Fundies Say the Darndest Things! Again.

[WinAce]

December 2003 Issue now available! (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/fstdt.htm)

I'm a bit too exhausted after that long trip to decide on the award winners, so pick out your best and nominate 'em! December has 4 "Post of the Week" entries, 1 "Post of the Month", and up to 20 more miscellaneous awards (to avoid a mess of confusion, each poster should nominate no more than 1-5 posts). Just give them anything you want, such as the "Broad Brush of the Month" or "Most Edumacated Creationist Prize". Or if they're really great, a Post of the Week. And if it's the best in the entire issue, a PotM.

Of course, as the guy who assembles all of this lunacy, I reserve the right to override any suggestions.

Be sure to read the much-revised Frequently Asked Questions (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/fstdt_faq.htm), and keep 'em coming, too! This month's issue consists almost entirely of material I got in my Hotmail inbox.

[El Greco]

Oh man, this is unbelievable! Award winners ? How can one choose from such an abundance ?

These people can't be "normal" Christians... they must be dingalings or psychos or at the very least comedians.

[Martin]

If there's a prize for Most Coherent YEC Argument, this has to be the winner:

any way the sherad desrer is the bigs one
if the wolrd was 4.6 billon years old the why isnt there a bigger one some were, they have dated the desrt to be about 4300 years old by the way it grows about 4 miles every year,. i have a throy i belive that god made the earth about 6000 years ago and there was a flood about 4400 years ago. so the biges desrt wold have to be less than 4400 years old. gess what it is

Found here (http://www.thesevenproject.com/forums/thread.php?threadid=8988&boardid=33&styleid=1).

[El Greco]

I haven't even read 1/3 of it, but these are real gems:

"if they announce extra-terrestrial life..I am going to grab ahold of my faithful dog and hope he can go with me in the Rapture!(I have been teaching him about Jesus.the Bible says to preach the gospel to all creatures...who knows?"
- Angel01, RaptureReady

"Why shouldn't employers be required to include birth control coverage in their health care plans? Because birth control is morally wrong, intrinsically and inherently evil. The fruits of birth control include fornication, adultery, sterility, homosexuality, aids, the breakdown of family, divorce and abortion... It is evil because it violates the dignity of the human person... Why not pay for birth control? Simple. It's wrong."
- MICHAEL J. PALID, EagleHerald Letters to the Editor

"im just wondering what u evolutionist think on the 3rd(or the 2nd, not sure) law of thermodynamics also called entropy, which is the tendancy for things to get worse instead of better... i see deasieses, plagues, famine. it seems like aids, cancer, diabedies, dounsyndrom and all these other things came out not too long ago. there r more mentally f**ked up ppl in the world today than there was 200 years ago. even sane ppl r suffering with things like ADHD and stuff. this dont look like evolution to me."
- soul flayer, Totse.com Community

"plus as we get older, our reasoning does not deteriotate....our capacity for memory can detrioate, but thats only cos we aint using it. people with alzheimers can easily still reason, even if they cant remember anything for the whole of there lives accept the day there living in now..."
- nevermind, Totse.com Community

"your talking about [the 750,000 or so species of] insects....well they wouldnt take up much space in the ark would they? they could fly around and land on the walls, ceilings ect, like they do in houses."
- nevermind, Totse.com Community

"Don't you think it's absolutely insulting to man to say claim that he had been around for millions of years, and yet just invented the automobile 100 years ago? That may be a bad example, but do you see what I'm getting at? I mean...do you really think it took man millions of years for someone to get on a boat, sail to America, and find out the world is round?"
- GPickypick, Christianity.com Forums

"The stay-at-home wife should do it. And since every wife should be a stay-at-home wife, every wife should do it... The woman's role is to keep the HOME. Not to earn money, not to make business deals; she is to keep the home. And if a job keeps her from so much as taking out the trash (so long as she is physically able), that job is disobedient to the Bible's instructions on marriage."
- GPickypick, Christianity.com Forums

"Actually, we do have the right to judge which lives to take away. The bible was quite clear to the jews of the O.T. what behaviors warranted the death penalty (as it were). I don't recall the practice of putting people to death going away with Christ's arrival here. He came to fullfill the law, not abolish it. Though we would have a population crisis if we put all of the adulterer's to death, that does not mean that if we chose to do so - that it would be unbiblical."
- Larbear, Christianity.com Forums

"Correct [the boy killed by a Christian drunk driver goes to hell, while the latter goes to heaven]. However, you seem to forget that God is the One Who determines when a person will die, and if He allowed the young boy to die in that state, the implication is that he never would have changed in heart anyway. The man, though sinning by driving dangerously, is still saved for eternity, since in his heart he is willing to accept Jesus' offer of salvation. He does lose some rewards, though. Again, justice and mercy are maintained."
- Godsword, FStDT! Guestbook

