Shiva's invitation [Archive]

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 03:28 PM

Hello,

I am writing on behalf of internet persona "Shiva2999," who frequents this site as a lurker, but who regularly posts on buffalorange.com. Buffalo Range is a website dedicated to sports teams in the Buffalo, NY area, but also includes forum topics such as "Politics, Religion and Sex." In that forum, PRS, Shiva2999 has regularly requested that I post an invitation here, to ask JREF members to debate with him his 911 CT support there. As a person who feels that his repeated efforts to make this request of me have consumed more energy than it takes for me to humor him, I feel it is reasonable to comply.

Some things about Shiva2999:

He has a great disdain for JREF members who utilize his own verbally abusive style.
He will goad people into responses with exaggeration, personal attacks, etc.
He uses his disdain for philosophical skepticism as a broad brush for any skepticism.

If I were to coin a new acronym for him, it would be FERJ, for suoivbo reasons.

I can understand if no one wants to give him a try. But if you do, you could consider it an experiment in maintaining civility in the face of his attempts to derail you.

www.buffalorange.com

I will put a thread there entitled "Welcome JREF members" in the Politics, Religion and Sex Forum.

Skeptically,

Kensington Bailey

KJC

9th October 2009, 03:39 PM

My hands are full with the tinhatters who respond to my vids on youtube :D

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 03:43 PM

My hands are full with the tinhatters who respond to my vids on youtube :D

What is your youtube name? I will post them at buffalorange.com

Horatius

9th October 2009, 04:03 PM

Before anyone goes there, notice that Shiva2999 doesn't seem to know (http://www.buffalorange.com/showpost.php?p=2511175&postcount=7) what is stupid about this video. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155419) Also note, from an earlier post in that thread, he doesn't seem to realize the video was posted as a joke.

Make your decision accordingly.

Horatius

9th October 2009, 04:14 PM

He then posts a link to the Onion video with the CT guy debating the AQ guy (http://www.buffalorange.com/showpost.php?p=2511388&postcount=14). I'm not sure if that's a joke or not....

And the vast majority of JREFers are Republicans. (http://www.buffalorange.com/showpost.php?p=2511787&postcount=19)

~enigma~

9th October 2009, 04:26 PM

Hello,

I am writing on behalf of internet persona "Shiva2999," who frequents this site as a lurker, but who regularly posts on buffalorange.com. Buffalo Range is a website dedicated to sports teams in the Buffalo, NY area, but also includes forum topics such as "Politics, Religion and Sex." In that forum, PRS, Shiva2999 has regularly requested that I post an invitation here, to ask JREF members to debate with him his 911 CT support there. As a person who feels that his repeated efforts to make this request of me have consumed more energy than it takes for me to humor him, I feel it is reasonable to comply.

Some things about Shiva2999:

He has a great disdain for JREF members who utilize his own verbally abusive style.
He will goad people into responses with exaggeration, personal attacks, etc.
He uses his disdain for philosophical skepticism as a broad brush for any skepticism.

If I were to coin a new acronym for him, it would be FERJ, for suoivbo reasons.

I can understand if no one wants to give him a try. But if you do, you could consider it an experiment in maintaining civility in the face of his attempts to derail you.

www.buffalorange.com (http://www.buffalorange.com)

I will put a thread there entitled "Welcome JREF members" in the Politics, Religion and Sex Forum.

Skeptically,

Kensington Bailey
Is his keyboard finger broken?

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 04:41 PM

He's afraid to use it.

Furcifer

9th October 2009, 04:41 PM

He has a great disdain for JREF members who utilize his own verbally abusive style.
He will goad people into responses with exaggeration, personal attacks, etc.
He uses his disdain for philosophical skepticism as a broad brush for any skepticism.

In that case I elect Beechnut as our forum representative.

Sledge

9th October 2009, 04:46 PM

So the invitation is to go to another forum and debate with an asshat who's likely to throw abuse at anyone accepting the invitation? I'm not entirely clear what we get out of this.

DGM

9th October 2009, 04:52 PM

I have to decline. I'm from MA and a Pats fan. Need I say more?:D

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 04:53 PM

I did suggest it could be viewed as training for maintaining civility while under asshat attack. I do not suspect many will value that, nor will all value that equally.

