New racism in America ?

[Pad]

I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Does everybody in the US hate France and the French ? Are the Americans that stupid (I mean, even more stupid than the French ;)) ?
So why do they perpetually complain about anti-Americanism (which is far from reaching such an immoderate violence in France) ??

[Mr Manifesto]

I wonder about those on this board who hate the French so much. Specifically, I wonder what they think about the Statue of Liberty?

[Mr Manifesto]

Ask a stupid question (http://www.sendbackliberty.us/whoarewe.php)

[Troll]

Maybe it's because they consider themselves to be a "race"? Or is that just you not knowing any better? But it is easy to pick on them. I mean their history of surrender gives a person an easy fight. ;)

I've never been a fan of their politics. And anyone thinking Jerry Lewis is the god of comedy ain't gonna score too many points I my book. But I could never say I hate them all because it's just not logically feasible that each and every one of them would support their politics and Jerry Lewis.

Not to mention their great contributions to the world such as Emmanuelle Béart.

[Pad]

Although it doesn't matter, I'd like to say that a large part of the French (37%) are eventually favorable to the war (http://www.csa-fr.com/fra/dataset/data2003/opi20031216b.htm).

[Pad]

Originally posted by Troll
I mean their history of surrender gives a person an easy fight. ;)
You probably don't know much about history...

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Pad
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Does everybody in the US hate France and the French ? Are the Americans that stupid (I mean, even more stupid than the French ;)) ?
So why do they perpetually complain about anti-Americanism (which is far from reaching such an immoderate violence in France) ??
Pad:

What you are describing can hardly be called "racism". Americans in general do not "hate" the French. It is more like being perpetually annoyed with them. The French are viewed as being uncooperative, obstructionist, vain, sanctimonious and somewhat devious - much the same way Americans are viewed by the French. Having worked for a French oil company for a few years I can say that the French are pretty much like people everywhere.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Pad

You probably don't know much about history...

I actually know more than you may think I do. But is that the best you can come up with? Yes the French have won a few and helped the US in a few as well. Does that please you? Did you need the acknowledgement of those simple things?

Now apparently you know nothing of racism as the French, the last time I checked, were not a race classification.

[corplinx]

That said, I don't think french bashing is true _hatred_. Making fun of the French is more like making fun of the John Elway years Denver Broncos.

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Ask a stupid question (http://www.sendbackliberty.us/whoarewe.php)

Dude, that site ranks up there with Landover Baptist...

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Pad
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Does everybody in the US hate France and the French ? Are the Americans that stupid (I mean, even more stupid than the French ;)) ?
So why do they perpetually complain about anti-Americanism (which is far from reaching such an immoderate violence in France) ??


Americans love French people more than the French love Jews.

I hope that this helped.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Cleon


Dude, that site ranks up there with Landover Baptist...

The fact that people like Manifesto buy it is what helps make it so funny.

[Pad]

Originally posted by NightG1
What you are describing can hardly be called "racism". Americans in general do not "hate" the French. It is more like being perpetually annoyed with them.
I see sentences like these ones everywhere : "Somebody has to defend Saddam. Everybody will hate the defense attorney after the trial anyway, so who better than a french guy that everybody hates already."

Originally posted by NightG1
The French are viewed as being uncooperative, obstructionist, vain, sanctimonious and somewhat devious - much the same way Americans are viewed by the French.
The French you're dealing with just hate the American government (and policy), whereas the American I'm talking about hate the French people and everything that has to do with it.

Originally posted by Troll
I actually know more than you may think I do. But is that the best you can come up with? Yes the French have won a few and helped the US in a few as well. Does that please you? Did you need the acknowledgement of those simple things?
The French have helped a lot, won a lot (you must be either ignorant or dishonnest if you deny it) and lost a lot. French victories are innumerable, and French defeats too. But does it really make sense ? Trying to determine which country has got the most brilliant history is a childish approach.

Originally posted by Troll
Now apparently you know nothing of racism as the French, the last time I checked, were not a race classification.
So what ? What's the difference ? When you hate a human being because of his origin or nationality, you're a racist. Moreover, the concept of "race" is scientifically irrelevant.

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Americans love French people more than the French love Jews.
That's unfortunately untrue. Are you referring to antisemitism in French suburbs ? Then I must confess you're right, but it concerns a small part of people (mostly the muslim community, which is the largest in Europe).

--Edited to add :

Originally posted by NightG1
The French are viewed as being uncooperative, obstructionist, vain, sanctimonious and somewhat devious - much the same way Americans are viewed by the French.
...by almost everybody else !... ;) :p

[Troll]

Originally posted by Pad

I see sentences like these ones everywhere : "Somebody has to defend Saddam. Everybody will hate the defense attorney after the trial anyway, so who better than a french guy that everybody hates already."


The French you're dealing with just hate the American government (and policy), whereas the American I'm talking about hate the French people and everything that has to do with it.


The French have helped a lot, won a lot (you must be either ignorant or dishonnest if you deny it) and lost a lot. But does it really make sense ? Trying to determine which country has got the most brilliant history is a childish approach.


So what ? What's the difference ? When you hate a human being because of his origin or nationality, you're a racist. Moreover, the concept of "race" is scientifically irrelevant.


That's unfortunately untrue. Are you referring to antisemitism in French suburbs ? Then I must confess you're right, but it concerns a small part of people (mostly the muslim community, which is the largest in Europe).

Pad the last quote wasn't from me. Are the rest of the French as daft as you are?;) Just kidding. Don't get your thong in a knot.

Also you are like some others here and are seeking to find racism where it isn't. sure some use stereotyping as humor, some use broad generalizations, but not all things are racist.

And you sir, are a sensationalist. I remarked about the French victories and their help to the US, yet you still want to insult me by calling me ignorant or dishonest and claiming that I deny it? Sorry but that's pegging the moron meter here.

If you look around and actually read, you'll find quite a few of us nasty little racist Americans also poking fun of ourselves and our government. I guess by your standards we're racists against ourselves as well?

ah, I see you're not as slow as I originally thought, you managed to correct your error on the quote you attributed to me.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Ask a stupid question (http://www.sendbackliberty.us/whoarewe.php)

Your question was about those on this board. so now I challange you to find someone on this board that thinks we should send the statue back as your link of morons suggests.:p

That ought to keep you busy for some time and allow the non-sensationalits some time for decent debate.;)

[shuize]

I've actually wanted to like the the french. But there's only so many times you can get spit on without deciding it's better not to try.

