Idiot Carrie Prejean Has Hissy Fit On LKL

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This is funny!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/11/11/lkl.prejean.upset.cnn

[Lanzy]

Not too funny.

[Starthinker]

She was asked questions that prior to the interview she was told she wouldn't be asked. Others have walked out on shows for that. I probably would. She was also told there would be no callers and Larry went right to the phones after he asked the questions he said he wouldn't ask.

[RandFan]

She wrote a book folks. At least that's what we are supposed to believe.

Whatever happened to the likes of William F. Buckley? Are all conservative icons going to forever be attractive on the outside and idiot on the inside?

[RandFan]

She was asked questions that prior to the interview she was told she wouldn't be asked. Others have walked out on shows for that. I probably would. She was also told there would be no callers and Larry went right to the phones after he asked the questions he said he wouldn't ask.If this is true then I would have also walked. Where is the proof that this is true? Reminds me of Billy Bob's tantrum when he made similar claims that turned out not to be true.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

She wrote a book folks. At least that's what we are supposed to believe.

Whatever happened to the likes of William F. Buckley? Are all conservative icons going to forever be attractive on the outside and idiot on the inside?

George Will is still around, but it seems that most leading "conservative" spokespeople are idiots.

Same would be true for the liberal side.

[Starthinker]

If this is true then I would have also walked. Where is the proof that this is true? Reminds me of Billy Bob's tantrum when he made similar claims that turned out not to be true.

It's what all the other news agencies are reporting. Don't see any reason not to believe it as she doesn't make the move to walk off until after he goes to the caller. Wish I could read those lucious lips when she turns to whoever's offstage. Looks to me like she put up with the questions then the caller was the last straw. I guess he also apologized and she came back.

[CptColumbo]

It's what all the other news agencies are reporting.
Link?

Are they reporting that it was agreed (between her people and Larry King's people) there would be no callers or that Prejean claims that there was not supposed to be calllers?

[RandFan]

It's what all the other news agencies are reporting. You've got me there. Solid scientific proof is what that is.

[Darth Rotor]

She wrote a book folks. At least that's what we are supposed to believe.
Partway through her scheduled softball interview -- oops, sorry, someone brought a few hardballs -- she held up the book and flashed the cover to the camera as she grinned while Larry was talking.

@ Starthinker: interesting insight. Thanks.

Since I stopped watching Larry King a while back, this reminds me of why. What non issues. I was hoping the gay guy who called was going to ask her about her movie making career ... oh well, that would have been funny, but Larry's call screening regimen apparently filters out funny.

DR

[Darat]

Please remember that this is a publicly accessible section of the Forum.

[Darth Rotor]

Please remember that this is a publicly accessible section of the Forum.

?????? Hope it wasn't me that got you worried.

[RandFan]

?????? Hope it wasn't me that got you worried.No, the offending posts were moved to AAH. It was me... in part.

[SumDood]

No, the offending posts were moved to AAH. It was me... in part.

I thought it was me with my extremely off color palin joke.

How can anyone hear Sara Palin in an interview and say she is intelligent?

[RandFan]

I thought it was me with my extremely off color palin joke.Yes, it WAS you, in part.

[Starthinker]

You've got me there. Solid scientific proof is what that is.

Shall I call Carrie herself and ask her? News reporting is all we have to go on at this point. CNN reported this, the very network it happened on, so why all the doubt? Besides, this isn't science, it's gossip, huge difference.

[CptColumbo]

Shall I call Carrie herself and ask her? News reporting is all we have to go on at this point. CNN reported this, the very network it happened on, so why all the doubt? Besides, this isn't science, it's gossip, huge difference.

I'm at work and cannot watch the video in the OP. So I have to ask again:

Link?

Are they reporting that it was agreed (between her people and Larry King's people) there would be no callers or that Prejean claims that there was not supposed to be calllers?

[Starthinker]

I'm at work and cannot watch the video in the OP. So I have to ask again:

As I saw this on television I don't have a link.

ETA: I'm only repeating what I saw on CNN, HLN, and the local channels today. I always flip around in the morning as the same stories seem to pop up on all the networks. If they are wrong, so be it, I'm only passing on what the explanation was as it was given. I'm sure it will be a "he said" "she said" ad infinitum. The point is, it's a news story, it seems like if I asked Carrie or King themselves you wouldn't believe me, how do you get scientific proof of someone's version of a story? Reporting is all we can go on.

[CptColumbo]

As I saw this on television I don't have a link.

ETA: I'm only repeating what I saw on CNN, HLN, and the local channels today. I always flip around in the morning as the same stories seem to pop up on all the networks. If they are wrong, so be it, I'm only passing on what the explanation was as it was given. I'm sure it will be a "he said" "she said" ad infinitum. The point is, it's a news story, it seems like if I asked Carrie or King themselves you wouldn't believe me, how do you get scientific proof of someone's version of a story? Reporting is all we can go on.If there was a contract signed, then you can establish who is telling the truth.

[Starthinker]

If there was a contract signed, then you can establish who is telling the truth.

Again, just repeating what I saw on the news this morning, unfortunately I don't have access to contracts from CNN. I'm glad this isn't a story I care much about. All I did was give the explanation as I heard it on the news this morning, as a way to give the other side of the story. I don't think, based on what I heard, that she was out of line to walk out. That's all I'm saying. I don't really care enough to drive to Atlanta and ask to see contracts and I wonder why other people care so much as that's the level of proof they require.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

How can anyone hear Sara Palin in an interview and say she is intelligent?

That's the topic for another thread!

But to answer it here, I have no idea how it is possible.

[tyr_13]

Wow, Prejean said some outrageously stupid things even to the soft questions.

EDIT: "Who are you talking to?" Hahaha

[Jungle Jim]

If there was a contract signed, then you can establish who is telling the truth.

This article in the LA Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/11/carrie-prejean-accuses-larry-king-of-being-inapproprate-and-then-fails-to-walk-off-his-set.html) clarifies the incident.

[XBoxWarrior]

Funny how it was just last week that Tancredo did the same thing (on MSNBC), except he wasn't selling a book, so he actually walked off. Why don't these types just sell their schtick on Faux "News"...that's their demographic.

I'd give miss kiddy porn more respect if she just got up and ran, but her manager was 'coaching' her to stay, and mention the damn book again.

We'll probably never even get to see the porn because she was underage...damn.

[Starthinker]

This article in the LA Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/11/carrie-prejean-accuses-larry-king-of-being-inapproprate-and-then-fails-to-walk-off-his-set.html) clarifies the incident.

Is that scientific proof? After all, we just have the publicist's word as reported in a newspaper. For some that's not enough proof. [/sarcasm]

[CptColumbo]

This article in the LA Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/11/carrie-prejean-accuses-larry-king-of-being-inapproprate-and-then-fails-to-walk-off-his-set.html) clarifies the incident.Thank you. That's what I needed to know.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Funny how it was just last week that Tancredo did the same thing (on MSNBC), except he wasn't selling a book, so he actually walked off. Why don't these types just sell their schtick on Faux "News"...that's their demographic.

I'd give miss kiddy porn more respect if she just got up and ran, but her manager was 'coaching' her to stay, and mention the damn book again.

We'll probably never even get to see the porn because she was underage...damn.

17 isn't underage in Missouri!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I love how the headline says that she failed to walk off the set.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Is that scientific proof? After all, we just have the publicist's word as reported in a newspaper. For some that's not enough proof. [/sarcasm]

I'm going to need to see the contract.

[tyr_13]

"You're going on Larry King, but don't worry, he won't ask any hard questions."

And she believed it. Yeah, she's real smart. S-M-R-T smart.

Larry only doesn't ask tough questions if you're on to promote psychics or some other such woo. Political woo doesn't get the same pass.

[Starthinker]

I'm going to need to see the contract.

Have we established that there even is a contract? When I went on the Today Show I didn't sign any contract.

[RandFan]

...so why all the doubt? Let's label it skepticism. I've seen the news get it wrong to damn often to simply accept everything reported. If LK or his producers acknowledge that Larry acted counter to an agreement then I would accept that.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Have we established that there even is a contract? When I went on the Today Show I didn't sign any contract.

I'm going to need proof that you were on the Today show

[RandFan]

Is that scientific proof? After all, we just have the publicist's word as reported in a newspaper. For some that's not enough proof.Immediately following the Billy Bob Thornton fiasco it was reported that there was an agreement that Billy Bob not be asked those questions. Latter it was found out that the initial reports were wrong.

Yes, we've every right to be skeptical of the media as they get it wrong so often. And it's not outside the realm of possibility that King would say his producers made an agreement to keep Prejean there when they didn't. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a publicist would lie to help a client. I'm not saying that is what happened I'm saying we have reason to be skeptical.

Your sarcasm is simply not warranted.

[godless dave]

She wrote a book folks. At least that's what we are supposed to believe.

Whatever happened to the likes of William F. Buckley?

They're now moderate Democrats. Their politics haven't changed, the parties have. William F. Buckley would be reviled by today's Republicans. Eisenhower would be a socialist by their standards.

[Starthinker]

Immediately following the Billy Bob Thornton fiasco it was reported that there was an agreement that Billy Bob not be asked those questions. Latter it was found out that the initial reports were wrong.

Yes, we've every right to be skeptical of the media as they get it wrong so often. And it's not outside the realm of possibility that King would say his producers made an agreement to keep Prejean there when they didn't. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a publicist would lie to help a client. I'm not saying that is what happened I'm saying we have reason to be skeptical.

Your sarcasm is simply not warranted.

From my point of view the continued skepticism is simply not warranted. If any of the reports differed I can see some skepticism but all the reports I saw, even the ones on CNN, and in the newpaper link, all agreed. I'm simply not seeing a conflicting story to even be skeptical about.

[wolfgirl]

What I don't get is why anyone ever makes agreements NOT to ask certain questions or breach certain topics. "This is a news show. You want to hype your book/movie/agenda, then you will answer whatever you get asked. Can't take it? Then stay home and sell your book on eBay."

Or at the very least, it should be stated clearly up-front to the audience that the person being interviewed has declined to answer questions on Topic A. Why do they get to hide from questions they don't like?

[bokonon]

Wish I could read those lucious lips when she turns to whoever's offstage.
I can read lips pretty well. When she turns to her right, I think she's saying
"We're going to have to leave."
and when she turns back to the camera, I think she's saying
"I'm going to have to leave."

[cisco]

We'll probably never even get to see the porn because she was underage...damn.