This has to be my favorite though:

"If the Big Bang is a 'normal' scientific occurrence, why haven't there been any more?"
- Saints Alive, Christianity.com Forums

edited to asterisk one word

[sparklecat]

I see a couple that were in response to me :D (Didn't nominate them though! ;))

"And defending Martin by saying that you find the proof of inspiration 'ridiculously circular' as well thereby insinuating somehow that r8ermang doesnt have the right then to speak a scriptural truth because its insulting to you too really just doesnt hold water. You have the Holy Spirit within you to testify to these truths that Martin doesn't- therefore the 'proof' of inspiration that you have isn't circular at all..."


"I didn't think logicality would be an issue. Logically you should use the Bible as a guide. Having an unbeliever's logic on this subject is not very logical."



Now those threads were fun... [/sarcasm]

[the_ignored]

Oh yeah. This is NOT funny!

"ANd the Bible explicitly deals with slavery, almost condones it, certainly does not call it a sin, but accepts it as a part of society. And I cannot believe you honestly said what you did about abuse being a valid reason for divorce."
- Firebird81, POD Warrior Forum


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"Jesus himself said if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, so next time you masturbate, remember that very specific command he gave."
- Firebird81, POD Warrior Forum
:jaw: :rr:

I should check that site out, hopefully that guy got nailed by the other people there...

[El Greco]

"as many of you know I have been really seriously constipated this pass month... anyway for the past two days I have been practially inhaling fiber and drinking lots and lots of water. and last nite I prayed to God that he would some how lubericate the crap so it could actually come out. talk about a quick answer to a prayer. He answered it today."
- ylf1999, RaptureReady

[Yahweh]

Thank yall so much for the laughs! :)

Yall have really made my day so much brighter! :)

[Yahweh]

Most Mixed Up Double Standards Award

"I know he was just making fun of christians but he made a very good piont and it would be wrong for me to restate it without giving him the credit... ( FYI... zues was disproven over two thousand years ago. He and the other gods and goddess were just fairy tales like Cinderella or Snow White.)"
- 99%Angel, ChannelOne.com BBS


Runner up for the Double Standards Award goes to:

"Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go away."
- bevets, ChristianForums

I am particularly proud of this post. Nice spelling, proper grammar, congrats.


Honorable mention goes to:

"with so much evidence against evolution, or the lack of evidence to support it i could say that evolutionists are unscientific. most evolutionists are remarkably closed minded, more so than creationists. the constant support for evolution even though there has been no tangeble facts to support it for the last 100 years looks closed minded to me."
- nevermind, Totse.com Community

You are just a hoot and holler aint ya?

Least Likely To Do Outside Reading

"im just wondering what u evolutionist think on the 3rd(or the 2nd, not sure) law of thermodynamics also called entropy, which is the tendancy for things to get worse instead of better... i see deasieses, plagues, famine. it seems like aids, cancer, diabedies, dounsyndrom and all these other things came out not too long ago. there r more mentally f**ked up ppl in the world today than there was 200 years ago. even sane ppl r suffering with things like ADHD and stuff. this dont look like evolution to me."
- soul flayer, Totse.com Community

Its the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, also called the Law of Entropy. However, life is an open system, no such violation of Thermodynamics. Compose your posts in word, use the spell checker.


Runner up goes to:

"If the world was burnt to a crisp by a astroid greater than all the nukes in the world. Then the dinosaurs and everything died and nothing could have survived. And astroid this big would also leave a BIG hole somewhere on the earth...there is none. Furthmore, since there is no evidence that the dino-bones weren't burnt to the crisp, then i'd say evolution is in big trouble. Acid rain would have also contaminated the waters and atmosphere, thus, throwing off carbon dating... The big bang?? Eternal universe??? Think about it..."
- FEZZILLA, ChristianForums




Second Runner up goes to:

"Isn't this what the atheists and secular humanist religions are doing? By taking God out of the schools you have to replace it with something else. So, instead of biblical truths we now have teachers telling us we were once apes a billion years ago. Your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."
- barracuda, Christianity.com Forums

A billion years ago?!?!! That was about the time the first multicellar organisms (such as seaweed and algae) appeared. And again, Evolution does not say we came from monkeys, salvage your humility and stop saying things like that.