[Shane Costello]

Originally posted by Pad:
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Hmmm, don't you think your president (www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/02/18/sprj.irq.chirac/) has helped propogate the stereotype of the arrogant French?

[TillEulenspiegel]

Originally posted by Pad
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Does everybody in the US hate France and the French ? Are the Americans that stupid (I mean, even more stupid than the French ;)) ?
So why do they perpetually complain about anti-Americanism (which is far from reaching such an immoderate violence in France) ??

Pad , The American disenchantment with the French is not a new phenom. It stretches back many years and has a thousand faces. Our relationship is long and complex and vacillates between love and hate much like all close people. There is a new dynamic that has emerged, however since the end of 2nd WW, our love of things Frence has been tempered by the ( perceived or actual ...altho there are real instances ) French self preoccupation to the exclusion of others and the propensity for disingenious reasons for Your actions. The distorted self image that You hold ..Force Frappe'? what the hell is that ? You really think a few dinky nukes make You a world power? Your en shrouding yourselves with a false image of geopolitical relevance. The whole country could disappear tomorrow and except for the Louver and perhaps the Tower L'Eiffel no one would notice or care.

You know what the French contribution to the world stage really is? Not Culture , altho You constantly convince yourselves there is something immortal about French life, not cuisine , as an archaic basis of the art and a method you held the standard for years, many have adopted and exceeded that example, Wine? I bow before the Gallic Grape...uhh which by the way is actually transplanted from <gulp> Texas! because in the mid 1800's the French stocks sercumed to phyloxia and had to have a " good ole' Merican graft" to save your entire industry nope, know what it is? Diplomacy, which means lying with pleasant words.

The people who have adopted a hatred of France for her stand on the gulf war are as elastic as todays headlines and probably as informed as any 12 Yr old can be . I have stated reasons that will not disappear with a few accommodations to the American view however Your country as ours , must accommodate the realities of the 21st century including the encroaching amorphic nature of national VS racial identity We all will. I find it funny that there are still a few holdouts ( like Israel ...that's gonna be a scream when the two son's of Abraham rejoin and will find no common enemy ), the Russians, the Swiss all illusions of difference ( and superiority ) will fall by the wayside and make racial purists everywhere tear thier own flesh .

Until that time we will have a problem ...BUT I will tell You this, If France was in danger or invaded, We The Americans as always will be the first to your defence.

[Tmy]

Cliaming French racism is a slap in the face of all those whove truley experienced racism.

yeah theres sort of a French resentmemnt, but I dont think you can find one Frenchman in the US whos been targeted in the states. Its mostly tounge in cheek anti-frechism. Id sooner give a NY Yankee fan grief than harrass a frechman about his govt.

[Otther]

The French you're dealing with just hate the American government (and policy), whereas the American I'm talking about hate the French people and everything that has to do with it. Huh? What gives you the absolute knowledge to say that? From my standpoint I see americans as despising the French Goverment, and French culture....

[NullPointerException]

Even the smilies hate France, there are no French smilies unless you count this one as French: :confused:

[Jocko]

Originally posted by NullPointerException
Even the smilies hate France, there are no French smilies unless you count this one as French: :confused:

Baloney. I found one.

http://greetings.123city.net/TempPictures/35399.gif

[Hypocolius]

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel

We The Americans as always will be the first to your defence.

LOL:D

"We think that we have identified the underlying reasons for America's recent aggressive foreign policy. They want to make up for being late for the last two world wars by being really punctual this time"

(Apologies to Not the Nine O'clock News)

[Troll]

Originally posted by Hypocolius


LOL:D

"We think that we have identified the underlying reasons for America's recent aggressive foreign policy. They want to make up for being late for the last two world wars by being really punctual this time"

(Apologies to Not the Nine O'clock News)

Even being late we were still the first to defend the French. Yep, even had a faster response time than their own military.:p

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Troll


Even being late we were still the first to defend the French. Yep, even had a faster response time than their own military.:p

What an unfair thing to say. Many in the French military were active throughout the war.

They just happened to be reporting back to Vichy instead of Paris.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Jocko


What an unfair thing to say. Many in the French military were active throughout the war.

They just happened to be reporting back to Vichy instead of Paris.

I'd expect something like that from a racist like you. :p

You know I never thought I had a whole lot in common with anyone here and then Fool got wiggy, well showed his wigginess and now I feel like part of the team. Even if I'm only a cheerleader. haha

[Sherman]

Originally posted by Troll


I'd expect something like that from a racist like you. :p



When did Jocko become a racist? Jews are NOT a race. It's a religion.

I don't think Jocko has said anything about actual races here. Before you start calling me a racist for backing up Jocko, jus know that I've "been with" many colored womenz.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Sherman


When did Jocko become a racist? Jews are NOT a race. It's a religion.

I don't think Jocko has said anything about actual races here. Before you start calling me a racist for backing up Jocko, jus know that I've "been with" many colored womenz.

Well technically he's just a cheerleader for the other racists according to Fool. But so am I so it's more of an inside joke than anything. And if you support him and don't think he's a racist then you must be one of us. Shame on you.:p

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Sherman


When did Jocko become a racist? Jews are NOT a race. It's a religion.

I don't think Jocko has said anything about actual races here. Before you start calling me a racist for backing up Jocko, jus know that I've "been with" many colored womenz.

No worries. Troll and I - and many others - have been wrangling with Fool's propensity for crying racism... oops, I mean bigotry every time someone questions the Palestinian leadership's veracity... all the while giving free passes to some other posters who calmly remark that there are good reasons why busloads of civilians deserved to die.

I'm definitely biased on the issue, but that doesn't make me a bigot... something I took Fool to task for and I think he's got the message, in his own fashion.

Hey Troll, what do you call the cheerleaders for the cheerleaders of the omnipresent bigots? The bigot pep squad? The big-ettes?

I dunno, and in keeping with the French theme, I give up. http://greetings.123city.net/TempPictures/35399.gif

[Troll]

Originally posted by Jocko


No worries. Troll and I - and many others - have been wrangling with Fool's propensity for crying racism... oops, I mean bigotry every time someone questions the Palestinian leadership's veracity... all the while giving free passes to some other posters who calmly remark that there are good reasons why busloads of civilians deserved to die.

I'm definitely biased on the issue, but that doesn't make me a bigot... something I took Fool to task for and I think he's got the message, in his own fashion.

Hey Troll, what do you call the cheerleaders for the cheerleaders of the omnipresent bigots? The bigot pep squad? The big-ettes?

I dunno, and in keeping with the French theme, I give up. http://greetings.123city.net/TempPictures/35399.gif

I'd go with the the big-ettes as it sounds like baguette which is a French bread, thus giving us a double word score in the bigot game.:D

[JAR]

Originally posted by Pad
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

Does everybody in the US hate France and the French ? Are the Americans that stupid (I mean, even more stupid than the French ;)) ?
So why do they perpetually complain about anti-Americanism (which is far from reaching such an immoderate violence in France) ??
I'll tell ya why Americans like myself hate the French. It's because those G%dd@mn Frenchies are a bunch of arrogant, culturally imperialistic, hyprocritical, leftist, commie, Mumia lovers.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by JAR

I'll tell ya why Americans like myself hate the French. It's because those G%dd@mn Frenchies are a bunch of arrogant, culturally imperialistic, hyprocritical, leftist, commie, Mumia lovers.

In a nutshell, yeah. But I would have added something on the subject of personal hygiene.

:D

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jocko


No worries. Troll and I - and many others - have been wrangling with Fool's propensity for crying racism... oops, I mean bigotry every time someone questions the Palestinian leadership's veracity.

sigh...this is getting boring.... didn't we talked about this before? Do I have to spank you for lying in every thread on this damn board? Please supply one example of where I have called anyone a racist or bigot for making any comment about palestinian leadership. I happen to think the current palestinian leadership are a bunch of clowns. So come on son....Just one example will do.

Its a shame that you can't stay honest without close supervision...

I know you and Troll are upset about the way I have been treating you, but if you don't want to be treated like a doofus you may want to try maintaining some level of integrity with what you attribute to me.

[/B]

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jocko


In a nutshell, yeah. But I would have added something on the subject of personal hygiene.

:D
But of course you are not an apologist for bigots are you? Or are we going to hear the "it was only a joke" defence...

[Troll]

Originally posted by The Fool
quote:
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sigh...this is getting boring.... didn't we talked about this before? Do I have to spank you for lying in every thread on this damn board? Please supply one example of where I have called anyone a racist or bigot for making any comment about palestinian leadership. I happen to think the current palestinian leadership are a bunch of clowns. So come on son....Just one example will do.

Its a shame that you can't stay honest without close supervision...

I know you and Troll are upset about the way I have been treating you, but if you don't want to be treated like a doofus you may want to try maintaining some level of integrity with what you attribute to me.

Are you really that sad. No you knew better than to call us racists or bigots. So you safely worded it as our supporting them. Yet we don't

so the doofus portion goes soley to you for false claims thatyou cannot support. why can I say that with a straight face? Because you never answer a question posed to you yet you make claims about those that pose the tough questions.

I told you several posts ago, your credabilty is lost. Nopw you see that it is and now you bitch and try to get it back. But you can't.

You're screwed and you did it to yourself. so stop whining and accept your fate

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by aerocontrols


The fact that people like Manifesto buy it is what helps make it so funny.

Although it wasn't obvious from my post, I was in fact aware that it was a satirical site. The helicopters transporting the Statue was a clue.

I can see your dilemma, though. The internet doesn't have tone, inflection, or body language. How can you tell what someone knows and what they don't know? In your case, as a general rule of thumb, I'd keep in mind that I'm much smarter than you are. If you know something, then I know that same thing, too.

[Troll]

You chose badly Fool. now ya gotta deal with it.

Sorry if it sucks to be you right now but it's the you that you chose to be so deal with it

[Troll]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Although it wasn't obvious from my post, I was in fact aware that it was a satirical site. The helicopters transporting the Statue was a clue.

I can see your dilemma, though. The internet doesn't have tone, inflection, or body language. How can you tell what someone knows and what they don't know? In your case, as a general rule of thumb, I'd keep in mind that I'm much smarter than you are. If you know something, then I know that same thing, too.

Oh more of the "after the fact" syndrome? You guys really need to get tested for that.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Troll
You chose badly Fool. now ya gotta deal with it.

Sorry if it sucks to be you right now but it's the you that you chose to be so deal with it

Is there a reason why you can't jock Fool in Flame Wars? Or are you afraid that Tricky will slap you down again?

[Troll]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Is there a reason why you can't jock Fool in Flame Wars? Or are you afraid that Tricky will slap you down again?

Made the last post there, waiting for one of you to hit it. But here is where you morons keep trying to make a point and here is where you keep failing badly to do so.

so maybe you wanna go there and try to increase your chances of sensible postings. You ain't doing so well here

Now can you add to things here or was that the best you had and you needed to deflect it?

[Troll]

Support ran from ya fool. they stood up for you and defended you but now they're gone.

What do you have to offer. The weak assed apology you made earlier? Oh , do the defenders know you tried to make peace and apologize? Or are you gonna let them hang without knowing about your attempt to cut a deal?

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Troll


Are you really that sad. No you knew better than to call us racists or bigots. So you safely worded it as our supporting them. Yet we don't

Good to see you have finally dropped the bull about me calling you a racist or a bigot....you are learning, keep it up.

I told you several posts ago, your credabilty is lost.

Sorry to have to tell you this dude but you are hardly the judge of who has credability... Do you think your behavior on this forum builds your credability?


You're screwed and you did it to yourself. so stop whining and accept your fate

If my fate is to continue to read your gibberish then I accept that...Its a free forum. Looks like you are going to have to accept your fate too....Every time you spout garbage you are going to be challanged on it...thats life, get used to it.

Now I'll leave you to go back to your little frog bashing session. I'm sure its doing wonders for your credability...lol.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Troll
Support ran from ya fool. they stood up for you and defended you but now they're gone.

What do you have to offer. The weak assed apology you made earlier? Oh , do the defenders know you tried to make peace and apologize? Or are you gonna let them hang without knowing about your attempt to cut a deal?

wooohooo!!!
Is this the apology you are talking about troll?

Now I know you are upset about the way I've spoken to you in previous threads and If I have offended you I apologise, but as you seem to have stopped making stuff up and attributing it to me I feel it was worth it to take you to task.


Is this cutting a deal? oooops maybe I was a little quick off the mark in thinking you had stopped making stuff up eh?? Do I have to spank you again? I was just feeling sorry for you because I don't like picking on people who can't defend themselves, guess I'm just an old softie.

Anyway, its good to see you working on your credability, I know how important it is to you...

Ok, I'm finished with you now, you can go back to the frog jokes.

[Troll]

Originally posted by The Fool


wooohooo!!!
Is this the apology you are talking about troll?

Now I know you are upset about the way I've spoken to you in previous threads and If I have offended you I apologise, but as you seem to have stopped making stuff up and attributing it to me I feel it was worth it to take you to task.


Is this cutting a deal? oooops maybe I was a little quick off the mark in thinking you had stopped making stuff up eh?? Do I have to spank you again? I was just feeling sorry for you because I don't like picking on people who can't defend themselves, guess I'm just an old softie.

Anyway, its good to see you working on your credability, I know how important it is to you...

Ok, I'm finished with you now, you can go back to the frog jokes.

yeah Fool, that was your weak assed apology. I never made a thing up. As I've said before, I copied and pasted your own posts. You're the twit that sought racism and bigotry in my posts and then claimed I said you made such posts and then moronically challanged me to prove I made such claims to begin with. I've asked you several times, how the hell can I show you proof of something I never claimed to begin with. and what did you do?

You kept telling me to find you proof of what I never said. You lost before you started. give up trying to fool people into supporting you. You had a few that did at the beginning, but they saw what you're about and dropped that support rather quickly.

How's it feel to be alone and with no more support than that of AUP whose reputation is even more in question than your own?

You think you're clever and are affecting me? haha Dude, wake up

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Troll


yeah Fool, that was your weak assed apology. I never made a thing up.

So where is the "deal" you claimed i cut? you said I cut a deal...did you make that bit up?



You kept telling me to find you proof of what I never said.

I asked you for proof that I had called you a bigot when you said

"Where have I made bigotted remarks as you claim I have"

But I hadn't made such a claim had I...as you admitted.

"No you knew better than to call us racists or bigots."

but apparently you didn't know better than to lie that I had.
Then there is this whining about me also asking you to show where I had made bigotted ststements about americans. First you said you had not done it.

but you did say it didn't you...here it is

"are you going to call yourself Anti-american because you lump us all into the category you hate"

Now I don't know what planet you are from but on my planet people who lump all americans into a category they hate can justifiably be branded bigots...I asked you to show me some examples...crickets are still chirping on that request

You lost before you started. give up trying to fool people into supporting you. You had a few that did at the beginning, but they saw what you're about and dropped that support rather quickly.

well, maybe they just got bored with you before I did....Unfortunately for you I'm also getting bored with you.


How's it feel to be alone and with no more support than that of AUP whose reputation is even more in question than your own?

You have a bit of a fixation about this support business eh? Do you crave it? Its a common trait of trolls....



You think you're clever and are affecting me? haha Dude, wake up

well dude, something is affecting you. If I am contributing to that it does concern me. On the topic of credability it does concern me that people may think that I am simply stirring up trolls on this board. It is something I have been justifiably criticized for in the past. So I think it is only fair that I give you a break.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by The Fool

But of course you are not an apologist for bigots are you? Or are we going to hear the "it was only a joke" defence...

Well, that IS what the :D is for. I know you're humor challenged, but do try to keep up.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by The Fool

But of course you are not an apologist for bigots are you? Or are we going to hear the "it was only a joke" defence...

Now, If I had made unsubstantiated claims that the French had no right to exist, and run the US government from the shadows just so they can begin wars, that would be perfectly kosher, wouldn't it?

Get bent, Fool, doublespeak went out with Clinton. You are truly an ass and an attention hound.

[Troll]

Fool, I'm gonna say it for the last time. I've already said it several times and you still have the reading comprehension issue.

Not once did I say you said racist or bigotted things about America or Americans. Think about it for a few seconds. There is no "American" race. I did, however, ask if you were going to excuse yourself from claiming such since you have, in the past used all encompassing terms like "The US", thus speaking about everyone in general if you wanted to nitpick, which is what you were doing with Skeptic's posts. I also said I doubted that you meant each and every American and asked why you didn't apply that to Skeptic's posts as well.

Since then you have foolishly asked me to show you where you have been something I've never claimed you to be. That is known as deflection and diversion. You skip the true point to make a case for a false point that was never attempted to be made on the part of the people you seem to be having an issue with.

I mean I could just randomly ask you to show proof that I supported slavery and it would be the same thing you have tried to do. The difference is, I realize how moronic that would be and you apparently still can't see your error.

Now think about your cheersquad comments. You're claiming I support racism and bigotry because I didn't justify your claims of it in Skeptic's posts. In fact several others didn't see it so you claim we're supporting it. Yes, I said supporting it because cheerleaders, who are the single entities that make up a cheer squad or team are known as cheer leaders cheer and root for the home team or someone with something in common with themselves.

since then all you've been doing is going back and cocking up what others have been saying with your reading into their postings and avoiding the meat of their postings to begin with

[Troll]

Originally posted by The Fool

well dude, something is affecting you. If I am contributing to that it does concern me. On the topic of credability it does concern me that people may think that I am simply stirring up trolls on this board. It is something I have been justifiably criticized for in the past. So I think it is only fair that I give you a break

Yes, something is affecting me. It's your inability to use html and to make a point out of what was actually stated. I 'm trying to help you here, dude. But I guess you're wanting to play Iran and call me Israel.

[TillEulenspiegel]

Kinda neat the way a serious inquiry turned into a exersize of watching effluvium wash down the drain. well at least the Ad Homs are spread out ...la la la la la

[The Fool]

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
Kinda neat the way a serious inquiry turned into a exersize of watching effluvium wash down the drain. well at least the Ad Homs are spread out ...la la la la la
yes...A flood of frog jokes seems to be the limit of some peoples debate skill.....

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by The Fool

yes...A flood of frog jokes seems to be the limit of some peoples debate skill.....

Got any "American" jokes?

How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb?

[Jocko]

Originally posted by The Fool

yes...A flood of frog jokes seems to be the limit of some peoples debate skill.....

What a wonderfully bigoted choice of words.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Suddenly


Got any "American" jokes?

How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb?

We don't bother anymore as we just assume it's another power outage

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Suddenly
How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb? If they are country and western singers, it takes four.

One to change the bulb, three to sing about the old one.

[Ion]

Originally posted by JAR

I'll tell ya why Americans like myself hate the French. It's because those G%dd@mn Frenchies are a bunch of arrogant, culturally imperialistic, hyprocritical, leftist, commie, Mumia lovers.
and
Originally posted by Jocko


In a nutshell, yeah. But I would have added something on the subject of personal hygiene.

:D
Any support for these claims?

If the claimants try to duck the question of supporting these claims by saying that this is joking, then it shows poor humor.

So, if it is not poor humor, then what does support these claims?

[NullPointerException]

To take a page from the book of lon, we have already explained why the French are inferior in many other posts and feel no need to do anything but reiterate our stance in all subsequent threads of substantial similarity...

:i:

[Ion]

You did explain?

To your mother?

[epepke]

Originally posted by Pad
I'm astonished to see how widespread, in America, the hatred of French people is (especially on these boards).

There's very little actual hatred of the French. There's a lot of making fun of the French, who are good to make fun of, because they don't get the joke. (I mean, come on--Jerry Lewis?) And because the French don't get the joke, they think it's hatred, which makes it funnier.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Ion

and

Any support for these claims?


They're not claims, they're opinions. Just like your opinion that the definition of a recession is your unease about the IT industry in San Diego.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jocko


What a wonderfully bigoted choice of words.

I'm not really looking for cheersquad dancers at the moment. Leave your name with my secretary and we'll pm you if anything comes up.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by The Fool


I'm not really looking for cheersquad dancers at the moment. Leave your name with my secretary and we'll pm you if anything comes up.

You can pull your pants up now, Fool. I think we've seen all we need to see.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jocko


They're not claims, they're opinions. Just like your opinion that the definition of a recession is your unease about the IT industry in San Diego.

So I can't claim that you are an ignorant piece of human garbage, but I could state it as an opinion.... So I couldn't say "you are an ignorant piece of human garbage" If it was a claim but I could say "you are an ignorant piece of human garbage" If it was an opinion.

ok, lets test it out.

"you are an ignorant piece of human garbage"

claim or opinion? Winner gets a trophy ball.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by The Fool


So I can't claim that you are an ignorant piece of human garbage, but I could state it as an opinion.... So I couldn't say "you are an ignorant piece of human garbage" If it was a claim but I could say "you are an ignorant piece of human garbage" If it was an opinion.

ok, lets test it out.

"you are an ignorant piece of human garbage"

claim or opinion? Winner gets a trophy ball.

Now you're getting the picture. Opinions and @ssholes, you know what they say. At least you're not picturing me in a cheerleader outfit anymore, which will definitely help me sleep better tonight.

Go nuts, Fool, you're entitled.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Getting back opn topic...

I spent 3 years living in Winnipeg. While I can, by no means, speak of the entire, or even the majority, of the population there: The Winnipegers I ran into had a far more venomous attitude towards the French than any American i have ever met.

The Americans, however, seem to have a sillier way of showing it.


Freedom Fries, indeed...

[Troll]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
Getting back opn topic...

I spent 3 years living in Winnipeg. While I can, by no means, speak of the entire, or even the majority, of the population there: The Winnipegers I ran into had a far more venomous attitude towards the French than any American i have ever met.

The Americans, however, seem to have a sillier way of showing it.


Freedom Fries, indeed...

Yes it was quite silly. But not really as demeaning as desecrating the graves of people that helped out years ago though.

[Ion]

Originally posted by Jocko


They're not claims, they're opinions. Just like your opinion that the definition of a recession is your unease about the IT industry in San Diego.
When I gave 91 consumer confidence index in Nov. 2003 as opposed to 136 in 2000, these are nationwide and all sectors.

So, no "...IT industry in San Diego.", but all sectors nationwide.

As for opinions stated with a grain of mischief, they fall in the area of poor humor.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Troll


Yes it was quite silly. But not really as demeaning as desecrating the graves of people that helped out years ago though.

You won't hear me argue with you on that.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Ion

When I gave 91 consumer confidence index in Nov. 2003 as opposed to 136 in 2000, these are nationwide and all sectors.

So, no "...IT industry in San Diego.", but all sectors nationwide.

Too bad none of them are technically relevant to the definition of a recession, which was why I differentiated between "opinion" and "claim." Your "recession" is nothing more than an opinion - Greenspan saying we are in a recovery is a claim. Big difference.

As for opinions, then thay fall in area of poor humor.

Well, that's your opinion of my opinion.

[Troll]

Jocko, you guys are getting off topic. Now you know what Ion says about making sense and being off topic, don't you?

"I don't make sense to someone who is off topic like you are." Ion

Do we really need that?;)

[Troll]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy


You won't hear me argue with you on that.

Didn't think I would. But would you like to wager that it's not long before someone does argue it?

[Ion]

Originally posted by Jocko


Too bad none of them are technically relevant to the definition of a recession,...
...

Too bad the consumer confidence index is relevant to a recession.

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Troll


Didn't think I would. But would you like to wager that it's not long before someone does argue it?

That would be a bet I would be afraid to take. Not because I think I would lose, but because if I did, I might have to destroy a small country over the comments whoever made me lose it would have made.

I don't always agree with you on everything, Troll, but you're kind of fun to debate with. Because of that, I would like to ask anyone thinking of arguing the whole defilement of graves thing to not do it. I don't want to have to actually agree with Troll.

Just kidding, Troll.

[Ion]

Originally posted by Troll
Jocko, you guys are getting off topic. Now you know what Ion says about making sense and being off topic, don't you?

"I don't make sense to someone who is off topic like you are." Ion
...

Oh yeah, Troll reminds me of "...I don't make sense to someone who is off topic like you are..." applicable here:
Originally posted by Jocko

You can pull your pants up now, Fool. I think we've seen all we need to see.
Jocky,

I say that you should fantasize, get overexcited, and roll on the floor while kicking, screaming and drolling all over the place, only with people that you know and only in private.

Otherwise, your post here that's again in poor taste.

But maybe your family appreciates you though, I don't know.

Now, I bet that my claim here doesn't make sense to you...

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
Until that time we will have a problem ...BUT I will tell You this, If France was in danger or invaded, We The Americans as always will be the first to your defence.

Just like you were in the two major conflicts of the last century, WWI (1917 - 1919) and WWII (1941 - 1945)?

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Ion

Oh yeah, Troll reminds me of "...I don't make sense to someone who is off topic like you are..." applicable here:

Jocky,

I say that you should fantasize, get overexcited, and roll on the floor while kicking, screaming and drolling all over the place, only with people that you know and only in private.

Otherwise, your post here that's again in poor taste.

But maybe your family appreciates you though, I don't know.

Now, I bet that my claim here doesn't make sense to you...

The question, Ion, is not which country you're from but which planet you're from. And that question will have to be asked by someone who cares, which leaves me right out.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Jocko


The question, Ion, is not which country you're from but which planet you're from. And that question will have to be asked by someone who cares, which leaves me right out.

I beg to differ. The question for many will end up being, "Which countries supplied Ion's planet with weapons and how can it all get pinned on the US alone?";)

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Troll


I beg to differ. The question for many will end up being, "Which countries supplied Ion's planet with weapons and how can it all get pinned on the US alone?";)

You'd better watch your step. You're obviously dealing with a staggering intellect in Ion, one that not only redefines the term "recession" indexed to the price of tea in China (see how I tied that up with the thread's intent?)... but he's also not afraid of pulling out the "mother" insult, the atom bomb of flames. There is no possible recovery after one's mom has been mentioned.

I must concede defeat at the hands of Ion's overwhelming assault of wit and banter, not to mention hard facts.

Oh, and Fool... Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you. I forget, do you get that 12 hours before or after us?

[TillEulenspiegel]

How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Let's see........
First there has to be a janitorial position and the will to change the bulb,
Then the people effected by the lack of light must be convinced that it is dangerous even tho theres sunlite streaming in the window and no real sign of darkness.
The explanation of the danger and description of the bulb is based on an old architectural drawing and the location sited on the drawing is actually a stairway with a different kind of bulb.
The head janitor knows this but is basing his argument ( about the bulb change ) on the stairway to graphically illustrate the danger.

Then the head electrician arrives and he and the janitor engage in a debate as to the reality of the bulb change.
The electrician disagrees with the janitor's assessment and insists in a review of the architectural drawings, while the electrician and his assistants are studying the plan the janitor orders the bulb changed..The janitors staff changes the bulb ( with a few falling off the ladder hurting themselves)
The incensed electrician will then seek an explanation and proof in regards to the bulb change.
With assurances that the proof will come out and insistence that bulb needed changing, the janitor throws the switch...................... and the bulb promptly blows up. Hmmm this was not in the janitors plans. he orders the bulb changed again and the same thing happens the bulb blows up with a few more injuries, and again, and again........
Seems that the bulb the janitor is trying to install is 120V and the service is 220V.............

Uhh what was the question?

[Troll]

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Let's see........
First there has to be a janitorial position and the will to change the bulb,
Then the people effected by the lack of light must be convinced that it is dangerous even tho theres sunlite streaming in the window and no real sign of darkness.
The explanation of the danger and description of the bulb is based on an old architectural drawing and the location sited on the drawing is actually a stairway with a different kind of bulb.
The head janitor knows this but is basing his argument ( about the bulb change ) on the stairway to graphically illustrate the danger.

Then the head electrician arrives and he and the janitor engage in a debate as to the reality of the bulb change.
The electrician disagrees with the janitor's assessment and insists in a review of the architectural drawings, while the electrician and his assistants are studying the plan the janitor orders the bulb changed..The janitors staff changes the bulb ( with a few falling off the ladder hurting themselves)
The incensed electrician will then seek an explanation and proof in regards to the bulb change.
With assurances that the proof will come out and insistence that bulb needed changing, the janitor throws the switch...................... and the bulb promptly blows up. Hmmm this was not in the janitors plans. he orders the bulb changed again and the same thing happens the bulb blows up with a few more injuries, and again, and again........
Seems that the bulb the janitor is trying to install is 120V and the service is 220V.............

Uhh what was the question?

220V? Well that's the problem right there. You got an American changing a bulb in another country. Now the question becomes not how many Americans it will take, but why the hell ain't the people living there changing it for themselves?;)

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Troll


220V? Well that's the problem right there. You got an American changing a bulb in another country. Now the question becomes not how many Americans it will take, but why the hell ain't the people living there changing it for themselves?;)

Careful, or this'll blow up into another "America is exporting jobs" thread and Ion will land on you with both feet.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Jocko


Careful, or this'll blow up into another "America is exporting jobs" thread and Ion will land on you with both feet.


:dl:

[Michael Redman]

Every group of people on this planet attacks every other group of people with criticism, humor, violence, or whatever. Everyone makes fun of the French. Everyone makes fun of the Americans. Everyone makes fun of the Chinese.

What the French don't always seem to get (a failure admittedly shared by many) is that the others' criticism of them is not made invalid simply by virtue of their being French, nor is their criticism of others made valid by virtue of their being French. They love to point out American hypocrisy, but seem to believe that they are imbued with some sort of mystical immunity from the charge themselves.

I think that this is due to a remnant of imperialism in the European subconscious brought about by centuries of going around thinking that Europeans are objectively superior to everyone else. While all groups are arrogant, and assume their way is the best way (especially successful groups, like the Americans), Europeans seem to have a harder time coming to terms with the fact that they are not necessarily right. I don't think Americans wonder as much at the criticism they receive because they're better at acknowledging that others view things differently, even if the Americans don't think those different opinions are right. Europeans tend more to assume that those who hold differing opinions must therefore be mentally inferior.

I'm not defending Americans' arrogance, or trying to find fault with Europe, but I do think there is a difference in the way outside criticism is processed.

[Ion]

Does this:
Originally posted by Jocko


You'd better watch your step. You're obviously dealing with a staggering intellect in Ion, one that not only redefines the term "recession" indexed to the price of tea in China (see how I tied that up with the thread's intent?)... but he's also not afraid of pulling out the "mother" insult, the atom bomb of flames. There is no possible recovery after one's mom has been mentioned.

I must concede defeat at the hands of Ion's overwhelming assault of wit and banter, not to mention hard facts.
...

mean that we are cool now?

Providing that you promise to learn more before criticizing, like unfairly criticizing the French for hygiene?

[BTox]

Originally posted by Ion
Providing that you promise to learn more before criticizing, like unfairly criticizing the French for hygiene?

Hmm... why should you care about French poor personal hygiene?

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Ion
Does this:

mean that we are cool now?

Providing that you promise to learn more before criticizing, like unfairly criticizing the French for hygiene?

Yes, yes, anything you say. Just please don't insult my mother. I'll do anything to avoid the rapier wit you have shown. We're cool - I submit to your superior debating skills.

Uncle!

UNCLE!

[CapelDodger]

from Michael Redman:
I think that this is due to a remnant of imperialism in the European subconscious brought about by centuries of going around thinking that Europeans are objectively superior to everyone else.
No, this is a French idea that French culture is objectively superior. Remember, French imperialism was exercised in parts the British didn't want. They had to have some sort of fall-back position.

from Troll:
Not to mention their great contributions to the world such as Emmanuelle Béart.
A man of discernment.
But it is easy to pick on them. I mean their history of surrender gives a person an easy fight.
Leaving aside Napoleon and Verdun, what about the Italian military performance since the Romans (who depended on Germans for a good while)? They nearly lost a civil war in the 1860's. "Italian tanks - four reverse gears, one forward so you can find someone to surrender to." Do you hear that sort of joke in the US? I think not, in a country so well-stocked with legitimate businessmen. Which makes the point that a lot more Italians than French went to the US.

Arch-villain Scorpio to Homer Simpson: "Which do you like least, France or Italy?"
Homer: "France"
Scorpio: "(No-one ever says Italy.)"

There may also be something in the US experiences of invading Canada.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by CapelDodger


Leaving aside Napoleon and Verdun...


Uh, wasn't Napolean Corsican? It's a small distinction, to be sure, like Hitler being Austrian, but still...

[Jocko]

Originally posted by CapelDodger
from Michael Redman:


They nearly lost a civil war in the 1860's.

Funny, but how does a nation lose a civil war? That's like the Bears playing the Falcons and them both losing - which, this year, was entirely possible.

[TillEulenspiegel]

Well Michael R I agree with your observations after all France is the country that gave us Chauvinism (hijacked mistakinly in the 70's ) derived from the little generals officer Nicolas Chauvin .

That particular aboration is marked by a fanitical zeal for ones leader and counrty ( damn why does that seem so fimiliar...Hmm never mind). The truth be known the expression of that "attribute" is part of the Gaulic spirit that trancends national borders and geographical location ( see Quebec and please pronounce it Key-beck)

Americans have been accused of the same type of arrogance , yet the country is composed of whites , blacks,browns,yellows,reds prostants,chatholics,jews, moslems, bahi' and we're all Americans. When we saved thier asses in WW1,WW2 and Indochine there were folks of all those attributes that died for them ( and Us ). The French have a deep rooted ( prahaps sub-consious) anti-Americanism firmly rooted in thier Psyche.It expresses itself as a matter of every day life, prahaps we're not special in thier eyes after all, I think they might dispise everyone equally .

[epepke]

Originally posted by Troll
Yes it was quite silly. But not really as demeaning as desecrating the graves of people that helped out years ago though.

This is the humor.

The French have a bunch of people who go around promoting the purity of French and preventing things like "le Big Mac" from entering the language, lest it magically impair the Gallic superiority and force them to put doors on public toilets or something. When that French newspaper (Le Monde?) printed the headline "WE ARE ALL AMERICANS" after 9/11, they were actually breaking the law by having a headline in any language other than French. This is taken bloodlessly seriously in France.

And yet, by contrast, we're the silly ones because the Congressional cafeteria and practically nobody else came up with "Freedom Fries?" Yeah, right.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by epepke
When that French newspaper (Le Monde?) printed the headline "WE ARE ALL AMERICANS" after 9/11, they were actually breaking the law by having a headline in any language other than French. This is taken bloodlessly seriously in France.

I'm fairly certain that the headline in Le Monde was Nous Sommes Tous Américains. Perhaps another French newspaper printed the same headline in English?

MattJ

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by Jocko


Uh, wasn't Napolean Corsican? It's a small distinction, to be sure, like Hitler being Austrian, but still...

The French Foriegn Legion is said to be only as good as its worst German Sergent. :D

Let's not forget France's loss to Mexico...

On the other hand, France wasn't to whipping boy some countries would have us believe. We tend to hear about horrble French losses at Crecy, Poiters and Agincourt during the hundred years war, but who ultimately drove who out of what country in that war?

Then there was the ability for the French to fight quite well in WW2, once a certain other nation had its army evacuated. They still got overwhelmed, however.

[Troll]

I was just getting ready to say something nice about France's military history and Joan of Arc when I found this link.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3541200&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

[CapelDodger]

from Jocko:
Uh, wasn't Napolean Corsican?
Most of the army wasn't.
Funny, but how does a nation lose a civil war?
Only in Italy ...

from kookbreaker:
Let's not forget France's loss to Mexico ...
No surrender-monkeys at Camerone, as I recall, but then again, Foreign Legion. And it may have been Mexico's loss - consider, they could have been in the EU rather than NAFTA. For what that's worth.

from TillEulenspiegel:
When we saved thier asses in WW1,WW2 and Indochine ...
Did I miss the 101st in the order of battle at Dien Bien Phu? The most famous American involvement in WW1 was the Lost Company - not lost as in "went over the top and was never seen again" but as in "where the f**k are we?" In WW2 American concern for French liberty had to wait on a declaration of war by Germany, and there were French asses in Oran that got something other than saved. No regrets there, admittedly, but let's keep some historical perspective.

[CapelDodger]

from kookbreaker:
Then there was the ability for the French to fight quite well in WW2, once a certain other nation had its army evacuated. They still got overwhelmed, however.
The Italians joined in just before the French collapsed and ended up further back than they started when France surrendered. (That evacuation, by the way, lifted almost as many French off the beaches as it did Brits.) Check out the Italian assault on Greece later: that also went backwards until the Germans turned up. In fact, if performance during WW2 was the crux then the Congress cafeteria would have been renaming pizza long ago.

[Dancing David]

I haven't read th eother posts:

It is most likely because Americans are politicaly unsophisticated, so like a two year old they see things in black and white. So the French are either 'good' or 'bad' and there is no way in American politics to view it with any sort of complexity.

GWB can't stand the fact that another nation might exercise it's demoracy and tell the US , non.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by kookbreaker

On the other hand, France wasn't to whipping boy some countries would have us believe. We tend to hear about horrble French losses at Crecy, Poiters and Agincourt during the hundred years war, but who ultimately drove who out of what country in that war?



And why the motto of the English king is French, the Duke of Burgundy was certainly stronger than the English forces.

[TillEulenspiegel]

C-Doger,

Your point is taken but is much adue about nothing...minor skirmishes all. We also have Me Li and No Gun Re ..tho say that somehow this defines American character is non-sensicle. The Americans and British forces won WW! , ditto For WW2 even tho we had to wait for Charles DeGaulle to parade his sorry ass down the Champs d' Alesse to the Arch O' foolin Yourselves and the Russins to enter Berlin. If it wasn't for My father and his , You would all be speaking German or Russian so ..ach Mine Gott! I almost said a naughty word.

Your attempt to point out certain historical shortcomings. ( one must remember that America was fiercely isolationalist after WW1 and had to be dragged into another fight to save the European's from themselves especially after Pres.W Wilson's failed attempt at The League of Nations) to state some sort of across the board failure of human nature is both disingenuous and transparent as an attempt to appear reasonable.

So , please let's not try to appear well versed while actually being revisionist.

edit to add posters name

[epepke]

Originally posted by aerocontrols


I'm fairly certain that the headline in Le Monde was Nous Sommes Tous Américains. Perhaps another French newspaper printed the same headline in English?

MattJ

No, I was probably just lied to and believed it.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by CapelDodger
from kookbreaker:

The Italians joined in just before the French collapsed and ended up further back than they started when France surrendered. (That evacuation, by the way, lifted almost as many French off the beaches as it did Brits.)


True enough, but there were many French who were bitter about the abandonment for decades afterwards. The decision to evacuate was ultimately the correct one, but I am always amused at how the British military history machine is able to turn an ignominous retreat into some kind of glorious event.


Check out the Italian assault on Greece later: that also went backwards until the Germans turned up. In fact, if performance during WW2 was the crux then the Congress cafeteria would have been renaming pizza long ago.

They got better. But then again, these guys got pounded by Abbyssinians some years before, yes?

[Shaun from Scotland]

Originally posted by CapelDodger
from kookbreaker:

The Italians joined in just before the French collapsed and ended up further back than they started when France surrendered. (That evacuation, by the way, lifted almost as many French off the beaches as it did Brits.) Check out the Italian assault on Greece later: that also went backwards until the Germans turned up. In fact, if performance during WW2 was the crux then the Congress cafeteria would have been renaming pizza long ago.

The British Army would have been annihilated at dunkirk if not for the unbeleivable courage of the largely french forces holding the perimeter. Fact.

And and everyone always forgets who broke the German lines at Monte Cassino...........

See stereotypes. See Discovery Channel historians........

[Ion]

Originally posted by BTox


Hmm... why should you care about French poor personal hygiene?
Poor attempt at humor.

That is discriminatory.

Like the thread points to.

[Ion]

Originally posted by Jocko


Uh, wasn't Napolean Corsican? It's a small distinction, to be sure, like Hitler being Austrian, but still...
It is a small distinction.

France is made of territories -like Pays Basque, Bretagne, Normandie- and islands -like Corsica-.

In 1789 Napoleon fought unsuccessfully for the Corsican independence, then he went to mainland France.

So, Corsica was French at the time of Napoleon, and is French now.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Ion

It is a small distinction.

France is made of territories -like Pays Basque, Bretagne, Normandie- and islands -like Corsica-.

In 1789 Napoleon fought unsuccessfully for the Corsican independence, then he went to mainland France.

So, Corsica was French at the time of Napoleon, and is French now.

Yes, and Sicily is part of Italy. Call a Sicilian "Italian" and you'll see how much formal definitions mean. That is to say, you'll see it in the shape of getting your throat cut.

Guam is technically American, yet I doubt 3-piece suits are the norm.

Point is, it's a different culture no matter what the maps say, which is probably why Napoleon succeeded the way he did. Look at how the French treated their last winning general - they handed her over to the British after she liberated their country.

[fishbob]

Originally posted by Pad

I see sentences like these ones everywhere : "Somebody has to defend Saddam. Everybody will hate the defense attorney after the trial anyway, so who better than a french guy that everybody hates already."Sorry I was late. It was a joke. Maybe a little subtle, and I don't like smilies. Feel free to classify as a poor attempt at humor.

By the way, back when I was in gradual school, the Chinese published paleontological papers in english, as did the Soviets, the Italians, the Czechs, the Scandinavians, the Brazilians, the Spanish, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the Americans, the Germans, the Koreans, and the Latvians. The French published their paleontological results in french. This is an attitude that deserves to be made fun of. Exactly like freedom fries.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by fishbob
Sorry I was late. It was a joke. Maybe a little subtle, and I don't like smilies. Feel free to classify as a poor attempt at humor.

By the way, back when I was in gradual school, the Chinese published paleontological papers in english, as did the Soviets, the Italians, the Czechs, the Scandinavians, the Brazilians, the Spanish, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the Americans, the Germans, the Koreans, and the Latvians. The French published their paleontological results in french. This is an attitude that deserves to be made fun of. Exactly like freedom fries.

Yes, but as silly as the freedom fries were, it came and went. The French have been hard at work to wall themeselves into a cultural fortress for centuries. Freedom fries was to make a point, but the French have been trying the deny reality.