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soikins
3rd November 2009, 02:24 AM
Hello!

I wanted to discuss a new term proposed by Dan Dennett - "deepity".
Dennett talks about it in his speech "The Evolution of Confusion" (available here: http://richarddawkins.net/article,4547,n,n) and describes it like this:

A deepity is a proposition that seems to be profound because it is actually logically ill-formed.
It has (at least) two readings and balances precariously between them.
On one reading it is true but trivial, and on another reading it is false but would be earth-shattering if true.

A particular example he discusses in the speech is the proposition "Love is just a word".

I was wondering what others think about this idea and what "deepities" we can find in the works of various philosophers, theologians, sociologists etc. I think it would be entertaining and enlightening to build a collection of various "deepities".

Something that immediately sprung to my mind, when listening to Denett was this quote from Paulo Coelhu:
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.

Some 10 years ago when I graduated form high-school, it was a very popular "wisdom" among some poetic female schoolmates of mine. It seemed like complete nonsense to me, but obviously other people managed to read that quote in a way that it made sense to them. My attempts to interpret it gave either trivial results ("If you want something, you can find people who will help you." - something you might tell a four-year-old when he attempts a Spiderman style of wall climbing in an attempt to reach a cookie-jar that someone for some reason has put on a high shelf beyond his reach), literary reading of course smells like "The Secret" and is, well... stupid, but sure does sound "earth-shattering".

Maia
3rd November 2009, 06:21 AM
Is there a transcript of this video? I would love to discuss this, but I guarantee that this stupid computer is NOT going to cooperate with an hour of video right now...

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
3rd November 2009, 06:44 AM
I daresay many deepities involve QM.

t is a rare foray into gobbledygook that does not begin
with a tribute to quantum mechanics. ---Jamie Whyte

soikins
3rd November 2009, 07:36 AM
I daresay many deepities involve QM.

Oh, no doubt about that. It would be nice to read some actual quotes, though.

I remember stumbling upon "deepities" in Sokals "Fashionable Nonsense". When trying to decipher the writings of some postmodernists, Sokal often had to acknowledge that two different readings of a particular sentence or paragraph where possible - a) essentially a trivial one, but expressed in a very obscure manner or b) a blatantly wrong, but very radical idea.
Unfortunately those propositions are far from being so elegant and poetic as the one Dennett provides.