Not a winner but definitely an honorable mention goes to:

"I did not say that we came from monkeys. I said that evolutionists believe we evolved from them. Read carefully now..."
- Pitchblack, POD Warrior Forum


Another honorable mention goes to:

"God made a way at great cost to Himself- the only thing He asks us to do is believe through faith... As Occam's Razor says- who has something to lose here? Those who believe or those who don't?"
- kerri, RaptureReady

Sorry kerri, Occam's Razor says nothing of the sort. You are thinking of Pascal's Wager, however you forget Pascal's Wager says nothing about worshipping the Christian God alone, instead worship all Gods which offer you eternal life. This would be a Double Standards nominee, but lack of intended subject comprehension doesnt allow for it.


The "Logic, Who Needs Logic" Award goes to

These two tie for 1rst place:

"It is a sin to use a condom during intercourse because ejaculation should not take place outside a man's wife. Bottom lime."
- Shelb5, ChristianForums

I believe it is the last word of this post which amplifies to true absurdity of the quote... however, I know its not good form to flame for spelling mistakes, so I wont. Bottom LIME, I just wont.



"If the Big Bang is a 'normal' scientific occurrence, why haven't there been any more?"
- Saints Alive, Christianity.com Forums



Runner up goes to:

"Ah don't worry Arthur... I realize it's hard for you Marxist buffoons to comprehend logic. ;-) Homosexuals are sick and twisted, disease-ridden, child molesting, vial, filthy, violent, disgusting, Christianphobic, abominable perverts and their actions prove this out EVERY TIME!"
- Eric, BRO' BOB'S CHRISTIAN CRUSADE!

You should be, like, ummm, a science teacher! You got a brain on you the size of a basketball! [/sarcasm]



Second Runner up goes to:

"Yes, it would be humanly possible to try and replicate the Ark, but not even slighly feasible."
- Zealot, EvC Forum


Honorable Mention goes to:

"My views are based on the Bible. They need no more validation than that. The Bible is the Word of God. It is absolute truth. Stop trying to change that fact, you can't."
- Aragorn, .: NucleusWeb :.



Honorable Mention goes to:

"When I was a teenager, I took all my secular music records and busted them up in my room with a hammer. Why, cause the lyrics were not of God, his thoughts, his desires, and promoted witch craft, perversion, and satan worship."
- A, Christianity.com Forums


Love Your God Award

"Correct [the boy killed by a Christian drunk driver goes to hell, while the latter goes to heaven]. However, you seem to forget that God is the One Who determines when a person will die, and if He allowed the young boy to die in that state, the implication is that he never would have changed in heart anyway. The man, though sinning by driving dangerously, is still saved for eternity, since in his heart he is willing to accept Jesus' offer of salvation. He does lose some rewards, though. Again, justice and mercy are maintained."
- Godsword, FStDT! Guestbook

"Jesus loves me this I know"...


Runner up goes to:

[Replying to 'You seriously expect God to burn America for gay marriage?'] "Well.. He did it to Sodom! It would be ignorance to say 'aww heck, God wouldn't do anything like that to us!'... this is just another thing that will lead us into being very displeasing to God, which is a very bad place to be..."
- Sustained While Yawning, POD Warrior Forum


Honorable mention:

"Well if Man came from Ape then Why can't LizardMan come from an alligator? etc..."
- TruthTraveler, ChristianForums

Well, it turns out that true chimaeras (organisms which combined parts from several different and diverse lineages such as mermaids, centaurs, and lizardpeople) would in fact falsify evolution. However, this particular post I like for its creativity, I admire and original thinker. (I wonder how long it would take for a person to strawman something along the lines of "So I guess you dont amire yourself"... just wondering...)



Honorable mention:

"The ones who are promoting secualr humnist falsehoods like these:

A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted on faith.

Commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence, and scientific methods of inquiry, rather than faith and mysticism, in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.

A primary concern with fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general. A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.

A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.

A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.

A conviction that with reason, an open marketplace of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.

This bunch of fools have invaded rhe public schools and universities and have done so quite well. It has distorted what most on this board believe to be true. They are liars."
- PatPace, Baptist Watch

Those scoundrels!!!!!



Dont You Read The Bible Award

"the Holy Spirit changes you inside.does allah do that.apparently not.Christians do not think its ok to kill those who are not christians."
- roadie432002, ChristianForums


*cough* Deuteronomy 17:2-7



Favorite Young Earth Creationist:

nevermind, from the Totse.com Community


Runner up:

FEZZILLA, from ChristianForums

This guy is so proud to be a Christian.




I went through about the first 1/3 of Fundies Say The Darnedest things. I'm sure there are other more deserving entries, but I dont want to clutter up the thread anymore than I have.

