Danish Prime Minister Forewarning

[thewholesoul]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

[HyJinX]

You're so gullible. Sheesh.

[Mr.Herbert]

I was watching the buildings burn on television with co-workers. One of them said... "It's going to collapse!" 20 minutes later... it did.

So, was she in on it, or does she get a cool million from Randi?

[tuc0]

"I received a message 5-10 minutes before it physically happened saying there was impending danger the tower would collapse so I knew disaster was coming" doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

And why the **** would anyone inform the Danish Prime Minister?!?! Those evil inside jobbers must be total morons. And yet they pulled off the biggest and most perfectly planned (yet moronically overcomplicated) crime of all time.

Yes, it's obvious! :newlol

[EvilBiker]

I have to ask this: who the hell would want to inform the Danish prime minister of a building collapse in a country halfway across the world five minutes before the event? I mean seriously, what influence is he supposed to have on the event? Is he supposed to adopt an evil pose, get out his white cat and rub his hands gleefully or something?

I really don't get it.

This is some serious straw-clutching - I suppose that's all that's left for the Truthers. The last throes of a dying corpse.

[16.5]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

Who told him that there was a "danger" of collapse? Answer please.

My guess, he talked to one of the millions of people on earth perceptive enough to realize that the tower was suffering so much damage, there was a possibility that it could not survive.

Edited to add: on 9/11/01 at 09:41:38 AM Fark Forum member Mungo made the following post:

"From the Telegraph:

....

There are fears the towers could collapse due to structural damage."

Maybe the Prime Minister was reading Fark.

[BigAl]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

Having been within sight (from a safe distance) of the north tower collapse, I said the same thing at about the same time.

We now know that NY Police helicopters were circling the towers and someone reported to the Mayor's staff the fact that the beams on the impact floors has started to buckle and some form of collapse was probable.

[CHF]

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Probably one of many people who watched the towers burn and figured the building would collapse.

Such people include the FDNY. Are they in on it, thewholesoul?

Yeah I guess they are. After all, the FDNY knew WTC7 would come down, so.....

[CptColumbo]

I have witnesses to the fact that after the Pentagon was reported hit, I predicted we would wage war against somebody due to these attacks.

and I outrank the Danish Prime Minister.


I am the King of Doughnuts.

[johnny karate]

Eight years after the fact, and this is the kind of nonsense Truthers are peddling?

Is there a name for the emotion that makes you want to pity and laugh at someone at the same time? Because that's what I'm feeling right now.

[bill smith]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

Hey guys. Not looking good is it ? Tut tut. Murdering scumbags eh ? Ten minutes before eh ?....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ? What are you going to do about this other than make excuses ? Need I ask ?

[BigAl]

bill smith[/B];5211527]Hey guys. Not looking good is it ? Tut tut. Murdering scumbags eh ? Ten minutes before eh ?....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ? What are you going to do about this other than say it's okay ? Need I ask ?

The evacuation call to the firemen and the failure of the FDNY radios has been discussed several times.

[Horatius]

....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ?



...except for those warnings they didn't get because of inadequate radios.


But you just go right ahead and keep ignoring the real problems from 9/11 that people have actually been trying to deal with.

[16.5]

Hee hee. I just read the comments over at Prison Planet. That is the first time I have ever done that. Holy cripes those people are freaking loons!

[johnny karate]

bill smith thinks the FDNY were part of the conspiracy, so I'm not sure why he is now expressing concern for those he's previously accused of taking part in mass murder.

[KDLarsen]

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.
Rather annoyingly, it appears that DR who made the programme, '24 hours we'll never forget', have decided not to make it available on demand :(

Would have been nice to see the context in which the comment was made.

Also, for what it's worth, the PM in question called an election 2 months after 9/11 and lost heavily (partially due to some voters believing he was trying to scare them into voting for the "stable choice" of keeping the government in place). The PM that followed him is the current Secretary General of NATO.

[Lupie]

Wow,

Thousands of people see two buildings sustain massive, catastophic damage, and many of these people think to themselves "hey, that level of damage could cause the buildings to collapse", and that makes 9/11 an inside job?

L.

[dafydd]

Hey guys. Not looking good is it ? Tut tut. Murdering scumbags eh ? Ten minutes before eh ?....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ? What are you going to do about this other than make excuses ? Need I ask ?

I'm a troll,fol de rol......

[Lupie]

Hee hee. I just read the comments over at Prison Planet. That is the first time I have ever done that. Holy cripes those people are freaking loons!

They are their own special brand of crazy over there.

[Kent1]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

LOL! Took me a second to realize the poster was serious. And then takes he takes time to post it here thinking it has any kind of weight. LOL!

This is why I don't spend much time debunking anymore. Boy its REALLY slim picking these days isn't it.

