Sexy Sarah, what have you done?

[Tricky]

"Oh dearie me. I'm being exploited by sexists. The latest cover of Newsweek (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/17/palin-slams-sexist-newsweek-cover/)shows me in some hotpants that I donned for a photoshoot for Runner's World. I never dreamed that they would sell that picture to anybody else. Mean ol' Mainstream Media!

No! don't look! It's too sexist. Don't anybody look at me in that provocative pose, even though it might sell a few more of my books. I'm not interested in making money through tawdry publicity! There's probably some more revealing pictures inside, but don't look at those either!"

[ponderingturtle]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?

[Madalch]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?
Where is that vomiting smiley?

[TriskettheKid]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?

Too elitist.

So's Penthouse.

Maybe Hustler.

[Tricky]

Too elitist.

So's Penthouse.

Maybe Hustler.
All three take only a limited, pulchritudinous approach in exploiting women. Why not the magazine that exploits every facet of womanhood?

Cosmopolitan.

[plumjam]

"Oh dearie me. I'm being exploited by sexists. The latest cover of Newsweek (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/17/palin-slams-sexist-newsweek-cover/)shows me in some hotpants that I donned for a photoshoot for Runner's World. I never dreamed that they would sell that picture to anybody else. Mean ol' Mainstream Media!

No! don't look! It's too sexist. Don't anybody look at me in that provocative pose, even though it might sell a few more of my books. I'm not interested in making money through tawdry publicity! There's probably some more revealing pictures inside, but don't look at those either!"

Tricky, as a mod, you better than anyone should know you're not supposed to let others (even girlfriends and mistresses) use your account.

[Thunder]

take the glasses off, and she is one hot mamma!!! I'd hit that.

[ponderingturtle]

take the glasses off, and she is one hot mamma!!! I'd hit that.

Don't forget the gag, or she might talk and ruin the mood.

[ProbeX]

Where is that vomiting smiley?

She certainly is sexy whiny for her age.

[Thunder]

Don't forget the gag, or she might talk and ruin the mood.

i could say something very nasty, but I won't. I'm a nice boy.

:)

[ponderingturtle]

i could say something very nasty, but I won't. I'm a nice boy.

:)

ANd I should expect a nice boy to have the requisite gag?

[Ohmer]

take the glasses off, and she is one hot mamma!!! I'd hit that.

One hot grandmamma.

[ProbeX]

One hot grandmamma.

Deuced.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?

Dec 2012

[the_eye]

God, she's Stupid. It boggles the mind on how this woman can read, let alone become the Governor of Alaska.

[Whiplash]

I've already said that I do not support her anymore, and think her stunt of leaving the governorship was just that.. a stunt.

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.

Some clearly cannot find enough bad things to say about her, even in the best of times. Let it out of your system. Take a big deep breath. It's ok, she's not ever going to be elected to anything more important than some low level congresswoman at best. Relax.

[Upchurch]

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.
OR, and try to follow me on this one, we view her as a living, breathing joke. She is the gift that keeps on giving.

Some clearly cannot find enough bad things to say about her, even in the best of times. Let it out of your system. Take a big deep breath. It's ok, she's not ever going to be elected to anything more important than some low level congresswoman at best. Relax.
Aw... whatever makes you feel better champ.

[Redtail]

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.



Using that logic America is scared poopless of Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears Micheal Jackson, etc...

Sometimes train wrecks are funny.

[the_eye]

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her.

The "left" isn't a Monolithic entity.

Besides, Sarah Palin is merely a symptom of the Anti-intellectual culture of some political groups in America.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I've already said that I do not support her anymore, and think her stunt of leaving the governorship was just that.. a stunt.

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.

Some clearly cannot find enough bad things to say about her, even in the best of times. Let it out of your system. Take a big deep breath. It's ok, she's not ever going to be elected to anything more important than some low level congresswoman at best. Relax.

As a conservative, I don't think I can speak for the "left", but I suspect their "complete obsession" has more to do with comedy than fear.

Palin is an embarrassment to conservatives.

[Peephole]

For being such a crazy/maverick/rogue/independent/tough Alaskan, Sarah Palin sure whines a lot.
pulchritudinous
I have learned a new word today.

[Tricky]

The "left" isn't a Monolithic entity.

Besides, Sarah Palin is merely a symptom of the Anti-intellectual culture of some political groups in America.
Well I'm on the left and I'm obsessed with her. I follow her every move. I find myself saying, "Oh please stay on the scene, Sarah. You are the most wonderful politician of the last twenty years. You are more than eye candy, though you are that too, to be sure. You are the savior of the Democratic Party. Say something. Anything. I sit with bated breath awaiting your next pronouncement. Not since Dan Quayle have I felt this way about a politician, and you're prettier than him. Marginally."

I'm so obsessed, I was in the doctors waiting room today and there were only trash magazines. But I saw a familiar face and I picked it up. For the first time, probably in my whole life, I read an entire article in People. I need help.

[the_eye]

Well I'm on the left and I'm obsessed with her. I follow her every move. I find myself saying, "Oh please stay on the scene, Sarah. You are the most wonderful politician of the last twenty years. You are more than eye candy, though you are that too, to be sure. You are the savior of the Democratic Party. Say something. Anything. I sit with bated breath awaiting your next pronouncement. Not since Dan Quayle have I felt this way about a politician, and you're prettier than him. Marginally."

I'm so obsessed, I was in the doctors waiting room today and there were only trash magazines. But I saw a familiar face and I picked it up. For the first time, probably in my whole life, I read an entire article in People. I need help.

