LIHOP / MIHOP... truthers want to have their cake and eat it too

[Orphia Nay]

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive. The US Government can't have ignored warnings of an attack and also caused those attacks.

Yet I've seen numerous cases of twoofers making LIHOP claims as well as MIHOP claims and being certain of an inside job.


How about criminal incompetence, calls for accountability, and investigation into obstruction of justice?

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?


We might be wrong to think that the multitude of warnings our Government received prior to 9/11 should have caused people within the Bush Administration to warn the American public, and take precautions to make sure the attacks didn't succeed.

We might be wrong to think that someone like Shyam Sunder should have met with people like Dr. Steven Jones to at least look at the information he has collected.
http://911blogger.com/node/18724


And this guy I've been debating on and off for years.
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1110483&highlight=lihop#1110483

Anyone else noticed this?

It seems twoofers will believe all sorts of contradictory things as long as it's not their dreaded "official story". :oldroll:

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

It's like which 1 should I choose?:

Waffle House

or....

IHOP (International House Of Pancakes)

I like both waffles & pancakes!

Damn! I'm undecided!

Twoofers are always contridicting themselves!

[Orphia Nay]

It's like which 1 should I choose?:

Waffle House

or....

IHOP (International House Of Pancakes)

I like both waffles & pancakes!

Damn! I'm undecided!

Twoofers are always contridicting themselves!

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:)

[Brainache]

OOOOOOOOOOHHH,
Whether it's LIHOP
Or whether it's MIHOP,
We need to know the Truth
And make this war stop.....



Just for the old timers.

Sorry.

But yes Orphia, it is all part and parcel of the No-Claimer Truther MO. They point out a big pile of so-called "anomalies" many of which contradict each other and think that if they keep adding to the pile of crap, eventually they will have a coherent case against "Them". Unfortunately for the Truthers, all they ever get is a bigger pile of crap.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Nice orphia nay!

LOL! :D

[Orphia Nay]

:)

OOOOOOOOOOHHH,
Whether it's LIHOP
Or whether it's MIHOP,
We need to know the Truth
And make this war stop.....



Just for the old timers.

Sorry.

But yes Orphia, it is all part and parcel of the No-Claimer Truther MO. They point out a big pile of so-called "anomalies" many of which contradict each other and think that if they keep adding to the pile of crap, eventually they will have a coherent case against "Them". Unfortunately for the Truthers, all they ever get is a bigger pile of crap.

Aaaargh! :eek: I'd successfully erased that song from my memory! :( :D

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Cheers, Brainache! :)

[JAStewart]

I don't see whats wrong with having and cake and eating it.

If I buy a cake for myself, I do eventually eat it.

[DavidJames]

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive. The US Government can't have ignored warnings of an attack and also caused those attacks.

Yet I've seen numerous cases of twoofers making LIHOP claims as well as MIHOP claims and being certain of an inside job.








http://911blogger.com/node/18724


And this guy I've been debating on and off for years.
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1110483&highlight=lihop#1110483

Anyone else noticed this?

It seems twoofers will believe all sorts of contradictory things as long as it's not their dreaded "official story". :oldroll:At the root of this conundrum is the 9/11 CTists start with the belief that the Govt. is at fault and work back from there. Exactly what happened and how aren't so important as them simply saying the Govt. did it.

[Macgyver1968]

I thought IHOP stood for "I hate old people"...which is what a former girlfriend who used to wait tables there said.

Now I want a grand slam breakfast. :)

[T.A.M.]

A small group of Conservative Elite orchestrated the attacks, and the rest of the dumbass administration purposely ignored the warnings that the attacks (orchestrated by the OTHER conservatives) were coming.

There see, if you twist things, then squint to look at them, you can fit any square scenario into the round hole.

TAM:)

[Pardalis]

They just want the US to be guilty of something. They don't care about the truth, they are solely politically motivated.

[Brainster]

Jon Gold plays the game of not pushing any particular theory, but then he'll say Phillip Zelikow belongs in jail. I'll always remember how Gold got on Opie & Anthony back in 2004 and when they gave him a chance to explain his theory, he started out with this bizarre bit about how Osama's brother was running some sort of marriage scam where Americans would marry Saudi women, or something. Unfortunately, Opie and Anthony didn't let him finish, so I never heard how this tied into 9-11; I would have loved hearing that part.

[INRM]

This is purely hypothetical...

There are many truthers who believe that Osama bin Laden was/is a CIA/MI6/Mossad asset. If Osama bin Laden was actually a CIA/MI6/Mossad Asset, it is possible that the few people at the top (USA/UK/Israel) could have instructed him to order an attack on the United States and carry it out. They would probably know the details of what was going to happen more or less.

The people at the top of the US Government would have to prevent those below them from stumbling onto the plot. Deliberately ignoring what was in motion would obviously be vital, what idiot who was engaging in such a horrible act would actually try and expose what would be going on? They'd be sinking themselves in the process.

So they'd act as if they didn't take any of these reports seriously, any that actually were made. They would also want to misdirect the hell out of the FBI and such below so they wouldn't stumble onto too much anyway otherwise it would become readily apparent. Those who do stumble onto anything are told that it isn't to be taken seriously, told to drop it, and fired if they won't stop.

This of course would be in conflict with many truther claims. For one the planes would have actually have had to have been been hijacked if this hypothetical were correct, and actually have had to have been flown into buildings. The damage would have actually have caused the collapses of Towers 1 and 2.


INRM

[SpitfireIX]

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive. The US Government can't have ignored warnings of an attack and also caused those attacks.

Yet I've seen numerous cases of twoofers making LIHOP claims as well as MIHOP claims and being certain of an inside job.


mjd1982 claimed that a combined LIHOP/MIHOP scenario was possible, if the CIA had had a mole high up in Al Qaeda. :rolleyes:

See here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2706637&postcount=924).

[SpitfireIX]

It's like which 1 should I choose?:

Waffle House

or....

IHOP (International House Of Pancakes)

I like both waffles & pancakes!




Actually, IHOP's waffles are much better than Waffle House's waffles. :)

[Orphia Nay]

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive. The US Government can't have ignored warnings of an attack and also caused those attacks.

Yet I've seen numerous cases of twoofers making LIHOP claims as well as MIHOP claims and being certain of an inside job.

How about criminal incompetence, calls for accountability, and investigation into obstruction of justice?

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?

We might be wrong to think that the multitude of warnings our Government received prior to 9/11 should have caused people within the Bush Administration to warn the American public, and take precautions to make sure the attacks didn't succeed.

We might be wrong to think that someone like Shyam Sunder should have met with people like Dr. Steven Jones to at least look at the information he has collected.
http://911blogger.com/node/18724


And this guy I've been debating on and off for years.
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1110483&highlight=lihop#1110483

Anyone else noticed this?

It seems twoofers people Red Ibis doesn't like people calling "twoofers" will believe all sorts of contradictory things as long as it's not their dreaded "official story". :oldroll:

Edited to remove personal remarks. Now you can explain how you can foster two mutually exclusive theories.

[JihadJane]

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive. The US Government can't have ignored warnings of an attack and also caused those attacks.





Why not?

If I leave the window open and the rain gets in who caused my priceless antique bible to get wet?

[R.Mackey]

An agnostic "round-earther" is pretty tough to find, too. But hey, if it makes you feel better, keep pretending that the reason most people here reject 9/11 conspiracy theories is because of a lack of open-mindedness.

I'm rather perplexed that the lack of those on-the-fence here is seen as a sign of weakness in our position. This makes no sense.

If there truly are no people left undecided, this suggests one of two things: Either the Truth Movement's argumentation failed utterly to connect with them, and they're not interested at all; or the Truth Movement had their shot, and our debunking efforts were completely successful.

I lean toward the first one, personally. There have been quite a few people turned back from the Truth Movement, and to them we can probably credit our work here, but I believe the vast majority simply realized they had no case on first contact, and never bothered to look into it in more detail.

This is what happens when you don't have a hypothesis, guys.

[newton3376]

If there truly are no people left undecided, this suggests one of two things: Either the Truth Movement's argumentation failed utterly to connect with them, and they're not interested at all; or the Truth Movement had their shot, and our debunking efforts were completely successful.

I lean toward the first one, personally.

Definately the first one.

There are too many real life problems within the government, and just with people in general, to give any consideration to truther nonsense.

One doesn't have to make up fairy tale conspiricies to find actual, real life problems with our government/economy/military/world/country/ *insert just about anything here*.

[T.A.M.]

Obama in, Bush out, was the final nail in the coffin.

TAM:)

[ElMondoHummus]

Dude, that coffin is all nails by now.

[Orphia Nay]

Why not?

If I leave the window open and the rain gets in who caused my priceless antique bible to get wet?

If you have the ability to make it rain, the Million Dollar Challenge is ^ thataway.

[SpitfireIX]

One person could change the whole course of human history? Only in a Bruce Willis movie. :oldroll:


mjd1982 is quite a piece of work. He demonstrated a monomaniacal obsession with the PNAC report's "new Pearl Harbor", as if it were some sort of smoking gun proving that the neocons staged the September 11 attacks. He also continually insisted that there is some sort of ongoing media conspiracy to avoid discussing the collapse of WTC 7, despite being repeatedly presented with evidence that clearly destroyed his claim.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: