Will Truthers accept 9-11 trial findings???? [Archive]

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:02 PM

ok, big question:

will Truthers accept the jury's decision, if they find KSM and the other perps guilty of their involvement in 9-11???

this is the closest they may EVER get...to a new investigation.

:wink:

remember folks, ALL the truther theories they want, can be used as a defense by the lawyers. it can ALL....FINALLY...COME OUT!!

standdown.
thermite.
reports of explosions.
no plane at Pentagon.
no plane at Shanksville.
PNAC
Mineta testimony
A Clean Break
cell phone calls at high altitude
etc..etc..etc

it can all....finally..come out!!

and with that..will the truthers accept a finding of guilty?

hmmm....because of this...I hope..that some 9-11 Truther theories are included in the defense case. I think there is some chance, that this may occur.

a jury of 9 Americans. independent. no govt. shills.

Government prosecutor....Defense attorney of the perps choice.

a jury..and a judge. no MSM. nothing but a good ol' fair trial.

will 9-11 Truthers accept their finding the perps guilty???

dtugg

19th November 2009, 05:06 PM

No.

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:10 PM

I would like to think, that if a damn good lawyer is used by KSM and the other guys, and some 9-11 Truther ideas were used as a defense, and the jury took a long time to decide...that at least some of the 9-11 truthers may reluctantly accept it.

Like I said, this may be the best chance they ever have....of a new investigation. So let it ALLLLLL come out!!!

johnny karate

19th November 2009, 05:15 PM

jmh423 for one has already proclaimed the impending trial a sham, so he's pre-ordered his denial. But then again, he wishes mercury poisoning on people who disagree with him...

DGM

19th November 2009, 05:17 PM

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:19 PM

Not a chance. You need actual (proof) evidence to bring into a court of law. "Truthers" know this. that's why they have no interest in the case.

just watch. as the trial goes on and gets more and more attention, truthers will comment more and more, and their interest will increase.

then, once something related to 9-11 truth comes in, they will go nuts!!!

I predict this trial may become the zenith of 9-11 truther advocacy. they wont be able to keep themselves away from it. i can see AJ, Charlie Sheen, the Loose Change Guys, all of the nuts coming to NYC to rally at the Federal Court House.

by the way, the court house is right by Columbus Park, which has lots of great new equipment..maybe AJ can lose some damn weight. :)

Sam.I.Am

19th November 2009, 05:19 PM

Not 9 jurors, it's 12 for criminal court.

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:23 PM

Not 9 jurors, it's 12 for criminal court.

even better. 12 regular old Americans. the truthers would have to prove that they were govt. agents, NWO shills, or Mossad front-men.

to disregard the findings of these 12 Americans would be highly unpatriotic.

DGM

19th November 2009, 05:25 PM

just watch. as the trial goes on and gets more and more attention, truthers will comment more and more, and their interest will increase.

then, once something related to 9-11 truth comes in, they will go nuts!!!

I predict this trial may become the zenith of 9-11 truther advocacy. they wont be able to keep themselves away from it. i can see AJ, Charlie Sheen, the Loose Change Guys, all of the nuts coming to NYC to rally at the Federal Court House.

by the way, the court house is right by Columbus Park, which has lots of great new equipment..maybe AJ can lose some damn weight. :)
I think all that's going to come from this is a judge spending lots of time trying to convince him that he's entitled to a trial he doesn't want.

Scott Sommers

19th November 2009, 05:38 PM

I've been trying desperately to talk with the political leadership of 911 Truth on this. They are completely unwilling to talk about it. 911 Truth has become one of three things. It's high school kids and college students from a collection of relatively easy to enter schools. It's mentally ill adults. It's a handful of con artists who've been able to position themselves at the top of a money chain run by kids out selling things and collecting cash for them. It's nothing else.

So what can a collection of crazies and criminals like this possibly even want out of the KSM trial? They don't want to go anywhere near this.

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:38 PM

I think all that's going to come from this is a judge spending lots of time trying to convince him that he's entitled to a trial he doesn't want.

have faith in the system. have faith.