I certainly find the Palin Train Wreck entertaining, our Pollies are Dry and Bland.

[Darth Rotor]

"Oh dearie me. I'm being exploited by sexists. The latest cover of Newsweek (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/17/palin-slams-sexist-newsweek-cover/)shows me in some hotpants that I donned for a photoshoot for Runner's World. I never dreamed that they would sell that picture to anybody else. Mean ol' Mainstream Media!

No! don't look! It's too sexist. Don't anybody look at me in that provocative pose, even though it might sell a few more of my books. I'm not interested in making money through tawdry publicity! There's probably some more revealing pictures inside, but don't look at those either!"
One word on that Newsweek cover:

Photoshop

Remember the "slimmed down" Couric? ;)

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Dec 2012

Is that date before or after the Earth is destroyed?

[Tricky]

I certainly find the Palin Train Wreck entertaining, our Pollies are Dry and Bland.
Yeah, but we can't hold a candle to France and Italy. I think they may have even had a "candle scandal".

[johnny karate]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?

I'm not sure the Book of Revelations gives any exact dates, but I would say somewhere between the swarm of locusts and the oceans turning to blood.

[Upchurch]

Well I'm on the left and I'm obsessed with her. I follow her every move. I find myself saying, "Oh please stay on the scene, Sarah. You are the most wonderful politician of the last twenty years. You are more than eye candy, though you are that too, to be sure. You are the savior of the Democratic Party. Say something. Anything. I sit with bated breath awaiting your next pronouncement.
Oh gawd, yes.

In my heart of hearts, I would love for her to run for President so that we could have a full election cycle of hilarity with her. It would be an awful in terms of the fulfillment of democracy, but it would so entertaining.

[dudalb]

Dec 2012

As President Elect or a sign that the Mayans were right and the end of the world is nigh?

[Thunder]

Well I'm on the left and I'm obsessed with her. I follow her every move. I find myself saying, "Oh please stay on the scene, Sarah. You are the most wonderful politician of the last twenty years. You are more than eye candy, though you are that too, to be sure. You are the savior of the Democratic Party. Say something. Anything.

and she got some hot thighs!!!!!

[Puppycow]

Oh gawd, yes.

In my heart of hearts, I would love for her to run for President so that we could have a full election cycle of hilarity with her. It would be an awful in terms of the fulfillment of democracy, but it would so entertaining.

I think she got fed up with elected office, which is why she quit her governorship. Running for governor in Alaska is one thing, but I doubt she wants to go back under the microscope of running for president again. Besides, she can make money and stay famous by having a ghostwriter write books for her and giving speeches.

[quarky]

Wow. I clicked the link. I'm surprised how mild the picture is. Its baffling that she brought attention to it as sexploitation...unless its all calculated...which is also a baffling prospect.

Even the straightest, blue-haired republican church ladies I know would be un-offended by that cover shot. There's zero cleavage! Think to come of it, i don't think I've ever seen a hint of her tits. The hottie-prude angle? Is that what she's working?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Is that date before or after the Earth is destroyed?

Same day

[The Central Scrutinizer]

As President Elect or a sign that the Mayans were right and the end of the world is nigh?

As a sign that she needs the money

[Dr Adequate]

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her. The idea that laughter betrays fear is is one of the most risible and persistent delusions of the right. Risible, because it betrays a willful blindness to the bleedin' obvious; and persistent because there are lots of clowns on the right and people giggle at all of them.

It is also rather useful: a wingnut, once persuaded of this doctrine, will therefore support the most clownish candidates and the most idiotic tactics --- being under the further delusion that in a democracy striking fear into the hearts of the electorate is the road to victory.

[Tricky]

Wow. I clicked the link. I'm surprised how mild the picture is. Its baffling that she brought attention to it as sexploitation...unless its all calculated...which is also a baffling prospect.
Even without cleavage, definitely sexy. But what is truly baffling is how she can call this exploitation. Did somebody force her into those pants and make her pose for that picture? If there's sexploitation going on here, she's definitely in on it.

[Thunder]

If there's sexploitation going on here, she's definitely in on it.


wait, are you suggesting the naughty pic, and her disgust of it, may be an...

INSIDE JOB????

;)

[quarky]

I think I love her.

[Thunder]

I think I love her.

I am a Jew...so she wants to have my baby. :)

[hgc]

As a conservative, I don't think I can speak for the "left", but I suspect their "complete obsession" has more to do with comedy than fear.

Palin is an embarrassment to conservatives.


An embarrassment to us all. Something is sick in our body politic if such a charletan can rise so near to the center of power.

[Corsair 115]

Bets on when she is in Playboy?


Won't happen. She'd quit halfway through the photoshoot. :D

[BenBurch]

The porn star Lisa Ann has made quite a lot of money playing Ms. Palin in several Hustler features, BTW.

[sugarb]

All three take only a limited, pulchritudinous approach in exploiting women. Why not the magazine that exploits every facet of womanhood?

Cosmopolitan.

No, no, no. Cosmo teaches us how to manipulate men! How DARE you call that exploitation!

[sugarb]

Well I'm on the left and I'm obsessed with her. I follow her every move. I find myself saying, "Oh please stay on the scene, Sarah. You are the most wonderful politician of the last twenty years. You are more than eye candy, though you are that too, to be sure. You are the savior of the Democratic Party. Say something. Anything. I sit with bated breath awaiting your next pronouncement. Not since Dan Quayle have I felt this way about a politician, and you're prettier than him. Marginally."