[Josarhus]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul


The former Danish Prime Minister was told by the media, like everybody else on that day. Within 5-10 minutes of the collapse of the south tower, everybody watching the news would probably several times have heard that the tower were in danger of collapsing.

By the way it was not on live television, but on a recorded show about days in peoples lives that they don’t forget, so he was not admitting anything he simply explained that he was told about 5-10 minutes before the actual collapse that it MIGHT happen, not that it was going to happen. And judging by the way he said it, it was probably closer to around 5 minutes before than 10 minutes.

It is quite easy here in Denmark, being a small country, to contact and get an answer from a politician, even a former Prime Minister, but none of the 350 members of the Danish truth movement even considered that, instead they go: “it makes you wonder”

[Grizzly Bear]

So this whole argument basically stems from incompetents who think steel is absolutely invincible against the effect of heat, and unevenly distributed loads. And therefore anyone who believed the collapses would or might happen at the time is more than likely a perpetrator or co conspirator in the cover up. And they even through in the argument that if it hasn't happened before then it can't happen ever.

Everything and the kitchen sink this time... I'm not sure that deserves a whole lot of praise...

[Thunder]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.


Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?


many people thought the tower could collapse, including myself and many of my-coworkers who are Masters in Engineering and NYS Registered Architects.

NO ONE was told, "the tower will collapse because it was lined with explosives by the NWO". people just analyzed the situation and knew there was a damn good chance it would give way..and they were right.

9-11 Truthers need to let this go. they are boring the whole world.

[bill smith]

I'm a troll,fol de rol......

Considering that this current post of yours is one of your better ones your self-description of being a Troll is an extremely accurate one. lol

[Thunder]

Hey guys. Not looking good is it ? Tut tut. Murdering scumbags eh ? Ten minutes before eh ?....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ? What are you going to do about this other than make excuses ? Need I ask ?

what are we going to do about what? that the Danish PM was warned that the tower might possibly collapse?

big *********** deal. half of New York City thought it might collapse. the damned top section of the tower started leaning towards the point of impact for Christ's sake!!

it didn't take a genius to realize it may go down..and it did.

Truthers, please, bring us something new.

[Josarhus]

In one of the You Tube debates with the in truther circles now famous Danish Prime Minister statement, Niels Harrit joined with two very short comments.

He replied to why the OEM and FDNY couldn’t predict that the tower was in danger of collapsing:

Because such a thing had never happened before. The thought cannot be thought.

And further:

Because predictions are based on experience.
You cannot foresee rain if rain has never fallen.
A steel-framed high-riser had neved collapsed due to fire.
It is rather simple.

Do those statements qualify for a stundie nomination?!


Harrits Youtube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nharrit

[Thunder]

Niels Harrit needs to speak with the many FDNY and NYPD personnel who too thought the building might collapse.

[bill smith]

many people thought the tower could collapse, including myself and many of my-coworkers who are Masters in Engineering and NYS Registered Architects.

NO ONE was told, "the tower will collapse because it was lined with explosives by the NWO". people just analyzed the situation and knew there was a damn good chance it would give way..and they were right.

9-11 Truthers need to let this go. they are boring the whole world.

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire I sincerely doubt that you predicted any such thing. We will carry on boring the world with this until the whole world knows beyond any shadow of a doubt..

[Josarhus]

Niels Harrit needs to speak with the many FDNY and NYPD personnel who too thought the building might collapse.

I think if you ask Harrit, he would say that he knows more about structural fires than they do :boxedin:

[Travis]

Do those statements qualify for a stundie nomination?!

Yep, and it's been taken care of.

[Comsat Angel]

WTF? The DANES were behind 9/11?

I swear, I never saw that one coming. Who knew!

[bill smith]

In one of the You Tube debates with the in truther circles now famous Danish Prime Minister statement, Niels Harrit joined with two very short comments.

He replied to why the OEM and FDNY couldn’t predict that the tower was in danger of collapsing:



And further:



Do those statements qualify for a stundie nomination?!


Harrits Youtube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nharrit

Fantastic video there on the youtube channel..

[Josarhus]

Fantastic video there on the youtube channel..

Yes that one made people laugh here in Denmark and earned him the nickname “the nutty professor”.

[NoZed Avenger]

WTF? The DANES were behind 9/11?

I swear, I never saw that one coming. Who knew!



/waits for inevitable Danish "If I see a building with an airplane . . ." post from old-timers.

[funk de fino]

In one of the You Tube debates with the in truther circles now famous Danish Prime Minister statement, Niels Harrit joined with two very short comments.

He replied to why the OEM and FDNY couldn’t predict that the tower was in danger of collapsing:



And further:



Do those statements qualify for a stundie nomination?!