Good fun :)

edited to asterisk one word

[volant]

Best Excuse For A Cartoon Fetish:
"Is Cartoon Porn wrong? I know porn is wrong because it says in the bible when you lust after a woman you have already commited adultery in your heart. But when you lust after a cartoon you are not lusting after a person you are lusting after coloured ink, therefore you are not actually commiting adultery."
- danath_301, ChristianForums

No awards, just a few favourites:
Replying to 'Homosexuality does not hurt people' "Tell that to the woman who comes home to find her husband in bed with another man."
- donaldkilroy, Internet Infidels

"... I don't really know...I don't believe in dinasors, but some people have shown me verses in the Bible about them ::shrug:: "
- Suzuka, DenyYourself.com Discussion Board

"Ok evolutionist claim the world is billions maybe evan trillions of years old right? WRONG! First lets look at world population growth. The world increses at about 2% a year... in one million years... there would have been 10 (to the 2100 power) people somehow stacked on this earth."
- Nydas., BlizzForums

"1 reason why you need God huh? Hell ring a bell?"
- Nydas., BlizzForums

^I bet that is not a scare tactic.

[Yahweh]

I have suggestion, WinAce, perhaps you could set up a nice MessageBoard service.

Someone suggested wrote on the guestbook that it very hard attempting to communicate with others via guestbook entries.

There are plenty of HTML handy people here who could host a MessageBoard for you... or you could break down and settle for less with your very own EzBoard Community (http://www.ezboard.com/registration/build_registration.htm). (Note: EzBoard communities cost cash, there are plenty of quality messageboards that dont cost a cent.)

[c4ts]

"Jesus himself said if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, so next time you masturbate, remember that very specific command he gave."
- Firebird81, POD Warrior Forum

Funny, they used to do that in Iraq before the US took over.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Martin
If there's a prize for Most Coherent YEC Argument, this has to be the winner:

Martin, does that argument (though less slick and smarmy) remind you of any creationist in particular?

It does me.

[Dorian Gray]

This is by far the funniest and most ignorant post by a religious nut I have ever read:

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000035.html

I cannot believe what I saw on the news last night w/Peter Jennings.
Of course they were talking about the war, and how some of the Christian Churches were not for our going to war. His own church also will not stand behind him.

But, what flabbergasted me was a few seconds later when there was an interview w/a Catholic Parishoner. His church had asked that they fast & pray against war.

I completely missed the interview altogether, because of what I saw. Full-face, on his forehead was a large black smudge. Now, I have seen Catholic Priests do the Cross on the foreheads of their congregation before, but w/water, but this mark bore no resemblance to a cross whatsoever. In my entire life, never had I seen this sight!

I chalked it up to just a real radical person. The last time I saw a smudge like that was on Charles Manson.

Then, it showed the people coming out of the church a moment later. I sat and stared in total amazement. He was not the only one w/that large black smudge. Several people walking out of that Catholic church had the same black smudge on their forehead!!! Right smack dab in the center!

I have never felt such a cold chill as that which enveloped me. I tingled all over in stunned amazement.

I told my husband that I wondered if this was just the "forerunner"? It made an huge impact on me, and it should have done so for the entire Christian population. I don't know why it was "black" or why it was in the center of the forehead, but one thing I do know, it was a bone-chilling sight!

Hint: This post was made on March 6, 2003 - Ash Wednesday!

[UnrepentantSinner]

"Ah don't worry Arthur... I realize it's hard for you Marxist buffoons to comprehend logic. ;-) Homosexuals are sick and twisted, disease-ridden, child molesting, vial, filthy, violent, disgusting, Christianphobic, abominable perverts and their actions prove this out EVERY TIME!"

Priceless, simply priceless.

This Eric guy's quotes remind me of the thread about the PO's I need to start sometime. The Perpetually Outraged.

[WinAce]

Originally posted by Yahweh
I have suggestion, WinAce, perhaps you could set up a nice MessageBoard service.

Someone suggested wrote on the guestbook that it very hard attempting to communicate with others via guestbook entries.

There are plenty of HTML handy people here who could host a MessageBoard for you... or you could break down and settle for less with your very own EzBoard Community (http://www.ezboard.com/registration/build_registration.htm). (Note: EzBoard communities cost cash, there are plenty of quality messageboards that dont cost a cent.)

While getting a messageboard of my very own seems attractive, there are a few problems I see:

(1) Hosting space. There's only a few MB of space left on my website, and I don't think it supports PHP either.
(2) Administration difficulties. I barely got that guestbook CGI script working the way I wanted it to...
(3) Subject matter. I could certainly make yet another upstart non-believer forum, but there are already plenty of those. What are the odds mine will stand out enough in subject to avoid becoming Yet Another Dead Board? What would there be to discuss on it that couldn't be handled better on, say, the Internet Infidels board, Atheist Network, Atheist Parents, Godless Heathens, any of the 100's of theist boards, or here (among other places)?
(4) Drawing an audience. A good board has camaraderie, a society all its own. It must appeal to a lot of people from diverse backgrounds and draw repeat visits if it's to succeed. Many are already established in that regard, and the whole area is a bit market-saturated right now...