I'm so obsessed, I was in the doctors waiting room today and there were only trash magazines. But I saw a familiar face and I picked it up. For the first time, probably in my whole life, I read an entire article in People. I need help.

See? Cosmo works. Sarah's got you.

[Tricky]

No, no, no. Cosmo teaches us how to manipulate men! How DARE you call that exploitation!
True, but the the way they suggest you manipulate them is through the purchase of expensive face coverings, age-denial creams, mechanical hoisting and squeezing devices, and chemical attractants. I don't know how anyone can afford to be a woman.

[Brainster]

Well, this certainly will go down as one of the JREF forums' greatest threads of all time:

Bets on when she is in Playboy?

Too elitist.

So's Penthouse.

Maybe Hustler.

take the glasses off, and she is one hot mamma!!! I'd hit that.

Don't forget the gag, or she might talk and ruin the mood.

God, she's Stupid. It boggles the mind on how this woman can read, let alone become the Governor of Alaska.

Sexist claptrap like that makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.

ETA: Kudos to Media Matters for their take on the Newsweek cover (http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911170027). Yes, it is classic sexism, and apparently the inside of the magazine is even worse.

[ponderingturtle]

Sexist claptrap like that makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.

Do you understand that having a low opinion of one woman does not make someone sexist? You can hate OJ Simpson and not be a racist.

This whole thread is about how she is a media whore. She posed to photos and then objects to them being used?

You could make an arguement that this is based on her political opinions and you would be correct. But people talk about attractive celebrities in this way. So what is she is a politician? I am sure you could find women talking about how hot Obama is if you looked for it.

[quarky]

My wife would totally do Obama.

[daredelvis]

Well, this certainly will go down as one of the JREF forums' greatest threads of all time:
Sexist claptrap like that makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.

ETA: Kudos to Media Matters for their take on the Newsweek cover (http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911170027). Yes, it is classic sexism, and apparently the inside of the magazine is even worse.

I must have missed your outraged post over in the Nancy Pelosi thread.

Daredelvis

[Dr Adequate]

Sexist claptrap like that makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum. Ooh, "political correctness".

(Yes, actually, I agree with you to a certain extent.)

On the other hand, so far as the photo on the cover of Newsweek goes ... what? It's not like the image was stolen by a paparazzo using a long-lens camera when she thought she was in private, otherwise I should be the first to condemn it. She deliberately posed like that, in order to be photographed like that --- but now we should all cry "sexism" because the same picture that she approved has now been used to illustrate an article which is critical of her?

And it is certainly not "sexist" to suggest that she's an idiot to agree to pose for those photographs and not realize that they might be used in a hostile sense. She's a politician, and she has advisers --- she still thought that that was a good idea?

[Morrigan]

Can anyone explain to me how Newsweek was in the wrong here? Palin posed for this photo herself. Unless the photo was meant to be private and they published it without her permission (in which case, she needs to sue the hell out of them for sure), but otherwise, she's completely responsible for it.

[Brainster]

Well, well, it looks like some liberals are willing to see the sexism in the Newsweek cover.

Echidne of the Snakes (http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html#2898141674025659503):

The list of explosive topics for feminist bloggers is slightly different than for, say, progressive bloggers in general. And no, I'm not going to give you the list because that would get the yelling started. But one of those topics certainly is the way Sarah Palin is treated in the political media and on various political blogs. The debate on her is predictable: Some (poor dear) feminist blogger points out that her treatment contains large chunks of sexist smearing. Then others note that Sarah is trading on her sexuality so she deserves the sexualized responses. Or that she's too stoopid for words and has such horrible politics that we really should dump everything possible on her head. Including misogyny, whenever appropriate.

Boy, does that fit most of the comments in this thread or what?

Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/gamming-up-works-by-digby-joan-walsh.html):

Joan Walsh was just on MSNBC this morning arguing that it was sexist to put Palin on the cover of Newsweek in her running shorts, when she obviously didn't pose in that particular outfit for that particular cover. Others on the show disagreed, saying that Palin just happens to be a politician who has nice legs. I think Joan is right, especially considering what is being said about the Palin Phenomenon among the village media in general:

Will Bunch (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Things_that_could_make_your_head_explode.html):

Did you ever think you'd live to see the day that the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters for America criticized a mainstream media outlet for being too hard on...Sarah Palin? Me neither, but I think they're right on the money in ripping Newsweek for a string of sexist -- and bizarrely so -- photos that illustrate its new cover story on the woman who was nearly our vice president. I've posted the controversial cover up top but you need to click through and see two really weird pictures from inside the mag.

I agree; Newsweek might have gotten away with the cover photo if it hadn't been for the "slutty schoolgirl doll" photo inside the mag.

Kudos to the liberals having the sense to stand up for what's right even if it means coming to the defense of "stoopid" Sarah. Boos to the JREF forum members who can't.

[DJW]

Can anyone explain to me how Newsweek was in the wrong here? Palin posed for this photo herself. Unless the photo was meant to be private and they published it without her permission (in which case, she needs to sue the hell out of them for sure), but otherwise, she's completely responsible for it.


IIRC--She posed for that photo for a cycling magazine. Panties might be getting bunched up because Newsweek decided to use that picture while commenting on something other than her physical fitness. I don't really care one way or the other, but I hope that info is helpful in some way.

[Dr Adequate]

Well, well, it looks like some liberals are willing to see the sexism in the Newsweek cover.