Harrits Youtube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nharrit

What an absolute moron Harrit is.

[dudalb]

I just got to work (I live on the West Coast) about five minutes before the collapse and about a half hour before we were sent home (I work for the Feds) and everyone was gathered around a TV watching the news, and the head of our engineering department said " It's probably gonna collapse". More proof it's an inside job.

[Lupie]

I just got to work (I live on the West Coast) about five minutes before the collapse and about a half hour before we were sent home (I work for the Feds) and everyone was gathered around a TV watching the news, and the head of our engineering department said " It's probably gonna collapse". More proof it's an inside job.

I thought the same thing, and I was in fact employed as an Agent of the Federal Govt. at the time... (cue the spooky X-Files music)

...Oooooh! Inside job for sure!

L.

[dafydd]

Considering that this current post of yours is one of your better ones your self-description of being a Troll is an extremely accurate one. lol

You'll have to do better than that.

[ElMondoHummus]

This thread is officially stupid from the start. Being "informed" ahead of time does not indicate the presence of the forever stupidly named "inside job". It can mean someone used common sense to evaluate what was already known!


"Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Callan_Joseph.txt


"And also met with Chief Tony Whitaker, who is the commanding officer of the World Trade Center. At that point he told me he felt that Building 1 was going to collapse, very soon, based on what he had seen.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/


My Thayer School engineering training came back, and I realized that with that intensity of heat in a building in which the steel girders were insulated with asbestos, it had to collapse within one hour. I called the fire department, police, etc. and told them the building was guaranteed to collapse. I was told that 911 was only for emergencies, and I should callsomewhere else.

After about 40 minutes, as I saw (I have telescopes, binoculars, etc.) the top segment of the building listing about 3 degrees, I left my apartment and went out to walk in the street. Buidlings collapse if they list more than 3 degrees. As I walked down Bleecker Street, people gasped as the building collapsed. Like Lord Jim, my imagination surpasses any reality. I should have stayed and watched. I did for the second tower.

...We watched the second building, and I noticed it was more than 3 degrees, but as the telescope revealed, that was because the beams were buckling on both sides. A building like the WTC does not 'break off in the middle' and fall like a tree.

http://www.alum.dartmouth.org/classes/62/bombdough.htm

Are any of those quotes indicative of an inside job? If not, why is the Danish PM's? Knowing that the towers were going to collapse means that someone understood the precariousness of the situation and the fact that the towers were severely compromised from the beginning. Being informed by that someone simply means you've been exposed to that person's knowledge. Not a single bit of this means "inside job" by any stretch of the imagination.

Furthermore, there might be even more pedestrian reasons for "knowing": Word could have been passed from someone who saw the famous BBC story i.e. the "pre-knowledge" report and thought it was a prediction rather than a report. The OP contains a false dichotomy: Is the PM lying or did he know about a supposed "inside job". No, there are multiple other possibilities. Don't fall prey for the OP'ers silly and transparent attempt to limit the playing field by limiting the choices. He off all people should know after being time and time again refuted just how weak such attempts to shape the debate are. Please let this thread die; there's nothing here at all.

[beachnut]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/danish-prime-minister-knew-wtc-would-collapse.html

To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml ... why can't you find rational work on 911? When will you use sound judgment based on knowledge?

Is knowledge a bridge too far? Why do you remain in ignorance and post a link to the epitome of dirt dumb delusions?

You made up the inside job delusion based on this statement?

“I am told that the first tower has completely collapsed….I received a message 5-10 minutes before it physically happened saying there was impending danger the tower would collapse so I knew disaster was coming” said Rasmussen.
"impending danger" And you leap with Alex Jones (the highest dolt of all) to say inside job. Your evidence is your paranoid delusions. Why are you a paranoid conspiracy theorist with zero evidence?

[Thunder]

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire

well, then its a good thing the WTC towers did not collapse from fire alone.

To this day, no high rise steel building has collapsed from fire ALONE.

Smash a damn fully fueled 757 into it....and then let it burn..and it just may collapse.

[Seymour Butz]

I just got to work (I live on the West Coast) about five minutes before the collapse and about a half hour before we were sent home (I work for the Feds) and everyone was gathered around a TV watching the news, and the head of our engineering department said " It's probably gonna collapse". More proof it's an inside job.

Twoofs just don't realize how dumb they really are.

[Stellafane]

This is why I don't spend much time debunking anymore. Boy its REALLY slim picking these days isn't it.

You said it -- what we're being tossed these days don't even qualify as crumbs.

[MarkyX]

I was still in high school when 9/11 happened and even I said that they would probably collapse due to the fact a freaking plane rammed into them. I wasn't the only one in school who came up with the same idea.

I guess I'm part of it.