If these difficulties could be overcome, I'd be all for it. (I'm not really a stranger to the whole board thing--a forum/website I started ages ago, UAHQ, dedicated to an obscure German strategy computer game, kinda died last year for reason 4)

[WinAce]

Originally posted by Martin
If there's a prize for Most Coherent YEC Argument, this has to be the winner:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
This is by far the funniest and most ignorant post by a religious nut I have ever read:

Thanks! As I don't think either of you guys has ever "officially" contributed a quote before, I'll need a pseudonym or acronym to use in the FAQ. I'd use your usernames here, but fundie boards have a habit of banning known contributors so...

Feel free to use PM for this one.

[Ladewig]

Thank you all for making my Christmas just a little bit merrier.
Also, curse you all for making my thoughts about the upcoming election day just a little bit scarier.

[VicDaring]

The Mr. Hankey Achievment in Microbiology Award:

"Now i think God made bacteria, because bacteria are important for eating our poo and keeping us from getting sick... although some bacteria do make us sick for some reason (i dont get that, i think some bacteria get influenced by satan and deviate from goodness or something). But i heard viruses arent even alive, they just make more of themselves and kill things, so whats the point of that? I think viruses are the work of satan, because all they bring is death and destruction (as well as colds, apparently caused by some sort of rhinocerousvirus)"
- Shimmerstar, ChristianForums

[Dorian Gray]

Go ahead and use my name from here - I might already be banned.

[UserGoogol]

rhinocerousvirus

Hilarious.

"Just asking. Im a fundamentalist, It makes me sick that there is a movie that says Return of the King and Jesus isnt the main topic."
- r8ermang, RaptureReady

Landover Baptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1203/rotk.html) did a review something along these lines.

[I'll_buy_that]

I'm surprised that they get electricity let alone the internet in those trailers

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by I'll_buy_that
I'm surprised that they get electricity let alone the internet in those trailers

That was a rather bigoted comment...

[c4ts]

How is it that they're smart enough to turn on a computer and connect to the internet in the first place?

[shemp]

Originally posted by c4ts
How is it that they're smart enough to turn on a computer and connect to the internet in the first place?

Jebus does it for them.

[bozothedeathmachine]

"Abortion is MURDER! Even before the zygote forms (when the [sperm] and egg meet), the cells are living, which makes it MURDER when you perform abortion!"

So, if the sperm are "living" then one is essentially committing genocide every time they ejaculate since all (but maybe 1 or 2) of the sperm die?!

Oh man, we're screwed people. Minor pun intended.

[Suezoled]

"Every sperm is sacred/ every sperm is great/ if a sperm is wasted/ god gets quite irate" -monty python

[Kilted_Canuck]

Wow, nothing makes me laugh harder, or sad that humanity could be so stupid, than a good editionof FSDT.

Keep them coming, WinAce :D

[Kilted_Canuck]

"more and more it is seeming to be the Evolutionists... [are] just changing the theory again to match what they have found rather than just stopping..... and rather than letting the theory dictate the facts let the facts dictate the theory."

-RevLovejoy POD Warrior Forum


Is it just me, or did he hit the nail on the head?

[Checkmite]

"more and more it is seeming to be the Evolutionists... [are] just changing the theory again to match what they have found rather than just stopping..... and rather than letting the theory dictate the facts let the facts dictate the theory."


No, no, no...there's got to be a punchline somewhere. There has to be.

[alfaniner]

Isn't Reverend Lovejoy the one on The Simpsons?

[the_ignored]

Here (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/fstdt.htm)


Some are just scary:

*** Slanderous Rant of the Month ***

"Not one word was said [by the American Civil Liberties Union] when the California schools (read government) promoted the Islamic religion. NOt one word! Hypocrites and I still pray for the destruction of this worthless union. Of course Muslims is supported, while Christianity is attacked. they are a false prophet religion. Hello!!!!!!!!!

They are God haters. They do nothing spectacular, just doing what any lawyer could do. But their desire to completely trash the morals and decency of this country is obvious.

They hate you and me and all that we stand for. Their idea of a perfect America is a falied atheist system and the crushing of the spirit and life of anyone who will not bow down to their Godless lives.

We have shown them for what they are. Godless haters of anything moral and right. If you can't see that, from all that we have shown, just since i have been here, then that is your problem.

They attack and harrass and intimidate in the Mafia way anything that is good and decent or even remotely related to Christianity. They promote the raping of children, and the Rapers. The harrassment of little children and their beliefs and they would rather see this country in the mire of it's filth than have one mention of God.