Echidne of the Snakes (http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html#2898141674025659503):

Boy, does that fit most of the comments in this thread or what? Er ... insofar as the sole purpose of that paragraph was to list the most common attitudes to this story, then maybe it does.

They missed me, but then I guess I'm kinda special.

I wonder why you didn't quote the rest of that post?

I agree; Newsweek might have gotten away with the cover photo if it hadn't been for the "slutty schoolgirl doll" photo inside the mag. True. I've not seen the context, but I think that's rather low.

[Dr Adequate]

Well, well, it looks like some liberals are willing to see the sexism in the Newsweek cover. I agree; Newsweek might have gotten away with the cover photo if it hadn't been for the "slutty schoolgirl doll" photo inside the mag. Ah, make up your mind.

[Upchurch]

giggles (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_beck_2012_ticket/2009/11/17/287568.html)
Palin initially chuckled when Newsmax broached the idea. But then she had some serious words of praise for the popular Fox personality.

"I can envision a couple of different combinations, if ever I were to be in a position to really even seriously consider running for anything in the future, and I'm not there yet," Palin tells Newsmax. "But Glenn Beck I have great respect for. He's a hoot. He gets his message across in such a clever way. And he's so bold – I have to respect that. He calls it like he sees it, and he's very, very, very effective."

I would buy tickets to go see the Palin/Beck '12 Campaign Straight Talk Train Wreck.

[Darth Rotor]

giggles (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_beck_2012_ticket/2009/11/17/287568.html)
I would buy tickets to go see the Palin/Beck '12 Campaign Straight Talk Train Wreck.
In the interests of annoying Brainster for a moment here ...
"I can envision a couple of different combinations, if ever I were in a position ... Glenn Beck ... he's so bold – I ... like it ... very, very, very effective."

[MattusMaximus]

Best link EVER!!! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-3-2008/sarah-palin-gender-card) :D

The most relevant part begins at 2:45

[uruk]

The Republicans have discovered something the Democrats have known for a long time. Sex sells.


It's only a matter of time untill the swimsuit portion of the presidential election process gets the attention it deserves.

[sugarb]

True, but the the way they suggest you manipulate them is through the purchase of expensive face coverings, age-denial creams, mechanical hoisting and squeezing devices, and chemical attractants. I don't know how anyone can afford to be a woman.

Yeah, me either. I'm not very good at being female. Hoisting and squeezing, painting my face? Uh uh. Not for lack of money though, I just don't have the patience.

Hmm...maybe that's why Sarah needs to sell the book.

[Skeptic Guy]

We can only hope that they release the picture from the inside of the magazine.

[Papermache]

If asked, I would be happy to hoist and squeeze any females who lack the patience to do it themselves.

[Corsair 115]

Yeah, me either. I'm not very good at being female. Hoisting and squeezing, painting my face? Uh uh. Not for lack of money though, I just don't have the patience.


Kudos to you then. This particular male has always hated it when women wear makeup. Can't stand seeing the stuff, personally. Natural is a thousand times better. If women as a whole decided tomorrow to turn their backs on the cosmetics industry, I would applaud and enthusiastically endorse the decision.

[commandlinegamer]

Kudos to you then. This particular male has always hated it when women wear makeup. Can't stand seeing the stuff, personally. Natural is a thousand times better. If women as a whole decided tomorrow to turn their backs on the cosmetics industry, I would applaud and enthusiastically endorse the decision.

'We make her paint her face and dance' sang John Lennon. But the multi-billion dollar industry that is cosmetics and fashion I don't see disappearing any time soon. What sticks in my craw are those companies that try to paint themselves above the competition: like Dove emphasizing natural beauty - as long as you still use their products.

[the_eye]

Sexist claptrap like that makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.

How is what I said Sexist? It's true, she is dumber then a sack of Bricks.

[XBoxWarrior]

MILF; Sarah Palin.

[m_huber]

I'm not sure how the ankles shot is sexist. I've seen similar shots in magazines that have a man's pants and shoes; Palin is well known for wearing heels, so it is appropriate. As for the barbie doll, I would need to see context.

The fact that she has chosen to shamelessly market herself and keep herself in the national spotlight really opens her up for criticism, though. Palin actually was a model. People mock Arnold for being a movie star and Jesse Ventura for being a wrestler. Why not mock Palin for her looks? That is what she did before her political career.

[Redtail]

Well, well, it looks like some liberals are willing to see the sexism in the Newsweek cover.

Echidne of the Snakes (http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html#2898141674025659503):



Boy, does that fit most of the comments in this thread or what?

Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/gamming-up-works-by-digby-joan-walsh.html):



Will Bunch (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Things_that_could_make_your_head_explode.html):



I agree; Newsweek might have gotten away with the cover photo if it hadn't been for the "slutty schoolgirl doll" photo inside the mag.

Kudos to the liberals having the sense to stand up for what's right even if it means coming to the defense of "stoopid" Sarah. Boos to the JREF forum members who can't.

K. As long as you're booing the conservatives who make racist remarks against Obama.

[ponderingturtle]

How is what I said Sexist? It's true, she is dumber then a sack of Bricks.

It seems to be that we were considering her and describing her sexually. The insults were not based on her sex though.

[ponderingturtle]

K. As long as you're booing the conservatives who make racist remarks against Obama.

Or who made sexist remarks agains Hillary.

[daredelvis]

Or who made sexist remarks agains Hillary.
Or ageist remarks about Pelosi. Manufactured outrage much?