~enigma~

9th October 2009, 04:55 PM

He's afraid to use it.

But not on your forum. Are you his lackey or just spamming your forum advertisement here?

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 04:58 PM

I did suggest it could be viewed as training for maintaining civility while under asshat attack. I do not suspect many will value that, nor will all value that equally.

I'm pretty good at keeping my cool...I'm not certainly not the most knowledgeable here...but I'll give it go. Plus I'm a Cowboys fan..so that should go over well. :)

edit: I tried to register, but it said my email address was banned...which is wierd as I have never even visited that site..oh well

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:05 PM

But not on your forum. Are you his lackey or just spamming your forum advertisement here?

Not a spammer. But, I understand a spammer would say just that. My name, Kensington Bailey, is the intersection in Buffalo close to where Paul Kurtz's publishing company is. Back in the 80's, I was his student, and Randi came to our class. I also went over to the publishing company and bought Flim Flam from him, and got it signed.

Not a spammer.

Also not his lackey. I don't know what makes this guy tick. He's very Zsa Zsa to me.

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:07 PM

I'm pretty good at keeping my cool...I'm not certainly not the most knowledgeable here...but I'll give it go. Plus I'm a Cowboys fan..so that should go over well. :)

Excellent! I don't know if Shiva is passionate about the Bills. He loves tearing up whoever is the QB. He's kinda like T.O.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 05:08 PM

~enigma~

9th October 2009, 05:10 PM

Not a spammer. But, I understand a spammer would say just that. My name, Kensington Bailey, is the intersection in Buffalo close to where Paul Kurtz's publishing company is. Back in the 80's, I was his student, and Randi came to our class. I also went over to the publishing company and bought Flim Flam from him, and got it signed.

Not a spammer.

Also not his lackey. I don't know what makes this guy tick. He's very Zsa Zsa to me.
Then why are you being his puppet?

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:10 PM

Here's the thread into which you may enter debate, or you may start your own. http://buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=166404

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:11 PM

Then why are you being his puppet?

I stated that in the OP. You can take my word for it, or reject it. But I don't have any other explanation.

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:13 PM

I've never been a very good debater, so this might be good practice and fun for something different. Judging by the few threads I browsed, no one there seems to take any of those threads very seriously.

Besides, I am a Patriots fan, so that should be at least two strikes against me!

(Note - I have been a Pats fan since the 1980's, so please, no accusations of jumpnig on any bandwagons. I well remember the 1-15 season and the peculiar joy that is cheering for Steve Grogan.)

There are Pats fans on the site. There is even an award for best non-Bills fan, named after a deceased Pats fan. They do have some class, if it is also shown by a non-Bills poster.

Pats fan uppy is a torrid pro-Bush supporter. Shiva will algn you with everything uppy stands for the minute you annouce your Patriots support.

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 05:13 PM

Excellent! I don't know if Shiva is passionate about the Bills. He loves tearing up whoever is the QB. He's kinda like T.O.

Well we got Romo..who's been playing like poop. I tried to register, but it wouldn't let me..it says my email address is banned. I messaged the administrator to find out what the deal was.

jhunter1163

9th October 2009, 05:15 PM

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:16 PM

Well we got Romo..who's been playing like poop. I tried to register, but it wouldn't let me..it says my email address is banned. I messaged the administrator to find out what the deal was.

That's interesting. I've never heard or seen anything to suggest they are restrictive - very open site.

That may just be an error - there was an attempt to convert the whole site that had to be undone. This was a few weeks back. At one point, it said I was banned. So, just try to log on.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 05:16 PM

I'm in. I will wander over and post in the "Welcome" thread, but I will be heading home soon, so probably won't post too much more until after dinner tonight. Unless my husband has something more interesting planned for the evening...

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:17 PM

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 05:19 PM

They fear you. They banned you before you even registered. I salute your fear-inspiring ability.

Fear me? That's like fearing a "Hello Kitty" stuffed animal. :)

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 05:20 PM

DGM

9th October 2009, 05:23 PM

I've never been a very good debater, so this might be good practice and fun for something different. Judging by the few threads I browsed, no one there seems to take any of those threads very seriously.

