Bigfoot Hunter at it again

[Penamunde]

I Touched It, I Smelled It, I Tasted It.....any one remember this from Tom Biscardi? Well He's Back


The link is to the TV New report


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqkyzzcoRYs&feature=player_embedded

Oh Boy Here we go again....

[makaya325]

Horrible acting on the witnesses part :rolleyes:

[LTC8K6]

Here they go again. More obvious silliness promoted by the media.

[LTC8K6]

"Is that you?" sounds like it's in a building and how could they not have seen a big thing standing in the middle of the trail?

[Penamunde]

This whole thing sounds like a plant by Biscardi, With all the MRP BS flying, its the perfect time for the Chief Hoaxer to pop up, considering the cover given to him by other (s) which we will not speak their name (WINK).

[LTC8K6]

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8cdb2fd8287697617474ce461e01ae3d4g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/0b649e7fcaf3e585af91c8eccc5e86b84g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/898b3ea981a9e501931c23451241969c4g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/497f59e7d43ac4d6c53f0aceb157e8904g.jpg

[Olowkow]

:D It's obviously Sanford's "soul mate".

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/06/23/sanford-disappears-to-hike-appalachian-trail-on-naked-hiking-day/

[WGBH]

The problem is the media always run to this idiot. They are the ones who are to blame. He is dead in the Bigfoot community.

[makaya325]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxt6vt2YxM0

Priceless

[Penamunde]

:D It's obviously Sanford's "soul mate".

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/06/23/sanford-disappears-to-hike-appalachian-trail-on-naked-hiking-day/

LOL thats a good one.....Hey maybe there is a Recording Project going on that no one knows about?


:D

[Penamunde]

The problem is the media always run to this idiot. They are the ones who are to blame. He is dead in the Bigfoot community.

Thats why I think this was planted by Him....Notice the Cavalier "HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAAAAAAAY" stance he takes.....LOL

[William Parcher]

He is dead in the Bigfoot community.

And the Bigfoot community is dead in the world.

[William Parcher]

Thats why I think this was planted by Him....

Planted what? It doesn't even look like a fake Bigfoot.

[Olowkow]

They're just damn lucky that dead tree stump didn't attack! They can be vicious.

[Penamunde]

Planted what? It doesn't even look like a fake Bigfoot.

Planted the story: get a guy to come up with stupid photo crap and then He will follow in and try to catch attention....well I guess it worked.....

as it did for the Other (s)

More importantly " What Does a Fake Bigfoot Look Like? We know what one sounds like don't we.

[Penamunde]

They're just damn lucky that dead tree stump didn't attack! They can be vicious.

Yep those damn things are every where in the forest.....Its time we all carried chainsaws......LOL:D

[Drewbot]

"when he came across what looks like a forest"

Money...

[Penamunde]

"when he came across what looks like a forest"

Money...

Bingo...We have a winner:jaw-dropp

[makaya325]

Scum like Biscardi give researchers a bad name. Why shouldn't he be locked up?

[Penamunde]

Scum like Biscardi give researchers a bad name. Why shouldn't he be locked up?

I think Hoaxers, ALL Hoaxers give researchers a bad name.

However, in the past Month and a half apparently its OK, if you have friends. I know its a cheap shot but when you shooting at SCUM.

[Drewbot]

Bingo...We have a winner:jaw-dropp

Listen to the video in the OP. The reporter actually says

"When he came upon what looked like a forest"

I was directly quoting the News story!

[LTC8K6]

I hear "fort", not "forest".

[LTC8K6]

However, I see nothing fort-like in the pics.

[Penamunde]

Listen to the video in the OP. The reporter actually says

"When he came upon what looked like a forest"

I was directly quoting the News story!


OMG your right, LOL.....Its an undocumented forest...find of a century.

Complete with Unedited (WINK) sounds as well......I know please forward all complaints to 1-800-GET-HOAX or send an email to Flush@Kick-a-Hoax.ORG...

.....$ 5.99 a minute, all carrier rates apply.....
:D

[Olowkow]

However, I see nothing fort-like in the pics.
I hear "fort" [for-uht] too. Nothing "fort-like", nothing big foot-like in the pics either, but hey. Slow news day.

[Drewbot]

Revised to say I now beleive she says 'Fort' but I do not know why she says that.

[William Parcher]

I think Biscardi is an interesting character. I can see why many Bigfooters don't like him. He's an unapologetic huckster like so many before him. He seems to be skilled at getting airtime. You can see that the media is amused because Bigfoot is make believe anyway.

Each time anyone gets press coverage promoting Bigfoot, it reminds the world that Bigfoot really doesn't exist. It's simply not something that is on everyones mind... that is... people either forget or never really think much about the fact that Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent. It is simply not comparable to the mountain gorilla, okapi, saola, coelacanth, etc. There are very rational and reasonable explanations for the "scientific discovery" of those creatures. It makes sense to us why "it took so long" and missed opportunities, etc. But Bigfoot isn't like that and its proposed existence is nonsense.

[LTC8K6]

The story is that this guy came upon this structure in the woods. The "fort". This is what he was photographing, of course, when his camera phone, unbeknownst to him, captured the bigfoot.

The claim is that bigfoot built the "fort", of course. I guarantee it's a main part of the scam to hook the believers.

[Drewbot]

The guy who took the photo looks like someone I've seen in Bigfootry.
I'll bet he is a Bigfooter, and we've seen him somewhere before.

[makaya325]

Bigfoot is make believe anyway.



Excuse me? Do not jump the gun here

Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent.

People have only been recently exploring this continent.

It is simply not comparable to the mountain gorilla, okapi, saola, coelacanth, etc. There are very rational and reasonable explanations for the "scientific discovery" of those creatures.

Of course it is. These animals were doubted, then found, especially the Gorilla. Stories of "hairy monsters stealing women" in Africa was not believed, until a body showed up

It makes sense to us why "it took so long" and missed opportunities, etc. But Bigfoot isn't like that and its proposed existence is nonsense.

I think that even some here would disagree. If it's existence is nonsense to you, why discuss it? Sure, its a cool myth, but why have 30 pages on a make-believe animal?

[William Parcher]

I'll bet he is a Bigfooter


He is by default. People who do not believe Bigfoot exists do not bring you pictures saying that they show Bigfoot.

I know you meant that he is an already known Bigfooter. Somebody on BFF will probably point that out if true. I doubt that he was a BF skeptic before him and the wife took the pic.

It doesn't look like a fake Bigfoot. I mean it doesn't look like a guy in a BF suit. It looks like a dead tree trunk or maybe a clump of dead leaves hanging from a branch (perspective illusion). Is this from a video? Does the "subject" move at all? Does the guy holding the camera move at all during the scene?

[LTC8K6]

One of the photos was labled KenJanien1, so presumably the guy is Ken Janien?

[GT/CS]

Excuse me? Do not jump the gun here



People have only been recently exploring this continent.



Of course it is. These animals were doubted, then found, especially the Gorilla. Stories of "hairy monsters stealing women" in Africa was not believed, until a body showed up



I think that even some here would disagree. If it's existence is nonsense to you, why discuss it? Sure, its a cool myth, but why have 30 pages on a make-believe animal?

Ahem

It is ok to consider bigfoot a cool myth, but I suggest that you do not let it take control of your life.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4750883&postcount=396

That's twice you've called it a myth. So you do not believe in bigfoot.

[makaya325]

Do not let it take control of your life, believer or skeptic, does not matter. Why bother with an animal that you consider is Imaginary, WP? Don't give me the "well it's interesting" bull, give me the real scoop., because you obviously take pride and joy talking about footers more than bigfoot

[LTC8K6]

The data in the photos has a date of 0ctober 6 2009 and indicates it was made with Windows Movie Maker.

[Drewbot]

Look at the profile pic of Squatchfoot at BFF
Note the age of Squatchfoot at BFF.

Is this a match?

[William Parcher]

Drew, what you are suggesting requires a person to be registered at BFF.

[GeeMack]

Do not let it take control of your life, believer or skeptic, does not matter. Why bother with an animal that you consider is Imaginary, WP? Don't give me the "well it's interesting" bull, give me the real scoop., because you obviously take pride and joy talking about footers more than bigfoot


We do have some pretty strong evidence to suggest that bigfoot believers exist, whereas the evidence to support the notion that there really is a bigfoot is pretty darn close to non-existent. Bigfoot hunters/believers are interesting. It's a baffling phenomenon, people who are often thoroughly convinced that something is real, despite the complete lack of legitimate objective evidence for its existence. UFOs, bigfoot, psychic x-ray vision, a solid iron surface on the Sun, fundamental religiosity, they're all the same in more ways than they are different. By some definition it's delusional, yet most of these people are sane enough to hold jobs, tie their own shoes, feed themselves without dribbling on their bibs, and generally fit in as if they were regular people like you and... well... like me anyway. Yes, we are curious, very curious as to what might make otherwise sensible, normally intelligent human beings go off the deep end when it comes to their particular pet unevidenced beliefs.

[EHocking]

...Of course it is. These animals were doubted, then found, especially the Gorilla. Stories of "hairy monsters stealing women" in Africa was not believed, until a body showed up...Please will you stop repeating this footer invented "fact"?

It has been pointed out to you numerous times that this is an invention of crypto websites and that there are no scientific cites that supports this myth.

[makaya325]

Please will you stop repeating this footer invented "fact"?

It has been pointed out to you numerous times that this is an invention of crypto websites and that there are no scientific cites that supports this myth.

Why would any westerner admit to being wrong about a species?

[shandyjan]

OMG your right, LOL.....Its an undocumented forest...find of a century.

Complete with Unedited (WINK) sounds as well......I know please forward all complaints to 1-800-GET-HOAX or send an email to Flush@Kick-a-Hoax.ORG...

.....$ 5.99 a minute, all carrier rates apply.....
:D

I think that forest is fake, those trees, somthing not right about them......

:duck:

Why is the tree footage clear and the 'something stationary' all blurry?

[William Parcher]

By some definition it's delusional, yet most of these people are sane enough to hold jobs, tie their own shoes, feed themselves without dribbling on their bibs, and generally fit in as if they were regular people like you and... well... like me anyway. Yes, we are curious, very curious as to what might make otherwise sensible, normally intelligent human beings go off the deep end when it comes to their particular pet unevidenced beliefs.

Over time I have come to the opinion that a certain meaningful percentage of Bigfoot believers do not actually believe. They pretend to believe because they are drawn to the Bigfooter subculture for whatever reasons. A person can much more easily mix and mingle in that community if you declare yourself a believer, or really trump it up by telling them you saw a Bigfoot.

I won't belabor this but to say that you could find yourself in a heated argument about Bigfoot and the dude on the other end is pretending to be a believer, and pretending that they think the evidence is pretty decent.

[makaya325]

So very credible people, such as Longtabber, are pretending to see bigfoot?

[WGBH]

That bald guy is no Bigfooter I have seen or heard of and I know plenty. I will ask Eric in PA, if this guy is a PA footer he knows.

[EHocking]

Why would any westerner admit to being wrong about a species?Try sticking to the subject and provide a scientific or historically verifiable cite that supports this crypto myth about the western discovery of the gorilla.
Please will you stop repeating this footer invented "fact"?

It has been pointed out to you numerous times that this is an invention of crypto websites and that there are no scientific cites that supports this myth.

[WGBH]

I think that forest is fake, those trees, somthing not right about them......


I know you were making a joke, but you are actually onto something. The Foliage looks too green for the pics to be shot in PA in October.

[shandyjan]

I know you were making a joke, but you are actually onto something. The Foliage looks too green for the pics to be shot in PA in October.

It was snarky. But the trees are very green I know nothing of the weather there though. You think it was shot much earlier?

[makaya325]

Try sticking to the subject and provide a scientific or historically verifiable cite that supports this crypto myth about the western discovery of the gorilla.

http://www.gorillatrackinguganda.com/Uganda-Wildlife-Gorillas.aspx

Up until 1902 the mountain gorilla was wildly regarded as a myth by the western world

For the Okapi

http://www.brookfieldzoo.org/pgpages/pagegen.158.aspx

To western science, they were only a local myth well into the 1900’s

http://blogs.sandiegozoo.org/blog/2009/07/14/new-okapi-shhits-a-secret/


Once known as the “African unicorn”, the okapi was believed to be only a thing of myth

[shandyjan]

Makaya its one thing back in the previous centuries. It is a different thing today, with more awareness, more equipment easily available.
Also you are talking in the middle of nowhere, but these reports are not all in the middle of nowhere, many people can and do go to the areas in question.

[makaya325]

Makaya its one thing back in the previous centuries. It is a different thing today, with more awareness, more equipment easily available.
Also you are talking in the middle of nowhere, but these reports are not all in the middle of nowhere, many people can and do go to the areas in question.

Actually, if you think of it, more people are in the cities than in the rugged, Congo-like forests of the PNW

[makaya325]

The top three states with the most sightings:

California- 415

Oregon-216

Washington- 474

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png

Owned

[shandyjan]

Makaya,What is this 'owned' for, is that teen speak? As I dont think it belongs in here. My point is these areas are not hard to get to, and some that used to be arn't anymore. It should be easier to get good photographs now than ever before, yet less appear. And still the shaky blurry things the same as previous decades. What are you trying to say to me, that I should believe? I cant quite make out what point youre arguing.

[Ravenwood]

Population densities of the aforementioned states:
California 234.4/sq mi (11th)
Oregon 35.6/sq mile (39th)
Washington 88.6/sq mile (25th)

[Óðinn]

..people either forget or never really think much about the fact that Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent..

That google told you? You can't know what information didn't make it to present day. That's the "bigfoot" out. Is it a long-standing hoax, or the most plausible cryptid? It is hard to fathom going this long without resolution, but the myth is set up for us to be on the edge of discovery. The concept is perfect, for what it is. Which is what I suspect intrigues you about BF, the phenomenon.

[makaya325]

Population densities of the aforementioned states:
California 234.4/sq mi (11th)
Oregon 35.6/sq mile (39th)
Washington 88.6/sq mile (25th)

I will give you that, but most of the population in california resides in the southern part. For Oregon and Washington, the greatest concentrations are in the cities. As you go further out west, people will become hard to come by

[GT/CS]

Actually, if you think of it, more people are in the cities than in the rugged, Congo-like forests of the PNW

Please explain how the forests of the PNW are like the congo.

[Audible Click]

Please explain how the forests of the PNW are like the congo.

I was just about to ask that.

[makaya325]

Please explain how the forests of the PNW are like the congo.

While the Congo is more unexplored, both are quite remote, similar consistencies in their own kind of climates, are huge, have tribes of their own.

[GT/CS]

While the Congo is more unexplored, both are quite remote, similar consistencies in their own kind of climates, are huge, have tribes of their own.

Sorry, but that troll-like answer that says absolutely nothing doesn't cut it.

Try it again. This time give concrete examples or admit you lied again.

[desertgal]

I will give you that, but most of the population in california resides in the southern part. For Oregon and Washington, the greatest concentrations are in the cities. As you go further out west, people will become hard to come by

Further west from Washington and Oregon? Yes, I imagine people would be harder to come by in the Pacific Ocean.

[makaya325]

Sorry, but that troll-like answer that says absolutely nothing doesn't cut it.

Try it again. This time give concrete examples or admit you lied again.

That is not a troll like answer. I was stating what both areas had in common, all of which i was correct on.

[makaya325]

Further west from Washington and Oregon? Yes, I imagine people would be harder to come by in the Pacific Ocean.

I meant to say the western parts of Oregon and Washington.

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png/300px-Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png

[desertgal]

I meant to say the western parts of Oregon and Washington.

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png/300px-Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png

You mean, like around Seattle and Portland? Yep. People would be pretty scarce there.

[GT/CS]

That is not a troll like answer. I was stating what both areas had in common, all of which i was correct on.

Yes it is, no you didn't, and no you weren't.

What things in particular are the same? What part of the PNW is similar to the Congo?

We know you don't know so just admit it or keep trolling along.

[SezMe]

Please, please, please don't let mak hijack yet another thread with his idiocy.

[SezMe]

Revised to say I now beleive she says 'Fort' but I do not know why she says that.
To me it looked like the video was pointing at a clearing. It might be natural or it might be a space cleared by some teenagers hoping to get high or get some nookie. If he wants to call that a "fort", well, ok.

[desertgal]

Please, please, please don't let mak hijack yet another thread with his idiocy.

Okay, fair request. Sorry. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...;)

[desertgal]

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png/300px-Bigfoot_Sightings_in_USA.png

Just an observation: It's interesting to note that there are so few sightings in Nevada, given the proximity to the Pacific Northwest, and the higher ratio of sightings in Idaho, Arizona, and Utah.

Being a native Nevadan, I wonder why that is? Granted, Nevada is mostly desert, but it also has the Tahoe National Forest and other wooded areas in the Sierra range - and some pretty vast stretches in the middle. Maybe we're all too busy looking for UFO's around Area 51 to pay attention to big, hairy bipeds? :D

[makaya325]

Big, remote forests= more bigfoot sightings. Hmmm....i wonder why

[hokie]

Great video. Love the green effect. Nice quality camera. Then comes the 'looks like a fort' comment. That's my 8 year old's vision of fallen trees in the woods. Then the "there's thing thing standing in the trail" comment. That's the weed talking. This guy appears confused. He leaves the trail to see the fort and then tells the reporters that the object was in the trail which was must be behind him when he shot the footage.

[desertgal]

Big, remote forests= more bigfoot sightings. Hmmm....i wonder why

Nevada has large, remote forests, Gomer. What part of Tahoe. National. Forest. and the. Sierra. range. did you not understand?

A higher ratio of Bigfoot sightings also aren't limited to forests. Texas has a higher ratio of sightings than Nevada, and it is mostly desert.

Please. Spare us all your trolling observations on subjects that you know nothing about.

[Penamunde]

The data in the photos has a date of 0ctober 6 2009 and indicates it was made with Windows Movie Maker.

Yeah, I thought that was strange myself...any ideas?

[SezMe]

... Gomer.
Thereby fulfilling my chuckle-a-day requirement.

[Marmaduke]

Biscardi has a long history of this sort of nonsense. Back in 2005 he claimed on Coast to Coast AM that his "team" captured a bigfoot and he was enroute to see it.

It was the first time I listened to C2C and throughout the interview he kept changing the height and weight of the bigfoot, as well as how it was captured. He kept stuttering and stammering on questions and I kept wondering why the host wasn't calling him on such an obvious fake. Then I found out more about C2C and George Noory.

The interview was so eye-rollingly bad that I saved an mp3 copy of it for entertainment purposes. If anyone wants a copy, let me know. It's about 7mb in length.

[Drewbot]

Drew, what you are suggesting requires a person to be registered at BFF.

Go register then, Parcher

[LTC8K6]

Go register then, Parcher

Now that I'd like to see... :D

[The Shrike]

I think Biscardi is an interesting ... people either forget or never really think much about the fact that Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent. It is simply not comparable to the mountain gorilla, okapi, saola, coelacanth, etc. There are very rational and reasonable explanations for the "scientific discovery" of those creatures. It makes sense to us why "it took so long" and missed opportunities, etc. But Bigfoot isn't like that and its proposed existence is nonsense.

THANK YOU. I've been making this point to true believers for years, but those same ridiculous examples keep turning up in their argumentation.

[makaya325]

Nevada has large, remote forests, Gomer. What part of Tahoe. National. Forest. and the. Sierra. range. did you not understand?

A higher ratio of Bigfoot sightings also aren't limited to forests. Texas has a higher ratio of sightings than Nevada, and it is mostly desert.

Please. Spare us all your trolling observations on subjects that you know nothing about.

Actually, I know quite a boatload of information on bigfootry.

[Alareth]

Actually, I know quite a boatload of information on bigfootry.

You've failed to demonstrate that here so far, when will you start?

[makaya325]

You've failed to demonstrate that here so far, when will you start?

I am sorry if i don't fit the scoftic mindset when it comes to bigfootry, but I do know about JW Burns coinage of the term "Sasquatch" in the 1920's, the Ape canyon incident with Fred Beck, the Ostman kidnapping, etc.

[William Parcher]

Albert Ostman - Kidnapped by a Bigfoot in 1924 (http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1091)

Ostman: I was awakened by something picking me up. I was half asleep and at first I did not remember where I was. As I began to get my wits together, I remembered I was on this prospecting trip, and in my sleeping bag.

My first thought was—it must be a snow slide, but there was no snow around my camp. Then it felt like I was tossed on horseback, but I could feel whoever it was, was walking.

I tried to reason out what kind of animal this could be, I tried to get at my sheath knife, and cut my way out, but I was in an almost sitting position, and the knife was under me. I could not get hold of it, but the rifle was in front of me, I had a good hold of that, and had no intention to let go of it. At times I could feel my packsack touching me, and could feel the cans in the sack touching my back.

After what seemed like an hour, I could feel we were going up a steep hill. I could feel myself rise for every step. What was carrying me was breathing hard and sometimes gave a slight cough. Now, I knew this must be one of the mountain Sasquatch giants the Indian told me about.

They look like a family, old man, old lady and two young ones, a boy and a girl. The boy and the girl seem to be scared of me. The old lady did not seem too pleased about what the old man dragged home. But the old man was waving his arms and telling them all what he had in mind. They all left me then.

John Green's review: If someone told it now it would probably be laughed off, even by sasquatch enthusiasts, because detailed information is readily available in print and several people have made up slightly similar accounts of adventures with the hairy giants. For Albert Ostman there was no pattern to follow. Some of the things he said of the sasquatch have not been confirmed by the hundreds of later reports. No one else, for instance, has described anything like bark and moss blankets. But his descriptions of the creatures themselves, which were at variance with the common impression at that time, have been confirmed over and over again.

The only other information that has come to my attention which appears to have a bearing on the Ostman story was a comment by an old friend of mine that he had first heard of the sasquatch in the early 1930’s from a trapper at Toba Inlet who said he knew a young Swede who had been carried off by one.


The Bigfooters have a fairly tough time coming right out and saying that this story is a big lie. Did somebody just mention "the scoftic mindset"? :boggled:

[makaya325]

The Ostman story is not a hoax. Plain and simple. It was 85 years ago, and any attempt to prove it wrong is just a waste of time

[Cleon]

The Ostman story is not a hoax. Plain and simple.

And you know this because....?


It was 85 years ago, and any attempt to prove it wrong is just a waste of time

Unless there's no such critter out there. That would prove it wrong rather conclusively.

[GT/CS]

And you know this because....?



Unless there's no such critter out there. That would prove it wrong rather conclusively.

He's just trolling again.

[makaya325]

He's just trolling again.

Can you please shut your mouth? If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all.

[makaya325]

And you know this because....?

There is no concrete proof that it is a hoax, nor is there concrete proof that it is a real encounter, so, in other words, it is a useless anecdote

[William Parcher]

..people either forget or never really think much about the fact that Bigfoot has never been found in over 400 years on this continent..


That google told you? You can't know what information didn't make it to present day. That's the "bigfoot" out. Is it a long-standing hoax, or the most plausible cryptid? It is hard to fathom going this long without resolution, but the myth is set up for us to be on the edge of discovery. The concept is perfect, for what it is. Which is what I suspect intrigues you about BF, the phenomenon.


I'm not entirely sure what you are saying here. Long-standing hoax is one way to describe the BF phenomenon, but another way makes it less sinister or cruel sounding... long-standing folk tradition. When does folk tradition become something like fraud? Creating fake Bigfoot tracks and then declaring them, or having someone else declare them real, is an old tradition here in North America. Coloring hard-boiled eggs is also a tradition and these are declared to have come from a rabbit. But it seems odd to call the Easter Bunny a long-standing hoax. Like there must be a better word to use besides hoax.

[Cleon]

There is no concrete proof that it is a hoax, nor is there concrete proof that it is a real encounter, so, in other words, it is a useless anecdote

You need to make up your mind. You just definitively stated that it is not a hoax.

[GT/CS]

Can you please shut your mouth? If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all.

Can I or will I?

The point is moot either way because I don't open my mouth when I type.

[makaya325]

You need to make up your mind. You just definitively stated that it is not a hoax.

While it is unlikely to be the real deal, it is not likely a hoax. Mistaken? Yes.

[William Parcher]

THANK YOU. I've been making this point to true believers for years, but those same ridiculous examples keep turning up in their argumentation.


Just as an example, if the mountain gorilla were the equivalent of Bigfoot, the gorilla would still be unconfirmed to this day. The African natives would be talking about it and insisting it exists, but entirely unable to provide a body or body part for over 400 years and into the modern age. Guns, spears, traps, dogs, GPS, walkie-talkies, etc. AND STILL NO GORILLA DEAD OR ALIVE.

Can someone explain why Bigfooters use the mountain gorilla as an example for their benefit? Is it not true that the lowland gorilla was scientifically confirmed long before the mountain gorilla (1902)? If so, the so-called skepticism wasn't directed at the existence of a gorilla-type creature... it was only just skepticism that those things also lived up on a mountain. Is that what the footers are talking about? "Yes, we know about the gorilla and that is fine. But I'm no stupid fool to go and think that they would be up on the mountain too."

[Cleon]

While it is unlikely to be the real deal, it is not likely a hoax. Mistaken? Yes.

So within 30 minutes you've gone from "it's not a hoax," to "we don't know," to "it is not likely a hoax."

Either way, you have yet to provide any reasoning for your rapidly-changing assessment.

[William Parcher]

Type species, Troglodytes gorilla (Savage, 1847).

Gorilla genus (Geoffroy, 1852).

Gorilla beringei (Matschie, 1903).

Gorilla gorilla diehli (Matschie, 1904).

Gorilla beringei beringei (Matschie, 1914). The "mountain gorilla".

Gorilla beringei graueri (Matschie, 1914).

[desertgal]

Actually, I know quite a boatload of information on bigfootry.

Riiiight. :rolleyes:

[William Parcher]

Mistaken? Yes.


Yes, mistaken. The thing that grabbed Ostman and carried him for miles to its primitive lair was not a Bigfoot. It was some other huge hairy biped. It was a simple mistake and you can't fault the old guy.

:boggled::boggled:

[Drewbot]

http://www.gorilla100.com/30-Discovery.html

Note the lack of elusiveness, the lack of screaming at the intruders, and the fact that that others didn't carry away their dead before the humans could recover them.

From our campsite we were able to watch a herd of big, black monkeys which tried to climb the crest of the volcano. We succeeded in killing two of these animals, and with a rumbling noise they tumbled into a ravine, which had its opening in a north-easterly direction. After five hours of strenuous work we succeeded in retrieving one of these animals using a rope. It was a big, human-like male monkey of one and a half metres in height and a weight of more than 200 pounds. His chest had no hair, and his hand and feet were of enormous size. Unfortunately I was unable to determine its type; because of its size, it could not very well be a chimpanzee or a gorilla, and in any case the presence of gorillas had not been established in the area around the lakes

[EHocking]

http://www.gorillatrackinguganda.com/Uganda-Wildlife-Gorillas.aspxTHis is a tour group, repeating unattributed anecdote, the point being discussed was, Originally Posted by EHocking http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5294121#post5294121)
Try sticking to the subject and provide a scientific or historically verifiable cite that supports this crypto myth about the western discovery of the gorilla.For the Okapi
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/26614a76ec3f84da4.gif (javascript:void(0))
An Okapi is not a Gorilla. I take it then that you cannot provide scientific or valid historical evidence that this is nothing buy a Bigfoot Science(TM) Myth.

[makaya325]

Why did you ignore the Okapi though?

[makaya325]

Just as an example, if the mountain gorilla were the equivalent of Bigfoot, the gorilla would still be unconfirmed to this day. The African natives would be talking about it and insisting it exists, but entirely unable to provide a body or body part for over 400 years and into the modern age. Guns, spears, traps, dogs, GPS, walkie-talkies, etc. AND STILL NO GORILLA DEAD OR ALIVE.

Can someone explain why Bigfooters use the mountain gorilla as an example for their benefit? Is it not true that the lowland gorilla was scientifically confirmed long before the mountain gorilla (1902)? If so, the so-called skepticism wasn't directed at the existence of a gorilla-type creature... it was only just skepticism that those things also lived up on a mountain. Is that what the footers are talking about? "Yes, we know about the gorilla and that is fine. But I'm no stupid fool to go and think that they would be up on the mountain too."

The Lowland gorilla would represent humans, and the Mountain gorilla would represent sasquatch

[William Parcher]

The Lowland gorilla would represent humans, and the Mountain gorilla would represent sasquatch


Complete nonsense again.

Bullet ---> Scientific Confirmation

We succeeded in killing two of these animals, and with a rumbling noise they tumbled into a ravine, which had its opening in a north-easterly direction.

Bigfoot does not exist.

[makaya325]

Bigfoot does not exist. I think Bigfoot does not exist.
Edited to make "post fix" clear. Please be sure to make it quite clear when you edit within the quote boxes.

Fixed it for ya ;)

[Ravenwood]

Nevada has large, remote forests, Gomer. What part of Tahoe. National. Forest. and the. Sierra. range. did you not understand?

A higher ratio of Bigfoot sightings also aren't limited to forests. Texas has a higher ratio of sightings than Nevada, and it is mostly desert.

Please. Spare us all your trolling observations on subjects that you know nothing about.

The Largest National Forest is Tongass National Forest in Alaska, it makes up a good portion of southwest Alaska. According to the BFF, there have been a whole 20 reported sightings in ALL of Alaska, none of which seem to occur in the Tongass Forest.

[makaya325]

The Largest National Forest is Tongass National Forest in Alaska, it makes up a good portion of southwest Alaska. According to the BFF, there have been a whole 20 reported sightings in ALL of Alaska, none of which seem to occur in the Tongass Forest.

Yet how many people live in Alaska? It is considered America's last frontier

[desertgal]

The Largest National Forest is Tongass National Forest in Alaska, it makes up a good portion of southwest Alaska. According to the BFF, there have been a whole 20 reported sightings in ALL of Alaska, none of which seem to occur in the Tongass Forest.

The power of suggestion is an interesting point when it comes to 'seeing' Bigfoot, hmm? ;)

[makaya325]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska

As of 2009, Alaska remains the least densely populated state of the U.S.

Source : http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US02&-ds_name=PEP_2007_EST&-mt_name=PEP_2007_EST_G2007_T001

[EHocking]

Why did you ignore the Okapi though?Because you are being asked to provide cites that supports the Bigfoot Science(TM) Myth about Mountain Gorillas that you persist on repeating as fact. Your attempt to change the subject is merely avoidance.

[desertgal]

Yet how many people live in Alaska? It is considered America's last frontier

You're missing the point, as usual, troll. :rolleyes:

[makaya325]

Because you are being asked to provide cites that supports the Bigfoot Science(TM) Myth about Mountain Gorillas that you persist on repeating as fact. Your attempt to change the subject is merely avoidance.

But what do you think of the Okapi being a myth?

[makaya325]

You're missing the point, as usual, troll. :rolleyes:

No I am not. Less people exploring means less bigfoot sightings.

http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/5704d/4f9/

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/alaska.html

[GT/CS]

No I am not. Less people exploring means less bigfoot sightings.

You missed the point. Go back, read it again, and see if you grasp it this time.

[EHocking]

But what do you think of the Okapi being a myth?That it's a diversion tactic by someone who cannot answer the question.

The discussion is about you providing scientific or historic cites for your repeated claims about Mountain Gorillas - or accept that it is a myth perpetrated by crypto-types.

[desertgal]

No I am not. Less people exploring means less bigfoot sightings.

http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/5704d/4f9/

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/alaska.html

You are missing the point as usual, troll. :rolleyes:

[makaya325]

That it's a diversion tactic by someone who cannot answer the question.

The discussion is about you providing scientific or historic cites for your repeated claims about Mountain Gorillas - or accept that it is a myth perpetrated by crypto-types.

The Mountain Gorilla myth is likely made up, but the Okapi Myth is very real

[Drewbot]

What part of the Okapi's discovery by Europeans relates to Bigfoot?

OKAPI STORY:
1. Legends of a Rainforest Zebra from ancient Egypt
2. Stories from natives of a Rainforest Zebra
3. An Explorer asks about the RF Zebra
4. Natives show him the RF Zebra
5. Explorer finds skull and skin of RF Zebra
6. Beast is identified as a Giraffe relative
7. Specimen are caught for zoos all over the world

Bigfoot:
1. Legends of Wildmen through out history in forested areas
2. Legends of Wild things in NA history interpreted by Bigfooters as Bigfoot
3. Explorer asks about Bigfoot
4. Native Americans tell him about more legends
5. Explorer cites these as evidence of Bigfoot.
6. Bigfootry pats explorer on back

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE DIFFERENCE ?

[EHocking]

The Mountain Gorilla myth is likely made up,Then why do you keep repeating it as fact?... but the Okapi Myth is very realWhat that the local Africans called it an unicorn and some Westerners discovered that it wasn't?
Relevance?

[makaya325]

Then why do you keep repeating it as fact?What that the local Africans called it an unicorn and some Westerners discovered that it wasn't?
Relevance?

The Okapi was dismissed as a myth by westerners, until one was found after a long search

[makaya325]

Bigfoot:
1. Legends of Wildmen through out history in forested areas
2. Legends of Wild things in NA history interpreted by Bigfooters as Bigfoot
3. Explorer asks about Bigfoot
4. Native Americans tell him about more legends
5. Explorer cites these as evidence of Bigfoot.
6. Bigfootry pats explorer on back

Most Natives would tell you that Bigfoot is very real, as real as the killer whale, which has super powers

[GT/CS]

The Mountain Gorilla myth is likely made up, but the Okapi Myth is very real

When you say made up and real are you talking about the animal or the myth?

[makaya325]

When you say made up and real are you talking about the animal or the myth?

The animal was real, and so was the Myth for the Okapi

[GT/CS]

Most Natives would tell you that Bigfoot is very real, as real as the killer whale, which has super powers

That's interesting how you added the killer whale's super powers into the thread. It's the type of thing trolls do on forums.

[GT/CS]

The animal was real, and so was the Myth for the Okapi

You said the myths were either made up or real.

[EHocking]

The Okapi was dismissed as a myth by westerners, until one was found after a long searchThis is getting monotonous.

Cite?

I think you'll find that it was not "dismissed as a myth" but was known to the Westerners as a local myth. Quite a distinction.

[hokie]

Sounds to me like the okapi was found relatively quickly.

[William Parcher]

So very credible people, such as Longtabber, are pretending to see bigfoot?


If you Google Longtabber PE, you will find this. (http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies575.htm)

Pretending to have seen Bigfoot? Sure, I don't see why not.

[desertgal]

Most Natives would tell you that Bigfoot is very real, as real as the killer whale, which has super powers

Wrong. I'm Native American, and I'll tell you that Bigfoot is a myth based on folklore that has no proven basis in reality. As would my family members, our Native friends, and our tribal elders.

It's because we live in the real world. Not under a bridge. :D

ETA: Please don't continue to misrepresent what "most" Native Americans believe.

[William Parcher]

Bigfoot is a myth, legend, tradition, etc.

Making up a story that you saw one, or hoaxing evidence, isn't the wrong thing to do. It's the right thing to do. Isn't that what myths, legends and traditions are all about?

[GT/CS]

Not to derail this thread, but does anyone know how Biscardi originally wormed his way into the bigfoot world?

[Careyp74]

Freakin A...... My first AAH ribbon was won in a battle against Longtabber. That was also the cause of the thread started and closed about forum rules. Basically, anyone can get away with anything by just making up stuff, as long as they are civil. Keep up the good work, guys.

[Careyp74]

Not to derail this thread, but does anyone know how Biscardi originally wormed his way into the bigfoot world?

http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/Tom_Biscardi

Does this explain it?

[William Parcher]

Vintage Biscardi here (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/saga1973.htm).


"And we're going find him," says stocky, black-haired Tom Biscardi, grimacing as he rubbed his still-swollen ankles. We are back in his luxurious San Jose, Calif., apartment, waiting for the latest word on any sightings from Ivan Marx and the other six members of the Alaskan expedition. "I'm the drum beater," Biscardi says. "Hell, somebody's got to do it. I've sunk so much money in this thing now--so has Gene -- that I have bad dreams at night. There's this huge bill collector dressed up in a Bigfoot suit..."

[makaya325]

Wrong. I'm Native American, and I'll tell you that Bigfoot is a myth based on folklore that has no proven basis in reality. As would my family members, our Native friends, and our tribal elders.

It's because we live in the real world. Not under a bridge. :D

ETA: Please don't continue to misrepresent what "most" Native Americans believe.

Some Natives think otherwise

[makaya325]

What about the LT link? It says nothing about his bigfoot experience

[makaya325]

Bigfoot is a myth, legend, tradition, etc.

Making up a story that you saw one, or hoaxing evidence, isn't the wrong thing to do. It's the right thing to do. Isn't that what myths, legends and traditions are all about?

No, that is trying to dupe and scam people. People who do that should have a consequence

[desertgal]

Some Natives think otherwise

"Some" is not "most".

No, that is trying to dupe and scam people. People who do that should have a consequence

The irony, it burns.

[makaya325]

Sounds to me like the okapi was found relatively quickly.

How long?

[tsig]

Actually, I know quite a boatload of information on bigfootry.

Unfortunately it seems as though your boat is a garbage scow*.


*points for first to get reference

[Apology]

If this guy Biscardi has a Bigfoot hand in a jar, why doesn't he turn it over for DNA analysis? Seems like he could solve this whole debate really quickly. Heck, they could just snip a little tissue off the wrist and he could keep the rest of the hand, so it's not like he'd even lose anything!

As a matter of fact, I think he should explain where he got the hand, and prove that it isn't human, just to rule out foul play...

[hokie]

How long?

A small fraction of the time people have been looking for bigfoot.

[makaya325]

A small fraction of the time people have been looking for bigfoot.

People have been looking for bigfoot for quite a while, but not seriously and thoroughly.

[GT/CS]

People have been looking for bigfoot for quite a while, but not seriously and thoroughly.

Well, maybe you'd like to explain that to Tom Biscardi!!!!!

[makaya325]

Well, maybe you'd like to explain that to Tom Biscardi!!!!!

Why do you take the word of Biscardi, who is a fraud, to support your notion that people look for bigfoot every second?

[WGBH]

If this guy Biscardi has a Bigfoot hand in a jar, why doesn't he turn it over for DNA analysis? Seems like he could solve this whole debate really quickly. Heck, they could just snip a little tissue off the wrist and he could keep the rest of the hand, so it's not like he'd even lose anything!

As a matter of fact, I think he should explain where he got the hand, and prove that it isn't human, just to rule out foul play...

Because it is a bear paw and he is a hoaxer.

[GT/CS]

Why do you take the word of Biscardi, who is a fraud, to support your notion that people look for bigfoot every second?

Does anyone know where I can get a picture of Jeff Dunham's Peanut doing the move that made him famous? If you know the one I'm talking about.

[shandyjan]

Why do you take the word of Biscardi, who is a fraud, to support your notion that people look for bigfoot every second?

Strawman. And I havnt seen GT take the word of Tom biscardi so far, are we reading the same thread? Are you just in a bad mood this week and spoiling for a fight?

[The Shrike]

People have been looking for bigfoot for quite a while, but not seriously and thoroughly.

How many unsuccessful okapi expeditions were there prior to the species' discovery by westerners?

This is why comparisons between the search for bigfoot and the relatively recent descriptions of other large mammals are invalid. In every other case (gorilla, okapi, etc.), the species was found and described once we got into their remote habitats and started looking for them.

This is simply not true for bigfoot. Not only have "western" prospectors, surveyors, soldiers, trappers, foresters, etc. - each group with the ability to have bagged one and saved at least a piece - been active within the reported range of these things for centuries with no evidence forthcoming, people actively and purposely looking for them have come up short as well. Consider folks like Krantz, Green, Bindernagel, Fahrenbach, Byrne, Meldrum, and yes, the Biscardis and Moneymakers too. How many collective years of searching has even just this short list of researchers invested in this fairy tale?

[justcharlie09]

On the topic of Bigfoot, I recently read Fragile Things by Neil Gaiman in it he mentions this origin of the word "Yeti"

"...And on the subject of naming animals, can I just say how happy I was to discover that the word yeti, literally translated, apparently means "that thing over there." ("Quick, brave Himalayan Guide--what's that thing over there?"..."yeti"..."I see.")

I love Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett.

I can't believe there are actually people in the world that call themselves cryptozoologists. But, hey, everyone has to have a hobby I guess. At least it gets them out in the fresh air. :D

[Audible Click]

If you Google Longtabber PE, you will find this. (http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies575.htm)

Pretending to have seen Bigfoot? Sure, I don't see why not.

I'm going to beat this dead horse one more time. Makaya, what you see above is the value of research. In another bigfoot thread you were mentioning LT and several of us suggested you do some research relative to him but you didn't. Research is your friend especially when discussing the many aspects of Bigfoot and the people involved.

[makaya325]

How many unsuccessful okapi expeditions were there prior to the species' discovery by westerners?

This is why comparisons between the search for bigfoot and the relatively recent descriptions of other large mammals are invalid. In every other case (gorilla, okapi, etc.), the species was found and described once we got into their remote habitats and started looking for them.

This is simply not true for bigfoot. Not only have "western" prospectors, surveyors, soldiers, trappers, foresters, etc. - each group with the ability to have bagged one and saved at least a piece - been active within the reported range of these things for centuries with no evidence forthcoming, people actively and purposely looking for them have come up short as well. Consider folks like Krantz, Green, Bindernagel, Fahrenbach, Byrne, Meldrum, and yes, the Biscardis and Moneymakers too. How many collective years of searching has even just this short list of researchers invested in this fairy tale?

Name me five BIG, serious, fully-funded bigfoot expeditions.

[makaya325]

I'm going to beat this dead horse one more time. Makaya, what you see above is the value of research. In another bigfoot thread you were mentioning LT and several of us suggested you do some research relative to him but you didn't. Research is your friend especially when discussing the many aspects of Bigfoot and the people involved.

I did find LT's name on Bullshido, discussed by Joey Donuts

[William Parcher]

Name me five BIG, serious, fully-funded bigfoot expeditions.


Do you really think people are that stupid?

[makaya325]

Do you really think people are that stupid?

According to your word, yes. Now show me them, or admit that you lied about people seriously looking for bigfoot

[William Parcher]

admit that you lied about people seriously looking for bigfoot


What the hell are you talking about?

[Skeptical Greg]

Name me five BIG, serious, fully-funded bigfoot expeditions.Name me one, fully -funded entity, who thinks searching for Bigfoot is a worthwhile endeavor ...

( ... and don't say ' Monsterquest ' ... hint: they are not searching for Bigfoot ... )

[Audible Click]

I did find LT's name on Bullshido, discussed by Joey Donuts

If you had read carefully you would have found one more bit of info that would have led you to a final bit of evidence. It's not just research that counts, it's thorough research. OK enough said, by me, anyway.

[GT/CS]

Name me five BIG, serious, fully-funded bigfoot expeditions.

First we need to define, 'fully funded'. What do you mean by that?

[The Shrike]

First we need to define, 'fully funded'. What do you mean by that?

No, first we can just ask "why?" Is he implying that it takes at least 5, big, fully-funded, blah blah blah to find a "cryptid?" It didn't take 5 such expeditions to find gorillas and okapis. Heck, we found coelocanths without even looking for them.

[GT/CS]

No, first we can just ask "why?" Is he implying that it takes at least 5, big, fully-funded, blah blah blah to find a "cryptid?" It didn't take 5 such expeditions to find gorillas and okapis. Heck, we found coelocanths without even looking for them.

But this is Mak so first he needs to define his ambiguous words.

[desertgal]

But this is Mak so first he needs to define his ambiguous words.

Oh, let's just simply figure that Mak, as always, offered a statement that he can't back up, and wants to deflect that by trying to turn the tables. It's just easier.

Once a troll, always a troll.

[William Parcher]

Those yet-to-happen, mega-thorough, and big money searches deep into the PNW are going to turn up more than Bigfoot. That's where the remnant herds of Mastodons are located.

[desertgal]

Those yet-to-happen, mega-thorough, and big money searches deep into the PNW are going to turn up more than Bigfoot. That's where the remnant herds of Mastodons are located.

Maybe they'll also find D.W. Cooper, and get a return on their money. :D

[makaya325]

No, first we can just ask "why?" Is he implying that it takes at least 5, big, fully-funded, blah blah blah to find a "cryptid?" It didn't take 5 such expeditions to find gorillas and okapis. Heck, we found coelocanths without even looking for them.

None of them took a short time to find though. They did require patience

[makaya325]

Name me one, fully -funded entity, who thinks searching for Bigfoot is a worthwhile endeavor ...

( ... and don't say ' Monsterquest ' ... hint: they are not searching for Bigfoot ... )

Wally Hermson, who has yet to supply those Texas Rangers with Thermal cameras

[William Parcher]

The Dire wolf and the short-faced bear still living in places where people don't go very much. If you think that is wrong, you had better mount numerous huge expeditions to prove it, buddy.

[hokie]

There are lots of people looking for bigfoot. There was a recent trip to Dolly Sods checking out a report. There are many people in the backwoods besides bigfoot fanatics. Despite the number of people out still no confirmation of bigfoot.

[makaya325]

There are lots of people looking for bigfoot. There was a recent trip to Dolly Sods checking out a report. There are many people in the backwoods besides bigfoot fanatics. Despite the number of people out still no confirmation of bigfoot.

That is a rash generalization. Check out a report could mean spending 5 minutes looking at the landscape of the area and saying "pack it up, boys, nothing to see here".

[makaya325]

The Dire wolf and the short-faced bear still living in places where people don't go very much. If you think that is wrong, you had better mount numerous huge expeditions to prove it, buddy.

The Short-Faced Bear Lives in one, if not the most, unexplored Country in the world Russia, which could EASILY hide any kind of animal.

[The Shrike]

Wrong. I am actually correct on the fact that Nobody or organization is spending a considerable amount of time looking for bigfoot, day in and day out, out there 24/7.

You're suggesting that this level of effort was necessary to "discover" gorillas and okapis?

Look, if you're going to be this far detached from reality, then it isn't going to be much fun trading barbs with you about this. My barbs have sharp points while yours seem to be made of raw pizza dough.

[makaya325]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/film-b-rhino/

[makaya325]

You're suggesting that this level of effort was necessary to "discover" gorillas and okapis?

Look, if you're going to be this far detached from reality, then it isn't going to be much fun trading barbs with you about this. My barbs have sharp points while yours seem to be made of raw pizza dough.

No, but I am saying that it did not take a short time to find either one.

[Skeptical Greg]

Wrong. I am actually correct on the fact that Nobody or organization is spending a considerable amount of time looking for bigfoot, day in and day out, out there 24/7.
Yes, you are correct..

Why do you think no organization with the resources is spending a considerable amount of time looking for unicorns, T-Rex, mastodons, Nessy, or Bigfoot, day in and day out, out there 24/7?

[GT/CS]

Mak, please try to keep up.

What is your definition of fully funded?

[hokie]

That is a rash generalization. Check out a report could mean spending 5 minutes looking at the landscape of the area and saying "pack it up, boys, nothing to see here".
Did you look into what they did? Of course, not. If you had checked you would make such foolish looking statements.

[hokie]

Wrong. I am actually correct on the fact that Nobody or organization is spending a considerable amount of time looking for bigfoot, day in and day out, out there 24/7.
Hardly matters that the intent is to look for bigfoot. There are still many people out there and still no confirmation of bigfoot.

[hokie]

Maka's questions have been covered.

I was wondering if anyone had thought about the original claim in the PA video of hearing something in the woods. The still from the video looks like a tree trunk. But what about the sound. I suspect a bird. It has to be loud. What about an owl?

[makaya325]

Yes, you are correct..

Why do you think no organization with the resources is spending a considerable amount of time looking for unicorns, T-Rex, mastodons, Nessy, or Bigfoot, day in and day out, out there 24/7?

Because, at least Bigfoot is more plausible than Nessy and Unicorns.

[wicked_ways]

Because, at least Bigfoot is more plausible than Nessy and Unicorns.

how is bigfoot more plausible than nessy or unicorns?

[makaya325]

how is bigfoot more plausible than nessy or unicorns?

Do Unicorns leave tracks? poop? Hairs?

[shandyjan]

Maka's questions have been covered.

I was wondering if anyone had thought about the original claim in the PA video of hearing something in the woods. The still from the video looks like a tree trunk. But what about the sound. I suspect a bird. It has to be loud. What about an owl?

It seems the video is being kept under wraps.
Time to edit/clean up/ add to it?
Seems like youve all been here before :)

[desertgal]

Because, at least Bigfoot is more plausible than Nessy and Unicorns.

Wait...didn't you once claim to have seen Ogo Pogo? If lake monsters are less plausible than Bigfoot, it's interesting that you managed to see one.

Do Unicorns leave tracks? poop? Hairs?

And it has been proven that Bigfoot does...where? Let's see that conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt evidence, Gomer.

[makaya325]

http://web.ncf.ca/bz050/HomePage.bfna.html

But, special being as he is, I have never heard anyone from a Northwestern tribe suggest that Bigfoot is anything other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans and other animals. He eats, he sleeps, he poops, he cares for his family members.

[shandyjan]

There are lots of people looking for bigfoot. There was a recent trip to Dolly Sods checking out a report. There are many people in the backwoods besides bigfoot fanatics. Despite the number of people out still no confirmation of bigfoot.

Just a check of the research organisaions shows 40 trips a year increasing to 100 in one organisation, another site had many game cams positioned taking 1000's of pictures. That was on a quick search. I think probably many more than looks for any other creature.
And as you say, still no confirmation.

Makaya, from your link....
"However, among many Indians elsewhere in North America... as widely separated at the Hopi, the Sioux, the Iroquois, and the Northern Athabascan -- Bigfoot is seen more as a sort of supernatural or spirit being, whose appearance to humans is always meant to convey some kind of message.""
So if the Hopi think it is spiritual rather than physical, why do you use the hopi as proof that it is real?

[makaya325]

Wait...didn't you once claim to have seen Ogo Pogo? If lake monsters are less plausible than Bigfoot, it's interesting that you managed to see one.



And it has been proven that Bigfoot does...where? Let's see that conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt evidence, Gomer.

Look it up. Whether the tracks belong to bigfoot, I do not know, but it is connected to bigfoot. Why no modern reports of Unicorns by the dozen?

[makaya325]

Just a check of the research organisaions shows 40 trips a year increasing to 100 in one organisation, another site had many game cams positioned taking 1000's of pictures. That was on a quick search. I think probably many more than looks for any other creature.
And as you say, still no confirmation.

Yet many have gathered soft evidence, nothing solid, so what?

[desertgal]

Look it up. Whether the tracks belong to bigfoot, I do not know, but it is connected to bigfoot. <snip>

And the tracks have been proven to be connected to Bigfoot...where? Let's see that conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt evidence, Gomer.

[makaya325]

And the tracks have been proven to be connected to Bigfoot...where? Let's see that conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt evidence, Gomer.

People say that it is connected to bigfoot, Heck, why do you think they call him Bigfoot, Johnny box-a-rocks?

[GT/CS]

People say that it is connected to bigfoot, Heck, why do you think they call him Bigfoot, Johnny box-a-rocks?

Who is "people"?

What does "fully funded" mean?

[desertgal]

People say that it is connected to bigfoot, Heck, why do you think they call him Bigfoot, Johnny box-a-rocks?

"People say"? That's your proof?

And these anecdotes have been proven to be true...where? Let's see that conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt evidence, Gomer.

[hokie]

The Dolly Sods trip did actual work. They collected tracks and scat and verified that they were bear and coyote.

Despite the claims we have no hair, scat, or tracks from bigfoot.

[makaya325]

Henner has some weird hairs that MAY be bigfoot

[Alareth]

Yet how many people live in Alaska? It is considered America's last frontier

America's last frontier is the educational system.

[desertgal]

Henner has some weird hairs that MAY be bigfoot


"May be bigfoot" isn't proof. Why don't you get back to us when you have some real evidence.

[hokie]

Like I said.
Despite the claims we have no hair, scat, or tracks from bigfoot.

[makaya325]

America's last frontier is the educational system.

last unexplored frontier :D

[RayG]

Can someone explain why Bigfooters use the mountain gorilla as an example for their benefit?

The same reason they use the giant squid... because it sounds so dramatic. :D

RayG

[Darat]

Since this thread is another "Bigfoot" thread that has yet again devolved into nothing but personal attacks I am closing it. I would suggest that all participants read the warning that I have just issued, see: http://forums.randi.org/announcement.php?f=7



The Mod Team has been spending a disproportionate amount of time cleaning up threads that discuss the existence of the creature called Bigfoot. This is because of the numerous, egregious, and repeated breaches of the Membership Agreement that this topic seems to generate.

We've tried all the usual tools at our disposal, from PMs and even suspensions and it seems to have made very little impact on many of the participants in these threads.

Therefore we are issuing a general warning for Members participating in these threads that we will no longer be giving any "benefit of the doubt" when deciding whether to take moderation action or not. If you breach your Membership Agreement and it results in a "punitive mod action" (e.g. any kind of warning, edit or move for a breach of your Membership Agreement) you will simply be suspended with no further warning, for a minimum of three days. As always, multiple suspensions in a short period may result in your permanent banning from the Forum.

We want this Forum to be a place were people can discuss "Bigfoot" in a friendly and lively manner and we will not allow a small subset of Members to repeatedly breach their Membership Agreement in such a way that makes friendly and lively discussion impossible.

Thank you
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