Daredelvis

[Brainster]

K. As long as you're booing the conservatives who make racist remarks against Obama.

I have consistently said that Beck's a moron. I despise the man.

[fishbob]

God, she's Stupid. It boggles the mind on how this woman can read, let alone become the Governor of Alaska.

She ran against Frank Murkowski in the primary and Tony Knowles in the general election. A pile of dried out moose droppings would have had a chance in those races.

[fishbob]

...unless its all calculated... ?

Ding ding ding - we have a winner.

[Almo]

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.

What?!? Hahah! I actually love how much publicity she's getting. I HOPE and PRAY she gets the GOP nomination for the next run. It would make them look so silly, and Obama would crush her in an election.

[fuelair]

I've already said that I do not support her anymore, and think her stunt of leaving the governorship was just that.. a stunt.

Yet I can't help but notice the complete obsession that the left still has with her. You guys don't seem to realize that you betray, clearly, that you fear her.

Some clearly cannot find enough bad things to say about her, even in the best of times. Let it out of your system. Take a big deep breath. It's ok, she's not ever going to be elected to anything more important than some low level congresswoman at best. Relax.

That last is what we hope, we fear because there are actually voters who would vote for her - and, given the ravening ignorance of those.........

[GreyICE]

Can we all quit it with the sexist BS? It was funny for like... um... 5 minutes. In 8th grade. Which apparently some of you missed the memo, but most of us left that (It's starting to look like some never graduated). Most of us are quite thankful.

There is an argument to be made that Palin alternatively plays up her sexuality, then turns around and criticizes the fact that her sexuality is played up. And if Newsweek had decided to focus on that, maybe that cover would have been justified.

They didn't, it wasn't. She's hypocritical in all sorts of ways, self-serving, and yes, I think she plays on her appearance more than a little sometimes. We can criticize that all we want without ever commenting on her appearance. Remember all the frikkin morons who made fun of Hillary because they didn't find her attractive? Yeah, you're the same. Idiots.

[leftysergeant]

It's only a matter of time untill the swimsuit portion of the presidential election process gets the attention it deserves.

And BHO will still kick Caribou Barbie's ass.

[Morrigan]

IIRC--She posed for that photo for a cycling magazine. Panties might be getting bunched up because Newsweek decided to use that picture while commenting on something other than her physical fitness. I don't really care one way or the other, but I hope that info is helpful in some way.

I see. If the picture was re-used from a different context without her permission, I would say she'd be right to be angry (and she might even have a legal case). However, if she posed for that cycling magazine, surely there were terms and conditions that explained the rights of distribution on that photo? If she agreed to them, then though. If she didn't know, maybe she should read fine print more correctly.

In any case, unless there was a specific copyright violation going on, I would say she's a big hypocrite.

[dudalb]

The porn star Lisa Ann has made quite a lot of money playing Ms. Palin in several Hustler features, BTW.


But not as much as Tina Fay has made off of Palin.......

[DJW]

I see. If the picture was re-used from a different context without her permission, I would say she'd be right to be angry (and she might even have a legal case). However, if she posed for that cycling magazine, surely there were terms and conditions that explained the rights of distribution on that photo? If she agreed to them, then though. If she didn't know, maybe she should read fine print more correctly.

In any case, unless there was a specific copyright violation going on, I would say she's a big hypocrite.


I looked through the link that Tricky had in the OP in which there was a comment that the photo was "lifted" from the cycle mag. I also checked out the cycle magazine article, but I can't tell if the pictures are copywritten. I still don't have an opinion either way about whether the picture is sexist in its use on the Newsweek cover.

The editor of Newsweek stated that the photo was in agreement with the article's assertions about Palin. Again, I can't seem to get worked up either way. I think it's a nice picture of her, and the cycle mag's article was positive, but I'm not sure why she thinks it's sexist on the cover of Newsweek.

[Earthborn]

I looked through the link that Tricky had in the OP in which there was a comment that the photo was "lifted" from the cycle mag. I also checked out the cycle magazine article,Really, you did that? Makes me wonder how you haven't noticed that the "cycle magazine" is called Runner's World, and oddly enough has very few bicycles in it.

[Redtail]

I have consistently said that Beck's a moron. I despise the man.

I know.

[Whiplash]

I just wanted to come to this thread to say that I'm sorry, I over-reacted a bit. For some reason, I have a knee jerkish defensive reaction for Mrs. Palin. While I do not think her to be at all bright, I do feel that she is genuine, and someone who is actually a "good" person underneath it all, and wants to do actual good. She's just deluded about a great many things and to whether they are good or not, I'll grant.

But I don't understand the way people want to tear her down so much. When she first appeared, I held her in a small bit of esteem. Because I honestly think she is a honorable and decent woman, and has accomplished some good things for herself. And I felt that reducing her to a simple waitress, airline stewardess, or whore, was wholly inappropriate.

I'm very close to finally getting out of this sub-forum for good. I don't want to further jepordize whatever good will I've gained from people in other places. I can't do anything about any of this stuff. I can't change any minds here. And while reading here often does make me think of things in different lights than I had before, it also drives me completely insane and knee jerk rant mode is never far behind.

I'm sorry.

[Tricky]

I just wanted to come to this thread to say that I'm sorry, I over-reacted a bit. For some reason, I have a knee jerkish defensive reaction for Mrs. Palin.
I did not think you overreacted. You're partisan. So am I.

While I do not think her to be at all bright, I do feel that she is genuine, and someone who is actually a "good" person underneath it all, and wants to do actual good. She's just deluded about a great many things and to whether they are good or not, I'll grant.
I agree with you about most of that. I do think that she is basically a good person, but she is fiercely defensive about being attacked. She does not forgive or forget. But she is a good mom, devoted to her loved ones and, in her own way, true to herself. And while I would not like her positions, even if she were smart, the fact that she is not that smart makes her the kind of person I would not want having real power.

But I don't understand the way people want to tear her down so much. When she first appeared, I held her in a small bit of esteem. Because I honestly think she is a honorable and decent woman, and has accomplished some good things for herself. And I felt that reducing her to a simple waitress, airline stewardess, or whore, was wholly inappropriate.
I could have more sympathy for this if she didn't bring so much of it on herself. I mean what was she thinking when she put on those hot pants and posed for that photoshoot? Did she think it would never see the light of day? No, she knew. Perhaps she naively thought (I imagine) that it would never be used to make fun of her. That either shows that she knows nothing about national politics or that she is a really really big hypocrite. And I have never thought or said in any way that she was a whore, except of the attention kind. The woman likes attention, wouldn't you agree?

I'm very close to finally getting out of this sub-forum for good. I don't want to further jepordize whatever good will I've gained from people in other places. I can't do anything about any of this stuff. I can't change any minds here. And while reading here often does make me think of things in different lights than I had before, it also drives me completely insane and knee jerk rant mode is never far behind.

I'm sorry.

I would hate to see that. We need more partisans who are not screaming idealogues. You have nothing to apologize for.

[Whiplash]

Well, if it's not entirely obvious, while I have strong opinions, I am also paranoid, insecure, and very quick to second guess myself.

Thanks for your response. It helps lift my spirits a bit.

Yes she does seem to crave attention. And I begin to think that I was too naive in my early judgments of her.

[the_eye]

She doesn't want to do good. Sarah Palin is a Power-Hungry bitch, who has an inability to understand basic Politics ( I doubt she understands what NATO means) and represents everything bad about American politics, she continues to want to be in a position of power, despite being unable handle the responsibility.

All of you are far to close too understand how dangerous she is, Palin in position of national would be disaster. It would be the end to American hegemony.

[Whiplash]

Massive hyperbole. Sorry, but you are the one who's off the deep end. I'm not denying everything you said, but it's extremely exaggerated.

[the_eye]

Massive hyperbole. Sorry, but you are the one who's off the deep end. I'm not denying everything you said, but it's extremely exaggerated.

How is it? She has repeatedly displayed her ignorance over international and national politics, She is supported by an extremely backward part of the American populace, she's a Theocrat who honestly believes that their shouldn't be a separation Government and Church, She has shown to be mind-numbingly incompetent as both Governor of Alaska and VP candidate and she continues to put herself in the spotlight.

Any other western country, she would have been laughed out of the Building by both sides of the political spectrum. Religious fundamentalists in the USA give her a pedestal.

Sarah Palin and her politics are in outright opposition to values of Western society.

[Regnad Kcin]

Well, yeah. But how 'bout them hooters?

[Garrette]

All three take only a limited, pulchritudinous approach in exploiting women. Why not the magazine that exploits every facet of womanhood?

Cosmopolitan.Nom. i. nat. ed.

[Puppycow]

I looked through the link that Tricky had in the OP in which there was a comment that the photo was "lifted" from the cycle mag. I also checked out the cycle magazine article, but I can't tell if the pictures are copywritten. I still don't have an opinion either way about whether the picture is sexist in its use on the Newsweek cover.

The editor of Newsweek stated that the photo was in agreement with the article's assertions about Palin. Again, I can't seem to get worked up either way. I think it's a nice picture of her, and the cycle mag's article was positive, but I'm not sure why she thinks it's sexist on the cover of Newsweek.

Runner's World has the copyright to the photo and Newsweek paid Runner's World for the right to use it.

[DJW]

Really, you did that? Makes me wonder how you haven't noticed that the "cycle magazine" is called Runner's World, and oddly enough has very few bicycles in it.

Really just a bit of cognitive dissonance, I think. I initially thought it was a cycling mag and just didn't change my mind; even though I actually read the articles, but you'll have to believe me on that.:)

[Snide]

I did not think you overreacted. You're partisan. So am I.


I agree with you about most of that. I do think that she is basically a good person, but she is fiercely defensive about being attacked. She does not forgive or forget. But she is a good mom, devoted to her loved ones and, in her own way, true to herself. And while I would not like her positions, even if she were smart, the fact that she is not that smart makes her the kind of person I would not want having real power.


I could have more sympathy for this if she didn't bring so much of it on herself. I mean what was she thinking when she put on those hot pants and posed for that photoshoot? Did she think it would never see the light of day? No, she knew. Perhaps she naively thought (I imagine) that it would never be used to make fun of her. That either shows that she knows nothing about national politics or that she is a really really big hypocrite. And I have never thought or said in any way that she was a whore, except of the attention kind. The woman likes attention, wouldn't you agree?



I would hate to see that. We need more partisans who are not screaming idealogues. You have nothing to apologize for.Well said. All of it.

[Oliver]

MILF; Sarah Palin.


Aren't MILF's supposed to be hot? :confused:

[themusicteacher]

I agree that Sarah Palin is genuine. Genuinely disingenuous, that is. She is an ideologue, end of story. Her "best intentions" are born of her irrational, fear-based, sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical, self-righteous worldview. Her "warmth and sincerity" are part of her persona, her image. While she may or may not be a great "family woman," a person of her shallow, self-involved, poorly-educated and completely unaware nature belongs on...Faux News, not in politics.