:)

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:40 PM

They don't want to go anywhere near this.

well, if they REALLY cared about truth, justice, and finding out what really happened on 9-11, they would care a whole lot and somehow play their part...whatever that might be.

simply sticking their heads in the sand and calling it one big sham...would show who they really are.

fitzgibbon

19th November 2009, 05:41 PM

ok, big question:

will Truthers accept the jury's decision, if they find KSM and the other perps guilty of their involvement in 9-11???

RU Kidding? :jaw-dropp

A guilty verdict will only prove that the jurors are in on it too!

CptColumbo

19th November 2009, 05:44 PM

The forum rules prohibit me from answering the OP in the most effective and appropriate way.

sylvan8798

19th November 2009, 05:46 PM

Aside from a few former truthers who were smart enough to see through the crap and change their minds, most truthers have committed themselves to their positions. They can't change positions without repudiating everything they have stood for the past 8 years.

Imagine Heiwa suddenly admitting that, yes, 1/10th of a building could crush the other 9/10's with nothing other than gravity!

Thunder

19th November 2009, 05:47 PM

The forum rules prohibit me from answering the OP in the most effective and appropriate way.

I think a "no" will work just fine.

Its too bad though. If truthers can't accept the findings of 12 average Americans, with a lawyer chosen by the accused who can argue all the 9-11 truth theories he likes, then why should we ever believe they would accept the findings of a non-partisan, independent investigation?

Sam.I.Am

19th November 2009, 05:55 PM

I suspect that a competent judge wouldn't allow 99% of their "Evidence" to be presented to the jury.

DGM

19th November 2009, 05:57 PM

I suspect that a competent judge wouldn't allow 99% of their "Evidence" to be presented to the jury.
They couldn't get 99% of their BS in the building!

DavidJames

19th November 2009, 06:00 PM

No because for the ones I've read, the truth is the last thing they're interested in.

CptColumbo

19th November 2009, 06:06 PM

I think a "no" will work just fine.
And you came out of Star Wars saying "It was alright."

Scott Sommers

19th November 2009, 06:08 PM

well, if they REALLY cared about truth, justice, and finding out what really happened on 9-11, they would care a whole lot and somehow play their part...whatever that might be.

simply sticking their heads in the sand and calling it one big sham...would show who they really are.

Remember back to when you were 18 and all the wierd things that you were capable of thinking and believing. I was into subliminal advertizing for my whole first year of college.

They don't really care about truth and justice. If they did, they'd be hiding up in the hills collecting guns and committing acts of violence against the government. They'd be the Unabomber not We Are Change pretending they're political criminals.

There is no way any one of these guys will say even a peep during the KSM trial. That's real. They'd have to answer for what they said, and that wouldn't be fun anymore.

Whiplash

19th November 2009, 06:10 PM

Even worse, if the right wing conspiracists are right, and KSM gets off due to some activist judge, or Muslim's on the jury, the truthers will be emboldened even more to think that 9-11 was an inside job! Look, they couldn't even find the "mastermind" guilty!

(no, I don't think this will happen. I may have hinted at such a thing in another thread, but I had momentarily been sucked back into talk radio mode, and gave a tad too much credibility to something that is wholly unlikely).

AJM8125

19th November 2009, 06:28 PM

Question: (and if this has been covered in depth elsewhere then please disregard)

I thought Al Qaeda was supposed to be some imaginary boogyman made up by the USG to sell us on an viable enemy threat so we'd all get swole up and go marching off to war and kick some arab ass.

So KSM too is an imaginary boogyman, so truthers shouldn't care about him, right?

Whiplash

19th November 2009, 06:54 PM

Well, they say the same things about Osama Bin Laden, and yet they always crow (as one of their talking points) that he was never actually charged for 9-11, or that it's not listed in his crimes on the FBI's most wanted list.. or something.

I doubt they will remain consistent in anything that they think can be turned to their advantage.

