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NWO Sentryman
13th October 2009, 09:40 AM
...Nazi Germany won in the East in WW2, leading to a cold war with the US.

Who would be in the strongest position?
Careyp74
13th October 2009, 10:12 AM
That premise is hard to imagine though. It is based on Germany being stronger than the US in the first place. If you look at the allies and enemies that pretty much cancel each other out, it was the U.S. strength that overcame the krauts.
NWO Sentryman
13th October 2009, 10:16 AM
WEll, say Nazi Germany did manage to win in the Eastern Front and stretch from the alsace lorraine to the urals. Who would hold the cards in a cold war with the US?
Lukraak_Sisser
13th October 2009, 10:40 AM
The US. As the soviet union showed, a population that truly needs to be coerced to do anything is not as productive as one that isn't.
Germany would have had to spend time and effort keeping order that the US wouldnt have.
Also, the US would have far more innovation, as a nazi germany would clamp down on universities, which (again as shown in the USSR) doesnt exactly help with getting the most out of people.
NWO Sentryman
13th October 2009, 10:57 AM
I thought coercive economics made Maoist China into a superpower as well as Stalinist Russia.

Wouldn't Germany take the lead with Von Braun Stations and the best rocket & computer scientists in the world?
Scootch
13th October 2009, 11:26 AM
If Hitler took over Russia I believe Hitler would have invaded Alaska. America would be facing Germany and Japan on Pacific would have stood alone and vulnerable.
NWO Sentryman
13th October 2009, 11:39 AM
If Hitler took over Russia I believe Hitler would have invaded Alaska. America would be facing Germany and Japan on Pacific would have stood alone and vulnerable.

Tell that to this site:

http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=16
ElMondoHummus
13th October 2009, 12:04 PM
...Nazi Germany won in the East in WW2, leading to a cold war with the US.

Who would be in the strongest position?

That's actually an interesting question. They'd be much, much stronger resourcewise, but have been painfully spent in doing so. I really don't know the answer. I can argue that they would've been reduced to a hollow power, spent by the effort it took to beat the Soviet Union, but I can also argue that it would've made them a hyperpower. Yes, "hyper", not just "super". Commanding everthing from the western German border to the eastern USSR one would've given them such a huge swath of both resources and manpower that they would be unbelievable. In short, I can argue either way on this, and probably with little effort produce a couple or three interesting alternate hypotheses.
ElMondoHummus
13th October 2009, 12:08 PM
I thought coercive economics made Maoist China into a superpower as well as Stalinist Russia.


I'd argue that the coercion simply extended the reputation of China asa the "old, sick man", and that it was actually liberalization that's making them a superpower. Before, all they really had was manpower. That's nothing to sneeze at - as America and the rest of the world discovered in the Korean war - but it's only one of the necessary foundations of being a "superpower".


Wouldn't Germany take the lead with Von Braun Stations and the best rocket & computer scientists in the world?

Who knows? They had those scientists, true, but they also had a meddlesome bureaucracy of a government that didn't know what to do with gifts delivered on a silver platter. I submit the Me 262 as evidence supporting this.
ugot2bekidding
13th October 2009, 12:55 PM
Check out The Man In The High Castle by Philip K. Dick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle
BTMO
13th October 2009, 01:07 PM
OOoo... I know the answer to this one.

History would never have had much to say about a city called "Hiroshima".
NWO Sentryman
13th October 2009, 01:21 PM
Check out The Man In The High Castle by Philip K. Dick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle

Oh god, if it involves the Unmentionable Sea Mammal :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp i will not look.
Trojan
13th October 2009, 05:18 PM
...Nazi Germany won in the East in WW2, leading to a cold war with the US.

Who would be in the strongest position?

Is this premised on Russia surrendering before the US entered? Because once the US was in the war, it was just a matter of time.
Arthur Denton
13th October 2009, 05:27 PM
...Nazi Germany won in the East in WW2, leading to a cold war with the US.

Who would be in the strongest position?

Cockroaches, since they would be the only survivors from nuclear fallout.