I'd totally hate-screw her, though.

[Darth Rotor]

I agree that Sarah Palin is genuine. Genuinely disingenuous, that is. She is an ideologue, end of story. Her "best intentions" are born of her irrational, fear-based, sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical, self-righteous worldview. Her "warmth and sincerity" are part of her persona, her image. While she may or may not be a great "family woman," a person of her shallow, self-involved, poorly-educated and completely unaware nature belongs on...Faux News, not in politics.

I'd totally hate-screw her, though.
Back in the seventies, people called it making love.

Sorry to see the brutalization of American culture.

I blame the WWF, personally. :cool:

DR

[Sporanox]

I used to look rather skeptically at the Palin bandwagon, and in some ways, I suppose I still do, but that's slowly changing. Palin herself is changing, both in demeanor and rhetoric. I expect to see a further evolution along those lines as she fully realizes the power of her national platform without the crippling restrictions of the McCain handlers.

ETA: More on topic, having read some of the posts I missed, I don't believe she didn't see this coming. I expect she had possible consequences, such as this cover, in mind when she posed for the photo. The poisonous sexism inherent in the Newsweek cover is that it takes an out of context photo and uses it to sum up the entirety of Sarah Palin - in effect, stating that she's a sexy political bimbo without much to stand on. Such reduction of one's thinking and impact to a simple, easily insulting characteristic is offensive.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Back in the seventies, people called it making love.

Sorry to see the brutalization of American culture.

I blame the WWF, personally. :cool:

DR


The World Wildlife Fund? :confused:

Possibly you mean PETA? :duck:

[Dr Adequate]

The World Wildlife Fund? http://www.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/real-wwf-logo.jpg

[Whiplash]

I agree that Sarah Palin is genuine. Genuinely disingenuous, that is. She is an ideologue, end of story. Her "best intentions" are born of her irrational, fear-based, sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical, self-righteous worldview. Her "warmth and sincerity" are part of her persona, her image. While she may or may not be a great "family woman," a person of her shallow, self-involved, poorly-educated and completely unaware nature belongs on...Faux News, not in politics.

I'd totally hate-screw her, though.


That's your opinion and spin. If you really think that, than you may as well think exactly the same of me (except for the hate-screw part, thanks).

It sickens me that people who hold up traditional values in any way are seen as being some kind of ignorant, hysterical scardy cats who want to control everyone else. It's mind boggling to me. Utterly.

I believe what I believe because I think it's right. I'm not religious any longer, but I still believe in the value of community, honoring of ones parents and elders, respect for other people, other peoples property.. not desiring to steal others wives or loved ones. Not killing, or raping. I think these things can all be justified without religious overtones either. Simply based on the way we, as humans, react to such things. When you bring pain to someone else, you are probably doing them harm, and vice versa (there can obviously be some exceptions.. temporary pain in the way of a medical treatment that saves their life for example). I don't see how any being has any right to assert what he wants at the cost of any other. I don't think religion has to play into it at all.

But some people just reject traditional values and religion to such an extent that they refuse to find even the slightest good in any of it. It's baby & bathwater > window time. It's irrational. It's not all bad. The things that are bad don't automatically turn the good things bad. A murderer proclaiming that murder is morally wrong is still correct. Who he is, what he has done, etc, have no bearing on the truth of that statement.

I understand the belief that you should take no moral authority from a book that contradicts itself. But I don't think it's in any way wrong to take the ideas you think are good, and can justify outside the context of the book, and consider them to be morally correct.

I think she's a good person at heart who is very deluded. I think that everything else most of you feel about her is simply outright cynicism in it's darkest form.

[Darth Rotor]

The World Wildlife Fund? :confused:

Possibly you mean PETA? :duck:
Sorry, old ref to professional wrestling ...

FWIW, Palin's comments on the cover. Got this off of MSNBC web site.

“The choice of photo for the cover of this week’s Newsweek is unfortunate,” Palin wrote on her Facebook page. “When it comes to Sarah Palin, this ‘news’ magazine {Newsweek} has relished focusing on the irrelevant rather than the relevant. The Runner’s World magazine one-page profile for which this photo was taken was all about health and fitness — a subject to which I am devoted and which is critically important to this nation.”

“The out-of-context Newsweek approach is sexist and oh-so-expected by now. If anyone can learn anything from it: it shows why you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover, gender, or color of skin. The media will do anything to draw attention - even if out of context,” she adds.
Sarah, that last sentence seems to be your guiding principle, these days. ;)

[Alferd_Packer]

All three take only a limited, pulchritudinous approach in exploiting women. Why not the magazine that exploits every facet of womanhood?

Cosmopolitan.

Is she a cosmo "don't?"

[PixyMisa]

OR, and try to follow me on this one, we view her as a living, breathing joke. She is the gift that keeps on giving.
There are many more deserving targets - on both sides of the fence - who are actually in office.

[hgc]

Sarah, that last sentence seems to be your guiding principle, these days. ;)


A picture willingly posed for one magazine cover ends up on another magazine cover. And that's the media doing her some wrong.

There is nothing that happens in this woman's public life that isn't fodder for her victimhood complex. She needs therapy.

[Sporanox]

A picture willingly posed for one magazine cover ends up on another magazine cover. And that's the media doing her some wrong.