[Edx]

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire I sincerely doubt that you predicted any such thing. We will carry on boring the world with this until the whole world knows beyond any shadow of a doubt..

Thats why the FDNY are all in on it, right Bill?

[timhau]

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire I sincerely doubt that you predicted any such thing.

Yes, steel framed highrises are totally unlike any other structure ever built, and they can only be taken down with space beams or mini-nukes.

[Thunder]

so now we have the names of two high-up FDNY personnel who knew that the towers would collapse.

perhaps we should demand that the FDNY tell us who they are working for, who told them that the towers would collapse, and if they feel they should turn themselves in for the murder of 3,000 innocent people.

:(

[eromitlab]

Truthers on sites like reddit are, of course, posting away with the latest truther morsel (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9uqdu/former_pm_of_denmark_admits_he_was_warned_that/c0ej3eq) as they often do whenever Alex Jones puts some new 9/11 bit on one of his hundred websites...

Guilianni was told as well so the powerful were told, but not the people in the towers. Just as Mayor Willie Brown and US generals were warned not to fly on 9/11. Just as many people were warned. But not if you didn't happen to be rich or powerful or connected.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

"To be brief, the Danish Prime Minister on live television admits to being informed 5-10 minutes prior to the collapse of the South Tower.

Is he lying? If not, then who told him the tower would collapse eventhough such an event had never happened in the history of stell framed skyscrapers, or since?

Time to pull your heads out of the dark. 911 was an inside job, how obvious does it have to be?

peace and best wishes
thewholesoul

Hey Alex Jones's Sheep, where's the evidence?

9/11 was an "Inside Job", where's the evidence?

[Sam.I.Am]

Truthers on sites like reddit are, of course, posting away with the latest truther morsel (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9uqdu/former_pm_of_denmark_admits_he_was_warned_that/c0ej3eq) as they often do whenever Alex Jones puts some new 9/11 bit on one of his hundred websites...

The Willie Brown one always cracks me up. Possibly the most liberal Mayor in the country in arguably the most liberal city in the country was warned not to fly by a "Neocon" administration about to murder thousands of people and destroy national landmarks. Yeah, that makes sense...

[Thunder]

I am curious as to why the 9-11 Truthers don't simply ask all these people who got warnings about the tower collapse, "who told you?".

and then, ask those peope how they knew.

why do Truthers refuse to do any of the leg work?

maybe its because they know they will get the EXACT same answer...every time.

"based on my fire and engineering experience, I assumed that based on the damage and hot fires, and my visual observation and conversations with others at the site, I and others determined that the building may collapse. and indeed it did".

this is the ONLY answer they will EVER get. and they know it.

...on a side note, the longer I boycott all conspiracy theory websites, the more I realize how very non-existant these ideas are in the real world. I haven't been to a CT web site in at least a month, and I travel all over NYC and was in Philly last weekend. I have seen NOTHING dealing with 9-11 theories.

they truly are a web dependent reality.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I am curious as to why the 9-11 Truthers don't simply ask all these people who got warnings about the tower collapse, "who told you?".

and then, ask those peope how they knew.

why do Truthers refuse to do any of the leg work?

maybe its because they know they will get the EXACT same answer...every time.

"based on my fire and engineering experience, I assumed that based on the damage and hot fires, and my visual observation and conversations with others at the site, I and others determined that the building may collapse. and indeed it did".

this is the ONLY answer they will EVER get. and they know it.

...on a side note, the longer I boycott all conspiracy theory websites, the more I realize how very non-existant these ideas are in the real world. I haven't been to a CT web site in at least a month, and I travel all over NYC and was in Philly last weekend. I have seen NOTHING dealing with 9-11 theories.

they truly are a web dependent reality.

Parky, I think it's because they believe.

They believe in the Conspiracy Theories because it's a full blown religion.

Since they believe, they believe in the LIES.

Hidden word in "believe": LIE = beLIEve

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Hang on I got a pictrue to show the Truthers. It's about Jim Fetzer and Judy Wood's theory of a death ray from space.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Star-Wars-911-Death-Star.JPG

COME ON TRUTHERS.....

SAY IT.....

SAY IT.....

[Thunder]

They believe in the Conspiracy Theories because it's a full blown religion.


Lets see now:

-911 Truth is their Bible
-Alex Jones, Gage, Steven Jones, and Dylan Avery are their Holy Prophets.
-their Holy Sites are Ground Zero, Shanksville, and Luke Rudekowski's mom's house.

their anti-Christs are George Bush, Dick Cheney, Larry Silverstein, and Parky76.

:D

[stateofgrace]

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire I sincerely doubt that you predicted any such thing. We will carry on boring the world with this until the whole world knows beyond any shadow of a doubt..