17 isn't underage in Missouri!
Latest reports are that she lied about being 17 in attempt to get the video buried. She was actually 20. I love how this girl is supposedly preaching values and morals and her complete lack of morals and values keeps unravelling in front of the country. What a dark-hearted horse's ass she is. Carrie Prejean represents so much that is wrong with this country.

But what Og didn't give her in brains and compassion, he made up for in looks! I hope the tape gets out :D.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

From my point of view the continued skepticism is simply not warranted. If any of the reports differed I can see some skepticism but all the reports I saw, even the ones on CNN, and in the newpaper link, all agreed. I'm simply not seeing a conflicting story to even be skeptical about.

I would hazard to guess that all the reports match because they all used the same source - the publicist.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Latest reports are that she lied about being 17 in attempt to get the video buried. She was actually 20. I love how this girl is supposedly preaching values and morals and her complete lack of morals and values keeps unravelling in front of the country. What a dark-hearted horse's ass she is. Carrie Prejean represents so much that is wrong with this country.


Maybe that was before she found Baby Jeebus and all was forgiven.

[RandFan]

From my point of view the continued skepticism is simply not warranted. If any of the reports differed I can see some skepticism but all the reports I saw, even the ones on CNN, and in the newpaper link, all agreed. I'm simply not seeing a conflicting story to even be skeptical about.Then you are simply ignorant of history. In many instances the truth of any given incident didn't come out until days afterward. I give you Duke Lacrosse Rape case as prime evidence and I would add the myriad heaps of BS that was OJ Simpson. There are likely hundreds if not thousands of examples. Your POV not withstanding.

[RandFan]

I would hazard to guess that all the reports match because they all used the same source - the publicist.Thank you.

BTW: I'm not advancing any position than simply one of skepticism.

[dudalb]

So we really don't know what happened.
As much as I dislike Prejean, if she was promised that certain questions would not be asked ,and then they were, she was justified to be a little angry. I don't like "ambush" journalism.

[RandFan]

So we really don't know what happened.
As much as I dislike Prejean, if she was promised that certain questions would not be asked ,and then they were, she was justified to be a little angry. I don't like "ambush" journalism.And this I agree with and have said as much.

[CptColumbo]

So we really don't know what happened.
As much as I dislike Prejean, if she was promised that certain questions would not be asked ,and then they were, she was justified to be a little angry. I don't like "ambush" journalism.Neither do I, but I would never think of Larry King asking hard questions.

Maybe, "What do you get when you multiply 7 and 9?" That might have gotten the same response.

[GreNME]

Who is this person and why does she even matter? She appears to not be able to handle even a slightest bit of challenge. I don't give two flying figs what agreement she thought she had. I don't even know why King would agree to such nonsense. If I had a show the likes that Larry King does, I'd be pretty darned specific that the boundaries are not set by the guest, though every effort will be made to cross no legal or reasonable sensibility boundaries. Other than that: fair game.

[Lucian]

Latest reports are that she lied about being 17 in attempt to get the video buried. She was actually 20. I love how this girl is supposedly preaching values and morals and her complete lack of morals and values keeps unravelling in front of the country. What a dark-hearted horse's ass she is. Carrie Prejean represents so much that is wrong with this country.

But what Og didn't give her in brains and compassion, he made up for in looks! I hope the tape gets out :D.

Didn't she do the same thing when the first topless photos of her came to light?

[Starthinker]

I would hazard to guess that all the reports match because they all used the same source - the publicist.

Even CNN? Don't you think they'd support their own show if there was a discrepancy?

[RandFan]

Even CNN? Don't you think they'd support their own show if there was a discrepancy?Perhaps it's not all that important to LK or his producers. After the commercial break he said there was a misscomunication and continued with the interview. Maybe they are not interested in becoming the news story or feel that a correction is necassary.

But I will grant that it is an important point to consider.

[Yoink]

Even CNN? Don't you think they'd support their own show if there was a discrepancy?


Where are all these reports that supposedly agree about this? The LA Times report contains an update from Larry King claiming that there was no agreement about "no go" areas, nor was there any agreement about not taking calls. It's pre-update version speaks only of an agreement about not taking callers (which King now denies). None of the news reports I've seen online refer to an agreement between King and Prejean that King broke.

I think before you keep going back to the claim that "everybody" agrees that there were preconditions on the interview and that King ignored them it would help if you actually gave links to specific news stories making that claim.

[XBoxWarrior]

Prejean....oh the irony.

Photos have surfaced from the boyfriend who sent TMZ.com the video of Carrie Prejean's solo act. That video (and the subsequent download) is in high demand. But it has yet to be leaked.

During an audio interview with TMZ.com, the man -- who asked the tabloid not to reveal his identity -- says Carrie Prejean sent him the video when they were romancing each other in 2007. He says Prejean sent him numerous explicit videos and insists the one in question was shot when she was 20.

TMZ reports that Carrie and company called the guy last week and tried getting him to "lie" and say she was 17 when she shot the video.
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212267548.shtml

Ok, so it's just a solo masturbatory tape, but I'd pay $1.50...;) (paypal)

the tape is coming out...they don't buy tapes like this to lose money.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Looks like Carrie continues to make news (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/12/carrie-prejean-pulls-out-of-republican-talk/).

[WildCat]

Neither do I, but I would never think of Larry King asking hard questions.

Maybe, "What do you get when you multiply 7 and 9?" That might have gotten the same response.
I wonder if she knows the capitol of California is Sacramento?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I wonder if she knows the capitol of California is Sacramento?

No, but if you hum a few bars, I'm sure she could pick it up.

[hgc]

I watched this live. It was quite entertaining. She told him that the mediation was confident, and that she couldn't discuss the details. (This is the mediation with the Miss USA Pageant regarding her getting fired.) She even insinuated that she was the only one keeping the confidentiality, which sort of blows the whole point, meaning that she doesn't tell because she doesn't want to tell, not because an agreement keeps her from telling (if that's indeed what she said -- it's hard to say, since she's very confusing to listen to).

She claimed confidentiality of mediation in relation to any question he asked her about the sex tape, even though I have no idea how that tape relates to her employment/termination by Miss USA. So Larry started asking her the reason that she settled in mediation. She said that she couldn't discuss it, and so on. Then she started telling LK that he was "being inappropriate," over and over and over again, every time he tried to squeeze in a question along these lines. It was quite funny - sex taped Christianist tells Larry he's inappropriate.

I have no problem with a interviewee throwing up a smokescreen like that, if that's the way they want to play it. I also support LK's multi-angle probing. This is really a problem of divergent interests. LK's audience is interested in the sex tape, and he's working for that. CP is interested in selling her book, talking about her hero Sarah Palin, and NOT talking about sex tape. The other notable thing for me about the interview was that CP is quite dumb, but in a charming way (despite her right-wing batcrappery). Not just pretty, but actually quite charismatic. If only that personality was coupled with brains, she'd be quite a force.

After the crisis passed, and the sex tape, mediation and incoming calls were off the table, LK was struggling to find anything to ask her, and the interview turned deadly boring. He would have been much better off pressing his "inappropriate" agenda, and letting her storm off.

[dudalb]

No, but if you hum a few bars, I'm sure she could pick it up.


"There's Plenty of Gold, So I've Been Told, On the Banks of the Sacramento".
California Gold Rush Era Song. Nearest I have found for a song about the City In which I live.

[LibraryLady]

Okay, this feels a little odd, because I have so little sympathy for this young woman, but bear in mind she's 22 years old. I did some truly silly things at 22, and took some fairly ridiculous stands. The difference is that she is doing it on a world stage and I had the opportunity to do it only in Catonsville, Maryland.

I know she has chosen, at least to some extent, to be very public, but I'm also wondering about her "handlers," and who is doing her publicity. They are at the very least doing some poor research and at the most helping this child, yes child, to ruin her future.

I seriously hope she has someone in her life who can pull her back and at least help her evaluate her life right now. I'm not talking about her morals or ethics or religion. Just her frail chance to have a real life.

[XBoxWarrior]

She claimed confidentiality of mediation in relation to any question he asked her about the sex tape, even though I have no idea how that tape relates to her employment/termination by Miss USA.

Really?

According to TMZ, Carrie Prejean had demanded over a million dollars during her settlement negotiations with the Miss California USA Pageant until the lawyer for the Pageant gave her a copy of a sex tape of which she allegedly is the star.

The reports on the web say it took her around 30 seconds to withdraw her demands and accepted basically nothing.

It kinda violates all the 'rules' about contestants....

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212267548.shtml

[hgc]

Really?

It kinda violates all the 'rules' about contestants....

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212267548.shtml


Ah yes, I see. So when LK pressed her on the morals clause and the sex tape, she insisted that the sex tape had nothing to do with her being fired. (It was for not showing up for events and for "being hard to work with," is how she put it.)

But then he was asking about the relation of the sex tape to the mediation, and that's where she put up the firewall. She's trying to have it both ways, saying the sex tape is irrelevant, but then when he tries to probe into where it might be relevant, she says that it's not on-topic. Tsk, tsk.

[Lucian]

I wonder if she knows the capitol of California is Sacramento?

"We live in a land where you can choose your state capitol, and you know what, I think in my head, in my state, the capitol is California City."

[Starthinker]

Where are all these reports that supposedly agree about this? The LA Times report contains an update from Larry King claiming that there was no agreement about "no go" areas, nor was there any agreement about not taking calls. It's pre-update version speaks only of an agreement about not taking callers (which King now denies). None of the news reports I've seen online refer to an agreement between King and Prejean that King broke.

I think before you keep going back to the claim that "everybody" agrees that there were preconditions on the interview and that King ignored them it would help if you actually gave links to specific news stories making that claim.

I was referring to the reports I saw this morning on CNN, HLN, and some local channels, that and the linked newspaper story all agree. Sorry I can't link to television shows. Sorry I even brought any of this up. I was only giving another side to this story that I saw on the news. I really don't care. I just don't get why, if so many sources are in agreement, what all the fuss is about. No one is disputing that there were questions that were off limits and that she wouldn't take callers, even CNN doesn't dispute this, but it seems a lot of people are still saying "prove it." What is there to prove? And again, I really don't care and if you want proof go after it yourself. I'm done here.

[XBoxWarrior]

She's trying to have it both ways, saying the sex tape is irrelevant, but then when he tries to probe into where it might be relevant, she says that it's not on-topic. Tsk, tsk.

In a nut shell...that's the way Xtian pretzel logic works.

Her fifteen minutes are up.

