Incarnation of evil

[LibraryLady]

I've sometimes watched fakumentaries on the History Channel which show "biographies" of Satan and God and other assorted characters. And it has crossed my mind to ask whether there can be a person who actually is the incarnation of evil

I have come to the conclusion that the answer is yes (http://www.shmuley.com/).

Lately, this guy shows up wherever there are cameras and celebs to be had. He's on Larry King and Court TV and memorial services for strange pop stars. He even had a television show (http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/shalom/shalom.html?dcitc=w99-530-ah-0016) for a while on family values.

Now he has become the spiritual adviser for Jon Gosselin (http://www.examiner.com/x-22153-Cleveland-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2009m11d1-Are-Jon--Kate-Gosselin-still-churchgoing-Christians-Youtube-video-of-Jon-talk-God-Kates-parents). Suddenly Gosselin's discovered his Jewish roots?

Perhaps I've over sensitive to this guy, Shmuley, not Jon, because I am Jewish and I'm embarrassed. But I get the same creepy feeling from him that I get from Pat Robertson.

Anybody else have thoughts on him?

[~enigma~]

Moishe Rosen gave me the creeps more than this guy.

In case you don't know who the Rosen idiot is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Rosen

[Cainkane1]

Theres people in the world a lot worse that this gentleman.

[Ladewig]

I've sometimes watched fakumentaries on the History Channel which show "biographies" of Satan and God and other assorted characters. And it has crossed my mind to ask whether there can be a person who actually is the incarnation of evil

I have come to the conclusion that the answer is yes (http://www.shmuley.com/).

I don't understand why you classify him as "the incarnation of evil."

[LibraryLady]

In truth, I was using hyperbole and I don't really think he is the incarnation of evil. However, I find all televangelists extremely discomforting, especially Jewish ones. Judaism has no proselytizing or evangelism. If he denies he is doing so, I beg to differ.

As to Moishe Rosen, he came to speak on my campus, lo these 35 years ago, and I had to physically restrain a friend from going up on stage and attempting to punch this guy in the nose. The Jews for Jesus used to literally (and, yes, I am using "literally" correctly) chase me around campus as well.

[HansMustermann]

You know, I think I'll never take "incarnation of evil" seriously after having played Grandia 2. Nothing like being grouped for a few dozens of hours with the giggly, flirty, and well meaning incarnation of supreme evil to taint that notion for ever :p

[hamelekim]

In truth, I was using hyperbole and I don't really think he is the incarnation of evil. However, I find all televangelists extremely discomforting, especially Jewish ones. Judaism has no proselytizing or evangelism. If he denies he is doing so, I beg to differ.

As to Moishe Rosen, he came to speak on my campus, lo these 35 years ago, and I had to physically restrain a friend from going up on stage and attempting to punch this guy in the nose. The Jews for Jesus used to literally (and, yes, I am using "literally" correctly) chase me around campus as well.

Well, Jews were supposed to be an example to the world so that they would convert and become Jews, as up until Jesus it was the only way to get right with God.

Of course the Jews failed miserably in this regard and rejected God, even rejecting their messiah for the most part.

[A.A. Alfie]

There only one true incarnation of evil and that is my ex wife!

[Achán hiNidráne]

Of course the Jews failed miserably in this regard and rejected God, even rejecting their messiah for the most part.

Yes, but if memory serves that was part of "THE PLAN," wasn't it? In other words, your invisible sky-tyrant set the Jews up to fail.

Thus, the Christian god is evil. Christianity is evil. Christians are evil.

[Aepervius]

Yes, but if memory serves that was part of "THE PLAN," wasn't it? In other words, your invisible sky-tyrant set the Jews up to fail.

Thus, the Christian god is evil. Christianity is evil. Christians are evil.

Non sequitur.

The christian god can be evil, but the christianity doctrine or the christian could be not-evil (neutral or good).

[Vic Vega]

Well, Jews were supposed to be an example to the world so that they would convert and become Jews, as up until Jesus it was the only way to get right with God.

