View Full Version : Art Students Living in the WTC before 9/11?
CYiNCE
11th October 2009, 11:54 AM
I just saw this posted, and I thought I would share it.
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=2739
The creator of core of corruption claims to have evidence of the 'art students' living in the WTC on the 90th floor before the attacks. The video shows pictures of them is apparently in the WTC. Does anyone have information on this?
EDIT
Here is a story discussing the crew, and their construction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/nyregion/balcony-scene-unseen-atop-world-episode-trade-center-assumes-mythic-qualities.html
Arus808
11th October 2009, 11:59 AM
seeing as the towers were office buildings, could he provide more proof than just a heavily edited video?
BigAl
11th October 2009, 11:59 AM
The idea of non-union manpower doing construction in WTC is laughable. The idea of anyone sneaking the required amount of material into the loading dock and up the freight elevators is also silly. The people that propose these ideas never worked in a 24x7 secure building.
Josarhus
11th October 2009, 12:33 PM
I am quite sure that these art students were in the WTC 1 on 91 and 92 floor legally.
Apparently a group of artist did their work landscaping the city from the highest vantage point and other art related projects from 1997 until the towers collapsed in 2001.
Some of these artists went a bit further and constructed a wooden balcony, removed part of the glass and pushed the balcony out, so that the WTC 1 would have a balcony, with a small flower garden.
They didn’t have construction passes, since they were there officially and legal. The work on the other hand with the balcony were not legal.
http://artoftheprank.com/2007/08/02/the-b-thing-by-gelitin/
fourtoe
11th October 2009, 12:38 PM
I am quite sure that these art students were in the WTC 1 on 91 and 92 floor legally.
Apparently a group of artist did their work landscaping the city from the highest vantage point and other art related projects from 1997 until the towers collapsed in 2001.
Some of these artists went a bit further and constructed a wooden balcony, removed part of the glass and pushed the balcony out, so that the WTC 1 would have a balcony, with a small flower garden.
They didn’t have construction passes, since they were there officially and legal. The work on the other hand with the balcony were not legal.
http://artoftheprank.com/2007/08/02/the-b-thing-by-gelitin/
I'm looking that the Gelitin art student site now.
http://wtc.window.to/
Josarhus
11th October 2009, 12:39 PM
The balcony stunt was performed early morning on june 11. 2000 and only lasted 10 minutes.
Brainster
11th October 2009, 12:48 PM
Yes, to no surprise, Ellinof has taken a tiny bit of truth and surrounded it with a hulking mass of "TROOF". It is well-known that a few artists were permitted to work inside the WTC. The New York Times article makes it clear they were in the building legally.
In the spring of 2000, Gelatin and 14 other artists shared free studio space on the 91st floor, where the group's artmaking appeared to consist of building a clubhouse out of cardboard boxes.
It's a cute little prank, but since the article was published in the NY Times in August 2001, they were obviously out of the building by then.
fourtoe
11th October 2009, 12:50 PM
Yes, to no surprise, Ellinof has taken a tiny bit of truth and surrounded it with a hulking mass of "TROOF". It is well-known that a few artists were permitted to work inside the WTC. The New York Times article makes it clear they were in the building legally.
It's a cute little prank, but since the article was published in the NY Times in August 2001, they were obviously out of the building by then.
Yeah, the site I linked to has some pretty interesting photos:
http://www.gelitin.net/wtc/img/tremmel5.gif
I like the artist rendition of amazement.
Josarhus
11th October 2009, 12:53 PM
It's a cute little prank, but since the article was published in the NY Times in August 2001, they were obviously out of the building by then.
Apparently one of the many artists who worked in the WTC died on September 11. 2001 (not one of the 4 from Gelatin!). And as far as I have researched they used the 91 and 92 floor from 1997 until the towers fell.
Pardalis
11th October 2009, 12:56 PM
I'm looking that the Gelitin art student site now.
http://wtc.window.to/
"Art" students who can't even use a freaking ruler. :rolleyes:
AJM8125
11th October 2009, 01:02 PM
The idea of non-union manpower doing construction in WTC is laughable. The idea of anyone sneaking the required amount of material into the loading dock and up the freight elevators is also silly. The people that propose these ideas never worked in a 24x7 secure building.
I'd say they've never even set foot in a highrise, let alone know how buildings are managed. I've said before and I'll say it again: if construction is talking place anywhere in a highrise, most everyone in the building would be aware of it. This is something you cannot hide. To think that you can is insane.
Pardalis
11th October 2009, 01:10 PM
What the German artists planned on doing looks alot like what real engineers did in Chicago with the "skydeck".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/sears-tower-opening-glass_n_194465.html
ETA: Here's a better picture:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/lsRftym0Dq0t7pj1RzNeeAGwo1_500.jpg
Josarhus
11th October 2009, 01:45 PM
Some more info:
The lower Manhattan cultural council used the 91 and 92 floor in WTC 1, as part of their residency program (World Views program) from 1997 to 2001.
Several artists worked on these floors, among them the 4 Austrians who constructed the wooden balcony.
Only these 4 people were involved in the balcony stunt:
Ari Janka, Born 1970, Artist
Wolfgang Gantner, Born 1970, Political science
Florian Reither, Born 1970 Engineer
Tobias Urban. Born 1968 Artist
As far as I know none of them was ever arrested in connection with the 9/11 attacks and their work has absolutely nothing to do with the attacks.
The artist who died was Michael Richards who was working in his studio on the morning of September 11.
http://www.lmcc.net/us/pressreleases/Press_Rel_PDFs/SiteMattersPRsmall_fin.pdf
CYiNCE
11th October 2009, 03:04 PM
Awesome everyone, thanks for all the info.
Brainster
11th October 2009, 06:31 PM
Only these 4 people were involved in the balcony stunt:
Ari Janka, Born 1970, Artist
Wolfgang Gantner, Born 1970, Political science
Florian Reither, Born 1970 Engineer
Tobias Urban. Born 1968 Artist
They sound like Jews to me!
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dropzone
11th October 2009, 10:13 PM
What the German artists planned on doing looks alot like what real engineers did in Chicago with the "skydeck".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/sears-tower-opening-glass_n_194465.html
ETA: Here's a better picture:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/lsRftym0Dq0t7pj1RzNeeAGwo1_500.jpg
I spent ten years designing elevator parts and, once, managed to look down an empty shaft at the Sears Tower as the light petered out to nothing. There is no freakin' way I'd take that ride. I daresay they'd need to charge extra to lure people onto it, while providing multiple exit points.
This is why I have mammoth respect for the people who both stood at the edge of the Abyss and took the fall, quietly and with intent. I'd be conflicted until my lungs stopped working and made the decision for me.
Information Analyst
12th October 2009, 09:15 AM
I notice this "shock news" has spread to British conspiracy circles:
www.911forum.org.uk (http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=18153)
Typically, they are speculating that those "art students" involved, "would surely have been murdered," subsequently. This will, of course, allow them to claim that anyone now presenting as the students in question will be imposters!
16.5
12th October 2009, 09:27 AM
Yeah, the site I linked to has some pretty interesting photos:
http://www.gelitin.net/wtc/img/tremmel5.gif
I like the artist rendition of amazement.
I like how they used a dictionary to define amaze, but seem to have not bothered looking up the words "brake" "tonque?" etc.
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