Their god is satan and he OWNS them.

so what if they defended a HANDFUL of [Christian] cases (a small HANDFUL), they still hate you and me. They are no different than the Communists who killed those who would not bow down to their ways. they just can't kill us legally, yet.

Their judgment is coming for their rejection of and forcing of any mention of God in this world into hiding. Hypocrites and child raper promoters. Their time is coming if they do not repent.

They stand for everything sick, immoral and evil."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


Truly, a psychotic ____. Billiefan, or whoever posts there, please let her know I said that. This woman is friggin' STUNNED!

[JSFolk]

My MSN community keeps track of similar statements...


http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionVCreation/yourwebpage3.msnw

[WinAce]

Hi. Webmaster of FStDT! again. Just FYI, it's the January issue for now (the Feb one will be out in a few days). And I already link to that list of MSN Forum quotes JSFolk posted, as well as several other stupidity archives, in the FStDT! FAQ (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/fstdt_faq.htm#other_archives). Enjoy ;)

[Yahweh]

WinAce liked to this post (http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=336752#post336752) in his posts of the month:
Trust Chicky [another poster] to believe in something as outdated as heliocentrism.
Jebus Christos, I was really hoping that quote was out of context, but it isnt... *snickers*

[the_ignored]

Whoops. Sometimes I get so **** off I forget. I have an account there myself!


As to whether I post or just lurk, well

[the_ignored]

Actually, I think that Sarfati/Socrates (a writer for Answers in Genesis) just got momentarily mixed between helio- and geo- centrism.

[WinAce]

February Awards added! (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/)

This should be good. I especially loved the post of the month.

[Marvel Frozen]

"There was no Lillith [Adam's first wife according to medieval folklore]. It is said that Eve was taken from Adam's hip. Man has ONE less hip than a woman. So, there could have only been ONE wife of Adam."

:big: Not only does this guy have no clue about human anatomy, he has no clue about his own religion.

[Cecil]

Originally posted by Marvel Frozen


:big: Not only does this guy have no clue about human anatomy, he has no clue about his own religion. Well, I only have one hip, so he must be right! :rr:

[Filippo Lippi]

All good, nothing bad

[Bottle or the Gun]

I don't believe these people are allowed to drive cars. Scary! Let's hope they aren't allowed to fly planes...too late!

[Hutch]

Finally made it all the way through the Feb list and added a couple of my favorites below--I guess I'll have to try a couple of those sites, just to see how they take to the Socratic method--of course, as long as they don't send me any poisoned cups.... :o


The 'Paging Gergor Mendel' post:

"Proof that GOD made everything... Alright how you explain all the food that's on the earth? All the food that we are eating comes from GOD and we all know damn well that food is good and all credit goes to GOD from making it. But i do wanna hear everyones views on this subject and even tho im very closed minded, im not gonna believe what you tell me."
- Mystery Ridah 9.6., Cell Block Message Forum


The 'Yeah, and having the Godless Russians on our side didn't hurt either' post:

""World War 2 provides evidence that God exists... God promised Abraham that whoever harmed the Jews would be harmed themselves. Hitler harmed the Jewish people during WW2, and he was defeated, even though he had an extremely powerful and technologically advanced military force. His persecuation of the Jewish people caused his defeat, because God was keeping his promise."
- Northern Christian, ChristianForums


The 'poop' post:

""Now according to you lot, the most complex thing in the known universe... found its own way here by chance processes... The only reason my backside is not on top of my head is because when those unfortunate mutant ancestors of mine which did have their backsides on top of their head had bowel movement, the 'waste' ended up in their eyes, rendering failure of sight, they could no longer outrun predators, and were thus eaten (assuming their eyes were in the same 'perfect' location they are now, and not in a more beneficial location specifically for rectum on top of head mutant ancestors such as attached to the end of their fingers - which would of course cause more problems... and even though they would have been covered in waste(though this does raise another interesting point, that perhaps this made the prey unattractive to the predator, or, perhaps some mechanism such as a waste in eye extraction mechanism to extract the impediment could have evolved(not been designed of course)), this could have been us today). Hence the reason why their genetic information was not passed on, the (millions) of mutations required to get the waste system on top of the head was deleterious(for obvious reasons), and they became exstinct (thank ... was going to say God here - sorry) . Of course, there are no fossills of these mutants, nor can the above be emperically verified, but this is the nature of evolution from simpler organisms to higher - none of it can be emperically verified, oh, but this impossibility is logical so it is said."
- geoffr, Ozzie Net Public Debate

[Bottle or the Gun]

Amazing how fast GOD interceeded in defeating the Nazi's in WWII, but has done little else for the last 2000 years.

Let's see: Ignored over a thousand years of oppression, murder & genocide. Then helped a bit in 1940's, then nothing else for 50 years?

Aren't things nicer without a deity?
Example1:
Q "Why are you so nice to others?"
A: "Because I am a God-fearing Christian, and I have to or I will go to hell".

or

Q "Why are you so nice to others?"
a "Because it is the right thing to do."

Example 2:
Q "Why did you bomb the Abortion Clinic?"
A "God told me to. Abortions are evil"

or

Q "Why did you bomb the Abortion Clinic?"
A "Because I'm a freaking loony and need to be locked up and medicated. Please help me. I have no excuse for what I did."

See? Much better.

[Zero]

It isn't nice to mock the mentally ill...funny, but not a bit nice!!

[Bottle or the Gun]

(Says the guy with the anti-PC sig)

Ill? I thought they were under orders.

What would the effects be if we treated the religious like the mentally ill? Give them counselling, put them on meds so they calm down, get a little grounded in reality. I don't see much difference between the homeless guy screaming at a lamppost and a fundie.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
(Says the guy with the anti-PC sig)

Ill? I thought they were under orders.

What would the effects be if we treated the religious like the mentally ill? Give them counselling, put them on meds so they calm down, get a little grounded in reality. I don't see much difference between the homeless guy screaming at a lamppost and a fundie. There's way too much positive reinforcement for the religiously mentally ill. If your dog talks to you, they give you a padded cell, if your mythological deity talks to you, they give you a pulpit...there's something wrong with that logic.

[Bottle or the Gun]

When the dog talks, people go shoot teens making out in cars. When God talks, they bomb marketplaces and send Sally Struthers out to help starving kids. How come the guy with the talking dog can't get tax-exempt status?

[Zero]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
When the dog talks, people go shoot teens making out in cars. When God talks, they bomb marketplaces and send Sally Struthers out to help starving kids. How come the guy with the talking dog can't get tax-exempt status? Because you can't get enough on them to agree on a breed of dog?

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
(Says the guy with the anti-PC sig)

Ill? I thought they were under orders.

What would the effects be if we treated the religious like the mentally ill? Give them counselling, put them on meds so they calm down, get a little grounded in reality. I don't see much difference between the homeless guy screaming at a lamppost and a fundie.

Perhaps that religious belief is not a mental illness. I don't agree with it, but if they're not harming others or themselves (though that could be debated), I don't see that anyone should interfere. Besides, people can come out on their own- how many mentally ill people can do that?

[Bottle or the Gun]

Originally posted by sparklecat


Perhaps that religious belief is not a mental illness. I don't agree with it, but if they're not harming others or themselves (though that could be debated), I don't see that anyone should interfere. Besides, people can come out on their own- how many mentally ill people can do that?

Waking up deluded, going through the day delusional, going to bed a dupe. Sounds ill to me.

[Zero]

Originally posted by sparklecat


Perhaps that religious belief is not a mental illness. I don't agree with it, but if they're not harming others or themselves (though that could be debated), I don't see that anyone should interfere. Besides, people can come out on their own- how many mentally ill people can do that? Individually, they do little harm, but in groups, the effects can be devastating! And, of course, few people manage to throw off the shackles of religion without much help, as is the case with mental illness.

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun


Waking up deluded, going through the day delusional, going to bed a dupe. Sounds ill to me.

But in some ways, it's a chosen delusion- or even that they're unable to recognize that is what it is because they shy away from looking at anything which would contradict their beliefs. Gullibility perhaps, and fear, but not illness.

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by Zero
Individually, they do little harm, but in groups, the effects can be devastating! And, of course, few people manage to throw off the shackles of religion without much help, as is the case with mental illness.

If you've got a cult, perhaps. But a church full of evangelical Christians- what's the harm there? I do see how it could be dangerous if you've got one of them taking a leadership position, and the others afraid to disagree out of a need to be loyal, whether they agree with the person or not (how many Evangelical Democrats are there?). Yes, often getting out of a religion/cult does require a lot of outside help, but it doesn't take medicine or treatment beyond a bit of amateur counselling. How many schizophrenics can you say that for?

[Zero]

Originally posted by sparklecat


If you've got a cult, perhaps. But a church full of evangelical Christians- what's the harm there? I do see how it could be dangerous if you've got one of them taking a leadership position, and the others afraid to disagree out of a need to be loyal, whether they agree with the person or not (how many Evangelical Democrats are there?). Yes, often getting out of a religion/cult does require a lot of outside help, but it doesn't take medicine or treatment beyond a bit of amateur counselling. How many schizophrenics can you say that for? They are all cults, IMO...but it is all a matter of degree. Some religious people would qualify as being "eccentric" rather than mentally ill, because the severity of the symptoms tends to define the level of illness, wouldn't you agree?

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by Zero
They are all cults, IMO...but it is all a matter of degree. Some religious people would qualify as being "eccentric" rather than mentally ill, because the severity of the symptoms tends to define the level of illness, wouldn't you agree?

Well, I'd say there's a big difference between a nominal Catholic who says they believe in God but couldn't tell you the major tenents of their religion if you held a gun to their head, and the average evangelical Christian. Fundamentalist Christianity- yes, I'd classify that as a cult (in the common sense of the word, not as in how all religions are cults). Severity does make a difference, and at a certain point, it doesn't even deserve to be called an illness. While some religious people do seem to have no grasp on reality, I'd think that would be an illness that underlies their beliefs and that's how it manifests itself, rather than religious beliefs being an illness in and of themselves.

[Tony]

Scary, these people truly hate life. Why can't christians operate like other cults and commit mass suicide? This country would be a better place.

[jcon96]

Originally posted by Cecil
Well, I only have one hip, so he must be right! :rr:

Demon spawn I refute thee!!!!!

or something like that.... :D

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by sparklecat


Well, I'd say there's a big difference between a nominal Catholic who says they believe in God but couldn't tell you the major tenents of their religion if you held a gun to their head, and the average evangelical Christian. Fundamentalist Christianity- yes, I'd classify that as a cult (in the common sense of the word, not as in how all religions are cults). Severity does make a difference, and at a certain point, it doesn't even deserve to be called an illness. While some religious people do seem to have no grasp on reality, I'd think that would be an illness that underlies their beliefs and that's how it manifests itself, rather than religious beliefs being an illness in and of themselves.

Bah, that was my 666th post, I forgot to keep track...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
What would the effects be if we treated the religious like the mentally ill? Give them counselling, put them on meds so they calm down, get a little grounded in reality. I don't see much difference between the homeless guy screaming at a lamppost and a fundie.
I dont think thats the best idea...

Some fundies have a hard time contemplating how a person can not believe in god, they probably think your mentally ill.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Tony
Scary, these people truly hate life. Why can't christians operate like other cults and commit mass suicide? This country would be a better place. But who would vote for the right-wing whackos if they did?;)

[the_ignored]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I dont think thats the best idea...

Some fundies have a hard time contemplating how a person can not believe in god, they probably think your mentally ill.
Guess what? They do (http://www.boundless.org/2000/departments/isms/a0000223.html)!


Fortunately, there's some help (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72270&highlight=Vitz) in looking at that kook's claims.

[Zero]

Originally posted by the_ignored

Guess what? They do (http://www.boundless.org/2000/departments/isms/a0000223.html)!


Fortunately, there's some help (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72270&highlight=Vitz) in looking at that kook's claims. Are they retarded?!?(Rhetorical question, of course they are) America is an atheist nation, according to your link, and you can tell by the 90%+ results of most polls asking about belief in some god or other.

[Bottle or the Gun]

On Hannity's webpage there is a poll that asks "Is God on America's Side?" Take the poll! By the way, there are only yes and no options. This just seems like cynical pandering to the masses to me, searching for the gullible to give him a buck. He's no better than a fortune-teller scamming $20 a reading. That guy makes me so angry, so very, very angry indeed.

Funny thing is, every nation thinks God is on their side, don't they?

There is a separation of church and state for a reason. I think America's early politicians knew that religion was crap, but couldn't come right out and say it, much like today.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
Funny thing is, every nation thinks God is on their side, don't they?Ummm, nope! :) The first white settlers who started our nation were convicts, and they KNEW God was not with them. Otherwise they wouldn't have been sent to the other side of the world. The overseers tried to beat God into them, of course, with the whip. It didn't work all that well...

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Compose your posts in word, use the spell checker.*cough cough* (http://www.iespell.com)

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by the_ignored

Guess what? They do (http://www.boundless.org/2000/departments/isms/a0000223.html)!


Fortunately, there's some help (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72270&highlight=Vitz) in looking at that kook's claims. Of course, not all atheists become philosophers or psychiatrists. Some of them become politicians. Among the most infamous are Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who share, not only a reputation for efficient butchery, but also demonic fathers.Um... Hitler was a Catholic.

[c4ts]

Hitler was defeated because he hated the Jews? WTF?? You see what happens when you don't pay attention in history class?

[Bottle or the Gun]

Originally posted by Zep
Ummm, nope! :) The first white settlers who started our nation were convicts, and they KNEW God was not with them. Otherwise they wouldn't have been sent to the other side of the world. The overseers tried to beat God into them, of course, with the whip. It didn't work all that well...

Whew! I thought you were talking about America for a second. If it wasn't for Olivia Newton-John, they could put barb-wire up all around your country! Once a convict...