Top 10 Connections between NIST and Nanothermite

[RedIbis]

Looks like Waterboy opened up another hydrant of stupid. Clearly, there is no such thing as "Sol-gel nanothermites, [...]often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite."

And there certainly are no connections between the industry that produces these products, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.

Obviously, if anyone would be in a position to recognize if nanothermites were used, it would be NIST. So when they told us they didn't look for evidence of explosives because it wasn't there, they closed the case on this one.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

[RedIbis]

I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.

[Dave Rogers]

How does this thread tie in to your professed lack of belief in 9/11 being an inside job, Red?

Dave

[WildCat]

lol

[WildCat]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

[BasqueArch]

Looks like Waterboy opened up another hydrant of stupid. Clearly, there is no such thing as "Sol-gel nanothermites, [...]often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite."

And there certainly are no connections between the industry that produces these products, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.

Obviously, if anyone would be in a position to recognize if nanothermites were used, it would be NIST. So when they told us they didn't look for evidence of explosives because it wasn't there, they closed the case on this one.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

1) No explosives / ther* - dogs checked it out



Post by tfk

BTW, just one more (of about 6) definitive proofs of "no themite, no explosives"...

But, IMO, a superb proof.

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html?showComment=1240395840000#c61016 65985354960506

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

...

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
__

Tom

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2) WTC1,2 debris removed at site and all handsorted at Fresh Kills - no evidence of chords, detonators etc by anyone, onsite or off.

3) No evidence of explosively damaged perimeter or core column assemblies.


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Still Utterly Completely Entirely Conclusively Wrong.

Again.
Give It Up.

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You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into - Swift

[Brainster]

11. Both begin with the letter "N".

[johnny karate]

I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.

Ah yes, the infamous Kevin Ryan Nanothermite Paper of 2008. Who could forget that tumultuous summer after this bombshell was dropped? The worldwide support it received, the blitz of media coverage, the riots, the overthrowing of governments.... It is truly a landmark in the annals of sociopolitical history and scientific thought. In short, it changed the world.

Meanwhile, back in reality, no one paid any attention to nonsense on a conspiracy theorist website, and over a year later RedIbis went rummaging through the Truther Dumpster to post it in another one of his stupid "I dare you to debunk it" threads.

[dudalb]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

If there is something more stupid, a Truther will find it.
Everytime I say "This is it. You cannot get any more stupid then this", the Truthers manage to surprise me......

[RedIbis]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

Exactly. Look at this stupid quote.


“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces. We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings. The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film. Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”
(Gash et al 2002).

[McHrozni]

11. Both begin with the letter "N".

Nah, this is not 11, more like 3 at least.

McHrozni

[johnny karate]

Exactly. Look at this stupid quote.

Yes, it's nearly as convincing as when you dishonestly parse firefighter testimony to prove WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

[DavidJames]

How does this thread tie in to your professed lack of belief in 9/11 being an inside job, Red?

DaveI could be wrong but I think Red is attempting to employ sarcasm, wit, irony and other advanced elements of human communication. He's trying to make a claim without the baggage usually associated with making a claim.

[ferd burfle]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?


I prepared a sol-gel ceramic years ago in my work and one of the key aspects of preparation was that after coating the substrate, the sol (solution) had to be dried or fired to drive out the solvent. The firing had to be done in a controlled fashion in order to get the desired microstructure, you couldn't just let it sit at room temperature or hit it with a hair dryer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol-gel a few paragraphs down for more on the drying step.

The idea that a sol-gel material could be applied to the steel in the WTC and then properly fired is ridiculous on so many levels I don't know where to start. Vaporizing hundreds of pounds of solvent in an office building with no one noticing is only one of the problems.

So the answer to your question, WildCat, is no, not much.

ferd

[WildCat]

Exactly. Look at this stupid quote.
The "stupid" part comes not from the existence of such material in a lab, but the idea that every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with this stuff, nobody said anything or noticed anything suspicious, and that it was capable of destroying the towers. Again, without anyone noticing that, for example, a steel truss was on fire.

Incredibly, unbelievably, unfathomably stupid. And I've only scratched the surface as to why.

[fourtoe]

1) No explosives / ther* - dogs checked it out



Post by tfk

BTW, just one more (of about 6) definitive proofs of "no themite, no explosives"...