Besides, I am a Patriots fan, so that should be at least two strikes against me!

(Note - I have been a Pats fan since the 1980's, so please, no accusations of jumpnig on any bandwagons. I well remember the 1-15 season and the peculiar joy that is cheering for Steve Grogan.)

I got you beat! I saw them play at Fenway Park! (I know I'm dating myself :boxedin:)

fitzgibbon

9th October 2009, 05:25 PM

Holy sufferin' [rule 10]! Does this shiva character have a life? 52,000 posts in 8 years? That's 18 posts a day, every day since he joined? Does he have an actual job?

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 05:29 PM

I got you beat! I saw them play at Fenway Park! (I know I'm dating myself :boxedin:)

Ooooooo!

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 05:30 PM

I have imagined he is strapped to a bed in a psych ward, with a toungue actuated computer.

A W Smith

9th October 2009, 07:43 PM

I have imagined he is strapped to a bed in a psych ward, with a toungue actuated computer.

I do not see the point of visiting an obscure website to debate a lone jackass who handwaves off arguments. I poked around on his Taliban thread in which he claims the Taliban (http://www.alemarah.info/english/) does not exist. And constantly asks posters who post evidence "well did you talk to them? or hear it through the media?" As if the citizens and media of the entire world are "in on it". He is as wrong as wrong could be and there will be no reasoning with him. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3856013&postcount=3)He is insignificant regardless of his 18 posts per day for the past 8 years which indicates to me that he craves attention. My advice? Don't give it to him. You can simply put him on ignore or just not respond to him. The fact that you are here posting "on behalf" of him tells me you fell for his tactics hook line and sinker. read this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118389) and learn something

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 07:51 PM

I do not see the point of visiting an obscure website to debate a lone jackass who handwaves off arguments. I poked around on his Taliban thread in which he claims the Taliban (http://www.alemarah.info/english/) does not exist. And constantly asks posters who post evidence "well did you talk to them? or hear it through the media?" As if the citizens and media of the entire world are "in on it". He is as wrong as wrong could be and there will be no reasoning with him. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3856013&postcount=3)He is insignificant regardless of his 18 posts per day for the past 8 years which indicates to me that he craves attention. My advice? Don't give it to him. You can simply put him on ignore or just not respond to him. The fact that you are here posting "on behalf" of him tells me you fell for his tactics hook line and sinker. read this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118389) and learn something

I don't know... I say cut'em some slack. After all, it's a Bill's site. It's not like they're gonna talk about football.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 08:05 PM

Says the Niners fan. :p

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 08:07 PM

Says the Niners fan that's never seen his team lose a superbowl :p

ftfy.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 08:08 PM

ftfy.

:(

And if anyone even mentions the Superbowl Shuffle, they will instantly be shunned.

ElMondoHummus

9th October 2009, 08:13 PM

(I know I'm dating myself :boxedin:)

Dating yourself? Does that mean dinner and a show, then back to your place to seduce yourself? :eek::p;)

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 08:15 PM

:(

And if anyone even mentions the Superbowl Shuffle, they will instantly be shunned.

Awwwww Evilness, that wasn't a shot at the Pats: They've won superbowls, unlike other teams.

ElMondoHummus

9th October 2009, 08:16 PM

And if anyone even mentions the Superbowl Shuffle, they will instantly be shunned.

Oh, mother of God, YES! Seconded!! Not just shunned, but beaten with a big, big stick! :mad:

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 08:16 PM

Ok...i got registered under a different email.

ElMondoHummus

9th October 2009, 08:17 PM

Awwwww Evilness, that wasn't a shot at the Pats: They've won superbowls, unlike other teams.

Oh, take it easy on Buffalo. They were only given 4 shots at it. :D

Cl1mh4224rd

9th October 2009, 08:18 PM

So the invitation is to go to another forum and debate with an asshat who's likely to throw abuse at anyone accepting the invitation? I'm not entirely clear what we get out of this.
I do not see the point of visiting an obscure website to debate a lone jackass who handwaves off arguments.

To be fair, I have no doubt that many truthers view invitations to this forum in the same way.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 08:19 PM

Awwwww Evilness, that wasn't a shot at the Pats: They've won superbowls, unlike other teams.

Bills thread. Superbowl.

*Hokulele puts 1 and 1 together*

:D

ETA: I did not read EMH's latest before posting this.

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 08:21 PM

Oh, take it easy on Buffalo. They were only given 4 shots at it. :D

They played like they had four shots.

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 08:25 PM

Dude...I can't believe i just joined a Bill's fan board...I feel dirty...i better take a shower.

"I just can't get clean....I....just...can't...get...clean!'

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 08:30 PM

Dude...I can't believe i just joined a Bill's fan board...I feel dirty...i better take a shower.

"I just can't get clean....I....just...can't...get...clean!'

This will help:

Super Bowl XXVII

Cowboys 52
Bills 17

ElMondoHummus

9th October 2009, 08:30 PM

Dude...I can't believe i just joined a Bill's fan board...I feel dirty...i better take a shower.

"I just can't get clean....I....just...can't...get...clean!'

Wait until you join a Jets fanboard. Oh sure, everything's hunky-dory while they're winning, but wait for just one mistake, just one loss, aaaaannnnd... well, let's just say that something scatalogical hits something that pushes air, and everyone else picks up what gets scattered around to throw it again.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 08:31 PM

Dude...I can't believe i just joined a Bill's fan board...I feel dirty...i better take a shower.

"I just can't get clean....I....just...can't...get...clean!'

You can borrow my T.O. Eagles' jersey to dry off. :D

To explain, I have a friend from PA who is a HUUUUGE Iggles' fan and he bought the jersey immediately after they signed T.O. I am also friends with his wife, so when he tried to chuck it, I bribed asked her to give it to me.

I wear it whenever we host a SNF party.

He still hasn't forgiven either of us. :cool:

ElMondoHummus

9th October 2009, 08:36 PM

You can borrow my T.O. Eagles' jersey to dry off. :D

To explain, I have a friend from PA who is a HUUUUGE Iggles' fan and he bought the jersey immediately after they signed T.O. I am also friends with his wife, so when he tried to chuck it, I bribed asked her to give it to me.

I wear it whenever we host a SNF party.

He still hasn't forgiven either of us. :cool:

:dl:

Ohhh, that's awesome!!! And it gives me an idea: I think I'll wrangle myself into a similar situation just so I can take advantage of it in case LeBron ever leaves Cleveland. I know a couple of Burning-River-City fans and would luuuuuuuv to tweak 'em a good one. :degrin:
Unfortunately, I know no Bills fans in person, so I can't pull a similar stunt with a T.O. joisey on them. :(

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 08:36 PM

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 08:47 PM

I'd rather have a raging case of the crabs.

I am sure the Powers That Be at NWO headquarters can arrange that for you.

WildCat

9th October 2009, 08:48 PM

Oh, take it easy on Buffalo. They were only given 4 shots at it. :D
And now they have to suffer Dick Jauron-stedt. :boxedin:

Algebra34

9th October 2009, 08:55 PM

Come on. Leave your comfort zone. Untie the apron strings already. You all can't do much worse than you do here. Think of it as an adventure.

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 08:57 PM

Come on. Leave your comfort zone. Untie the apron strings already. You all can't do much worse than you do here. Think of it as an adventure.

Speaking of a raging case of the crabs.... :)

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 08:59 PM

Come on.

Leave your comfort zone.

Untie the apron strings already.

You all can't do much worse than you do here.

Think of it as an adventure.

lol

Do not make sock puppet accusations in thread. If you have evidence that someone is using multiple accounts, please use the Report system to let us know.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 09:02 PM

Comfort zone?

A34 realizes we are talking about a sports fansite, yes?

Algebra34

9th October 2009, 09:02 PM

Hey, this is fun! Sock some more Algebra! Sock some more!

Yes, reporting can be fun sometimes.

AJM8125

9th October 2009, 09:04 PM

Yes, reporting can be fun sometimes.

Yes, that would be the little triangle with the exclamation point in it. Please do.

Algebra34

9th October 2009, 09:18 PM

Yes, that would be the little triangle with the exclamation point in it. Please do.

Don't worry about it. It's taken care of.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 09:20 PM

Well we got Romo..who's been playing like poop. I tried to register, but it wouldn't let me..it says my email address is banned. I messaged the administrator to find out what the deal was.

Just to clarify on this (not that anyone really cares), I got an e-mail from the site discussing my registration that states that anyone with a Yahoo or Hotmail account are automatically prevented from signing up, due to spammers. You may have fallen foul of that rule, and not anything personal.

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 09:34 PM

Just to clarify on this (not that anyone really cares), I got an e-mail from the site discussing my registration that states that anyone with a Yahoo or Hotmail account are automatically prevented from signing up, due to spammers. You may have fallen foul of that rule, and not anything personal.

Thanks Hok..I re-registered with a gmail account and they let me in. Let the games begin!

But it would be like...totally cool if my rep preceded myself, and I was banned for it. :)

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 09:44 PM

Thanks Hok..I re-registered with a gmail account and they let me in. Let the games begin!

Heh. I have noticed a dramatic lack of Shiva thus far.

But it would be like...totally cool if my rep preceded myself, and I was banned for it. :)

Your rep as a debator, or as a 'Boys fan? :p

(And yes, I have decided to be a pill in that thread, but I promise not to bring up any, um, birds.)

Macgyver1968

9th October 2009, 09:48 PM

Heh. I have noticed a dramatic lack of Shiva thus far.

Your rep as a debator, or as a 'Boys fan? :p

(And yes, I have decided to be a pill in that thread, but I promise not to bring up any, um, birds.)

Thanks Hok, it's just ever since their fans cheered Michael Irvin's potential paralyzing neck injury..I've never been able to forgive them.

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 09:52 PM

Yeah, that was definitely a low-class move, but what can you expect from a group that boos Santa? Although, I lay the blame solely at the feet of the fans, there are a number of players I respect on that team.

WildCat

9th October 2009, 09:56 PM

there are a number of players I respect on that team.
OJ Simpson?

Hokulele

9th October 2009, 10:06 PM

Now I am confused. Did we go back to the Bills when I wasn't looking?

Kensington Bailey

9th October 2009, 10:17 PM

I do not see the point of visiting an obscure website to debate a lone jackass who handwaves off arguments. I poked around on his Taliban thread in which he claims the Taliban (http://www.alemarah.info/english/) does not exist. And constantly asks posters who post evidence "well did you talk to them? or hear it through the media?" As if the citizens and media of the entire world are "in on it". He is as wrong as wrong could be and there will be no reasoning with him. (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3856013&postcount=3)He is insignificant regardless of his 18 posts per day for the past 8 years which indicates to me that he craves attention. My advice? Don't give it to him. You can simply put him on ignore or just not respond to him. The fact that you are here posting "on behalf" of him tells me you fell for his tactics hook line and sinker. read this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118389) and learn something

This is good advice and I won't debate it. However, if everyone thought the same, we'd be superfluous. The option is available to others who wish to do so.

WildCat

9th October 2009, 10:30 PM

Now I am confused. Did we go back to the Bills when I wasn't looking?
I think I'm more confused than you... :blush:

fitzgibbon

10th October 2009, 07:03 AM

Dude...I can't believe i just joined a Bill's fan board...I feel dirty...i better take a shower.

"I just can't get clean....I....just...can't...get...clean!'

Just think housefires in North Tonawanda & Irv Weinstein. That should do the trick.

Klimax

10th October 2009, 07:48 AM

Holy sufferin' [rule 10]! Does this shiva character have a life? 52,000 posts in 8 years? That's 18 posts a day, every day since he joined? Does he have an actual job?

That's not that much. I managed to average here over 200 posts under 24 hours(max was 214 IIRC) ,so I could get to his number quite fast.

Kensington Bailey

9th February 2012, 09:19 PM

Attention: It has been a few years since you all visited the Buffalo Range. As you know, the Bills suck. But even more so, the Politics, Religion and Sex forum has slowed, and is in need of new blood and/or meat. Plus, Shiva twisted his back real bad and is layed up. Spiked Lemonade was hit by a truck and just got out of the hospital but is still on meds. ticat is baiting us with global warming hoax posts. Can't you all just visit one more time? It would be real nice. See OP.