Don't read this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2834132&postcount=98) Bill and keep saying it over and over and over again. Don't you know if you keep saying it over and over and over again it suddenly becomes true? :rolleyes:

PS, Off the top of my head I can think of at least two massive offshore steel framed structures that have collapsed due to fire. Keep dreaming Bill, keep dreaming.

[Thunder]

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Star-Wars-911-Death-Star.JPG


funny. that picture was taken about 2 blocks from my parent's building. the big building on the lower left is on Essex St. in Manhattan.

:D

[Thunder]

We will carry on boring the world with this until the whole world knows beyond any shadow of a doubt..

I have no doubt that you will try. Though instead of convincing the world you may eventially just get b--ch slapped.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

funny. that picture was taken about 2 blocks from my parent's building. the big building on the lower left is on Essex St. in Manhattan.

:D

Parky,

It must've been some kind of site to see from that vantage point. Too bad it had to be the only day that was full or horror.

[Thunder]

Parky,

It must've been some kind of site to see from that vantage point. Too bad it had to be the only day that was full or horror.

i was in Hong Kong. my friend at the State Dept. and my Rabbi warned me to leave the country during that week.

:)

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

i was in Hong Kong. my friend at the State Dept. and my Rabbi warned me to leave the country during that week.

:)

Hope your parents were alright at the time. I also hope you didn't leave the country. :)

[Thunder]

Hope your parents were alright at the time. I also hope you didn't leave the country. :)

phones went down for a few days. when I came home on the 16th the air was yellow. i got bronchitis twice. my great-Aunt said it smelled like Buchenwald.

good times.

[taiyo]

I was watching the buildings burn on television with co-workers. One of them said... "It's going to collapse!" 20 minutes later... it did.

So, was she in on it, or does she get a cool million from Randi?

The very instant a colleague of mine heard 2 planes had hit NY and before the rest of us had any idea what was going on, she immediately said, "They've killed the crew. They must have flown the planes. Every other plane will have to be grounded". Is she psychic? Is she Bin Laden in drag? No, her husband is a commercial pilot and she thought it was blindingly obvious. Is it so shocking to realise that there are people who simply know more than you?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Let's just say that the Truthers believe:

1) That the Death Star (WTC 1 & 2) couldn't have been hit by Luke Skywalkers X-Wing.

2) That the Torpedo Bay onboard the Death Star (Pentagon) wasn't hit by an X-Wing fighter, but rather a photon torpedo (cruise missile).

3) That Sector 7 (WTC7) wasn't hit by debris after the Y-Wings attacked.

4) That Empire Palpatine (Bush) was responsible for a cover-up to explode the Death Star from the Inside.

Thus the Death Star exploding was an Inside Job and Conspiracy by the Galantic Empire (U.S. Government).

[Lupie]

Let's just say that the Truthers believe:

1) That the Death Star (WTC 1 & 2) couldn't have been hit by Luke Skywalkers X-Wing.

2) That the Torpedo Bay onboard the Death Star (Pentagon) wasn't hit by an X-Wing fighter, but rather a photon torpedo (cruise missile).

3) That Sector 7 (WTC7) wasn't hit by debris after the Y-Wings attacked.

4) That Empire Palpatine (Bush) was responsible for a cover-up to explode the Death Star from the Inside.

Thus the Death Star exploding was an Inside Job and Conspiracy by the Galantic Empire (U.S. Government).


But the question remains, if the small thermal exhaust port right below the main port was ray-shielded, how did a proton torpedo penetrate it? I mean, ray-shields are stronger than torpedos, so anyone with common sense and 2 minutes of video has to conclude that it's an inside job! I'm only asking questions.

L.

[16.5]

I want to thank the OP for posting this thread. Otherwise, I would not have known of the absolute insanity that is the PP forums. And the fact that Niels Harrit is freaking insane. He can't imagine that a building would collapse.

FANTASTIC!

[Thunder]

I have never heard of Niels Harrit before. Is he new to the TM, or am I just more and more out of the circle of trust?

[triforcharity]

Hey guys. Not looking good is it ? Tut tut. Murdering scumbags eh ? Ten minutes before eh ?....and no warnng to the 300-plus firemen eh ? What are you going to do about this other than make excuses ? Need I ask ?


You see, this is where you are wrong. We were ordered out. But you see, those gad damned radios just didn't seem to work above the ~20th floor, sometimes even less. Heck, I only heard about the evac from the radio in the truck I was near, and one of the drivers informed me. And I had a radio on my sholder holster. Hummm......Seems your well....Wrong again.

Stop implying that FDNY was in on it. It is absurd, and quite frankly, its rude.

[triforcharity]

Considering that no steel framed high rise building in the history of this planet has ever collapsed from fire I sincerely doubt that you predicted any such thing. We will carry on boring the world with this until the whole world knows beyond any shadow of a doubt..