Of course the Jews failed miserably in this regard and rejected God, even rejecting their messiah for the most part.


Another bigot crawls out from under a rock. What a surprise...

:(

[LibraryLady]

Well, Jews were supposed to be an example to the world so that they would convert and become Jews, as up until Jesus it was the only way to get right with God.

Of course the Jews failed miserably in this regard and rejected God, even rejecting their messiah for the most part.

Sigh.

[Moochie]

I've sometimes watched fakumentaries on the History Channel which show "biographies" of Satan and God and other assorted characters. And it has crossed my mind to ask whether there can be a person who actually is the incarnation of evil

I have come to the conclusion that the answer is yes (http://www.shmuley.com/).

Lately, this guy shows up wherever there are cameras and celebs to be had. He's on Larry King and Court TV and memorial services for strange pop stars. He even had a television show (http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/shalom/shalom.html?dcitc=w99-530-ah-0016) for a while on family values.

Now he has become the spiritual adviser for Jon Gosselin (http://www.examiner.com/x-22153-Cleveland-Pop-Culture-Examiner%7Ey2009m11d1-Are-Jon--Kate-Gosselin-still-churchgoing-Christians-Youtube-video-of-Jon-talk-God-Kates-parents). Suddenly Gosselin's discovered his Jewish roots?

Perhaps I've over sensitive to this guy, Shmuley, not Jon, because I am Jewish and I'm embarrassed. But I get the same creepy feeling from him that I get from Pat Robertson.

Anybody else have thoughts on him?


I prefer the dog whisperer.


M.

[Elizabeth I]

Well, at least I learned something...I never knew there were Jewish televangelists. I thought Christians were the only faith group to suffer that embarrassment. :D

[JoeyDonuts]

Isn't Binny Hinn Jewish? I don't think he professes Judaism, just the usual TBN "Word-Faith" hokum.

My take on it is this:

Good and Evil, like religion, God, Satan and whatever else you want to lump together, are machinations of purely human design. If you believe what most learned religious folks say, religion was instrumental in codifying morality and accepted codes of conduct (although spirituality doesn't necessarily lead to stable, acceptable behavior. Quite the opposite in most cases.) I guess to some extent that's true, until you flip through the Old Testament and see things like God demanding Abraham sacrifice his son, or massacring eleven tribes of Israel for throwing a kegger.

Humanity has outgrown the need for religion to make sense of the fantastic world around them, and to dictate how they are suupposed to behave towards one another. Or at least, it's my sincerest hope that in time, it will.

Indeed, some of the most horrific examples of "evil" by anyone's standard have been carried out under the banner and idea of divine right. "Gott mit uns," the Crusades, the current state of repressive Islamic fundamentalism, and the like.

Secular humanism is a higher and more evolved worldview. It does complicate things when most of your family is religious and gives 10 percent of their income to support the operations of an organization worshipping something that doesn't exist. There are churches that engage in community outreach programs and do try to make life better for their fellow man. I've yet to see one that didn't combine altruism with evangelism at the same time.

Honestly, what good are *********** Bibles when you're starving?

[Ladewig]

Bonnie Hunt joined the anti-Shmuley bandwagon today when she pointed out on her show that the Rabbi is now selling audio tapes of his counseling sessions with Michael Jackson.

[Darth Rotor]

The Jews for Jesus used to literally (and, yes, I am using "literally" correctly) chase me around campus as well.
Your modesty is admirable. Are you sure that it wasn't your beauty that induced all of that being chased after? :cool:

As to your subject, the wiki entry on him leaves me wondering if there aren't a lot of worse folks to zing with "incarnation of evil" tags. Is it his unabashed conservatism that concerns you?

In any event, I am no ordinary Rabbi. I am the Love Prophet.
Made me chortle. Dr Ruth would doubtless concur with his approach.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Of course the Jews failed miserably in this regard and rejected God, even rejecting their messiah for the most part.
How do you get "The Jews Rejected God" out of the Jews not agreeing with Jesus as the Messiah? Practicing Jews still, two thousand years later, acknowledge God and worship Him.

So they missed the boat on Jesus. They are not alone. That does not constitute "rejecting God."

DR

[LibraryLady]

Bonnie Hunt joined the anti-Shmuley bandwagon today when she pointed out on her show that the Rabbi is now selling audio tapes of his counseling sessions with Michael Jackson.

Okay, that's pretty evil. I'm assuming that Jackson thought these were private sessions. To me this is betrayal.

Your modesty is admirable. Are you sure that it wasn't your beauty that induced all of that being chased after? :cool:

Erm. Yes, I am sure. If it were my "beauty," they wouldn't have been so aggressive about assuring me that Jesus was my savior.

As to your subject, the wiki entry on him leaves me wondering if there aren't a lot of worse folks to zing with "incarnation of evil" tags. Is it his unabashed conservatism that concerns you?

No, there are conservative people who are not evil. It's his anything for publicity attitude that concerns me.



How do you get "The Jews Rejected God" out of the Jews not agreeing with Jesus as the Messiah? Practicing Jews still, two thousand years later, acknowledge God and worship Him.

So they missed the boat on Jesus. They are not alone. That does not constitute "rejecting God."

DR

There are Christians that firmly believe that. Apparently this is one of them.

[LibraryLady]

And his relationship with Uri Geller is not a plus, either.

[Cainkane1]

In truth, I was using hyperbole and I don't really think he is the incarnation of evil. However, I find all televangelists extremely discomforting, especially Jewish ones. Judaism has no proselytizing or evangelism. If he denies he is doing so, I beg to differ.

As to Moishe Rosen, he came to speak on my campus, lo these 35 years ago, and I had to physically restrain a friend from going up on stage and attempting to punch this guy in the nose. The Jews for Jesus used to literally (and, yes, I am using "literally" correctly) chase me around campus as well.
Ben Stein is as messed up as this guy but I don't think he's evil. I'm sure he's a nice man I just disagree with his creationist views.

[Darth Rotor]

No, there are conservative people who are not evil. It's his anything for publicity attitude that concerns me.
Ah.
There are Christians that firmly believe that. Apparently this is one of them.
I think I see the a way of arriving at that position, though I find it less than satisfying.

If one takes the Triune model, then one has Jesus and God as one and the same, which leads one to Rejecting God = Rejecting Jesus = Rejecting God = Rejecting Holy Ghost = Rejecting God and so on.
And his relationship with Uri Geller is not a plus, either.
With a wife and nine kids, that relationship better be platonic, or he's gonna be in for a lot of trouble. Hell hath no fury, and all that ...

DR

[HansMustermann]

I still think it takes a bit of a leap of faith to get from "rejected Jesus" to "rejected God", no matter in what model. Not being convinced that Jesus is God's character, because that's really the whole extent of that "failure", doesn't equal rejecting God as a whole.

E.g., I can reject that the dwaven hunter I grouped yesterday with on WoW is my dad's character, but that doesn't mean I'm rejecting dad entirely. E.g., I can reject that the l33t-speaking ogre healer on EQ2 could have been my boss's character (after all, he doesn't talk anything like that IRL), but that doesn't mean I'm rejecting my boss. E.g., I can think that car whose alarm just went nuts isn't my car, but that doesn't mean rejecting that I have a car.

Similarly rejecting one particular aspect or stunt of God, doesn't mean rejecting God as a whole.

In other words, it has nothing to do with the triune model. It has to do with some Christian apologetics and rationalizations being really that dumb. But then, what else is new?

[Polaris]

I once saw a vanity license plate in northern Virginia that read "WAS HIS". If she doesn't qualify I don't know who does.

[NoZed Avenger]

I once saw a vanity license plate in northern Virginia that read "WAS HIS". If she doesn't qualify I don't know who does.

Well, in fairness, he could have been the douche.

She might just be engaging in schaedenFord.