Larry Flint makes $1,000,000 offer in 1,2,3...;)

[Neally]

So Larry started asking her the reason that she settled in mediation. Which is kind of a lame question in itself. To which she could have simply said something like, "Well all parties thought it was in their best interest" rather than all the huffing and puffing about inappropriateness.

[Yoink]

I was referring to the reports I saw this morning on CNN, HLN, and some local channels, that and the linked newspaper story all agree. Sorry I can't link to television shows. Sorry I even brought any of this up. I was only giving another side to this story that I saw on the news. I really don't care. I just don't get why, if so many sources are in agreement, what all the fuss is about. No one is disputing that there were questions that were off limits and that she wouldn't take callers, even CNN doesn't dispute this, but it seems a lot of people are still saying "prove it." What is there to prove? And again, I really don't care and if you want proof go after it yourself. I'm done here.

I think you misunderstood/misheard those news reports (and, really, you followed stories about this this morning on every single cable news channel and you "really don't care" about it??).

As for "no one is disputing that there were questions that were off limits"--the LA Times article linked above has Larry King himself disputing that there were any questions that were off limits. So, I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong about that. There were questions that Prejean considered herself unwilling to answer, but that is not the same thing as questions that King had agreed not to ask.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Wow, the director of the Miss California pageant unloads:

Keith Lewis, executive director of Miss California USA and Miss California Teen USA, released a statement on Thursday.

"The public is finally getting a glimpse of the real Carrie Prejean who lives in her own delusional world," he said. "The childish behavior, her negative attitude, the sarcasm and condescending tone, the disrespect and continual lying she is demonstrating now is only a fraction of what we endured during her reign and after."

"Anyone who buys her book is supporting a woman who is actually the opposite of everything she claims to be," the statement went on to say. "I sincerely hope she is able to get the psychological help I believe she has shown to clearly need."

:eye-poppi

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/12/trump.prejean.larry.king/index.html

[RandFan]

I just don't get why, if so many sources are in agreement, what all the fuss is about.A.) What are these "so many sources"? B.) So many sources were wrong about the Duke Lacrosse Rape case.

ST, it's called skepticism. Nothing more nothing less.

[RandFan]

Looks like Carrie continues to make news (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/12/carrie-prejean-pulls-out-of-republican-talk/).Hmmm....

Carrie faced a fresh wave of criticism this morning after her former hookup told us (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/12/carrie-prejeans-ex-boyfriend-sex-tape-lie-age/) she wanted him to lie about her sex tape and tell people she was underage when she filmed it ... when she was really 20-years-old. I want to see that tape. Purely for academic purposes of course.

[LibraryLady]

Okay, this feels a little odd, because I have so little sympathy for this young woman, but bear in mind she's 22 years old. I did some truly silly things at 22, and took some fairly ridiculous stands. The difference is that she is doing it on a world stage and I had the opportunity to do it only in Catonsville, Maryland.

I know she has chosen, at least to some extent, to be very public, but I'm also wondering about her "handlers," and who is doing her publicity. They are at the very least doing some poor research and at the most helping this child, yes child, to ruin her future.

I seriously hope she has someone in her life who can pull her back and at least help her evaluate her life right now. I'm not talking about her morals or ethics or religion. Just her frail chance to have a real life.

Wow, the director of the Miss California pageant unloads:



:eye-poppi

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/12/trump.prejean.larry.king/index.html

Maybe I'm wrong.

[cisco]

What I don't get is why anyone ever makes agreements NOT to ask certain questions or breach certain topics. "This is a news show. You want to hype your book/movie/agenda, then you will answer whatever you get asked. Can't take it? Then stay home and sell your book on eBay."

Or at the very least, it should be stated clearly up-front to the audience that the person being interviewed has declined to answer questions on Topic A. Why do they get to hide from questions they don't like?

Who is this person and why does she even matter? She appears to not be able to handle even a slightest bit of challenge. I don't give two flying figs what agreement she thought she had. I don't even know why King would agree to such nonsense. If I had a show the likes that Larry King does, I'd be pretty darned specific that the boundaries are not set by the guest, though every effort will be made to cross no legal or reasonable sensibility boundaries. Other than that: fair game.

Do you guys really not get this? It's the free market in action. Shows that throw hardballs don't get guests, period. I agree with you guys in theory, but in practice someone else is going to agree to ban those talking points and the guest will go there. Why do you think a lot of A-listers won't do Howard Stern when they're out making the rounds promoting their new project but they'll do other shows that have a tiny fraction of his audience? He refuses to ban any talking points or questions. And yeah, he'll occasionally get an Arlen Spector or a Paul McCartney or a Barbara Walters, but he'll never get a Carrie Prejean. Too many softball options out there.

[Pardalis]

You call that a hissy fit?

[fullflavormenthol]

I am skeptical about an agreement not to ask certain questions, and even then a publicist should never agree to an interview (where they don't want certain questions asked) unless they get it in writing.

Hell there may have been an "agreement" between the publicist and the person who schedules interviews, but that doesn't equate an agreement between LKL and Prejean unless it is in writing.

Personally, I think Prejean went on LKL expecting a softball interview just like on the Today show, and that isn't going to happen.

[Darth Rotor]

Hmmm....

I want to see that tape. Purely for academic purposes of course.
Me as well.

In re the pageant official quoted up a few posts:

Irony meter just pegged.

The entire beauty pageant industry is a remarkable exercise in ensuring that the young ladies involved develop an impressive self importance.

And this "official" thinks CJ needs help? Gee, given that you are an accomplice to this developmental matter, you might want to take a good hard look in the mirror, pageant person.

DR

[GreNME]

Do you guys really not get this? It's the free market in action. Shows that throw hardballs don't get guests, period. I agree with you guys in theory, but in practice someone else is going to agree to ban those talking points and the guest will go there. Why do you think a lot of A-listers won't do Howard Stern when they're out making the rounds promoting their new project but they'll do other shows that have a tiny fraction of his audience? He refuses to ban any talking points or questions. And yeah, he'll occasionally get an Arlen Spector or a Paul McCartney or a Barbara Walters, but he'll never get a Carrie Prejean. Too many softball options out there.

I think there's a sliding scale for weighing who to cave in on and who to press. I had to literally look this woman up to even have any clue who she was, and I still think she's an unimportant nobody.

I long for the days of guys like Carson. He may or may not have been a nice guy off-camera, but when it came down to it he didn't have any problem being classy on camera and still asking what he wanted. You couldn't find a show on television today who would pull what he did with Uri Geller.

[dudalb]

THe 1974 film "Smile" said all there is to say about Beauty Pagents. One of my favorite "forgotten" films. If you want no holds barred satire, here it is.

[Skeptic Ginger]

She was asked questions that prior to the interview she was told she wouldn't be asked. Others have walked out on shows for that. I probably would. She was also told there would be no callers and Larry went right to the phones after he asked the questions he said he wouldn't ask.Oh come on, she's pouting and talking to King like he's a 2 yr old.

"That's inappropriate, Larry"

No, it wasn't 'inappropriate'. It may have been outside the agreed interview guidelines. She certainly was within her rights to say she wasn't going there. 'Inappropriate' would be something like King copping a feel. :p

[Skeptic Ginger]

Okay, this feels a little odd, because I have so little sympathy for this young woman, but bear in mind she's 22 years old. I did some truly silly things at 22, and took some fairly ridiculous stands. The difference is that she is doing it on a world stage and I had the opportunity to do it only in Catonsville, Maryland. ....I dunno, LL. I think I was that dumb at about the age of 8. By 22 I do think she has passed the age of being excused for being that ignorant.

She's such a whiner. It's all about poor little Prejean. She's not had her free speech taken away. You speak your mind, people are free to respond. But she takes no responsibility for that.

Spoiled brat comes to mind.

[EvilSmurf]

Speaking of Prejean, does anyone else think it's an "astonishing coincidence" that her sex tape was revealed at the same time she was promoting her book?

[tyr_13]

Okay, this feels a little odd, because I have so little sympathy for this young woman, but bear in mind she's 22 years old. I did some truly silly things at 22, and took some fairly ridiculous stands. The difference is that she is doing it on a world stage and I had the opportunity to do it only in Catonsville, Maryland.

I know she has chosen, at least to some extent, to be very public, but I'm also wondering about her "handlers," and who is doing her publicity. They are at the very least doing some poor research and at the most helping this child, yes child, to ruin her future.

I seriously hope she has someone in her life who can pull her back and at least help her evaluate her life right now. I'm not talking about her morals or ethics or religion. Just her frail chance to have a real life.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think you're entirely wrong. She could just need to grow up. Being a professional beauty contestant probably doesn't help. It's the same as you see with athletes. They grow up in a world where they can get away with a lot of very, very 'poor' (read: possibly illegal, definitely unethical) behavior, have other people clean it up for you, and not need to put in a lot of effort into any other pursuit besides the one you are known for. Then suddenly you get to a point where people aren't, or can't, protect you from yourself as much and you self destruct. Why do so many celebrities think they can get away with outright criminal behavior? Because they can, and have been, since childhood.

None of this absolves them of personal responsibility. She's still being a spoiled, two-faced, drama queen.

Hmmm....

I want to see that tape. Purely for academic purposes of course.

Actually I don't. I don't find her that attractive and I detest her personality. That destroys all other pleasure I might get from it.

Besides, she's a 'good Christian', no way she does it well. :p

[Cicero]

"You're going on Larry King, but don't worry, he won't ask any hard questions."

And she believed it. Yeah, she's real smart. S-M-R-T smart.

Larry only doesn't ask tough questions if you're on to promote psychics or some other such woo. Political woo doesn't get the same pass.

What? You actually believe King asks tough questions of anybody regardless of the subject matter? The only reason he is still on the air is because celebs of all variety will be assured they will get their spin out without any worry of being challenged by King. Without that earpiece and his producer speaking into it, King wouldn't remember who the person was sitting in front him. Even when his liberal POV might persuade him to be critical of a conservative guests's opinions, he is unable to formulate an incisive comment.

[Cicero]

This is funny!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/11/11/lkl.prejean.upset.cnn

If Prejean is an idiot what does that make Perez Hilton?

[RandFan]

If Prejean is an idiot what does that make Perez Hilton?Flamboyant?

[Cicero]

Flamboyant?

Elton John is flamboyant. Perez is just flaming.

[LostMetroid88]

Did you hear the question?

No, I can't hear you.

Wow.

[Meadmaker]

I blame Perez Hilton. It's his fault we ever heard of Carrie Prejean.