There is nothing that happens in this woman's public life that isn't fodder for her victimhood complex. She needs therapy.

I'll repost what I said earlier:

The poisonous sexism inherent in the Newsweek cover is that it takes an out of context photo and uses it to sum up the entirety of Sarah Palin - in effect, stating that she's a sexy political bimbo without much to stand on. Such reduction of one's thinking and impact to a simple, easily insulting characteristic is offensive.

Having said that, I do find her tendency to respond to anything (save Ricky Hollywood's latest offenses) somewhat damaging.

[Darth Rotor]

A picture willingly posed for one magazine cover ends up on another magazine cover. And that's the media doing her some wrong.

There is nothing that happens in this woman's public life that isn't fodder for her victimhood complex. She needs therapy.
That last sentence weakened your post. People not fitting into your preferred model is not prima facie evidence of mental or psycological degradation.

Diversity is OK. ;)

DR

[Upchurch]

There are many more deserving targets - on both sides of the fence
Deserving? Sure.

More deserving? That's a matter of opinion.

- who are actually in office.
Being in office is immaterial to her status as an ongoing joke.

[hgc]

I'll repost what I said earlier:

The poisonous sexism inherent in the Newsweek cover is that it takes an out of context photo and uses it to sum up the entirety of Sarah Palin - in effect, stating that she's a sexy political bimbo without much to stand on. Such reduction of one's thinking and impact to a simple, easily insulting characteristic is offensive.

Having said that, I do find her tendency to respond to anything (save Ricky Hollywood's latest offenses) somewhat damaging.


Still not buying it. Where is it written that a news magazine cover is expected to sum up the entirety of its subject? That this cover states she's a sexy political bimbo is your own inference, and one I don't share. It's a photo that emphasizes, in its original publication, her passion for athleticism, and, to me, her clever use (or the photographer's) of the trappings of patriotism with the odd inclusion of the American flag. The Newsweek cover, I think, captures this iconic moment as something that is different and unique about her.

There is NOTHING in its publication that says "sexy political bimbo" to me. It's a leap of logic that doesn't make sense.

[hgc]

That last sentence weakened your post. People not fitting into your preferred model is not prima facie evidence of mental or psycological degradation.

Diversity is OK. ;)

DR


Yeah, I was being slightly facetious in suggesting therapy (and also in the use of the quasi-clinical term complex).

But I really do consider this constant blaming of others and victimology to be personality flaw, not in a mental health sense, but in a social sense. I think it connects to larger social issue, which is the way that the segment of the population that she appeals to laps up this kind of conspiratorial drivel like kittens crowding a saucer of milk.

[Darth Rotor]

But I really do consider this constant blaming of others and victimology to be personality flaw, not in a mental health sense, but in a social sense.
We agree on that. :)

[Sporanox]

Still not buying it. Where is it written that a news magazine cover is expected to sum up the entirety of its subject? That this cover states she's a sexy political bimbo is your own inference, and one I don't share. It's a photo that emphasizes, in its original publication, her passion for athleticism, and, to me, her clever use (or the photographer's) of the trappings of patriotism with the odd inclusion of the American flag. The Newsweek cover, I think, captures this iconic moment as something that is different and unique about her.

There is NOTHING in its publication that says "sexy political bimbo" to me. It's a leap of logic that doesn't make sense.

Anti-Palinites have long postulated that she got where she is now primarily because she happens to be attractive. It isn't a huge leap from there.

If you haven't heard that yet, you haven't waded into punditry enough. That probably isn't a bad thing.

[hgc]

Anti-Palinites have long postulated that she got where she is now primarily because she happens to be attractive. It isn't a huge leap from there.

If you haven't heard that yet, you haven't waded into punditry enough. That probably isn't a bad thing.


I've heard it. Certainly her attractiveness is one of a number of factors that contribute to her success. Primarily? It's way more complex than that. She knows it too -- which is why she posed for the Runners World photo in the first place. She's a natural politician with a fabulist outlook and an eager, adoring audience. But there's also something of a reverse midas touch. She's still a walking disaster area at the same time.

[Sporanox]

You may be right. Time will tell.

[Morrigan]

It sickens me that people who hold up traditional values in any way are seen as being some kind of ignorant, hysterical scardy cats who want to control everyone else. It's mind boggling to me. Utterly.

I believe what I believe because I think it's right.
... but I still believe in the value of community, honoring of ones parents and elders, respect for other people, other peoples property.. not desiring to steal others wives or loved ones. Not killing, or raping.

So... you think those values are "traditional"? Conservatives? Help me out here, are you saying that non-conservatives don't have these values, and think those values are held by "ignorant, hysterical scaredy cats"? Do you think that criticism of Republicans/American conservatives is criticism of the values you just listed?

Because I'm very confused by your post otherwise.

[MontagK505]

Where is that vomiting smiley?

Your're Right, she's not that good looking, keep her covered!:o:

[Beerina]

"Oh dearie me. I'm being exploited by sexists. The latest cover of Newsweek (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/17/palin-slams-sexist-newsweek-cover/)shows me in some hotpants that I donned for a photoshoot for Runner's World. I never dreamed that they would sell that picture to anybody else. Mean ol' Mainstream Media!

No! don't look! It's too sexist. Don't anybody look at me in that provocative pose, even though it might sell a few more of my books. I'm not interested in making money through tawdry publicity! There's probably some more revealing pictures inside, but don't look at those either!"


This is the most idiotic claim since Paula Zahn "was offended" at suggestions she got her latest gig because she's gorgeous.