Nick Griffin, BNP leader on BBC's Question Time

[richardm]

They'd have used a JPEG, but it would have been too small.

Ironically enough Nazi artifacts are highly collectable.

[9/11-investigator]

Well, the Conservative Party Representative just explained why you don't need to be an extreme, racist party to have a realistic immigration problem that addresses peoples concerns. Regardless of the merits of the Tory proposal, I think it was important to say that, given that much of the rise in BNP support is due to perceived flaws in government immigration policy, and the lack of government response to peoples concerns in that regard.


But Uzzy, I'm shocked. Don't you know that diversity is our strength?

What do you mean, 'flaws in immigration policy'? Immigration is wonderful! Anything else would be bigotry and racism. And we all know too well to what that leads as we have seen in Germany.

No, see for yourself how wonderful diversity is, what an enrichment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWABGwFJn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEbC6ARKv6c

[9/11-investigator]

I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. I'm a white Russian Jew living in a neighborhood that is predominantly Black and Mexican. In the metro area, we have about 4 million people of all races, colors, ethnicities, and religions.

It's not a colorblind utopia, but somehow we manage to get along without erupting into daily race riots.

You should work a bit on your PR-skills, because you make it sound that it is sheer luck that you folks don't smash each others brains while celebrating vibrant diversity. And sheer luck it is.

Google "sri lanka massacre" to see some results of what diversity can lead to in very recent history.

[Cleon]

You should work a bit on your PR-skills, because you make it sound that it is sheer luck that you folks don't smash each others brains while celebrating vibrant diversity.

It's called "sarcasm." Look it up, it's only two syllables.

And sheer luck it is.

No, not really. Contrary to what the RaHoWa idiots think, the majority of the planet is not teetering on the edge of race war.


Google "sri lanka massacre" to see some results of what diversity can lead to in very recent history.And the rest of us, that get along? I guess the majority of us are the exception. Oh noes, brown people and white people living together! What horror!

[Uzzy]

But Uzzy, I'm shocked. Don't you know that diversity is our strength?

What do you mean, 'flaws in immigration policy'? Immigration is wonderful! Anything else would be bigotry and racism. And we all know too well to what that leads as we have seen in Germany.

No, see for yourself how wonderful diversity is, what an enrichment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWABGwFJn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEbC6ARKv6c

Interesting. It seems that you can cherry pick one part of my various comments on this issue and go on a nutty rant.

I have no problem with immigration. At the University I am currently at, we have a great deal of immigrants learning and generally being very useful citizens. My issue is that we know how many people are in the country, so we can properly distribute our resources to cope. Having an extra 100,000 immigrants come to one part of the country will cause a problem, if we don't give the local authorities and public services enough resources. That's what I mean by a realistic immigration policy.

[Undesired Walrus]

"We must not betray the old, tolerant and generous practice of free entry and asylum to which this country has so long adhered, and from which it has so greatly gained."

The person who this quote belongs to? None other than Winston Churchill himself. It would be helpful if Griffin heard it.

[MaGZ]

Arcade 22, I am getting sort of concerned about the way you seem to sympathize with the likes of the BNP.

What? No free speech for racists?

[MaGZ]

Watch the programme. Griffin gets devastated. He flounders, obfuscates and makes a general fool of himself. The highight was when he defended David Duke's KKK organisation by saying they were 'non-violent', and tried to pretend that he couldn't talk about his views on the Holocaust because of a non-existent law.

David Duke has always been non-violent even when he was leader of the Klan. This is what put Duke on the map in the 1970s being the smart articulate Klansman.

[MaGZ]

I do - white supremacists have been around for a long, long time and have had much more prominence than the BNP has today (in comparison for the times) yet they have always remained at the fringe. I don't see that anything has changed.

The British Empire was founded by white supremacists.

[MaGZ]

I have a feeling if Islam was mainly practiced by Blond "Aryan" types Griffin would find a lot less to hate about it.


Yes like these,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_ (1st_Croatian)

[MaGZ]

Doesn't Sweden have an official state religion?

In the past it was Odinism.

[MaGZ]

So did my Irish and Canadian parents. I'm not an immigrant (WTF is a 'second generation' immigrant?). I'm British. Aside from the Hizb Ut-Tahrir nutters, so are the Muslims. How have they been more dangerous than say, the Irish?

Tell me, seeing how most British Blacks have ancestors from the Caribbean, tell us what is in this cruel 'Caribbean culture' that predisposes people to rape, murder etc. The onus is on you to prove that British Blacks retain this culture, which leads them towards violence and disorder.

Perhaps you have heard this old saying,
"You can take the ****** out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the ******"

[MaGZ]

The Irish are just paying back for the way the Brits spread like a plague through Ireland :D

And,come to think of it, I am sure back around 850 you had the Authentic Anglo Saxons complaining how the Vikings were spreading like a plague through Britain.

At least the Vikings were white, same for the barbarians that sacked Rome.

[MaGZ]

Just out of interest, how do you feel about the Chinese laws on one child?

How do you feel about forced abortions for Somalis in Britain?

[MaGZ]

This is a good point and is relevant to the UK alongwith with the EU freedom of movement incomers. Most of the knuckledraggers lump them all in the same pot.


And why not if they are all non-White?

[MaGZ]

Fair enough; good point. Let's hope this becomes a good cause. I repeat what I often said: Islamic fascism is above all an inter-Islamic problem. If other Muslims get help from non-Muslims combating it, good.

"Islamic fascism" is Jewspeak.

[MaGZ]

Hey, only 22% of Brits (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=axJ43ieNLjf4) would consider voting for a whites-only racist homophobic political party...

...and another 22% lie to the pollsters.

[MaGZ]

well Georgia to more precise

the crime rate is quite high

White people can't stand living in Atlanta.

There was a bumper sticker that said,

"General Sherman, where are you now when we really need you?"

[geni]

The British Empire was founded by white supremacists.

Nothing so inclusive. The French are white.

[Undesired Walrus]

Perhaps you have heard this old saying,
"You can take the ****** out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the ******"

I have, but not in civilised thought.

What's with all the drive-by hate?

[Fiona]

I suspect Magz does not like black people; or brown people; or yellow people; or jews

I think he would like us to know that

[funk de fino]

Perhaps you have heard this old saying,
"You can take the ****** out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the ******"

You really are a child.

[funk de fino]

And why not if they are all non-White?

The majority of them are white. Not that it makes any difference to civilised people.

[funk de fino]

White people can't stand living in Atlanta.

There was a bumper sticker that said,

"General Sherman, where are you now when we really need you?"


POTUS Obama can help them.

[funk de fino]

The British Empire was founded by white supremacists.

Funny thing about the British Empire is that the last time I looked.............

[Beerina]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8321157.stm

"Anti-fascists" acting like blackshirts...why am i not surprised?

Bah, thought this was gonna be a lively Prime Minister's Questions. :)

[Undesired Walrus]

The British Empire was founded by white supremacists.

What's your point?

[Darat]

What's your point?

I'd have thought it was quite obvious - it's a very bad thing to let white supremacists get into power.!

[Darat]

Nothing so inclusive. The French are white.

Yeah but they don't wash a lot so it's hard to tell!

[9/11-investigator]

Funny thing about the British Empire is that the last time I looked.............

Is Scotland still part of the empire? Wales? :rolleyes:

[funk de fino]

Is Scotland still part of the empire? Wales? :rolleyes:

Thanks for proving you are clueless on this subject.

I'll give you a clue

King James the 1st

[Fiona]

James the Sixth, you mean?

[Darat]

Was he the one that gave independence to Wales?

[FireGarden]

James the Sixth, you mean?

Split the difference: James 3.5

[Dr Adequate]

Perhaps you have heard this old saying,
"You can take the ****** out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the ******" No, I haven't. We obviously move in very different circles.

[Dr Adequate]

The British Empire was founded by white supremacists. So that's why it failed.

[Morrigan]

Doesn't Sweden have an official state religion?

Canada does, and the USA doesn't, yet on the whole, Canada is a lot more secular (the Prime Minister would never dare say "God bless Canada" here), I'd say, and Sweden probably is too. I wouldn't say this really means anything.

[Skeptic]

I suspect Magz does not like black people; or brown people; or yellow people; or jews

I think he would like us to know that

He doesn't like liberals, or immigrants, or democrats, or government employees, either.

He loves America, though.

While hating 93% of the people who live in it.

[funk de fino]

James the Sixth, you mean?

No, both;)

[brodski]

No, both;)

for a grand total of James VII?

[Skeptic]

By the way, isn't it odd how the leader of this racial-purity party looks, not so much like the Aryan superman, but like some drunken reject at the local pub? I mean, if you're going to be all gung-ho for White superiority, at least try to look the part...

[Fiona]

Not required: Hitler and Mussolini were not great physical specimens either.

[Skeptic]

for a grand total of James VII?

In the USA, the British movie "The Madness of George III" was retitled "The Madness of George the Third."

Apparently the distributors were worried that, given the average American's knowledge of British royalty, potential theater goers would be puzzled why they've never heard of "The Madness of George" and "The Madness of George II".

[Skeptic]

Not required: Hitler and Mussolini were not great physical specimens either.