[Achán hiNidráne]

They're now moderate Democrats. Their politics haven't changed, the parties have. William F. Buckley would be reviled by today's Republicans. Eisenhower would be a socialist by their standards.

I think Christopher Buckley (WFB's son) quoted his father saying something along the lines of that he tried to keep Conservativsm from the populist anti-intellectuals that they've become and that he failed.

[JoeyDonuts]

If Prejean is an idiot what does that make Perez Hilton?

Punching bag for will.i.am.

I'm sorry, but in certain social situations the correct and tactful response is a good stiff right cross.

[Cicero]

I blame Perez Hilton. It's his fault we ever heard of Carrie Prejean.

I blame Prejean. It is her fault we ever heard of Perez Hilton.

[kallsop]

Her original 15 minutes should have started out the same but prefixed with "I agree with Obama ....." and then it would have all been swept under the rug.

[fullflavormenthol]

You know it wasn't her comments per se that really kept this going. It was positioning herself as a poster child for conservative values, framing herself as a victim of liberal oppression, and just happening to be a guest news announcer on Fox News when announcing California upholding Prop 8.

Majority of people who can't stand her have no idea who the hell Perez Hilton is. Again it is her positioning herself as the epitome of the conservative woman that has made all this possible. She could have left well enough alone as opposed to blaming her lose in the Miss USA pageant on (insert liberal boogeyman) and whining to the news.

[Policenaut]

Yet the news cannot blame her because THEY are the ones who keep covering her as though whatever is happening with her is somehow real news. Every time something new about her pops up people on all networks are covering it like she is in congress. They obviously think she can pull in ratings (which is their real goal anyway) so having her on and then complaining about her being on tv so much is just hypocrisy. The media has kept the story going when it could have died long ago.

[UnrepentantSinner]

I can read lips pretty well. When she turns to her right, I think she's saying
"We're going to have to leave."
and when she turns back to the camera, I think she's saying
"I'm going to have to leave."

So she does have voices in her head. Maybe she should only listen to half of them.

...I also support LK's multi-angle probing. ...LK's audience is interested in the sex tape, and he's working for that.

Ugh, without context these sentences gave me the heebie jeebies.

I was referring to the reports I saw this morning on CNN, HLN, and some local channels, that and the linked newspaper story all agree.{snip}

Starthinker, As I read your posts it seemed like you felt you were being called a liar because you didn't have links to stories or video clips of the shows you watched. I don't think that was the intention of any of those who remained skeptical. My interpretation is they were merely skeptical about the content of what you saw and wanted to see it themselves. It didn't seem personal. :)

[Whiplash]

I think she could have explained herself better, but Larry's feeling that she could someone state why she chose to settle, without speaking to any details about the settlement, was puzzling to me. It's a question she really can't answer, at least not with more than something like "we all felt it was the best agreement we could reach" or something like that. He was trying to get her to give more details than she was comfortable with.

[GreNME]

I think she could have explained herself better, but Larry's feeling that she could someone state why she chose to settle, without speaking to any details about the settlement, was puzzling to me. It's a question she really can't answer, at least not with more than something like "we all felt it was the best agreement we could reach" or something like that. He was trying to get her to give more details than she was comfortable with.

That's because she settled and dropped the demand for the money when the other side's lawyers played the sex tape for her and her lawyer. It's an embarrassing tale of eating crow that she'd likely rather not recount, especially because it throws a monkeywrench into the "still standing" facade she's trying to put off.

Really, this is a ridiculous story. Just another person who got caught clearly not walking the walk they preach at everyone else. She doesn't even play the part convincingly.

[RandFan]

I think she could have explained herself better, but Larry's feeling that she could someone state why she chose to settle, without speaking to any details about the settlement, was puzzling to me. It's a question she really can't answer, at least not with more than something like "we all felt it was the best agreement we could reach" or something like that. He was trying to get her to give more details than she was comfortable with.According to unnamed sources she settled because of the tape. I'm not sure why the other side would include that in the settlement but it wouldn't surpise me that she wanted that included. If it was included on her behalf then perhaps there is a reasonable claim for silence as any breech could give amunition to Pagent. But I think she didn't answer the questions because it was a blow that she had to settle and it was a blow that she settled because of the tape.

[Redtail]

Wait, was the sex tape the kind of "I have no talent so let I'll make a sex tape and ahem... 'leak' it to the news" or was this a case of getting freaky with her boyfriend and the tape really did get leaked?

[GreNME]

Wait, was the sex tape the kind of "I have no talent so let I'll make a sex tape and ahem... 'leak' it to the news" or was this a case of getting freaky with her boyfriend and the tape really did get leaked?

According to what I read (I haven't followed this at all and only learned who she was hours ago), the tape came up against her in settlement talks with the Miss California organization with regard to her demanding something like a million dollars for them having dropped her. Since her sex tape-- which consisted of her apparently masturbating for her cell phone's camera and sending the video to her at-the-time boyfriend-- pretty much broke some clause in the Miss California list of rules-a-contestant-can't-do, they pretty much had the case won against her and she dropped her demand for the money.

Sounds to me like she got the corporate version of a b****-slap and is now trying to pretend it didn't happen.

[Policenaut]

The whole pageant is outdated and a bunch of crap. My idea is make it all nude and forget the stupid questions portion. The talent portion will be exciting again.

PS Who knew it had "rules"? Trump apparently has a hand selected group of horndogs separate from the "judges" who pick at least half of the candidates that go to the second round based on how hot they are. With a fine, upstanding guy like Trump pulling the strings of course they should enforce their antiquated rules that likely are broken by most of these girls.

[SezMe]

Do you guys really not get this? It's the free market in action. Shows that throw hardballs don't get guests, period. I agree with you guys in theory, but in practice someone else is going to agree to ban those talking points and the guest will go there. Why do you think a lot of A-listers won't do Howard Stern when they're out making the rounds promoting their new project but they'll do other shows that have a tiny fraction of his audience? He refuses to ban any talking points or questions. And yeah, he'll occasionally get an Arlen Spector or a Paul McCartney or a Barbara Walters, but he'll never get a Carrie Prejean. Too many softball options out there.
Quoted because nobody seemed to notice this correct analysis. I've heard Hartmann explain that he can't get some politicians to appear on his show because he won't agree to "prohibited topics".

There's an obvious tension here. Politicians/celebrities need exposure and talk shows need ratings by getting big names. Anyone who thinks some horse trading is not taking place is naive.

[SezMe]

Her original 15 minutes should have started out the same but prefixed with "I agree with Obama ....." and then it would have all been swept under the rug.
What color is the sky in the world you inhabit?

[Redtail]

According to what I read (I haven't followed this at all and only learned who she was hours ago), the tape came up against her in settlement talks with the Miss California organization with regard to her demanding something like a million dollars for them having dropped her. Since her sex tape-- which consisted of her apparently masturbating for her cell phone's camera and sending the video to her at-the-time boyfriend-- pretty much broke some clause in the Miss California list of rules-a-contestant-can't-do, they pretty much had the case won against her and she dropped her demand for the money.

Sounds to me like she got the corporate version of a b****-slap and is now trying to pretend it didn't happen.

Ah! I see. I was wondering getting hammered because she was a conservative and did something kinky but the hypocrisy angle fits.

ETA: At this level anyway.

[fullflavormenthol]

<snip>
PS Who knew it had "rules"?
<snip>


Pageants have rules specifically forbidding any photos, videos, etc of a pornographic nature from existing in a contestants past. It is actually something that exists both in the Miss USA and Miss America pageants.

Vanessa Williams was pretty much forced to resign after nude photos of her appeared around ten months into her being Miss America.

[fullflavormenthol]

Yet the news cannot blame her because THEY are the ones who keep covering her as though whatever is happening with her is somehow real news. Every time something new about her pops up people on all networks are covering it like she is in congress. They obviously think she can pull in ratings (which is their real goal anyway) so having her on and then complaining about her being on tv so much is just hypocrisy. The media has kept the story going when it could have died long ago.
Absolutely correct, Fox News should have stopped making a non-story about her a long time ago. Having her as a guest news anchor when Prop 8 was upheld was very tacky, and a perfect example of THEM creating news.

[Perfume V]

If Prejean is an idiot what does that make Perez Hilton?

Can't they both be idiots? I mean, there isn't a quota on how many idiots a country can have before it needs to start sending them abroad to idiot-starved nations... though it would be nice if there was.

[Darth Rotor]

Can't they both be idiots? I mean, there isn't a quota on how many idiots a country can have before it needs to start sending them abroad to idiot-starved nations... though it would be nice if there was.
Yes they can, and yes we can, in reply to the bolded statements, respectively.

Wait, maybe that second part is just wishful thinking. Rats.
:(

[Cicero]

Absolutely correct, Fox News should have stopped making a non-story about her a long time ago. Having her as a guest news anchor when Prop 8 was upheld was very tacky, and a perfect example of THEM creating news.

Come on. "TMZ," "Showbiz Tonight" and "Issues" were having (and are still having) way too much fun using Prajean as their anti-gay marriage piñata. Perhaps they can be excused for devouring this red meat since these shows are hosted, or owned, by gays.

[tyr_13]

Come on. "TMZ," "Showbiz Tonight" and "Issues" were having (and are still having) way too much fun using Prajean as their anti-gay marriage piñata. Perhaps they can be excused for devouring this red meat since these shows are hosted, or owned, by gays.

Ah, it's nice to know what level you believe Fox News casting to be on.

[Cicero]

Ah, it's nice to know what level you believe Fox News casting to be on.

Is that why FOX News is always on in your household?

[tyr_13]

Is that why FOX News is always on in your household?

Ad-hom. Nice to know you don't have any real argument to defend it.

[Policenaut]

They had her on for an hour as a guest host on Fox and Friends, their stupid morning show. Are seriously saying that having her on for an hour on Fox is the reason why this story is still being reported on like the health care bill? No. Most of the media overtly hates her but they still report on her because she brings them viewers. They are the ones saying "Why is she in the news again?" as they are reporting on her latest escapade. That is what I was talking about. It's pure hypocrisy. The media has the power not some california blondie who doesn't "believe" in gay marriage. Now if they all stopped reporting on her and refused to interview her about her book they might have a claim if a network like Fox was the only one giving her airtime but that's not reality. The Fox decision was a stupid way to tie her into prop 8 . They certainly gave her an extra 15 minutes but the media wasn't ignoring her before that time and they still aren't ignoring her. And all this garbage over a stupid statement from a stupid beauty pageant. I hate people.

[Cicero]

Ad-hom. Nice to know you don't have any real argument to defend it.

What is there to defend? All the other cable/networks made her answer to Perez Hilton and her video a news story, but FOX News should be exempt from having Prajean on one of their shows?

BTW: Since I do not consider FOX News an illegitimate news source, how does pointing out that FOX News is watched in your household qualify as an ad hominem argument?

[scratchy]

As im not a native english speaker im still picking up new words and expressions. This was a new one, hissy fit. From the video i assume that it means to camly resist someones persistant questioning.

[Cicero]

As im not a native english speaker im still picking up new words and expressions. This was a new one, hissy fit. From the video i assume that it means to camly resist someones persistant questioning.

Your command of English just left The Central Scrutinizer's in the dust.

[CptColumbo]

As im not a native english speaker im still picking up new words and expressions. This was a new one, hissy fit. From the video i assume that it means to camly resist someones persistant questioning.I would have called it pouting (which I never get tried of watching her do) rather than a "Hissy Fit." Hissy fits tend to be more energetic, and more like a temper tantrum. I also associate it more with high pitched screaming and whining.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I would have called it pouting (which I never get tried of watching her do) rather than a "Hissy Fit." Hissy fits tend to be more energetic, and more like a temper tantrum. I also associate it more with high pitched screaming and whining.

Yeah, hissy fit was probably a bit strong. But the end result is the same. And it brought in viewers!

[Vic Vega]

If she needs money, rather than write a book, she should sue the plastic surgeon who did her absolutely awful breast implants.

Those two cantaloupes under her skin are all the evidence of malpractice she needs...

:eek:

[RandFan]

I would have called it pouting (which I never get tried of watching her do) rather than a "Hissy Fit." Hissy fits tend to be more energetic, and more like a temper tantrum. I also associate it more with high pitched screaming and whining.I would have called it childish. Prejean needs to put on her big girl pants if she wants to do interviews.

Billy Bob was rightly accused of being an ass when he did it. I don't think we should put on kid gloves for this twit. If she had an agreement that was broken and she wants to stand on principle then fine. But grow up. Smile, apologize that you can't continue the interview and LEAVE. IOW: Grow a pair.

[Cicero]

I would have called it childish. Prejean needs to put on her big girl pants if she wants to do interviews.

Billy Bob was rightly accused of being an ass when he did it. I don't think we should put on kid gloves for this twit. If she had an agreement that was broken and she wants to stand on principle then fine. But grow up. Smile, apologize that you can't continue the interview and LEAVE. IOW: Grow a pair.

You mean not answering Perez's question in the PC way was a demonstration of her being a wimp?

[tyr_13]

What is there to defend? All the other cable/networks made her answer to Perez Hilton and her video a news story, but FOX News should be exempt from having Prajean on one of their shows?

You're the one getting worked up about someone mentioning her ties to Fox news, and then defend it with other shows that have had coverage of her. She wasn't just a guest of Fox and Friends (opinion show!), she was the guest news anchor. It's a different thing to have her on your show, as a guest and especially a guest anchor, than to report on her.

I'm not giving those other shows a free pass. They should just let her drop.


BTW: Since I do not consider FOX News an illegitimate news source, how does pointing out that FOX News is watched in your household qualify as an ad hominem argument?

Do you really need to have ad hom defined for you? You've pointed out a personal quality of me as an argument for Fox. It's a especially bizarre ad hom which might actually be a red haring. It's one that you love to repeat and one which I simply don't wish to discus.

[RandFan]

You mean not answering Perez's question in the PC way was a demonstration of her being a wimp? We are talking about her interview on LKL (see thread title). I'm also talking about her incessant whining and victimization. Poor poor pitiful Prejean. It's so Hilary Clinton and the vast right wing conspiracy nonsense.

[Cicero]

If she needs money, rather than write a book, she should sue the plastic surgeon who did her absolutely awful breast implants.

Those two cantaloupes under her skin are all the evidence of malpractice she needs...

:eek:

She doesn't even crack the celebrity top ten list of bad implants.

http://www.zimbio.com/Celebrity+Portal/articles/9524/Top+10+Bad+Hollywood+Boob+Jobs

[RandFan]

We are talking about her interview on LKL (see thread title). I'm also talking about her incessant whining and victimization. Poor poor pitiful Prejean. It's so Hilary Clinton and the vast right wing conspiracy nonsense.I really hate the poor me routine. Christ it makes my skin crawl. Especially someone who will make millions from all of the publicity. I liked how Barbara Walters reminded Carie that the attention could only make her money. It's in her best interest that she is attacked. If the attacks are unwarranted then she will be vindicated in the end. Either way she gets to cry all the way to the bank.

Spare me. Please.

[Cicero]

We are talking about her interview on LKL (see thread title). I'm also talking about her incessant whining and victimization. Poor poor pitiful Prejean. It's so Hilary Clinton and the vast right wing conspiracy nonsense.

Thread title aside, did she grow a pair when she didn't provide the PC answer to Perez's question?

[Cicero]

I really hate the poor me routine. Christ it makes my skin crawl. Especially someone who will make millions from all of the publicity. I liked how Barbara Walters reminded Carie that the attention could only make her money. It's in her best interest that she is attacked. If the attacks are unwarranted then she will be vindicated in the end. Either way she gets to cry all the way to the bank.

Spare me. Please.

That's rich coming from Babs.

[Vic Vega]

She doesn't even crack the celebrity top ten list of bad implants.

http://www.zimbio.com/Celebrity+Portal/articles/9524/Top+10+Bad+Hollywood+Boob+Jobs


Hey, don't misrepresent my position... I didn't say she belongs to an exclusive club!

:D


I'll check this out at home.

[RandFan]

Thread title aside, did she grow a pair when she didn't provide the PC answer to Perez's question?She bravely stood up to the gays. Good for her.

[Cicero]

She bravely stood up to the gays. Good for her.

I detect a symphony of sarcasm.

[RandFan]

That's rich coming from Babs.No. You miss the point. Babs knew of that which she was speaking. Babs was trying to tell her the poor pitiful routine isn't necassary. Prejean would make millions. Be happy while you are exploiting a silly and pathetic side show. In the grand scheme of things the opinion of someone whose only achievement in life is her looks and the ability to film a solo sex tape and send it to her boyfriend doesn't rate very high.

She ought to count her blessings that the public is so superficial and that the fickle finger of fate gave her an opportunity to cash in on the carnival of celebrity.

Babs was right.

[RandFan]

I detect a symphony of sarcasm.I'm not a fan of PC. But being counter to PC doesn't make one right and I reserve my praise for bravery for those who aren't trying to restrict the rights of others. There are other such brave souls. I suppose I could give praise to the likes of Fred Phelps and his ilk. It's rather brave to stand on a corner with a sign that says God hates Fags (http://www.killfredphelps.com/god_hates_fags.jpg) but for some reason I don't see any reason to focus on the bravery of the Westborough Baptist Church.

If you ask me directly if the members of Westorough are brave I'll say yes. Hell, I think the 9/11 hijackers were brave.

So yeah, Prejean stood her ground and defended her principles against gay and lesbians. Just as Westborough is doing.

But let me ask you this question, where is Prejean's bravery now? Why all the victimization and pouting and woe is me BS?

[Cicero]

No. You miss the point. Babs knew of that which she was speaking. Babs was trying to tell her the poor pitiful routine isn't necassary. Prejean would make millions. Be happy while you are exploiting a silly and pathetic side show. In the grand scheme of things the opinion of someone whose only achievement in life is her looks and the ability to film a solo sex tape and send it to her boyfriend doesn't rate very high.

She ought to count her blessings that the public is so superficial and that the fickle finger of fate gave her an opportunity to cash in on the carnival of celebrity.

Babs was right.

We are talking about the same Babs who complained about Rosie O'Donnell's feud with Trump when this feud fueled "The View's" ratings.

If the opinion of a beauty pageant contestant is valueless, why would a pageant judge ask her a self-serving question, and then create a firestorm about the answer given?

[Cicero]

I'm not a fan of PC. But being counter to PC doesn't make one right and I reserve my praise for bravery for those who aren't trying to restrict the rights of others. There are other such brave souls. I suppose I could give praise to the likes of Fred Phelps and his ilk. It's rather brave to stand on a corner with a sign that says God hates Fags (http://www.killfredphelps.com/god_hates_fags.jpg) but for some reason I don't see any reason to focus on the bravery of the Westborough Baptist Church.

If you ask me directly if the members of Westorough are brave I'll say yes. Hell, I think the 9/11 hijackers were brave.

So yeah, Prejean stood her ground and defended her principles against gay and lesbians. Just as Westborough is doing.

But let me ask you this question, where is Prejean's bravery now? Why all the victimization and pouting and woe is me BS?

It has zero to do with being "brave," or heroic or unconventional. It has to do with expressing a personal opinion that doesn't involve anyone other than herself. She didn't campaign on this issue as a pageant contestant. The fact that you characterize her answer to Perez's question as "being against gay and lesbians" is to paint with the broadest of brushes. The current POTUS expressed the same view on the subject as Prajean and received 53% of the vote. If she said she didn't believe in Christ would that mean you would characterize her as being against Catholics?

[tyr_13]

It has zero to do with being "brave," or heroic or unconventional. It has to do with expressing a personal opinion that doesn't involve anyone other than herself. She didn't campaign on this issue as a pageant contestant. The fact that you characterize her answer to Perez's question as "being against gay and lesbians" is to paint with the broadest of brushes. If she said she didn't believe in Christ would that mean you would characterize her as being against Catholics?

That's funny, I don't remember that line of questioning in this interview. You remember the Larry King interview? The topic of this thread?

[Cicero]

That's funny, I don't remember that line of questioning in this interview. You remember the Larry King interview? The topic of this thread?

Considering the topic was about the "hissy fit" that she actually never threw on LKL, why not add some substance to the OP?

[Psi Baba]

Prejean needs to put on her big girl pants

<snip>

Grow a pair
All right, make up your mind; which one should she do? :)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Considering the topic was about the "hissy fit" that she actually never threw on LKL, why not add some substance to the OP?

But it was much closer to a hissy fit than a rational response, so your posts on the subject are pretty much FAIL.

[Cicero]

But it was much closer to a hissy fit than a rational response, so your posts on the subject are pretty much FAIL.

Close only counts with horseshoes, hand grenades, and the back seats of cars. Electing yourself as the authorty as to what constitutes rationality is as lucid as the OP.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Close only counts with horseshoes, hand grenades, and the back seats of cars. Electing yourself as the authorty as to what constitutes rationality is as lucid as the OP.

Another FAIL.

[Cicero]

Another FAIL.

All those who have posted Prajean did not have a "hissy fit" on LKL fail? You are going to have to employ a grading curve in this thread if anyone is going to pass.

[SezMe]

You mean not answering Perez's question in the PC way was a demonstration of her being a wimp?
I am so fed up with using PC as an excuse for crapping on someone else's opinion that you (the generic and specific you) don't like. It's cheap and useless. State your perspective and stop hiding behind PC.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

All those who have posted Prajean did not have a "hissy fit" on LKL fail? You are going to have to employ a grading curve in this thread if anyone is going to pass.

:dig:

[Cicero]

:dig:

Self-deprecating humor is a good face saving tactic.

[dudalb]

Can't they both be idiots? I mean, there isn't a quota on how many idiots a country can have before it needs to start sending them abroad to idiot-starved nations... though it would be nice if there was.

THey are both idiots. Prejean is a homophobe and the ultimate Blond Ditz, and Perez has NO Standing in the Gay community whatsoever due to his antics,and is genrally considered an embarassment and there is a lot of resentment at his self proclaimed postureing as a "Gay Rights Leader".

[Meadmaker]

She ought to count her blessings that the public is so superficial and that the fickle finger of fate gave her an opportunity to cash in on the carnival of celebrity.



Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

[four elevener]

THey are both idiots. Prejean is a homophobe and the ultimate Blond Ditz, and Perez has NO Standing in the Gay community whatsoever due to his antics,and is genrally considered an embarassment and there is a lot of resentment at his self proclaimed postureing as a "Gay Rights Leader".


If those two are ever within reaching distance of one another, I hope Perez trips and flies face first into Prejean's boobies. One will be in tears while the other will prolly hurl chunks.

[Cain]

Haha, she's not tough enough for Larry freaking King. Honestly, this chick needs to shut up.

Edited for Rule 2

[fullflavormenthol]

They had her on for an hour as a guest host on Fox and Friends, their stupid morning show. Are seriously saying that having her on for an hour on Fox is the reason why this story is still being reported on like the health care bill?

Yes. They have her on, she cries about oppression, Fox reports on their own coverage, their commentators ask "why is the liberal media ignoring this story?" and then other networks respond. That is how a tabloid can actually influence the news. I know that is a confusing idea.

The other parts of the story are moved by the tabloids, and reported on in the soft news.

I hate people.

Be careful you don't hurt yourself should you ever decide to step down from that horse...it's pretty high.

[pipelineaudio]

I missed the hissyfit part.

I know on my end when I had a settlement and realized I wasn't a lawyer, I wouldn't even BEGIN to go into talking about it to people, nevermind on TV when its being recorded. AFAICT my terms are expired and I still won't. You never know how you can get nailed

[fuelair]

Funny how it was just last week that Tancredo did the same thing (on MSNBC), except he wasn't selling a book, so he actually walked off. Why don't these types just sell their schtick on Faux "News"...that's their demographic.

I'd give miss kiddy porn more respect if she just got up and ran, but her manager was 'coaching' her to stay, and mention the damn book again.

We'll probably never even get to see the porn because she was underage...damn.

That didn't stop the Vanessa Hudgens stuff - it's still widely available on many otherwise "normal" sites .:)

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thread title aside, did she grow a pair when she didn't provide the PC answer to Perez's question?:dl:

I think she answered by the seat of her pants and only went on the, "I should have won" pouting tour afterward.

[RandFan]

We are talking about the same Babs who complained about Rosie O'Donnell's feud with Trump when this feud fueled "The View's" ratings.

If the opinion of a beauty pageant contestant is valueless, why would a pageant judge ask her a self-serving question, and then create a firestorm about the answer given?Ad hominem poisoning the well. Tu Quoque. Red herring.

Damn dude.

[RandFan]

It has to do with expressing a personal opinion that doesn't involve anyone other than herself.Which has zero to do with the fact that she is nauseating in her poor poor pitiful me routine. Which is the subject of the discussion at hand.

The fact that you characterize her answer to Perez's question as "being against gay and lesbians" is to paint with the broadest of brushes.If the shoe fits.

The current POTUS expressed the same view on the subject as Prajean and received 53% of the vote.Same as John Kerry. Same as Edward. It's an effective wedge issue. Obama's stance is cowardly and cynical. I understand it from a political POV. But I condemn the position as unenlightened and pandering.

If she said she didn't believe in Christ would that mean you would characterize her as being against Catholics? If she said she didn't think Christians had the right to marry I would think that she is a bigoted bitch. And I'm an atheist.

[RandFan]

All right, make up your mind; which one should she do? :)There I go. Mixing my metaphors again. :)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Self-deprecating humor is a good face saving tactic.

You really don't get it, do you?

:dig::dig::dig::dig::dig::dig::dig::dig:

[Puppycow]

This is funny!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/11/11/lkl.prejean.upset.cnn

I love how she claims that there's a double standard because conservatives never say anything bad about liberals but liberals are allowed to say mean things about conservatives.

Yep. Idiot.

[Meadmaker]

There are so many weird aspects to the Carrie Prejean phenomenon.

First of all, she was catapulted to fame because of her answer to a question in a beauty pageant. Has anyone noticed that she gave the mainstream answer? Although, she did prevaricate somewhat by noting that it was ok for people to disagree. Yes, she bravely and courageously stuck to the middle of the road, while saying it was fine with her that other people didn't.

Meanwhile, this middle of the road answer outraged some, which led some others to rally to her defense.

Afterwards, we discovered all too much detail about her personal life. While she has opposed gay marriage, we have discovered evidence that she has, in fact, personally engaged in heterosexual sex! What hypocrisy!

And for this she gets a book deal? It's just weird.

[Puppycow]

Report claims existence of 30 nude photos and 8 sex tapes of Carrie Prejean (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-30-nude-photos-8-sex-tapes-carrie-prejean-surface)

Why is it that beauty pageants are such prudes (hypocritical prudes) about their contestants? The discovery of nude photos or a sex tape is generally considered grounds for disqualification. But the whole point of a beauty pageant is to appeal to lust. I suppose that I understand it, based on traditional patriarchal notions of virtue, but I don't agree with it.

[Puppycow]

What color is the sky in the world you inhabit?

Probably that Carrie Prejean and Barack Obama have the same position on gay marriage.

[Cainkane1]

This is funny!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/11/11/lkl.prejean.upset.cnn
Yeah but look at how pretty she is.

[Policenaut]

Yes. They have her on, she cries about oppression, Fox reports on their own coverage, their commentators ask "why is the liberal media ignoring this story?" and then other networks respond. That is how a tabloid can actually influence the news. I know that is a confusing idea.

The other parts of the story are moved by the tabloids, and reported on in the soft news.

That was in May. It is still an ongoing saga 6 months later. Again Fox might have spurned some stories but again she was big news before that. She is still news today. It will not die unless people stop interviewing her. But they won't because it brings in ratings. I'm talking mainstream news. The tabloids will be on about her for years to come. That doesn't mean she is real news.

[Pardalis]

There are so many weird aspects to the Carrie Prejean phenomenon.

First of all, she was catapulted to fame because of her answer to a question in a beauty pageant. Has anyone noticed that she gave the mainstream answer? Although, she did prevaricate somewhat by noting that it was ok for people to disagree. Yes, she bravely and courageously stuck to the middle of the road, while saying it was fine with her that other people didn't.

Meanwhile, this middle of the road answer outraged some, which led some others to rally to her defense.

Afterwards, we discovered all too much detail about her personal life. While she has opposed gay marriage, we have discovered evidence that she has, in fact, personally engaged in heterosexual sex! What hypocrisy!

And for this she gets a book deal? It's just weird.

I agree, I find nothing extraordinary about her pageant answer, and the way she behaved on Larry King's show.

I can't understand why this is such a "story".

It really must be because she's cute. :con2:

[RandFan]

Afterwards, we discovered all too much detail about her personal life. While she has opposed gay marriage, we have discovered evidence that she has, in fact, personally engaged in heterosexual sex! What hypocrisy!

And for this she gets a book deal? It's just weird.Pre-marital heterosexual sex.

Yes, it is hypocrisy.

[Yoink]

While she has opposed gay marriage, we have discovered evidence that she has, in fact, personally engaged in heterosexual sex! What hypocrisy!

Er, actually what we have discovered evidence of is that she personally engaged in masturbation. Whether her particular brand of Christianity is o.k. with masturbation (and the filming of masturbation in order to provide material for someone else to masturbate to) is an interesting question.

[RandFan]

Er, actually what we have discovered evidence of is that she personally engaged in masturbation. Whether her particular brand of Christianity is o.k. with masturbation (and the filming of masturbation in order to provide material for someone else to masturbate to) is an interesting question.Her comments have been directed to the conservative right. It's possible that she belongs to some Christian church that doesn't have a problem with public nudity (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/carrie-prejean-topless-ph_n_196817.html) and masturbation tapes sent to boyfriend but her audience by and large do have a problem with that.

[fuelair]

Report claims existence of 30 nude photos and 8 sex tapes of Carrie Prejean (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-30-nude-photos-8-sex-tapes-carrie-prejean-surface)

Why is it that beauty pageants are such prudes (hypocritical prudes) about their contestants? The discovery of nude photos or a sex tape is generally considered grounds for disqualification. But the whole point of a beauty pageant is to appeal to lust. I suppose that I understand it, based on traditional patriarchal notions of virtue, but I don't agree with it.

But, it is unfulfilled/unfulfillabe lust at stake - fulfillable, it's just another quickie.

[Meadmaker]

Pre-marital heterosexual sex.

Yes, it is hypocrisy.

I don't see it. She expressed an opinion about homosexual marriage. She didn't express any other opinion about any other element of human sexuality. Why is it that people expect someone who opposes gay marriage to go along with every other element of the rather old-fashioned attitudes toward sex and marriage?

I suppose you might say it's hypocritical because she has included Christianity as a reason for opposing gay marriage, but she has ignored other traditional teachings of Christianity with regard to sex. I suppose. It's a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

There is one area where I would agree with most of the people on this thread, though. Whatever Ms. Prejean's personal opinions may be, they really aren't worth listening to. She has a nice, albeit surgically enhanced, body and a pretty face, and for that we are supposed to care what she thinks?

And speaking of surgical enhancement, does anyone else think that beauty pageants ought to ban cosmetic surgery? Isn't a beauty pageant contestant with a boob job kind of like a baseball player taking steroids?

[Meadmaker]

Report claims existence of 30 nude photos and 8 sex tapes of Carrie Prejean (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-30-nude-photos-8-sex-tapes-carrie-prejean-surface)

Our society is so weird. Here's a quote from the article linked above:

It’s the most shocking turn yet in a scandal that has continued to follow the woman

Come now. Is anyone shocked? Is anyone scandalized? She took some naughty video and sent it to her boyfriend. That's scandalous? These days? I think it's pretty normal.

[tyr_13]

I don't see it. She expressed an opinion about homosexual marriage. She didn't express any other opinion about any other element of human sexuality. Why is it that people expect someone who opposes gay marriage to go along with every other element of the rather old-fashioned attitudes toward sex and marriage?

She didn't express those opinions about human sexuality at the pageant but has had amply opportunity to do so since. Her support of 'moral conservative women' and their stances, such as Misses Palin, are a fairly strong indication on her views as such.


I suppose you might say it's hypocritical because she has included Christianity as a reason for opposing gay marriage, but she has ignored other traditional teachings of Christianity with regard to sex. I suppose. It's a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

I wouldn't call that a stretch. Personally I love to point out to people who use Christianity as a reason to oppose gay marriage things like stoning to death people who work on Sunday.


There is one area where I would agree with most of the people on this thread, though. Whatever Ms. Prejean's personal opinions may be, they really aren't worth listening to. She has a nice, albeit surgically enhanced, body and a pretty face, and for that we are supposed to care what she thinks?

I know this sounds stupid, but while I don't care what she thinks, I care that other people do, and use it as an example. If she's billed as a 'persecuted social conservative' by someone, I want to be able to point out exactly why she is no such thing.


And speaking of surgical enhancement, does anyone else think that beauty pageants ought to ban cosmetic surgery? Isn't a beauty pageant contestant with a boob job kind of like a baseball player taking steroids?

I've never understood that either. Why even have the contest, unless it is a contest between plastic surgeons?

[Perfume V]

Come now. Is anyone shocked? Is anyone scandalized? She took some naughty video and sent it to her boyfriend. That's scandalous? These days? I think it's pretty normal.

This is probably a bit kneejerk, but my default suspicion whenever a celebrity has a sex tape 'leaked' is that they've done it themselves to prop up their flagging profile. Because it is always Z-listers, isn't it? And I just find it hard to believe people haven't learned that this will happen by now.

[RandFan]

I don't see it.She is pandering to the crowd that is against masturbation, pre-marital sex, pornography, etc., etc..

I see it.

[CptColumbo]

She is pandering to the crowd that is against masturbation, pre-marital sex, pornography, etc., etc..

I see it.You've seen a crowd doing all that!? Ewwww.

[Cicero]

Which has zero to do with the fact that she is nauseating in her poor poor pitiful me routine. Which is the subject of the discussion at hand.

Well, one could say your over the top indignation about Prajean's gay marriage opinion is no less nauseating.


If the shoe fits.

For someone who accuses Prajean of speaking intolerance, you demonstrate equal fluency.

Same as John Kerry. Same as Edward. It's an effective wedge issue. Obama's stance is cowardly and cynical. I understand it from a political POV. But I condemn the position as unenlightened and pandering.

You voted for a coward and a cynic for POTUS? Obama was just being politically expedient, but Prejean honestly believes what she says about gay marriage? Explain how Obama is unenlightened in worldly matters as compared to yourself? Who has more impact on and influence over American society, Obama or Prejean?

If she said she didn't think Christians had the right to marry I would think that she is a bigoted bitch. And I'm an atheist.

You work hard at your belief of atheism. You also use the same language that Perez Hilton used to attack Prejean. Had she won, would you have snatched the crown off her head as well? She didn't say that gays do not have a right to marry, she did say:

"I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman."

Do you have evidence that she voted "yes" on Prop 8? Has she made any effort to deny gays the right to marry? Didn't Clinton already take care of that with the 1996 DOMA?

[RandFan]

Well, one could say your over the top indignation about Prajean's gay marriage opinion is no less nauseating. One can say anything.

For someone who accuses Prajean of speaking intolerance, you demonstrate equal fluency.
It's true. I'm not very tolerant of bigotry. That includes Obama's and anyone elses.

You voted for a coward and a cynic for POTUS?I've yet to meet a perfect presidential candidate.

Obama was just being politically expedient, but Prejean honestly believes what she says about gay marriage? Explain how Obama is unenlightened in worldly matters as compared to yourself? Who has more impact on and influence over American society, Obama or Prejean? I don't think Obama is unenlightened. I think he pandered to ensure he got the job. I don't know that though. I had to pick between two people. I chose what I thought was the best candidate.

She didn't say that gays do not have a right to marry, she did say:

"I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman."{sigh} Had she said that she believed that mariage should be between men and women who are not Christian then I would think she is a bigoted bitch.

[fuelair]

You've seen a crowd doing all that!? Ewwww.

Two words cover it: Boo Kokky.:D

[Meadmaker]

She didn't express those opinions about human sexuality at the pageant but has had amply opportunity to do so since. Her support of 'moral conservative women' and their stances, such as Misses Palin, are a fairly strong indication on her views as such.



Are they? Again, I don't see it. Has she actually spoken out against anything in particular other than gay marriage? I haven't followed what she says all that closely, but in what I have seen, she doesn't strike me as prudish, either in word or deed. I think there are a lot of invalid inferences being drawn about her support for conservative women.

If someone supports Sarah Palin, but is sexually promiscuous, is that a hypocritical stance? If not, I don't see any reason to say that Carrie Prejean is being a hypocrite.

[tyr_13]

Are they? Again, I don't see it. Has she actually spoken out against anything in particular other than gay marriage? I haven't followed what she says all that closely, but in what I have seen, she doesn't strike me as prudish, either in word or deed. I think there are a lot of invalid inferences being drawn about her support for conservative women.

If someone supports Sarah Palin, but is sexually promiscuous, is that a hypocritical stance? If not, I don't see any reason to say that Carrie Prejean is being a hypocrite.

Don't be so obtuse. Miss Prejean is an evangelical Christian, and attended Liberty University, which you might recognize from their banning of the College Democrats and their support of Young Earth Creationism. It also bans students from, among other things viewing sexually explicit material. How do you think they view someone creating sexually explicit material? She has made her faith very clear, and that faith's view of sexuality and sexually explicit material is clear.

Perhaps she really doesn't believe any of the things she has professed to, been raised to believe, and affirmed when she signed her college's code of conduct. Otherwise she's a hypocrite. Just because she hasn't explicitly said that creating pornography isn't right does not mean that we can not reasonably infer that that is her supposed stance.

[Meadmaker]

Don't be so obtuse. Miss Prejean is an evangelical Christian, and attended Liberty University, which you might recognize from their banning of the College Democrats and their support of Young Earth Creationism. It also bans students from, among other things viewing sexually explicit material. How do you think they view someone creating sexually explicit material? She has made her faith very clear, and that faith's view of sexuality and sexually explicit material is clear.

Perhaps she really doesn't believe any of the things she has professed to, been raised to believe, and affirmed when she signed her college's code of conduct. Otherwise she's a hypocrite. Just because she hasn't explicitly said that creating pornography isn't right does not mean that we can not reasonably infer that that is her supposed stance.

According to Wikipedia, she attended San Diego Christian College. She was a speaker at Liberty University, and they made a public offer for her to attend on a full scholarship.

I think the charges of hypocrisy are based on the fact that she is an unapologetic Christian. If you want to insist every Christian who is not a virgin when he or she gets married is a hypocrite, I suppose I see your point. Certainly Christianity is going through some troubles sorting out its own attitudes toward sexuality, as it becomes obvious that the traditional teachings on sexuality are utterly disregarded by modern Christians. The churches are having a difficult time, wanting to stick to the inherited traditions, but still function in a modern world, which is not an easy task. If you want to call that hypocrisy, then Carrie Prejean and 99% of all other Christians are hypocrites. That's an awful lot of hypocrites.

Of course, holding Christians to one standard and others to a different standard might be considered hypocritical as well. We all live with a certain degree of cognitive dissonance within our beliefs, and our stated view of ideal behavior is rarely 100% in line with our own actual behavior. If that makes someone a hypocrite, Ms. Prejean is indeed a hypocrite, and most kettles are indeed black.

[Meadmaker]

Further thought: I think the real hypocrisy here is on the part of Christian groups who initially embraced Ms. Prejean as a spokesperson and example, but later dropper her like a hot rock. She is every bit as much a Christian as she was at the Miss USA pageant. She still appears to embrace exactly the same values that she expressed at the time. The only thing that has changed is that there video evidence that she's really pretty much a modern young woman whose sexual attitudes are pretty much mainstream, and not something out of a 1950s TV show.

[Neally]

One can say anything.

It's true. I'm not very tolerant of bigotry. That includes Obama's and anyone elses.

Are you tolerant of intolerance or are you intolerant of intolerance?

[RandFan]

Are you tolerant of intolerance or are you intolerant of intolerance?It's not an easy question to answer.

I'm generally intolerant of actions and behavior that unnecessarily cause harm, offense or distress. However, I defend the right of anyone to cause offense or distress through speech. If I say that I'm intolerant of hypocrites it does not mean that I want them silenced. It just means I have no respect for their view.

[Lucian]

Further thought: I think the real hypocrisy here is on the part of Christian groups who initially embraced Ms. Prejean as a spokesperson and example, but later dropper her like a hot rock. She is every bit as much a Christian as she was at the Miss USA pageant. She still appears to embrace exactly the same values that she expressed at the time. The only thing that has changed is that there video evidence that she's really pretty much a modern young woman whose sexual attitudes are pretty much mainstream, and not something out of a 1950s TV show.

There is certainly some truth in this. A number of groups, such as Focus on Family, were happy to glom on to Prejean simply because she gave a semi-coherent answer that fit one of their core beliefs. She, however, was quite willing, if not eager, to become their spokesmodel if it meant staying in the spotlight.

[Cicero]

It's not an easy question to answer.

I'm generally intolerant of actions and behavior that unnecessarily cause harm, offense or distress. However, I defend the right of anyone to cause offense or distress through speech. If I say that I'm intolerant of hypocrites it does not mean that I want them silenced. It just means I have no respect for their view.

Have you always been a vociferous proponent of gay marriage?

[RandFan]

Have you always been a vociferous proponent of gay marriage?On the contrary. When I came to this forum I argued against it. It wasn't until I realized that I simply could not come up with a logically valid argument against it that I changed my mind. Over time I realized that opposition to gay marriage was just as ugly as those who are in opposition to interracial marriage.

[Bill Thompson]

They agreed not to talk about the case settlement and they also agreed not to take any phone calls. Larry King was breaking the rules.

[Cicero]

On the contrary. When I came to this forum I argued against it. It wasn't until I realized that I simply could not come up with a logically valid argument against it that I changed my mind. Over time I realized that opposition to gay marriage was just as ugly as those who are in opposition to interracial marriage.

Before you came to his JREF induced epiphany, what were the illogical arguments that you used to defend your old position on gay marriage that must have existsed for decades? And did being called pejoratives by those with contray opinions make you more amenable to their side?

[RandFan]

Before you came to his JREF induced epiphany, what were the illogical arguments that you used to defend your old position on gay marriage that must have existsed for decades?I should point out that I used to call talk radio. I've gotten on at least a half dozen shows to make my argument. I don't remember them all. Slippery slope (what's to keep people from marrying their dogs). Some where religious.

And did being called pejoratives by those with contray opinions make you more amenable to their side? I started a thread on this forum (before politics was divided). It was a rather long one. There was some heated exchanges. I said some mean things and others said mean things to me. This was before the rules demanded civility.

They didn't change my mind at first, of course not, but yeah, I think in the long run they helped. I'm not sure that they are always the best strategy but sometimes we need to be shaken up. Of course in this instance I'm not speaking to Prejean. When public leaders act boorishly (IMO) then I reserve the right to ridicule them in the harshest words possible. I did not agree with the Monica Lewinsky investigation but I called Clinton plenty of awful names. I don't have a problem with attacking public figures. Especially ones that pander to the worst of our instincts. I think Prejean is a very easy target. She's clearly a hypocrite. She's also an idiot. I can excuse that so long as she's just trying to win beauty pageants but when she speaks out as if her celebrity gives her some kind of gravitas then I will attack her as easily as I attack Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand (where is Babs BTW?).

Beauty may only be skin deep but stupidity goes to the bone.

[GreNME]

It's not an easy question to answer.

I'm generally intolerant of actions and behavior that unnecessarily cause harm, offense or distress. However, I defend the right of anyone to cause offense or distress through speech. If I say that I'm intolerant of hypocrites it does not mean that I want them silenced. It just means I have no respect for their view.

Well put, RandFan.

[tyr_13]

According to Wikipedia, she attended San Diego Christian College. She was a speaker at Liberty University, and they made a public offer for her to attend on a full scholarship.

Ah, my mistake. I should learn to check Wikipedia when relying on my own memory.


I think the charges of hypocrisy are based on the fact that she is an unapologetic Christian. If you want to insist every Christian who is not a virgin when he or she gets married is a hypocrite, I suppose I see your point. Certainly Christianity is going through some troubles sorting out its own attitudes toward sexuality, as it becomes obvious that the traditional teachings on sexuality are utterly disregarded by modern Christians. The churches are having a difficult time, wanting to stick to the inherited traditions, but still function in a modern world, which is not an easy task. If you want to call that hypocrisy, then Carrie Prejean and 99% of all other Christians are hypocrites. That's an awful lot of hypocrites.

Of course, holding Christians to one standard and others to a different standard might be considered hypocritical as well. We all live with a certain degree of cognitive dissonance within our beliefs, and our stated view of ideal behavior is rarely 100% in line with our own actual behavior. If that makes someone a hypocrite, Ms. Prejean is indeed a hypocrite, and most kettles are indeed black.

Actually, that's exactly what I'm saying. We are all hypocrites to one degree or another. However, the hypocrisy from Christians around sexuality is causing harm right now, and thus I speak against it. Prejean believes that gay couples shouldn't get married because that is the way she was raised and it meshes with her Christian beliefs. But those same Christian beliefs condemn what she has done as well. So it's alright for her to violate her own beliefs, but it isn't alright for someone else to violate her beliefs.

It's the same 'pick and choose' cognitive dissidence that I love to point out about stoning to death people who work on Sundays. Why don't Christians want that? Why aren't there laws against working on Sunday? Why don't they demand that Wal-Mart close on Sunday? Yet they do demand that other people can't get married because their book might say something about it.

It's complicated and I actually don't begrudge Miss Perjean her answer on the show. It's her actions after, including suing for being fired after she had already breached her contract at least three different ways and becoming whining about being 'Palinized' that I take more issue with.

[RandFan]

We all live with a certain degree of cognitive dissonance within our beliefs, and our stated view of ideal behavior is rarely 100% in line with our own actual behavior. If that makes someone a hypocrite, Ms. Prejean is indeed a hypocrite, and most kettles are indeed black.I'm not perfect. I know this, I don't mind someone using strong language to point out when I'm being a hipochrite.

I can honestly say that the dissonance in my life has quieted a lot since coming to JREF. When I feel dissonance I usually devote time to soul searching and trying to imagine that I hold an opposite opinion. I don't like to feel dissonance. For that reason dissonance led me away from religion and has changed many of my positions. That includes my position on gay marriage. Many times on this forum I've stated that I had changed my mind. It didn't come easy. I'm not wishy washy. I argue passionably in favor of my beliefs. However, if my arguments for a particular proposition trouble me then I pay extra attention to the arguments against the proposition.

I highly recomend the method. It's brought me much relief. Though to be sure it's kinda scarry at first. You have to think to yourself, "what if I'm wrong"?

[Darth Rotor]

You have to think to yourself, "what if I'm wrong"?
If Carrie Prejean naked is wrong, I don't want to be right. :cool:

All silly jokes aside, that was a nice post.

DR

[fishbob]

It's not an easy question to answer.

I'm generally intolerant of actions and behavior that unnecessarily cause harm, offense or distress. However, I defend the right of anyone to cause offense or distress through speech. If I say that I'm intolerant of hypocrites it does not mean that I want them silenced. It just means I have no respect for their view.

Here. You can borrow my sig.

[GanipGnop]

I love how this moron reconciles her Boob job and her Christian beliefs

"No, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting breast implants as a Christian. I think it's a personal decision. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says you shouldn't get breast implants".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/carrie-prejean-the-bible_n_355745.html

So she's never heard of the sin of vanity or pride! What this ditz is saying to God with her boob job is that she knows better that her "creator'' how she should look. Maybe God wanted her to have little tits so she wouldn't get embroiled in all this controversy.

[Darth Rotor]

I love how this moron reconciles her Boob job and her Christian beliefs

"No, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting breast implants as a Christian. I think it's a personal decision. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says you shouldn't get breast implants".
Her Doctor of Divinity diploma is doubtless in the mail ... I don't recall any references to boob jobs in the Bible either. :p
So she's never heard of the sin of vanity or pride!
Careful, are you sure that the "seven deadly sins" you refer to are listed in the Bible? (That said, I think she has haughty eyes ...)
;) Hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

You may be right: she may not grasp the nuances of the pride and vanity matter. FFS, she's a beauty pageant queen! :cool:
What this ditz is saying to God with her boob job is that she knows better that her "creator'' how she should look. Maybe God wanted her to have little tits so she wouldn't get embroiled in all this controversy.
Maybe God is laughing at the funny things this little creation of His is doing.

(See my sig, the Chesterton bit ...)

Maybe God didn't mind the plastic surgeon making a few more buck that month ...

DR

[GanipGnop]

Do you think God's a Boob man because I'd really like to think that. :)

[Darth Rotor]

Do you think God's a Boob man because I'd really like to think that. :)

Bettin' the over.

[BenBurch]

Word is that there is ANOTHER sex tape floating around - how many did she MAKE?

[LostMetroid88]

Word is that there is ANOTHER sex tape floating around - how many did she MAKE?

According to Prejean's ex-boyfriend, there's fifteen to twenty videos. She also asked him to lie and say that she was only seventeen, when she was actually twenty.

www [dot] tmz [dot] com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=f9926aab-e177-4ac4-a5e2-1df020451527

Even is she was only seventeen, could they charge her for child porn?

[Neally]

They agreed not to talk about the case settlement and they also agreed not to take any phone calls. Larry King was breaking the rules.That may be, but there was still stupidity on both sides. First Larry's question was stupid-"Why did you settle?" then Carries response was way out of proportion and could have simply been, "Both parties thought it was in their best interest".

[BenBurch]

According to Prejean's ex-boyfriend, there's fifteen to twenty videos. She also asked him to lie and say that she was only seventeen, when she was actually twenty.

www [dot] tmz [dot] com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=f9926aab-e177-4ac4-a5e2-1df020451527

Even is she was only seventeen, could they charge her for child porn?

YES.

You can be charged for taking porn of an adult and presenting it as porn of an underage teen.

[Bill Thompson]

She wrote a book folks. At least that's what we are supposed to believe.

Whatever happened to the likes of William F. Buckley? Are all conservative icons going to forever be attractive on the outside and idiot on the inside?
William F. Buckley is an idiot? I don't know much about him but didn't he go speak at colleges. Colleges in the USA invite idiots to give speaches?

Or do you just think he is an idiot because you disgaree with him.

I don't agree with Carrie Prejean. And I first thought she was just stupid in the LKL interview but then I heard she had told them she would not discuss the court case or take phone calls.

You brake the rules, people get pissed off.

[Bill Thompson]

That may be, but there was still stupidity on both sides. First Larry's question was stupid-"Why did you settle?" then Carries response was way out of proportion and could have simply been, "Both parties thought it was in their best interest".

By the way, are necons fearful of Larry King because he is considered a liberal? Maybe she had he guard up.

[SezMe]

You brake the rules, people get pissed off.
What happens when you accelerate the rules?

[Matthew Best]

People get pissed on?

[Corsair 115]

By the way, are necons fearful of Larry King because he is considered a liberal?


The only thing to fear about Larry King is his utterly abysmal interviewing skills. Seriously, how does someone that incompetent and unskilled keep his job?

[Whiplash]

Tenure.

[Meadmaker]

The only thing to fear about Larry King is his utterly abysmal interviewing skills. Seriously, how does someone that incompetent and unskilled keep his job?

I've often wondered that. I don't find him the least bit entertaining, or insightful. Somebody must, I guess.

[RandFan]

William F. Buckley is an idiot? No. Why do you ask?

Or do you just think he is an idiot because you disgaree with him.
What are you talking about? I don't think Buckley is an idiot.

[Darth Rotor]

No. Why do you ask?

What are you talking about? I don't think Buckley is an idiot.

I think WF Buckley is dead, but maybe the news was wrong on that as well. :boggled: