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CHF
15th October 2009, 12:11 PM
I know this has been done before but I feel compelled to do it again in the wake of the NYC petition fail, just to clarify what the TM wants...

So truthers think there should be a new investigation into 9/11 and they're fully prepared to have one. I mean just look at their ammo:

- Steven "thermite" Jones and his peer-reviewed papers which prove that thermite/thermate/nanothermite/super nanothermite destroyed the WTC or perhaps acted as a fuse for conventional exposives. Rock solid stuff.

- Richard "pyroclastic" Gage, Haiwa and the other million or so "engineers" at AE911. (More expert support than the OS, says Gage).

- Kevin "waterboy" Ryan and his intimate knowledge (or not) of WTC steel fire tests.

- David Ray Griffin and his expert knowledge of demolitions, plane crashes, engineering and whatever other subjects one can think of.

- Dany Jowenko, a CD expert who is apparently reliable some the time (we'll just have to trust the truthers as to when that is).

- Several internet documentaries with hip soundtracks.

- The 118 firefighters who heard demolition charges going off. They'd be on board with a new investigation, surely...

- Reliable truther eyewitness like Willy Rod and Kevin McPadden, whose stories have never changed one bit, and show no signs of embelishment or outright fabrication.

- The financial backing of Alex Jones, Charlie Sheen, Rosie O'donnell, Willy Nelson and Jesse Ventura. That's tens of millions of dollars right there, not to mention all the allowance money truthers have donated to various TM outlets. So they're obviously not hurting for cash.

- And of course they have the support of 86% of the general public.

So they have all this impressive information, experts, money and public support just waiting for a new investigation to start. And yet what seems to be holding them up?

The truthers are waiting for the US government to give them the go-ahead. :hypnotize

Yes, that's right - they're waiting for the alleged 9/11 masterminds and their NWO establishment to give permission to proceed.

Why?

Why do truthers require such permission, from the 9/11 perps of all people!? That's a bit like Amnesty International waiting for Moscow's permission to report on human rights abuses in Chechnya. It's idiotic.

And it's not like they need anything from the NWO. After all, they claim to have evidence so overwhelming that they already wear t-shirts saying "9/11 was an inside job" even though they haven't had the new investigation, so confident are they of its outcome.

Quite simply, there is nothing stopping the TM from gathering its epic resources, conducting an investigation and producing its own 9/11 report.

Just think of it - the grand priest David Ray Griffin calls a press conference in which he announces that an international investigation has proven what really happened on 9/11, and then hands out a massive report to journalists which carefully lays out what happened from beginning to end.

So why is this not being done?

If I had to guess I'd say it's because the truthers KNOW that they can't agree on a damn thing and that their claims are so contradictory, idiotic and nonsensical that any sort of logical, consistent narrative is impossible. So instead they waste their lives calling for someone else to do an investigation since they know what a fiasco it would be if they attempted one.

But that's just me.

DavidJames
15th October 2009, 12:25 PM
So why is this not being done?

If I had to guess I'd say it's because the truthers KNOW that they can't agree on a damn thing and that their claims are so contradictory, idiotic and nonsensical that any sort of logical, consistent narrative is impossible. So instead they waste their lives calling for someone else to do an investigation since they know what a fiasco it would be if they attempted one.

But that's just me.For simplicities sake, I'll break down my reasoning for their lack of action in two categories. I'll call them the professionals, DRG, Gage, Jones, etal and the amateurs, those that post on forums like this one. The professional won't pursue it because, ultimately, it would eliminate their chosen profession, namely huckster and charlatan. The amateurs won't for a number of reasons including some are simply trolls, others are mentally ill, others simply don't have conviction. The latter category has many sub categories, I just listed a few.

And that's just me :)

Macgyver1968
15th October 2009, 12:30 PM
They can't...their guild "raids" on that night. :)

MarekM
15th October 2009, 01:21 PM
I believe the argument is that they need subpoena power. What good that will do them, I have no idea. The NWO isn't going to release any documents and Bush and Cheney aren't going to testify.

CHF
15th October 2009, 01:53 PM
It's worth noting that Amnesty International and Humans Rights Watch publish investigations all the time that don't rely on any sort of permission from the powers that be.

They don't require subpoena power or testimony from rebels groups or government forces in order to conclude that one side or the other committed war crimes.

They rely on physical evidence, video/photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony - all of which the truthers claim to have in abundance - in order to produce reports that are widely read and highly influential.

So what's stopping the truthers?

Oh that's right - the folks at HRW/AI don't argue over whether the shelling of Grozny was done by the Chechens themselves or by the Jews. Or whether or not there even was shelling at all. Or whether Chechnya itself is nothing more than a CIA hologram complete with 1 million "shills" pretending to be Chechen.

alienentity
15th October 2009, 02:05 PM
It's worth noting that Amnesty International and Humans Rights Watch publish investigations all the time that don't rely on any sort of permission from the powers that be.

They don't require subpoena power or testimony from rebels groups or government forces in order to conclude that one side or the other committed war crimes.

They rely on physical evidence, video/photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony - all of which the truthers claim to have in abundance - in order to produce reports that are widely read and highly influential.

So what's stopping the truthers?

Oh that's right - the folks at HRW/AI don't argue over whether the shelling of Grozny was done by the Chechens themselves or by the Jews. Or whether or not there even was shelling at all. Or whether Chechnya itself is nothing more than a CIA hologram complete with 1 million "shills" pretending to be Chechen.

Chechnya was an Inside Job!!

nicepants
15th October 2009, 03:30 PM
The truthers are waiting for the US government to give them the go-ahead. :hypnotize


I suspect what they're waiting for is a blank check from Uncle Sam along with the power to interrogate & imprison whomever they wish.

As others have stated, what truthers want is a dictatorship in which they are in charge.

GlennB
15th October 2009, 03:40 PM
So why is this not being done?



Would competing snake-oil salesmen call for an FDA enquiry into the efficacy of snake-oil?

JamesB
15th October 2009, 06:54 PM
They haven't even done the most basic work though. They have been claiming the hijackers are alive, but nobody other than Kevin Barrett has even made the slightest effort to find and talk to them. That certainly does not require supeona power.

bje
15th October 2009, 07:14 PM
CHF has hit the nail on the head again.

And they've had the example of the fearless CIT to show them how to do a proper investigation.

triforcharity
15th October 2009, 07:19 PM
CIT?? You mean the idiots who will ignore physical evidence, including DNA, and insist it was a missle that nobody saw, that hit the pentagon?? Those idiots??

Mr.D
15th October 2009, 09:30 PM
Those idiots??

Yup, them.

Paradoxically, the ones with the most self-debunking theory are the ones who have done the most footwork! They actually found and interviewed witnesses (and mislead, selectively misquoted, cherry-picked and subsequently ignored them)

eromitlab
16th October 2009, 02:28 AM
- Reliable truther eyewitness like Willy Rod and Kevin McPadden, whose stories have never changed one bit, and show no signs of embelishment or outright fabrication.


Let's not forget about Scott Forbes. Yet another bombshell to be trotted out every three months by some kid that just saw some troof crockumentary or another on youtube.

Can't find anything to support it right now, but I seem to remember early this year or late last year, ae911troof surveyed their members about what avenues they should pursue with the group, and actually doing a new investigation on their own was just one entry on a long list of items that mostly boiled down to "more spamming for ae911troof".

grandthefttoaster
16th October 2009, 03:18 AM
They have already done their investigations- their websites and videos are considered by themselves to be undeniable proof. If there really was a conspiracy, petitioning for a new investigation wouldn't ever succed, and they know it. The only reason they do it is because it gets a small amount of attention when they go around asking for signatures and stuff.

LashL
16th October 2009, 06:55 PM
Bumping for any of the resident truthers to chime in.