To be fair to Mussolini, genocidal extermination of "inferior races" was never on top of his agenda.

Italian fascism was, of course, deeply nationalistic, but it never tried to prove the Italian race immensely superior to all other people on the planet.

[brodski]

In the USA, the British movie "The Madness of George III" was retitled "The Madness of George the Third."

Apparently the distributors were worried that, given the average American's knowledge of British royalty, potential theater goers would be puzzled why they've never heard of "The Madness of George" and "The Madness of George II".

In the UK it was just called The Madness of King George, the play was called The Madness of George III which i can see as being a little confusing without the word "king".

[Dr Adequate]

By the way, isn't it odd how the leader of this racial-purity party looks, not so much like the Aryan superman, but like some drunken reject at the local pub? No. No, that is not at all odd.

Given that the supporters of the BNP are more or less defined by their strong and irrational preference for people who look just like them ...

... well, you can figure it out for yourself.

[MaGZ]

He doesn't like liberals, or immigrants, or democrats, or government employees, either.

He loves America, though.

While hating 93% of the people who live in it.

You're not very good at mind reading.

[Dr Adequate]

You're not very good at mind reading. What was he wrong about ... the bit where he said you loved America?

Do tell.

[MaGZ]

The thread is about Nick Griffin and his performance on the BBC program isn't it? I know the reason you want to talk about everything here but NG is due to the result of you lynching. A bit embarrassing, now I guess. So now you introduce the nation to Nick Griffin and you shudder at how well he will do at the polls next time. It seems things didn't go according to plan.

[Dr Adequate]

The thread is about Nick Griffin and his performance on the BBC program isn't it? I know the reason you want to talk about everything here but NG is due to the result of you lynching. A bit embarrassing, now I guess. So now you introduce the nation to Nick Griffin and you shudder at how well he will do at the polls next time. It seems things didn't go according to plan. As I was the last person to post on this thread before your latest exhibition of gibberish, I must assume that it was directed at me; but that is the only reason that I have to suppose that this nonsensical jumble of words is directed at me.

I think perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it is directed at the fantasy version of me who lives in your head.

I am loath to speak for the imaginary people who live in your head, but I think that if your fantasy version of me is even remotely similar to me, he would prefer it if you could form your obtuse ravings into grammatical sentences.

[Darat]

The thread is about Nick Griffin and his performance on the BBC program isn't it? I know the reason you want to talk about everything here but NG is due to the result of you lynching. A bit embarrassing, now I guess. So now you introduce the nation to Nick Griffin and you shudder at how well he will do at the polls next time. It seems things didn't go according to plan.

Nick Griffin has been lynched? When? That didn't make any of the major news outlets in the UK.

[Eddie Dane]

"We must not betray the old, tolerant and generous practice of free entry and asylum to which this country has so long adhered, and from which it has so greatly gained."

The person who this quote belongs to? None other than Winston Churchill himself. It would be helpful if Griffin heard it.

I believe there is a quite detailed anti-Islam chapter in The River War, by Churchill.

Griffin may be referring to that.

[Darat]

Yep when it comes to views on what we now refer to as racism Churchill is not a good example to hold up.

[Eddie Dane]

Yep when it comes to views on what we now refer to as racism Churchill is not a good example to hold up.

Come to think of it.

If one wanted to back up their racism, they could pick almost any white person from colonial times.

And now I will quote HP Lovecraft to prove that dark skinned people are lazy and untrustworthy.

[funk de fino]

The thread is about Nick Griffin and his performance on the BBC program isn't it? I know the reason you want to talk about everything here but NG is due to the result of you lynching. A bit embarrassing, now I guess. So now you introduce the nation to Nick Griffin and you shudder at how well he will do at the polls next time. It seems things didn't go according to plan.

You are the last person that should be talking about lynching.

Hows that race war coming MaGZ? Bit of an epic prediction fail eh?

[Rolfe]

Well, I did hear the owner of our village newsagent's shop complaining vocally that he couldn't get away with anything on the football field because he was "the only Asian in the [rule-10] Borders league".

I think his complaint was one of excessive conspicuity though, not racial discrimination.

Rolfe.

[Perfume V]

A bit embarrassing, now I guess. So now you introduce the nation to Nick Griffin and you shudder at how well he will do at the polls next time. It seems things didn't go according to plan.

Speaking of things not going according to plan, the BNP have just been thrashed by Labour (http://www.lgcplus.com/policy-and-politics/elections/labour-fends-off-bnp-to-hold-barnsley/5007457.article)at a recent by-election.

From Private Eye:

The Labour vote rose by 555 over last year's total of 965 and the BNP's was down 45 from last year's 635.