? It isn't over here, and I don't think it is in the UK. We are aware that some accusations are political footballs lobbed into the air to see who will try to catch them.

Some aren't.

Can you tell the difference?

DR

[E.J.Armstrong]

It appears from your own evidence that your assumption is incorrect. At least one has chosen not to bother visiting a hostile neighborhood. Indeed one coward has run away. Just give them time. Human rights lawyers will be waiting


They may as well head to Rio, where the people are friendly, the babes are beautiful, and the Olympics will be held ... not in the EU. ;)

DR

Indeed, the USA suffered from shock and awe again, what with Chicago being thrown out so early from the competition. I am very happy Brazil got the games. We will be working to ensure that any athlete, coach or government minister involved in organising terrorist massacres such as Operation Cast White Phosphorus and who have been accused of participating in war crimes or crimes against humanity will be arrested on arrival in Brazil by the Brazilian authorities should they try to enter the country.

The net is tightening around the guilty men at an ever increasing pace, no matter how many countries support them and try to provide them with a hiding place from the law.

Sooner or later they will be arrested and tried for their crimes.

Happy days indeed.

[oldhat]

Why do Eurolefties have such a hard-on for Israel?

[E.J.Armstrong]

Being accused of something isn't the same as being convicted, now is it? It isn't over here, and I don't think it is in the UK. We are aware that some accusations are political footballs lobbed into the air to see who will try to catch them.

Some aren't.

Can you tell the difference?

DR

You do understand the obligations the USA has under international treaty don't you? If your country will not fulfil its international obligations then other countries will do so in your place.

If Moshe Yaalon was innocent of any crime why then did he run away so quickly? In doing so he follows in the disreputable footsteps of General Almog, another cowardly Israeli ex military man who took fright and ran away from justifying his actions in London.

I am only interested in putting the guilty men behind bars and Moshe Yaalon and Almog and Barack and Livni and all responsible Hamas commanders will all eventually stand trial and answer for their actions whether you and the US government like it or not.

[E.J.Armstrong]

Why do Eurolefties have such a hard-on for Israel?

Would you care to address the topic of the thread?

Pip pip.

[WildCat]

Why do Eurolefties have such a hard-on for Israel?
Oh it's not anti-semitism, no no no... :rolleyes:

[Bill Thompson]

Happily the international net is now tightening ever tighter around those accused of war crimes in Palestine. None of the accused perpetrators is going to be able to be free from attempts to bring them to justice for the rest of their lives. The message to all the perpetrators of the many atrocities is clear - Stay in Israel/Gaza if you don't want to be tried for war crimes you have committed.

If you come to the EU you will stand trial. You cannot avoid it any more.

The only "crime" is excessive use of firepower. So would Truman be guilty of war crimes for the atomic bombs in Japan? You could argue against that by saying that the extensive cruelity of those bombs saved lives in the end. And would McAuthor be guilty of war crimes in North Korea. Probably so. But he had a job to do and get it done quickly.

The business of war is to get the war over with. It is not the business of war to just use the right amount of force and then home the enemy won't come back.

In the end, it is more cruel to play the war game with a delicate hand. This only leads to a war that lasts for decades and hundreds of thousands of people die, like in Vietnam.

The bitter truth is that peace is obtained through superior firepower.

[oldhat]

Would you care to address the topic of the thread?

Pip pip.

There's nothing off topic about my question.

You seem to have a special place in your hearts for "war crimes" in Israel but couldn't care less about millions dead in Congo.

I don't think it's anti-Semitism, but that could be part of it. I think it's the idea on the left that Israel is the last colony (as if Israel isn't a sovereign state) in the American empire and must be smashed for that reason. I think it's anti-Americanism more than anything else.

[Darth Rotor]

Indeed, the USA suffered from shock and awe again, what with Chicago being thrown out so early from the competition.
You are beginning to become a parody of yourself. Be careful, pip pip!
I am very happy Brazil got the games.
As am I.

[WildCat]

I wonder when these non-antisemitic British will demand the arrest some Russian generals for what must be war crimes in Chechnya? Or Syrian generals for the Hama shelling?

Oh, wait, they're not Jews. nvm

[Marc39]

Your OP is misleading. The British government is not seeking to try Israelis on war crimes. Pro-Palestinian groups are. Yawn.

[E.J.Armstrong]

Oh it's not anti-semitism, no no no... :rolleyes:

The Zionist argument in full.

Thanks for sharing.

Now are you going to actually discuss the topic of the thread or going to carry on trying to derail threads about Israel Thats all Zionists want to do on this site.

[E.J.Armstrong]

The only "crime" is excessive use of firepower. That is indeed a war crime. You do realise that the US prosecuted people in the Second World war for crimes against humanity don't you.


The business of war is to get the war over with. It is not the business of war to just use the right amount of force and then home the enemy won't come back. That is utter nonsense. Have you heard of the geneva Conventions. They deal with the conduct of war.

In the end, it is more cruel to play the war game with a delicate hand. This only leads to a war that lasts for decades and hundreds of thousands of people die, like in Vietnam.

The bitter truth is that peace is obtained through superior firepower.Once again utter rubbish. Israel invaded Gaza to conduct a massacre on innocent. The IDf was egged on by Israel's foreign Minister at the time Livni and by IDF chaplins and the massacre was duly carried out including the murder of hundreds of children.

Don't forget the world watched as Israel fired thousands of white phosphorous shells into civilian areas and destroyed enormous numbers of factories and official buildings and is watching as Israel treats innocent Palestinians as animals as we speak.

If Israeli ministers and generals have done nothing wrong and nothing to be afraid of why are they running away like cowards?

The reality is that the international net is closing around the guilty people faster and faster. The wonderful thing is that all the guilty people will be wanted for the rest of their lives, whether you support their actions or not.

[Thunder]

Israel can't commit war-crimes. It is anti-Semitic to suggest such.

[E.J.Armstrong]

There's nothing off topic about my question.

You seem to have a special place in your hearts for "war crimes" in Israel but couldn't care less about millions dead in Congo.

I don't think it's anti-Semitism, but that could be part of it. I think it's the idea on the left that Israel is the last colony (as if Israel isn't a sovereign state) in the American empire and must be smashed for that reason. I think it's anti-Americanism more than anything else.

Once again we have a zionist supporter claiming anti-semitism because the actions of Israel are being discussed. Don't you realise how derided that sort of claim is now? Obviously not. The implication of your allegations is that to be semitic is to be in favour of the human rights abuse of Palestinians and that is utter nonsense and utterly offensive but is an argument often rolled out by die hard Zionists.

The facts are that thousands of people, including hundreds of children were massacred by the IDF. That sort of human rights abuse is what is leading to the attempts to arrest the guilty men. And they will be arrested in due course - then they will be given every opportunity to put their case in court and they will be sentenced accordingly.

This thread is about the human rights abuses of Israel and its army. If you want to start a thread about any other crisis feel free. No-one is stopping you but trying to derail a thread about Israel is now a familiar Zionist behaviour on this site.

I guess if you had one iota of evidence to support your claims you would have posted it but I notice you haven't posted any, so I guess you have none.

[E.J.Armstrong]

You are beginning to become a parody of yourself. Be careful, pip pip!



When you have no rational argument to provide - hurl personal abuse.
Thanks for sharing.

PS
If the US does not want to keep on suffering from shock and awe from the rest of the world why not try treating the rest of the world with some respect (as Obama and Stanley luckily seem to have started to recognise)?

Pip pip.

[E.J.Armstrong]

I wonder when these non-antisemitic British will demand the arrest some Russian generals for what must be war crimes in Chechnya? Or Syrian generals for the Hama shelling?

Oh, wait, they're not Jews. nvm

Here is a Zionist at work. Rather than debate the topic of the thread here he/she is trying to derail it by claiming anti-semitism at every opportunity.

It's really quite simple. If you want to start a thread about any other area feel free. No-one is stopping you. Hurling charges of anti-semitism at every opportunity is just making your 'arguments' look very silly and bereft of anything rational to put forward as to why Israeli government ministers are frightened to stand up for their own actions.

This thread is about human rights abuses by the Israeli government. Have you anything to contribute to this debate other than personal abuse?

[WildCat]

The Zionist argument in full.

Thanks for sharing.

Now are you going to actually discuss the topic of the thread or going to carry on trying to derail threads about Israel Thats all Zionists want to do on this site.
When will you demand that Russian government and military officials be charged with war crimes over Chechnya? Or Syrians over Hama? Or the Chinese over their shenanigans? Or any of a hundred wars where actual real war crimes are taking place?

Until you do so with equal fervor I can only conclude that you have a fixation on Jews.

There's a word for that... :rolleyes:

Pip pip.

[WildCat]

personal abuse
:dl:

[E.J.Armstrong]

Your OP is misleading. The British government is not seeking to try Israelis on war crimes. Pro-Palestinian groups are. Yawn.

Then I suggest that you reread the OP because your latest claim is false.

All the people guilty of the atrocities inn Gaza will eventually be tried for their crimes and there is nothing you, as an arch zionist, can do about it.

If Moshe Yaalon was happy that everything he has done is lawful why is he running away so fast, like a coward.

[E.J.Armstrong]

Israel can't commit war-crimes. It is anti-Semitic to suggest such.

Absolutely correct - for the Zionists on the site anyway.

[E.J.Armstrong]

When will you demand that Russian government and military officials be charged with war crimes over Chechnya? Or Syrians over Hama? Or the Chinese over their shenanigans? Or any of a hundred wars where actual real war crimes are taking place?

Until you do so with equal fervor I can only conclude that you have a fixation on Jews.

There's a word for that... :rolleyes:

Pip pip.

The Zionist argument in full.

Thanks for doing my job for me so well and so regularly.

I put it to you yet again that by showering claims of anti-semitism everywhere rather than engage in debating the topic of the thread you are making your 'position' look laughable again. I guess if you had anything rational to contribute you would have contributed it but you haven't bothered - again.

I submit your lack of facts and unsupported claims and the regular claim of anti-semitism against people who dare to talk about the Israeli government's human rights record are characteristic of all the Zionists on this site. Thanks for making my case for me so eloquently and so often.

To return to the topic of the thread. Why do you think Israeli ministers are running scared if everything they have done is legal?

[E.J.Armstrong]

:dl:

The Zionist 'argument' in full. Thanks again for doing my work so often and so well.

Here we have a Zionist, in the absence of any rational argument trying to derail a thread about the human rights record of the Israeli government as so often happens on this site.

Returning to the topic of the thread wold you are to address the topic of why Israeli government ministers are running scared if what they have done to the Palestinians is legal.

Pip pip.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Why do Eurolefties have such a hard-on for Israel?

Unfinished business from 65 years ago.

[Marc39]

The Zionist 'argument' in full. Thanks again for doing my work so often and so well.

Here we have a Zionist, in the absence of any rational argument trying to derail a thread about the human rights record of the Israeli government as so often happens on this site.

Returning to the topic of the thread wold you are to address the topic of why Israeli government ministers are running scared if what they have done to the Palestinians is legal.

Pip pip.

Why do you care a pro-Palestinian group wants to prosecute Israelis? I mean, what else is freaking new?

The Pallies also say the Mossad killed Arafat by injecting him with the HIV virus.

Thanks for the comic entertainment.

[Marc39]

Then I suggest that you reread the OP because your latest claim is false.

All the people guilty of the atrocities inn Gaza will eventually be tried for their crimes and there is nothing you, as an arch zionist, can do about it.

If Moshe Yaalon was happy that everything he has done is lawful why is he running away so fast, like a coward.

Israelis won't be tried. The Goldstone report is being shredded apart for its flaws, from relying on Hamas "eyewitnesses" to Goldstone, himself, caught on tape falling asleep when Israelis spoke of being rocketed by Hamas.

One member of the commission even has said before the commission had begun its investigation that Israel was guilty of war crimes.

The report has been dissed by the US who will never permit the Security Council to take the matter any further.

Sorry to interrupt your Jew-hating frenzy, but, honestly, nobody is taking it seriously. Not even the other anti-Semites.

[gtc]

If the US does not want to keep on suffering from shock and awe from the rest of the world why not try treating the rest of the world with some respect (as Obama and Stanley luckily seem to have started to recognise)?

What shock and awe are you referring to?

If Moshe Yaalon was happy that everything he has done is lawful why is he running away so fast, like a coward.

Why did Jews try to flee the Warsaw Ghetto if they were so sure they had nothing illegal? They might know that they are innocent but their persecutors (like you) may not care if they are innocent or not.