But, IMO, a superb proof.

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html?showComment=1240395840000#c61016 65985354960506

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

...

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
__

Tom

================================================== =
2) WTC1,2 debris removed at site and all handsorted at Fresh Kills - no evidence of chords, detonators etc by anyone, onsite or off.

3) No evidence of explosively damaged perimeter or core column assemblies.


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Still Utterly Completely Entirely Conclusively Wrong.

Again.
Give It Up.

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You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into - Swift


Dogs are so awesome. I need to start calling Truthers out using this point because I think it might actually be beneath Truthers to say that the dogs were part of the inside job.

[carlitos]

The dogs were all paid off with kosher milk bones by their Mossad handlers.
:dogt:

[beachnut]

I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.
It is great when you post dirt dumb stuff from the frauds who dumb down 9/11 for those who can't understand reality. That is the most anti-intellectual journal I have seen. Good job exposing paranoid nut case conspiracy dolts. Nice job.

[twinstead]

The dogs were all paid off with kosher milk bones by their Mossad handlers.
:dogt:

"oy RUFF!" "oy RUFF!"

[Furcifer]

"... like a fairy tale, just made it up"
"Zing!"
"And now ladies and gentlemen for your viewing pleasure, today's number 1 top 10 connection to thermite and the guys at NIST"
"Any guess Paul? Just take a guess"
"No idea Dave"
"None Paul?"
"Not a clue Dave"
"The number 1 connection between thermite and NIST......."
"Faulty logic, faulty logic ladies and gentlemen"
"I knew that Dave"

[KJC]

When NIST wrote their FAQ they only talked about thermite. That's because at the time, twoofers hadn't dreamt up there nanoo thermite yet.

NIST could not have imagined the stupidity of twoofers to come up with this stuff, and it's probably because of NIST's experience with "nanothermite" (do they even have any?) that they knew it could never have been applied to a building demolition.

[RedIbis]

When NIST wrote their FAQ they only talked about thermite. That's because at the time, twoofers hadn't dreamt up there nanoo thermite yet.

NIST could not have imagined the stupidity of twoofers to come up with this stuff, and it's probably because of NIST's experience with "nanothermite" (do they even have any?) that they knew it could never have been applied to a building demolition.

You think twoofers came up with nanothermites?

[Brainache]

You think twoofers came up with nanothermites?

As a means of demolishing skyscrapers? - Yes. Yes they did.

[JamesB]

The stupid part is that a millimeter thick coat of nano-thermite is going to blow through a steel beam. It would do nothing more than make a bright flash. Try taking some gun powder and spreading it out on the floor and tossing a match to it. It will not blow a hole in your floor. It might take off your eyebrows though.

[16.5]

You think twoofers came up with nanothermites?

Hey Fwacter, why don't you follow up your silly little post with a little math on how a nanometer thick layer of super thermite can heat up a beam measured in meters.

Or just get mad about the fact that most of us consider "twoofers" or as you like to be called "facters" the same worthless douchebags. Yeah, whine about that, "facter."

[BasqueArch]

Ah yes, the infamous Kevin Ryan Nanothermite Paper of 2008. Who could forget that tumultuous summer after this bombshell was dropped? The worldwide support it received, the blitz of media coverage, the riots, the overthrowing of governments.... It is truly a landmark in the annals of sociopolitical history and scientific thought. In short, it changed the world.

Meanwhile, back in reality, no one paid any attention to nonsense on a conspiracy theorist website, and over a year later RedIbis went rummaging through the Truther Dumpster to post it in another one of his stupid "I dare you to debunk it" threads.

It is great when you post dirt dumb stuff from the frauds who dumb down 9/11 for those who can't understand reality. That is the most anti-intellectual journal I have seen. Good job exposing paranoid nut case conspiracy dolts. Nice job.

The dogs were all paid off with kosher milk bones by their Mossad handlers.
:dogt:

"oy RUFF!" "oy RUFF!"



Indefatigable J-REFers Valiantly Mine
Yet Fail To Deplete
Inexhaustible Lode of Falser Stupid.


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[Algebra34]

1) No explosives / ther* - dogs checked it out



Post by tfk

BTW, just one more (of about 6) definitive proofs of "no themite, no explosives"...