So, firefighters know that steel + fire + no water = MAJOR PROBLEMS, we could never imagine that a skyscraper, constructed of steel, and was on fire, we would have never put two and two together??

You a wrong. Massive fail.

BTW, you have not only implied that FDNY murdered 343 of its own (Which is disgustingly wrong ) now you imply that they, including me, are all idiots.

Maybe, its not us, but you.

[16.5]

I have never heard of Niels Harrit before. Is he new to the TM, or am I just more and more out of the circle of trust?

He wrote a "peer reviewed" paper about finding paint sooper dooper thermiatey in the "dust" at the WTC. You might have read something about it here.

[triforcharity]

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Star-Wars-911-Death-Star.JPG

COME ON TRUTHERS.....

SAY IT.....

SAY IT.....

I understand the comedy of this, believe me, I do. But, please, do not ever post that again. People were dying horrible deaths at that exact moment.

Again, I understand the comedy of making fun of ******* space beams, but don't put a graphic to it.

Thanks.

/Soapbox.

[Thunder]

I understand the comedy of this, believe me, I do. But, please, do not ever post that again. People were dying horrible deaths at that exact moment.

Again, I understand the comedy of making fun of ******* space beams, but don't put a graphic to it.

Thanks.

/Soapbox.

i have to say, its been 8 years since the event, and that pic with the death star did not bother me one damn bit.

and I grew up 1.5 miles from the Towers.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

But the question remains, if the small thermal exhaust port right below the main port was ray-shielded, how did a proton torpedo penetrate it? I mean, ray-shields are stronger than torpedos, so anyone with common sense and 2 minutes of video has to conclude that it's an inside job! I'm only asking questions.

L.

Good question Lupie.

Maybe someone inside the Death Star (Stormtrooper perhaps?) turned off the ray shield just when Luke fired his missile.

Yup, the Death Star was an Inside Job alright.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I understand the comedy of this, believe me, I do. But, please, do not ever post that again. People were dying horrible deaths at that exact moment.

Again, I understand the comedy of making fun of ******* space beams, but don't put a graphic to it.

Thanks.

/Soapbox.

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Star-Wars-911-Death-Star.JPG

It's for the Truthers and only the Truthers!

Where's the humor?

[triforcharity]

i have to say, its been 8 years since the event, and that pic with the death star did not bother me one damn bit.

and I grew up 1.5 miles from the Towers.

Parky,

I guess sometimes things like this just bother me more. Some things just strike me as offensive. This being one of them.

I am a little more emotional than others. If others do not find it offensive, that is fine. People are entitled to their opinions. Thata is what is great about America, and I will NEVER infringe on that right.

No hard feelings at all though. :):cool::cool:


Second edit. Edited out my response. I find no humor in that whatsoever. Sorry, like I said before, I am more emotional than others.

You are new here correct??

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Truthers like to claim that the WTCs' turned to "dust". That pic of the Death Star really is making fun the the Truthers.

If anyone's offended I'm sorry!

But just giggle a bit on behalf of the Truthers, alright?

[Thunder]

turned to dust. what a damn joke. hundreds of thousands of tons of steel, huge chunks of concrete, remains of thousands of people, furniture, equipment.....and the truthers say it was dustified.

fools.

[triforcharity]

Sorry, I cannot giggle at this.

Like I understand, I understand the humor. Look through the forums for VicSims thread, and cross-reference that to the stundie nominations for last month.

You will find why I find it very offensive.

No hard feelings. :cool:

But, laughing at the twoofies who believe dustification is quite hillarious, and very accepted.

They obviously have never seen this photo before.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/concreteremains2.jpg

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Second edit. Edited out my response. I find no humor in that whatsoever. Sorry, like I said before, I am more emotional than others.

You are new here correct??

The next time you call me a pr*ck Triforcharity you and me are gonna have a serious talk. Not in private messages but on here for ALL to see.

I saw that you editted your post, but I caught that pr*ck part prety good.

Yes I'm new here! But I've been visiting JREF for some time now before that.

[triforcharity]

The next time you call me a pr*ck Triforcharity you and me are gonna have a serious talk. Not in private messages but on here for ALL to see.

I saw that you editted your post, but I caught that pr*ck part prety good.

Yes I'm new here! But I've been visiting JREF for some time now before that.

Yepo, I sure did. After you edited your first post to me.

You and I have nothing to talk about. Its over, and its water under the bridge. I have no hard feelings, as I have posted in my previous posts.

BTW, ask around, and you will understand why I find that offensive.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Yepo, I sure did. After you edited your first post to me.

You and I have nothing to talk about. Its over, and its water under the bridge. I have no hard feelings, as I have posted in my previous posts.

BTW, ask around, and you will understand why I find that offensive.

I've been battling the Truthers for some time Charity. Sometimes it gets confusing about who's who, ya know?

No hard feelings?

[triforcharity]

Not one bit. Like I said, water under the bridge.


BTW, I am no twoofie. Not even close.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Not one bit. Like I said, water under the bridge.


BTW, I am no twoofie. Not even close.

Works for me! :)

I figured that Charity.

I'm always between JREF and YouTube that it gets kind of confusing when debating with the Twoofers. I just wish all of those idiot Twoofers would come here and debate. But they're so obcessed with the YT vids that it's insane.

Too many loons but not enough baskets to make a case.

[Thunder]

I would like to know why the Danish PM did not warn the hundreds of FDNY and NYPD personnel that he was given foreknowledge of the tower's collapse?

what is he trying to hide? who is he protecting?

Has he now or ever been a member of Al-Qaeda?

[Sam.I.Am]

Hmmm... wasn't it a Danish newspaper that printed up those cartoons of Mohammad that ended up causing them to receive death threats after a fatwa was issued by some cleric or whatever? Was that a false flag operation to distract people from the fact that the PM was in on it?

[Travis]

Right before 9/11 I had read an article in some fire fighting magazine about the fire in the Library Tower in LA. It was about the fact that they determined that the only thing that kept the building form collapsing was that the building had fireproofing installed in a manner that greatly exceeded code. Anyone else who had read that would have also concluded the buildings were doomed to collapse.

[Josarhus]

I would like to know why the Danish PM did not warn the hundreds of FDNY and NYPD personnel that he was given foreknowledge of the tower's collapse?

what is he trying to hide? who is he protecting?

Has he now or ever been a member of Al-Qaeda?

No that Prime Minister was never Al Quida, it is our current Prime Minister who is Al-Quida ;):

http://madsenblog.dk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/terrorkrigen.jpg

That is an actual picture taken in Afghanistan, no photo shop. Our current PM (Lars Lokke Rasmussen) is the third one form the left.

[JAStewart]

How long til that ends up on PrisonPlanet? ;)

[Edx]

No that Prime Minister was never Al Quida, it is our current Prime Minister who is Al-Quida ;):

http://madsenblog.dk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/terrorkrigen.jpg

That is an actual picture taken in Afghanistan, no photo shop. .

LOL

Would have been more realistic if you had made his face a blurred whiteish like the others :)

[TruthersLie]

But the question remains, if the small thermal exhaust port right below the main port was ray-shielded, how did a proton torpedo penetrate it? I mean, ray-shields are stronger than torpedos, so anyone with common sense and 2 minutes of video has to conclude that it's an inside job! I'm only asking questions.

L.

eaB-CRFPHxY

see... a youtube video proves it...

[Senenmut]

the orders came from the top. the office of emergency management (OEM).

from an oral history of Peruggia:
"At that point I went back into the building. I was in a
discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a
representative from the Department of Buildings, but
I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several
of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was
brought to my attention, it was believed that the
structural damage that was suffered to the towers was
quite significant and they were very confident that the
building's stability was compromised and they felt that
the north tower was in danger of a near imminent
collapse.I grabbed EMT Zarrillo, I advised him of that
information. I told him he was to proceed immediately
to the command post where Chief Ganci was located.
Told him where it was across the street from number 1
World Trade Center. I told him "You see Chief Ganci
and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information
that the building integrity is severely compromised and
they believe the building is in danger of imminent
collapse." So, he left off in that direction."

then regarding wtc 7, could this be that same "engineer" predicting 7 collapse.

Deputy Chief Hayden - start at 19:35
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#

Hayden: "Well we had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor and see if there was any movement of the building. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building, and we had a discussion with one particular engineer and we asked him if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse and, if so, how soon. And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money that he said in its current state you have about five hours."

[Senenmut]

this is also interesting. later in the oral history of Peruggia:

"Looking up at it, you could see that, you
could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was
significant structural damage to the exterior of the
building. Very noticeable. Now you know, again, this
is not a scene where the thought of both buildings
collapsing ever entered into my mind.
I was there in 1993, 14 minutes after the
bomb went off. I operated some 16 hours at the
building and with all the post-incident critiques and
debriefings with various agencies. We were always told
by everyone, the experts, that these buildings could
withstand direct hits from airplanes. That's the way
they were designed. They went through all of this
architectural stuff, way beyond the scope of my
knowledge."

[Josarhus]

LOL

Would have been more realistic if you had made his face a blurred whiteish like the others :)

The picture is real; it was taken in 1988 when he visited the Mujahideen fighting the Soviet invasion, to donate 600,000 Danish kroner to them. The man standing to his right has since fled Afghanistan because of the Taliban and is today a doctor here In Denmark.

Lars Lokke Rasmussen has since been back to Afghanistan, this time as Prime Minister visiting among others the Danes and the Brits at the Camp Bastion field hospital in Helmand province:

http://haeren.smugmug.com/photos/638267910_TFGrD-L.jpg

And the Afghan army, here with an American translator:

http://forsvaret.dk/CSW/NytogPresse/NyhedsArkiv/PublishingImages/OMLT%20nyheder/Statsminister%20taler%20med%20ANA%20chefer.jpg

[triforcharity]

Right before 9/11 I had read an article in some fire fighting magazine about the fire in the Library Tower in LA. It was about the fact that they determined that the only thing that kept the building form collapsing was that the building had fireproofing installed in a manner that greatly exceeded code. Anyone else who had read that would have also concluded the buildings were doomed to collapse.

Travis,

I rememeber using that fire a couple months ago in my Fire Science continuing educaation classes. Great example of what happenes when you excede an outdated code.

I can't find that link though. I will keep looking. It is rather intersting.

[Travis]

Travis,

I rememeber using that fire a couple months ago in my Fire Science continuing educaation classes. Great example of what happenes when you excede an outdated code.

I can't find that link though. I will keep looking. It is rather intersting.

This is a post I put up some time ago. Within it I linked to some info on it though not the article I read years ago.

It is a strange belief, Truthers have, that steel skyscrapers are seemingly indestructible. It seems that the mechanizations of disaster overlook these mighty structures and, as only the hand of man can create them, so too can only the hand of man bring them down. Truthers actually seem to think this is some sort of consensus opinion. This notion seems to be drawn from the often cited absence of steel skyscraper collapse prior to 9/11. This of course overlooks the relative scarcity of steel skyscrapers in comparison to other structures and the resultant improved maintenance and oversight of these structures.

So, is the failure of these structures to fail because of the fastidious upkeep by their owners or the perfection of their design?

In the late 70's the Citicorp Building rose above midtown Manhattan, the worlds largest Central Business District, as a testament to innovative engineering. The building was supported by a stilt structure that elevated it above a local church and accomplished this with an elaborate framing structure designed by William J. LeMessurier.

However, unknown to anyone at the time of its opening, the building was structurally compromised by a change in design during construction when welded joints were abandoned for cheaper bolted joints. LeMessurier stumbled upon this discovery himself and informed the buildings owners who decided to take action immediately.

From an article in Damn Interesting (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=500#more-500):

Work began immediately, and continued around the clock for three months. Welders worked all night, and carpenters labored during the day. In case of imminent disaster, an evacuation plan was put in place for the surrounding area, but the general public knew nothing of the circumstances… the press was on strike at that time, so news of the repairs did not disseminate to the populace. About halfway into the repairs Hurricane Ella formed, and it appeared to be on a collision course with Manhattan, but fortunately the storm veered out to sea rather than testing the limits of the half-repaired building. The reinforcements were completed in September of 1978, and the entire structure was re-evaluated for safety.

So, it seems that plain old wind could have brought down a mighty indestructible steel skyscraper. To a Truther this will make no sense since never before has a steel skyscraper been toppled by wind and Truther logic dictates that anything without precedent, apparently, can't happen*. So, it seems that Citicorp either wasted all that time and money on an unnecessary structural improvement or were really up to something else, nefarious doings no doubt.

So, what about fire? Well, besides the often discussed Windsor Tower something that was a lot more relevant to me on the morning of September 11th was the fire in the First Interstate World Tower on the 4th of May, 1988. On that date a fire started on the 12th floor and spread to four more floors as firefighters found water to fight the fire lacking due to construction that was installing sprinklers on upper floors. Consequently the fire grew larger than office fires usually do. This greatly worried people on site but ultimately the building did not collapse. Why? Fire Fighter analysis (http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/CaseStudy/HistoricFires/BuildingFires/interstateBank.htm) points to:

It was also shown that if fire protection to structural members is adequately designed and applied with quality control, fire damage to fire exposed members will be minimised and structural collapse can be prevented.

That's right, the fire protection stayed intact as it had been applied in a quality controlled manner and that saved the building. In the WTC that fire protection was compromised so......one has to wonder, what was supposed to save the WTC? Happy thoughts, rainbows and puppy whiskers?

So, Truthers, steel skyscrapers are marvels of engineering but like all things humans build they are prone to failure should certain conditions manifest themselves and the fact that building owners usually keep their costly investments away from those conditions is not evidence of their indestructibility it is evidence of their value.

*Truthers are inconsistent with this logic since they continually insist that the US Government kills, or wishes to kill, thousands of its own citizens for personal gain despite the lack of precedent for this.