Truthers: There was no plane at the pentagon, it was a missle.
Witness: I saw that plane fly south of the Citgo!
Truthers: See, he saw a plane fly south of the Citgo! INSIDE JOB!
Debunker: I thought it was a missle?
Truthers: Quiet sheeptard. Go play in your own playground, champ.

Thunder

19th November 2009, 07:23 PM

Well, they say the same things about Osama Bin Laden, and yet they always crow (as one of their talking points) that he was never actually charged for 9-11,

i would not be surprised if under AG Holder, UBL finally is formally charged for 9-11.

Dog Town

19th November 2009, 07:25 PM

Q:
Why should today, or night, be different?

BigAl

19th November 2009, 08:43 PM

i would not be surprised if under AG Holder, UBL finally is formally charged for 9-11.

According to this Interpol link, he's been indicted by the US. The date of the indictment isn't given.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/1998/32/1998_20232.asp

Sam.I.Am

19th November 2009, 08:51 PM

According to this Interpol link, he's been indicted by the US. The date of the indictment isn't given.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/1998/32/1998_20232.asp

That was the embassy bombings. Those are enough on their own to bring him in and get the ball rolling. They can always add on more charges once he's in custody. Murder (of which he will almost certainly be charged with at some point once in custody) has no statute of limitations.

McHrozni

19th November 2009, 11:20 PM

will 9-11 Truthers accept their finding the perps guilty???

Yes, under the condition it confirms their ideas.

McHrozni

Dave Rogers

20th November 2009, 01:59 AM

a jury of 9 12 Americans. independent. no govt. shills.

Ah, but how can that be confirmed? Someone in the truth movement is sure to point out that the government chooses who is selected for jury service, and can therefore only select co-conspirators. Expect some libellous attacks on individual jury members, if any truthers dare comment at all.

Government prosecutor....Defense attorney of the perps choice.

The defense attorney is in on it. Expanding the conspiracy to include the entire legal profession of America is almost trivial for the truly dedicated loon.

a jury..and a judge. no MSM. nothing but a good ol' fair trial.

I think the mainstream media may take some small interest in the trial. Truthers will, of course, complain every time an account of the trial is published that doesn't contain any reference to the conspiracy theories. They'll also complain about every account that does mention a conspiracy theory, on the pretext that it's clearly a strawman intended to discredit conspiracy theories in general and distract attention from What Really Happened.

will 9-11 Truthers accept their finding the perps guilty???

Not in a million years. My prediction is that it'll be same ****, different day.

Dave

Julio

20th November 2009, 02:23 AM

ok, big question:

will Truthers accept the jury's decision, if they find KSM and the other perps guilty of their involvement in 9-11???

Of course not! The judge and the jury will be added to the never-ending list of people involved in the conspiracy.

It has already happened in Spain, after the 11th March bombs in the trains. We also had our own CT, and our own truthers. Even some newspapers were continously spreading BS claiming for conspiracy. Claims as stupid as the ones for 9/11, of course.

There was a trial and the defense was continously showing the "evidences" of this conspiracy, which was celebrated with joy by truhters, that changed to anger when next minute it was ridiculed and dismissed. It really wasn't as fun as might think. It was pathetic.

Now, the newspapers have stopped spreading the BS (just form time to time there's a shy attemp to rescue old claims). But you still have truthers around, accusing the judge to be part of the conspiracy.

Thunder

20th November 2009, 08:17 AM

Par

20th November 2009, 10:26 AM

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all it's own.--Rod Serling

It's "its"!

Mr.D

20th November 2009, 03:40 PM

It's "its"!

Their they're, getting two excited will just get you're blood pressure up.

(all kidding aside, "your" vs. "you're" is my biggest pet peeve)

murphymcmurph

21st November 2009, 06:21 AM

dtugg

21st November 2009, 06:35 AM

how can the trial for this take place in new york? isn't this a perversion of justice? the place where the crime happened being used to stir up hatred? justice cannot be blind if the judge and jury are reminded of what happaned everywhere they look and seek revenge no matter who the suspects are... someone must be found accountable. can you seek the death penalty in new york?

A criminal being tried in the area that the crime took place? Never happens anywhere ever! And they are being tried by the federal government which does have the death penalty, not the state of New York.

murphymcmurph

21st November 2009, 08:06 AM

A criminal being tried in the area that the crime took place? Never happens anywhere ever! And they are being tried by the federal government which does have the death penalty, not the state of New York.

look i'm just asking questions... if you wanna be sarcastic write a *********** stupid american sitcom.

this is an international matter. it should not be trialed in a state that's looking for blood. you know this. the perpetrators already got the death penalty and are the thousands of innocent iraqis and afghanistans killed in the cross fire not blood enough???

Thunder

21st November 2009, 08:08 AM

look i'm just asking questions...

:D

and we the people of New York State are not looking for blood. We are however, looking for justice.

murphymcmurph

21st November 2009, 08:29 AM

and what do you think justice is? you may as well put 12 women who've been raped on the jury for the trial of a rapist. get me?

twinstead

21st November 2009, 08:35 AM

and what do you think justice is? you may as well put 12 women who've been raped on the jury for the trial of a rapist. get me?

You don't think you can find 12 unbiased, rational people in the city of New York? Wow. Quite the cynic.

murphymcmurph

21st November 2009, 09:04 AM

You don't think you can find 12 unbiased, rational people in the city of New York? Wow. Quite the cynic.

i'm sure it's hard to find unbiased people in the whole of america but my point is that they'd get a fairer trial anywhere belse in the world besides new york. do you not agree?

Scott Sommers

21st November 2009, 10:39 AM

Come on dudes! KSM matters. Or at least that's what Kevin Barrett tells us. At least he has the balls to stand up and say that there should be protest about the trial. The whinnies here pretend that nothings happening. I guess they're physically afraid of beating they're going to get if they stand on the street and say this. Kevin Barrett...

Why KSM's Innocence Matters
http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-ksms-innocence-matters.html

T.A.M.

21st November 2009, 10:42 AM

i'm sure it's hard to find unbiased people in the whole of america but my point is that they'd get a fairer trial anywhere belse in the world besides new york. do you not agree?

Well I think they would get a less fair trial in Afghanistan. Less fair for the victims.

TAM:)

Thunder

21st November 2009, 02:11 PM

and what do you think justice is? you may as well put 12 women who've been raped on the jury for the trial of a rapist. get me?

no. i don't "get you".

where do you think the trial should be held?

would you accept the guilty verdict of a jury if it was set in Washington State?

DGM

21st November 2009, 02:18 PM

look i'm just asking questions... if you wanna be sarcastic write a *********** stupid american sitcom.

this is an international matter. it should not be trialed in a state that's looking for blood. you know this. the perpetrators already got the death penalty and are the thousands of innocent iraqis and afghanistans killed in the cross fire not blood enough???
How is this an "international matter"? The last I knew the attacks were on the US.

murphymcmurph

22nd November 2009, 06:39 AM

How is this an "international matter"? The last I knew the attacks were on the US.

are the accused amerian so? and the perpetrators?
in my eyes that makes it an international matter, as in more than one country involved?

murphymcmurph

22nd November 2009, 06:44 AM

no. i don't "get you".

where do you think the trial should be held?

would you accept the guilty verdict of a jury if it was set in Washington State?

do you seriously not understand what i'm saying. i think it's hard for a new yorker to be unbiased when the trial is so close to heart. that's not justice.
look we're not going to agree. i think they would get a fairer trial in washington.

A W Smith

22nd November 2009, 06:47 AM

are the accused amerian so? and the perpetrators?
in my eyes that makes it an international matter, as in more than one country involved?

No it doesn't. and ill give you an example. Americans arrested for drug possession in foreign countries are arrested and tried and imprisoned in those countries. And there's not a hell of a lot the US state department can do about it. Protest all you want with your jaundiced eyes. He is being tried in the country the crime was committed in. It is not an international matter. simple as that.