But, IMO, a superb proof.

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html?showComment=1240395840000#c61016 65985354960506

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

...

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
__

Tom

================================================== =
2) WTC1,2 debris removed at site and all handsorted at Fresh Kills - no evidence of chords, detonators etc by anyone, onsite or off.

3) No evidence of explosively damaged perimeter or core column assemblies.


================================================== =

Still Utterly Completely Entirely Conclusively Wrong.

Again.
Give It Up.

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You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into - Swift


Dogs? Just google - dogs failed explosives

Dogs?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Meanwhile back at Truther Headquarters:

Truther1: "Hey lets make up a story about thermite and say it was used in the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?"

Truther2: "Great idea! Then after that gets debunked we'll claim it's thermate."

Truther3: "Guys, fellas. I had a vision last night, how about super-thermite?"

Truther4: "NO, NO, NO, NO! You guys are missing the point. If we claim it's thermite, thermate and super-thermite it'll get debunked like that. Let's claim that nano-thermite brought down the Towers!"

Truther5: "EXCELLENT IDEA! That way it'll be impossible to detect since it's microscopic. All those in favor say "I"!

Everyone says "I"

Truth Movement Counsel: "Brillant fellas, thanks for that great piece of disinformation. Motion carried!"

[TexasJack]

Dogs? Just google - dogs failed explosives

Dogs?

Oh HI. making that stupid argument I see.

[dropzone]

Bill, just a request: Could you try learning something about what you are posting about BEFORE posting? Just once? I've only been here a couple months and your profound, and hard-fought, ignorance about pretty much anything leaves you wide open to be ripped apart every time you post, and also leaves you unaware that it had happened so you do it over and over again.

Really, by now a planarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian) with a functioning nervous system would have figured out that "any post by anybody else" equaled "I just got burnt" and would avoid interactions with higher lifeforms.

[TokenMac]

Dogs? Just google - dogs failed explosives

Dogs?

OK, I get five diffrent links to this story
http://animalbehaviorcounselors.org/members/newsletter/0303/dogfraud.shtml

Which is about a bomb-detection dog business in Virginia, that failed several test. It didn't say that they where at or had anything to do with 9/11, nor that bomb-detection dogs from any other groups were unreliable.

[tfk]

Dogs? Just google - dogs failed explosives

Dogs?

Is this supposed to be, like, ya know, an argument ...?

Would you care to try again?

You might want to consider a) the quantity & b) the packaging of your comparison examples.

Tom

[jhunter1163]

Indefatigable J-REFers Valiantly Mine
Yet Fail To Deplete
Inexhaustible Lode of Falser Stupid.


This reminds me of the great Scholars Folly Quote Mine collapse of 2006.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66760

[BasqueArch]

This reminds me of the great Scholars Folly Quote Mine collapse of 2006.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66760

Thanks JH

30 out of the park posts.
That Thread Lies in Another Beyond Unsurpassed Funny Dimension.:D
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.' - Alice in Wonderland

[Edx]

Why do truthers think fire cant cause steel to fail but spraying on a thin layer of nanothermite can?

lol

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Why do truthers think fire cant cause steel to fail but spraying on a thin layer of nanothermite can?

lol

Probably sniffing the spray can made them think it can!

:D

[RedIbis]

The "stupid" part comes not from the existence of such material in a lab, but the idea that every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with this stuff

Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff? Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

Is there a connection between NIST and nanothermites? Yes or no.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff? Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

Is there a connection between NIST and nanothermites? Yes or no.

David Ray Griffin of course! That's Griffins exaggeration mind you.

NO!

I don't know how anyone could ever go from Thermite, to Thermate, to Super-Thermite to end up with Nano-Thermite. It's all the same stuff if anyone actually looks it up.

[RedIbis]

David Ray Griffin of course! That's Griffins exaggeration mind you.

NO!

I don't know how anyone could ever go from Thermite, to Thermate, to Super-Thermite to end up with Nano-Thermite. It's all the same stuff if anyone actually looks it up.

Quote him then.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Quote him then.

He actually quotes himself in National Geographic's "9/11: Science & Conspiracy" program that aired in September.

If you remember?

[TexasJack]

Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

No, claiming nano-thermite is a sign of desperation.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Now this is funny:

ABEL: … what about that letter where NIST said it didn’t look for evidence of explosives?

NEUMAN: Right, because there was no evidence of that.

ABEL: But how can you know there’s no evidence if you don’t look for it first?

NEUMAN: If you’re looking for something that isn’t there, you’re wasting your time….

Neuman's absolutely right. Truthers claim that "Nano-thermite" is there, but then when the findings from previous tests only tell us that there was no "nano-thermite" in the dust.

Has David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones or Richard Gage actually tested the dust samples themselves?

If they haven't, they're producing a red herring!

[16.5]

Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff? Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

Is there a connection between NIST and nanothermites? Yes or no.

"Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff?" No one Red. You know Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

I don't mean to get ahead of you Facter, but are we to assume that your point in this little exercise is that Big Nano-Thermite and NIST got together to bring down the towers?

Well Red, I got to hand it to you, that is spectacularly idiotic, even for a Truther Facter like yourself.

Red, we know you are just JAQ'ing off, but for god's sake, lad, pull yourself together.

[TexasJack]

OK, I get five diffrent links to this story
http://animalbehaviorcounselors.org/members/newsletter/0303/dogfraud.shtml

Which is about a bomb-detection dog business in Virginia, that failed several test. It didn't say that they where at or had anything to do with 9/11, nor that bomb-detection dogs from any other groups were unreliable.

This was brought up by HI here, if you want to witness some ultimate stupid from him just go through that thread.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=147660&highlight=bombs+dogs

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Even if there was "nano-thermite" it would'nt leave a trace of itself once it's burned.

We're talking about particules of aluminum dust & iron rust that are microscopic that you'd have to find them with a microscope.

Microscopic particules burn out in a fraction of a second.

So to say that the Towers were brought down by "nano-thermite" is looking rather stupid & idiotic to even bring up in a conversation.

A nano is "one billionth" the size of regular dust particules.

And you're talking about lbs of the stuff? LMAO!

[CHF]

So, as I understand it, the truthers have narrowed down their WTC thermite options to:

1) it was sprayed on

2) it acted as a (pointless) ignition source for conventional explosives

I'm not sure which is dumber.

[RedIbis]

"Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff?" No one Red.

There's no need to be more obnoxious than usual. Check post #15

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

So, as I understand it, the truthers have narrowed down their WTC thermite options to:

1) it was sprayed on

2) it acted as a (pointless) ignition source for conventional explosives

I'm not sure which is dumber.

I'll sum that up in one word for ya CHF:

BOTH

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Here's what Sol-Gel nano's look like under the microscope:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Coll_1.jpg/300px-Coll_1.jpg
SEM micrograph of amorphous colloidal silica particles (average particle diameter 600 nm) precipitated in basic solution from TEOS using ammonium hydroxide as a morphological catalyst.

The sol-gel process is a wet-chemical technique (a.k.a. chemical solution deposition) widely used recently in the fields of materials science and ceramic engineering. Such methods are used primarily for the fabrication of materials (typically a metal oxide) starting from a chemical solution which acts as the precursor for an integrated network (or gel) of either discrete particles or network polymers. Typical precursors are metal alkoxides and metal chlorides, which undergo various forms of hydrolysis and polycondensation reactions. The formation of a metal oxide involves connecting the metal centers with oxo (M-O-M) or hydroxo (M-OH-M) bridges, therefore generating metal-oxo or metal-hydroxo polymers in solution. Thus, the sol evolves towards the formation of a gel-like diphasic system containing both a liquid phase and solid phase whose morphologies range from discrete particles to continuous polymer networks.

The interest in sol-gel processing can be traced back in the mid-1880s with the observation that the hydrolysis of tetraethyl orthosilicate (TEOS) under acidic conditions led to the formation of SiO2 in the form of fibers and monoliths. Sol-gel research grew to be so important that in the 1990s more than 35,000 papers were published worldwide on the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol-gel

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

If Red wants to go in depth about nano-thermite, there's more than 35,000 papers available about it in a Sol-Gel form.

[BasqueArch]

So, as I understand it, the truthers have narrowed down their WTC thermite options to:

1) it was sprayed on

2) it acted as a (pointless) ignition source for conventional explosives

I'm not sure which is dumber.

It was sprayed on.

(Instructions in back of nano-thermate can)

Notes Apply What Is Proper Way To Put Material:

Your columns are focal point of building. Be sure that columns painting meshing techniques and choice of most flattering to your surreptitiouse purpose when reinstaling.

Outside columns takeout aluminunum covers put by watercoler remove all hand plaster from columns four sides remember not forget three sides outside of windows. Inside remove columns plaster sheets. Throw trash down elevators.

With color C create the illusion new shapes and discrete sizes. Always mind light colors highlight errors and dark colors enter in the suspicious of authorities especialy paint not dry to touching.

Recede over when approached by questioners so as to disguise the plaster of reapplication in time for drying in two coat . It's Aluminumnum powder color A column shadows be convenient do not hurry when surprised by owner of office says "Hey what you doing in my office" reply with singles or coordinated duos, or quads. A tested reply assurance OK and go on.

Try to find far away columns that are hily misterious. Simply put, you want material you see in container to not see after aplycation. When aplying material sweep the stroke over entire area from illusion edged to neck widow. This sweep will be base application first slowly and is to complete job reduce strain energy tender forearms. It will prevent creasing etc etc.

Put plaster on columns outside of windows , aluminumum column covers place to look as if not touched. After plaster work dry applying base coat, apply second wait dry. Remember plaster removal first steel paint on upper parts tardy not other way. Its part that most error apply. No.

Third coat be added. Use a deep, dark depth. Apply this along the line, and at the outer drawers emphasizing the crease of the corner at steel lips. Arrest attrition ,this is more defined receptacles.

How you apply final coat help smaller, wider set or closer together. Key is blend well that attention still away from recent work arrested not "just applied".

Install ceiling tile.

There done.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

They must've sprayed some magical pixie dust, oh I'm sorry Truthers, it wasn't pixie dust but Nano-thermite *cough* pixie dust *cough* that they put on the support columns.

But then the mystery really thickens, or does it?, that the application of sol-gel on the columns weren't noticed in the dust.

Could it possibly be that the sprayed on nano-thermite is really an invisibility cloak in order to hide the particules in the dust?

There you have it, sprayed on nano-thermite is actually a invisibility spray that transforms into nothing & is shown as nothing in the tests results.

[jaydeehess]

Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff? Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

Is there a connection between NIST and nanothermites? Yes or no.

are you asking if there 7 or fewer degrees of separation between the organization known as NIST and the material known as nano-thermite?

Probably not eh RI? After all asking such a question would be patently stupid.

I live in a small town in the center of Canada, I have a diploma in electronic technology yet I have relatively few degrees of separation to the substance in question.

I went to university in Ottawa. I lived in a suite in the university residence and was friendly with the others in the suite including a chemistry major who was working on his masters degree. In the summer he worked for the USN (he was a US citizen). He worked with other military chemistry Ph.D.'s some of whom had previously worked for the Air Force and specifically on incidiaries. I don't know if they were thermite based but even if they were not these guys would know the people who were.

Besides, theere's an "N" in the name of the town I live in!!!1!!!!!:eek:

[jaydeehess]

So, does the paper explain how much heat energy would be imparted to the steel by a millimeter coating of thermite(of any flavour), accross say a specific surface area, and how this would be enough to cause said WTC steel columns to be compromised in any way?

[johnny karate]

Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.

I like how Red manufactures random, nonsensical aphorisms when he can't otherwise support an argument.

[jaydeehess]

Well, if exaggeration is a sign of desperation that means that ol' bill smith and a few other TM's are quite the desparadoes.

[WildCat]

Who said every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with the stuff? Exaggeration is a sign of desperation.
How can I exaggerate what you haven't claimed? Got any claims RedIbis? No? Then I'm free to make assumptions based on your cowardly open-ended posting style.

Is there a connection between NIST and nanothermites? Yes or no.
No, NIST did not develop nano-thermite to blow up the WTC and then claim it was done by airplanes when they were tasked to investigate the collapses..

It is my belief that only someone either incredibly stupid or mentally ill would believe such a thing. You don't believe that, do you Red?

[johnny karate]

Well, if exaggeration is a sign of desperation that means that ol' bill smith and a few other TM's are quite the desparadoes.

It's a phrase that doesn't makes sense on it's own, and particularly not in the context of this thread where there's been absolutely nothing presented to make anyone feel remotely "desperate" about anything.

Par for course for the level of argumentation we get from RedIbis. He might as well have just said "Reading these words is a sign of you being wrong".

[jhunter1163]

It was sprayed on.

(Instructions in back of nano-thermate can)

Notes Apply What Is Proper Way To Put Material:


<snip>

Nominated!

I'm still laughing...

[TexasJack]

Look, AE911 added a meteorologist and he has discovered El Niño-thermite at the WTC.

[HeyLeroy]

Besides, theere's an "N" in the name of the town I live in!!!1!!!!!:eek:

I guess that rules out Moose Jaw.

So, does the paper explain how much heat energy would be imparted to the steel by a millimeter coating of thermite(of any flavour), accross say a specific surface area, and how this would be enough to cause said WTC steel columns to be compromised in any way?

One millimeter = 0.039 inch.

ETA: About the thickness of a stack of 13 sheets of typing paper.

[Brainache]

Look, AE911 added a meteorologist and he has discovered El Niño-thermite at the WTC.

I heard that an English baby-sitter joined up and has a theory about nanny-thermite...

[16.5]

There's no need to be more obnoxious than usual. Check post #15

Zing!

Red you are so *********** easy.

Lay out a little bait, and Red sucks it down like Aldo at all you eat Pie Day.

How about the rest of my post champ? You know, the part where I pointed out your stupid theory suggests that NIST and BIG SuperThermite where in on it?

[UNLoVedRebel]

I heard that an English baby-sitter joined up and has a theory about nanny-thermite...

That was yesterday's news. Recently, an Italian grandma gave absolute proof of nana-thermite.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Could be worse, check this granny out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOr4vx-35Ks

LOL! :D

[Brainache]

That was yesterday's news. Recently, an Italian grandma gave absolute proof of nana-thermite.

Wouldn't that be Nonna-Thermite?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Wouldn't that be Nonna-Thermite?
Not the Italian-American spelling.

[Scott Sommers]

This is simply amazing. The amount of research on nano-thermite is so much more than I ever imagined. It's going on everywhere. It almost seems that the entire US scientific community is mobolized around the idea of advancements in nanothermite. No wonder the technology was so developed in 2001 that it could be used to demolish the largest building in the world.

How are these scientists connected to the actual demolishion of the WTC? Which ones produced the thermite that was used? Name some names. It's amazing how quite the thermite community is staying on this considering they must have deep understanding of what happened that day. Any ideas on why that could be?

I'm so glad you posted this document again. I feel so much convinced knowing that nano-thermite research is so much more developed than I ever imagined.

[dropzone]

Normally, sarcasm is unbecoming. Scott, you make it work. :D

[MIKILLINI]

Looks like Waterboy opened up another hydrant of stupid. Clearly, there is no such thing as "Sol-gel nanothermites, [...]often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite."

And there certainly are no connections between the industry that produces these products, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.

Obviously, if anyone would be in a position to recognize if nanothermites were used, it would be NIST. So when they told us they didn't look for evidence of explosives because it wasn't there, they closed the case on this one.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf


As time goes by, these people prove stupidity and outright ignorance remain within the false conspiracy movement.

[Bobert]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

LOOK!
You may doubt it all you want BUT LAST NIGHT we took our son to see, "Cloudy with a chance of meatballs" and he had SPRAY ON SHOES!!!!!!

[Brattus]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

Well I guess it could. I'm waiting for them to start claiming 9/11 happened on 9/10 or 9/12.

[MIKILLINI]

Well I guess it could. I'm waiting for them to start claiming 9/11 happened on 9/10 or 9/12.

Some are checking their calenders now, they may claim a skipped or added leap year conspiracy.:D

[Scott Sommers]

Normally, sarcasm is unbecoming. Scott, you make it work. :D

No, no...no sarcasm here. That's why I'm going to give our Truther friends a hand. You don't need an 'official' investigation to get good stuff going. Let's start compiling a list of all the thermite experts in the USA. Then we can start reading their technical research and figure out who's been working on the spray on thermite.

Spray on thermite...have you ever heard of such a cool idea? If I could get a hold of some of that, I could have the best Halloween party in my neighborhood.

[Scott Sommers]

Let's have a look at the words of wisdom from Kevin Ryan. From the document itself on p. 2.

"...the amazing correlation between floors of impact and floors of apparent failure suggests that spray-on nano-thermite materials may have been applied to the steel components of the WTC buildings, underneath the upgraded fireproofing."

Let's play a game and change the words.
...the amazing correlation between where I was struck by the car and which bones in my body broke...

Bird, I have to ask you, did you read this before you posted it? I'm starting to loose interest in 911 Truth. The complete lack of thinking that gets passed off as critique was funny for a while, but this isn't fun anymore. It's almost like they are willing to say anything without any thought or any sense of shame about how stupid it sounds.

Reading Kevin Ryan about spray on thermite is a waste of time.

[Scott Sommers]

Let's have a look at the words of wisdom from Kevin Ryan. From the document itself on p. 2.

...the amazing correlation between floors of impact and floors of apparent failure suggests that spray-on nano-thermite materials may have been applied to the steel components of the WTC buildings, underneath the upgraded fireproofing."

Let's play a game and change the words.
......the amazing correlation between where I was struck by the car and which bones in my body broke...

Bird, I have to ask you, did you read this before you posted it? I'm starting to loose interest in 911 Truth. The complete lack of thinking that gets passed off as critique was funny for a while, but this isn't fun anymore. It's almost like they are willing to say anything without any thought or any sense of shame about how stupid it sounds.

Reading Kevin Ryan about spray on thermite is a waste of time.

[dafydd]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

Well you have spray -on cheese over there.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I think this one's self explainatory:
http://www.onlyhairloss.com/glh/glh_can.jpghttp://www.onlyhairloss.com/glh/before_after.jpg

[TruthersLie]

It appears that the little birdy has flown away...

drats, foiled again.

[sylvan8798]

It was sprayed on.

(Instructions in back of nano-thermate can)

Notes Apply What Is Proper Way To Put Material:



I think you need a set of safety warnings to go with this. You know how much those construction guys smoke and all.

[jaydeehess]

I guess that rules out Moose Jaw.


.

,,, and Ottawa, Calgary, Quebec City, and Victoria and even Sioux Lookout, Pickle Lake, Climax, or or Whitemouth

[HeyLeroy]

:D

[dropzone]

(singing)

Moose Jaw saw a few, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace and a Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0HIXt5IME

[Klimax]

,,, and Ottawa, Calgary, Quebec City, and Victoria and even Sioux Lookout, Pickle Lake, CKlimax, or or Whitemouth

Looks like somebody got my name wrong... :D

[BasqueArch]

Originally Posted by BasqueArch View Post
It was sprayed on.

(Instructions in back of nano-thermate can)

Notes Apply What Is Proper Way To Put Material:




<snip>

Nominated!

I'm still laughing...




Posted sylvan8798
I think you need a set of safety warnings to go with this. You know how much those construction guys smoke and all.



:D

[dc1971]

Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

How about licked-on nano-super-termite-thermite?? Or maybe gastro-intestinal thermite? You know, the kind of thermite where you cut the cheese and it blows up buildings?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

How about licked-on nano-super-termite-thermite?? Or maybe gastro-intestinal thermite? You know, the kind of thermite where you cut the cheese and it blows up buildings?

I could imagine the headliner on that one:

Scientists, Architects & Engineers say that Farts brought down the WTCs'!

:dl:

[dc1971]

I could imagine the headliner on that one:

Scientists, Architects & Engineers say that Farts brought down the WTCs'!

:dl:

Oh my God! I'm outta breath!! That's so funny!

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Oh my God! I'm outta breath!! That's so funny!

Maybe those were the "explosions" the Truthers are talking about. ;)

[dc1971]

Maybe those were the "explosions" the Truthers are talking about. ;)


HA HAHAHAHAAA!! You know, I could pay a visit to Ground Zero tomorrow and set up my own little display showing how flatulence destroyed the twin towers!

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Laugh or cry or both at this one. Found it here:

http://www.porcelainpoetry.faketrix.com/funny-toilets-comedy-humor-picture-45-farting-thought.htm

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

HA HAHAHAHAAA!! You know, I could pay a visit to Ground Zero tomorrow and set up my own little display showing how flatulence destroyed the twin towers!

Great idea! Then you can say that what the Truthers believe in is crap!