RR: Relativity is an "unproved theory"/"has nothing to do with physics"

[WinAce]

Check out this amazing topic on RaptureReady (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122124) about scientists messing up a light beam. The real fun begins on page 2 or so.

It almost seems like *any* claim science makes is automatically disqualified in the mind of these fundies... Here are some highlights:

"That [Relativity] is actually still just a theory. Its also one that I've never believed in. Yes, I know the story of how they had 2 exactly timed clocks, sent one into space and when it returned it was off by a fraction of a second. ANYTHING could have affected that clock in space tho.. from atmospheric effects to radiological ones. You will have a hard time ever convincing me that time is anything more than point:a to point:b
- Dorko, Here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1384077#post1384077)

"Theory - 'Not derived from experience; speculative; to form opinions solely by speculation'

According to Webster's dictionary. Meaning; Einstein's theory, however attractive on paper, has never been proven to be true. It is just that ; a theory. And that's not what I think it means, that's what Webster's says it is. It isn't truth, until it can be proven. It doesn't matter how many other 'theories' have been based on this in the past century it is still a 'theory'. It you based all of you thruth on centuries old theory, then you should believe in evolution too, which also cannot be proven.
- Gary, Here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1385930#post1385930)

"This 'theory' of his has absolutley nothing at all to do with physics of any type, modern or ancient, whatsoever. You cannot base ANY proven fact of physics on an UNPROVEN theory. It can't be done.
- Dorko, Here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1385972#post1385972)

"How can you say this when it is impossible to 'observe' time slowing down in relation to acceleration as velocity approches C? There IS no 'observed evidence' to cooroborate Einstein's theory, just speculation and mathematical equations. - Gary, Here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1387337#post1387337)

It's times like this that I'm glad "Jesus H. Christ" was invented as a cussword...

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by WinAce

It almost seems like *any* claim science makes is automatically disqualified in the mind of these fundies:


Of course, because if they accepted science they might have to question their beliefs in that light. I get the distinct impression that they have no desire to question their beliefs in any light, much less one that might show them as being inconstistant with reality. It's much easier for them to discard sceince and reason instead.

[c4ts]

Einstein has been spinning in his grave so hard he entered a state of undeath and returned to eat their brains. Unfortunately, he couldn't find any.

[Yahweh]

"Theory - 'Not derived from experience; speculative; to form opinions solely by speculation'

According to Webster's dictionary. Meaning; Einstein's theory, however attractive on paper, has never been proven to be true. It is just that ; a theory. And that's not what I think it means, that's what Webster's says it is. It isn't truth, until it can be proven. It doesn't matter how many other 'theories' have been based on this in the past century it is still a 'theory'. It you based all of you thruth on centuries old theory, then you should believe in evolution too, which also cannot be proven.
- Gary, Here
I love it when they negate their own beliefs...

About "Webster's says", aint semantics a hoot!

[Zero]

The problem with the overly religious is that they have so shifted their mindset away from reality, that reality itself really doesn't exist for them. Nothing in the world works for a rational reason, but because of magical forces swirling around. And, of course, all knowledge to them is based on faith and belief, and they assume that is how everyone else works to.

They don't see that their strategy for viewing the world is broken, possibly beyond repair.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by WinAce
Check out this amazing topic on RaptureReady (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122124) about scientists messing up a light beam. The real fun begins on page 2 or so. **sputter** **gasp** **cough**

So dense...can't...penetrate...stupidity...with coherent...thought...

**twitch**

[Funkenstien]

Silly non believers. The Bible clearly disproves all scientific thought.

Revelations 1:4, the third word:

" the. "


See? its that simple.






:D

[Funkenstien]

According to Webster's dictionary. Meaning; Einstein's theory, however attractive on paper, has never been proven to be true. It is just that ; a theory. And that's not what I think it means, that's what Webster's says it is. It isn't truth, until it can be proven. It doesn't matter how many other 'theories' have been based on this in the past century it is still a 'theory'. It you based all of you thruth on centuries old theory, then you should believe in evolution too, which also cannot be proven.

and how come Emmanuel Lewis has suddenly become the end all for knowledge? I mean, he was cute and all, but i mean really...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Funkenstien
Silly non believers. The Bible clearly disproves all scientific thought.

Revelations 1:4, the third word:

" the. "


See? its that simple.
Well I must say my eyes have been OPENED! And I see the light! And it burns!

[Funkenstien]

Well I must say my eyes have been OPENED! And I see the light! And it burns!


That's just the Holy Water I douse... err "purified you " with. on your knees sinner! :P

[Flaherty]

Originally posted by Zero
The problem with the overly religious is that they have so shifted their mindset away from reality, that reality itself really doesn't exist for them. Nothing in the world works for a rational reason, but because of magical forces swirling around. And, of course, all knowledge to them is based on faith and belief, and they assume that is how everyone else works to.

They don't see that their strategy for viewing the world is broken, possibly beyond repair.

I think that's probably a pretty accurate assessment. I would add that it's those who are overly religious and who believe in a God who is hyperactive in the world, eg, controlling the fall of every sparrow. It is a complete surrender to superstition and it is very depressing.

[LFTKBS]

Can't we make it somehow so that people who think science is detrimental aren't allowed to use it?

I mean, they're using computers, right? Watch to the Weather Channel? Take medicine? Drive cars? Eat safe food? Clean water? Electricity? GAH! sdlafha;sorhq

Why don't they move out to the middle of the desert, throw out all their stuff, and Do What Jesus Did?

[shemp]

If you locked a zombie in a roomful of fundies, it would starve to death.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by shemp
If you locked a zombie in a roomful of fundies, it would starve to death.

I thought fundies WERE zombies.

But if you found a non-fundie zombie and locked it in a room full of fundies, I think their drivel would drive the poor creature to suicide long before it starved to death.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Flaherty


I think that's probably a pretty accurate assessment. I would add that it's those who are overly religious and who believe in a God who is hyperactive in the world, eg, controlling the fall of every sparrow. It is a complete surrender to superstition and it is very depressing. The depressing part is that they insist on their idiocy to be placed next to real science, and 'let the students decide'.

[WonderfulWorld]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


I thought fundies WERE zombies.

But if you found a non-fundie zombie and locked it in a room full of fundies, I think their drivel would drive the poor creature to suicide long before it starved to death.

You joke, but it's not funny. I was "channel surfing" the other night, and came across a Catholic cable network (EWTN? ETWN? I forget.) On my screen were some 50 nuns, "praying the rosary" (I guess). The delivery was monotone, with "zero affect" expressions. The first word on my mind was "undead." I'm serious, here. They actually sounded like a scene from "Night of the Living Dead"!

I changed the channel.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by WonderfulWorld


You joke, but it's not funny. I was "channel surfing" the other night, and came across a Catholic cable network (EWTN? ETWN? I forget.) On my screen were some 50 nuns, "praying the rosary" (I guess). The delivery was monotone, with "zero affect" expressions. The first word on my mind was "undead." I'm serious, here. They actually sounded like a scene from "Night of the Living Dead"!

I changed the channel.

Have you ever seen that commercial for that Time life Christian music CD collection (I think it is called "Songs of Worship")? Watch the scenes where they show crowds watching these songs. Their slack jawed, vacant expressions scream "ZOMBIE!" too.

It scares me that there are people who find this to be a desirable mental state.

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Have you ever seen that commercial for that Time life Christian music CD collection (I think it is called "Songs of Worship")? Watch the scenes where they show crowds watching these songs. Their slack jawed, vacant expressions scream "ZOMBIE!" too.

It scares me that there are people who find this to be a desirable mental state.

That commercial shows sooo often during late night comedy central, that I now KNOW THE WORDS to the fragments of songs they play. I'm going insane.

"God wanders beyond our galixyyyyyeeeee"

"Home!!!! Now is the time for woooooshiiiiip!"

"I'm comin' back to the heart of Worship....."

Good, I feel unburdened now. I hope I've shared my misery with you guys.

Oh yeah...I think the reaction shots are stock footage from old Beatles concerts. (Heh)

[Monketey Ghost]

I think the fundies must have something against Christians making Christian music that is actually interesting to listen to. They get plenty of dollars-for-Jesus with the dull paste that's out there, I suppose.

Bob Dylan made far more interesting music when he was a Jesus freak. It's great stuff, too... Property of Jesus, Shot of Love...

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by WonderfulWorld
I was "channel surfing" the other night, and came across a Catholic cable network (EWTN? ETWN? I forget.) On my screen were some 50 nuns, "praying the rosary" (I guess). The delivery was monotone, with "zero affect" expressions. The first word on my mind was "undead." I'm serious, here. They actually sounded like a scene from "Night of the Living Dead"!

I changed the channel. So I take it you're having nun of that?

[Monketey Ghost]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
So I take it you're having nun of that?

oooh... I feel like I've been stomach-punched...

[WonderfulWorld]

Originally posted by No Answers
I think the fundies must have something against Christians making Christian music that is actually interesting to listen to. They get plenty of dollars-for-Jesus with the dull paste that's out there, I suppose.

I noticed that, too. I was forced to listen to a Christian radio station on the way to Christmas dinner Thursday (oy!), and noticed a remarkable lack of, um, quality in the music. Every song was downright insipid (and I mean the music -- I blocked out the lyrics). They all used electronic keyboards (with a fairly good violin/cello patch running) and a drum machine (also of reasonable quality), and spent a lot of time on "production." It all sounded like synthetic syrup. It gave me a headache. "Oh, this is my favorite song!", my mother said. Oh, boy! Even their emotions are on faith!

You know, when I was a kid, that station played Bach and Mozart and Beethoven and the like. Now they play synthesized dreck. Is it possible that Christians are getting shallower?

[WonderfulWorld]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
So I take it you're having nun of that?
You will not be forgiven for that, Danger!

:hit:

[WanderingKnight]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
So I take it you're having nun of that?

Puns like that can become a habit.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by WanderingKnight
Puns like that can become a habit. You're tellin' me, sister!

[Upchurch]

We should all have a rosary outlook on life.

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

It is all quackery!

[Zep]

Originally posted by WonderfulWorld
...Is it possible that Christians are getting shallower? "Getting"? "GETTING"??? Some are so shallow already they are right out of the gene pool.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by !Xx+-Rational-+xX!
It is all quackery! Well, that's just ducky. Now the thread is all fowled up.

[whitefork]

Enough with the bad puns.

I attended a Lutheran church for a number of years. Those guys know real music. Luther wrote a lot of it. It's muscular, robust, inspiring music with really strong melodies, a good beat and great lyrics. They have Bach, too.

I attended a fundamentalist wedding a couple of months back. The music was insipid and lifeless, and went on far too long. These people have no taste. How anyone can tolerate it for any length of time? At the very least, they could use some gospel tunes. Jesus himself would've walked out.

[Upchurch]

Hey, what's good for the g...

Nevermind.

My first college roommate loved Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith. What surprised me about it was how little variety they actually showed. I mean, if an artist wants to be "Yay God!", I'm fine with that, but it was the only fricken' theme they ever used. They never addressed any actual human emotions or real world situations that people have to deal with. I wouldn't have minded it so much if they had talked about it in relation to God, but it was almost taboo to acknowledge that people suffer.

[sparklecat]

I can't stand most Christian music. Upchurch, one group I've found that does deal with actual life is Jars of Clay, and they mix secular and religious songs on their CDs. Third Day I like as well, just because they have some original music.

[Upchurch]

Thanks anyway, but I think I'll pass. There is already so much good music out there (especially being in Saint Louis and all) that I feel little need to try more Christian rock music.

[sparklecat]

*grins* Didn't think you would... just wanted it known that there are some good Christian artists out there.

[frisian]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Thanks anyway, but I think I'll pass. There is already so much good music out there (especially being in Saint Louis and all) that I feel little need to try more Christian rock music.

Good music in St. Louis? In the redneck riviera? j/k

U2 deals with "spiritual" issues although they certainly don't claim to be Christian music.

I too have found most Christian Contemporary music to be posturing and little depth.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by frisian


Good music in St. Louis? In the redneck riviera? j/k Even recognizing that you're joking, I'll point out for those that don't know, St. Louis is one of the birthplaces of the blues (and I'm not talking hockey). I'd say this area was even more influential than either Chicago or New Orleans, but I might be biased. :D

[frisian]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Even recognizing that you're joking, I'll point out for those that don't know, St. Louis is one of the birthplaces of the blues (and I'm not talking hockey). I'd say this area was even more influential than either Chicago or New Orleans, but I might be biased. :D

Hmmm, wasn't aware of that in terms of St. Louis, of course being nearer to Chicago I have some bias of my own.

[Upchurch]

I'm not a music historian at all. Unfortunately, when you google "St. Louis" and "Blues", you mostly get the hockey team. However, I do know that the blues primarily started in the south and shot its way north up the Mississippi, eventually reaching Chicago.

[The idea]

Originally posted by WinAce
Check out this amazing topic on RaptureReady (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122124) about scientists messing up a light beam. The real fun begins on page 2 or so.

It almost seems like *any* claim science makes is automatically disqualified in the mind of these fundies... Here are some highlights:

It is just that ; a theory. And that's not what I think it means, that's what Webster's says it is.


Why not egg them on? Start a topic about Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. Make sure to emphasize that "the so-called theorem is, in fact, a part of Number Theory, which is just that-- a theory."

[LizardPeople]

Originally posted by sparklecat
There are some good Christian artists out there.

I still have some Petra and White Heart from my churchgoing days, some of it pretty darn good.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by Upchurch
We should all have a rosary outlook on life. Can I cross that one off the list?