Tea Baggers / Twooferreality

[leftysergeant]

Came across this interesting video while following up on the doings of a totally disgusting slimeball of a Tea Bagger named Catherina Wojtowicz.

One of the YouTube videos I visited was linked with one put up by a twoofer that purported to show two Tea Baggers being assaulterd by some lefties protesting one of the immigration reform proposals.

Two Tea Baggers come across the street, start jamming cameras in the protestors' faces. obviously loud-talking the protestors, so it is the aggression of the protestors thjat led to the inevitable ass-kicking that the Tea Baggers took.

htrtp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokQJ5ZRs_M

Tea Baggers are some sick people.

[leftysergeant]

Just when followers of this forum thought twoofers could get no more absurd, and followers of the Politics forum thought that they had seen the depths of insanity to which Tea Baggers couls sink, those worlds collide.

I think this sort of confirms that the two cults overlap and that both are NUTS-OH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokQJ5ZRs_M
Merged this with the previous thread about the same video. Please don't start multiple threads on the same topic.

[grandmastershek]

ROFL!

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/teabaggers-punkd-anti-racists-who-ge

[Brainster]

This has nothing to do with 9-11 Conspiracy theories. Arguably it belongs in politics or current events. It is off-topic here.

[carlitos]

Just when followers of this forum thought twoofers could get no more absurd, and followers of the Politics forum thought that they had seen the depths of insanity to which Tea Baggers couls sink, those worlds collide.

I think this sort of confirms that the two cults overlap and that both are NUTS-OH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokQJ5ZRs_M

So assaulting peaceful (if misguided) protestors is OK with you, or am I watching a different video? :confused:

[Sword_Of_Truth]

So some members of the twoof movement are upset about 2 trillion dollar deficits and plans by the current administration to make it 4 trillion? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!

Are you trying to imply that all people who are alarmed by the reckless out of control spending by the federal government are twoofers?

[Thunder]

Tea Bagger Troothers.

are these truthers who liked to be tea-bagged?

[leftysergeant]

So assaulting peaceful (if misguided) protestors is OK with you, or am I watching a different video? :confused:The Tea Baggers attacked the demonstrators on the corner and got their butts kicked, as they deserved. You can see that as he approaches, the young thug in the black shirt and white shorts, the Tea Bagger, is holding something on a stick that looks like a hammer or battle ax. Quite intimidating, don't you think?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ugh... I should have looked at the link before responding.

The video isn't of a tea party protest. It's a fight between pro and anti-immigration protesters. The only connection with 9/11 twoof is the name of the guy who posted the video.

Brainster is right. Get it outta here.

[leftysergeant]

Are you trying to imply that all people who are alarmed by the reckless out of control spending by the federal government are twoofers?

No, I am suggesting that Tea Baggers are lunatics.

That there are Tea Baggers who are also twoofers is thus no surprise.

That there are twoofers who are Tea Baggers is no surprise, for the same reason.

A lot of twoofers were, for the same reason, Ron Paul supporters.

[carlitos]

1 - Yes, this belongs in politics
2 - I don't think that the guy holding a Che Guevara sign and hitting people with it is a "tea bagger" (sic). Again, maybe I'm watching a different video, and not the one entitled "Tea Party Protesters Assaulted By Illegal Alien Amnesty Supporters"

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I don't think that the guy holding a Che Guevara sign and hitting people with it is a "tea bagger" (sic).

To be fair, I can't make out the text on the Che Guevera sign. For all we lknow, it details his time at La Cabana prison in Cuba where Guevara oversaw and occasionally personally carried out more than 2,000 executions, most of them without a preceding trial.

[carlitos]

LOL. Or maybe he's just a fan of Rage against the Machine (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bpEhZEJvL._SL500_AA280_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amazon.com/Rage-Against-Machine-Face-Patch/dp/B000FQ0UOU&usg=__yvxvHl33dSDu7sALIAZnmUoTOMk=&h=280&w=280&sz=21&hl=en&start=1&sig2=cqoQw6_ohEf-za60X-Stag&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fP0u0nDvqjyJ_M:&tbnh=114&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dche%2Brage%2Bagainst%2Bthe%2Bmachine% 26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1&ei=_UIMS-7VFKWUnAfT5PTwAw).

[leftysergeant]

1 - Yes, this belongs in politics
2 - I don't think that the guy holding a Che Guevara sign and hitting people with it is a "tea bagger" (sic). Again, maybe I'm watching a different video, and not the one entitled "Tea Party Protesters Assaulted By Illegal Alien Amnesty Supporters"

Confusing? Of course it is. But the whackadoodle who posted it is both a Tea Bagger and a twoofer. Whaddaya expect?

There was a Tea Bagger supported anti-immigrant rally down the street from this corner, and some of those Tea Baggers took offense at the lefties counter-protesting.

Now, about people who think that Da Twoof is a leftist invention....

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Confusing? Of course it is. But the whackadoodle who posted it is both a Tea Bagger and a twoofer.

Yes, but this video he posted seems to have nothing to do with 9/11 twoof.

A person can be a twoofer and have opinions on other topics that are either sane and well thought out, or equally paranoid and asinine.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Now, about people who think that Da Twoof is a leftist invention....

You aren't about to try to claim there are no crazy leftists again, are you?

As I recall, it didn't work out well for you the last time you tried it.

[leftysergeant]

Yes, but this video he posted seems to have nothing to do with 9/11 twoof.

A person can be a twoofer and have opinions on other topics that are either sane and well thought out, or equally paranoid and asinine.

Still, I have never seen a twoofer post anything totally rational.

Tea Baggers, Libertarians, AnCaps and Nazis all share in that cup of joy juice as well.

[carlitos]

As Jimmy Buffet once sang, don't ever forget that you just might wind up being wrong. :)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Still, I have never seen a twoofer post anything totally rational.

Tea Baggers, Libertarians, AnCaps and Nazis all share in that cup of joy juice as well.

Have you not seen what twoofers say about Bush's treatment of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Have you seen what they say about the relationship between Dick Cheney and Halliburton?

Do you not hold similar beliefs to the twoofers on these issues?

Do you consider your own beliefs irrational?

[leftysergeant]

Have you not seen what twoofers say about Bush's treatment of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Have you seen what they say about the relationship between Dick Cheney and Halliburton? Twoofers and Tea Baggers both say that.

Do you not hold similar beliefs to the twoofers on these issues?

Do you consider your own beliefs irrational?

No. Twoofers and Tea Baggers also believe that there is a governmnet conspiracy to take away their civil liberties, and that Obama is worse than the Shrub.

[T.A.M.]

Tea Baggers are funny. It is like turning on the TV and being warped back 60 years in time.

TAM:)

[Sparky]

This thread belongs in Politics. And I resent being called a tea-bagger.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Have you not seen what twoofers say about Bush's treatment of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Have you seen what they say about the relationship between Dick Cheney and Halliburton?
Twoofers and Tea Baggers both say that.

Twoofers, tea partiers and you.

[Thunder]

Tea Baggers and Troothers both hate the USA.

(well, the USA since 1865)

[Brattus]

I'm surprised you didn't post this in Spanish.
What's that? You can't speak or write Spanish.
Well you better get on it bub!

[carlitos]

This thread belongs in Politics. And I resent being called a tea-bagger.
Seconded. If you have to resort to Beavis-and-Butthead type namecalling, you aren't asking to be taken seriously.

ETA - Si yo quisiera escribir esto en español, pudiera haber hecho muy facil, amigo. :)

[Sporanox]

When somebody starts talking about "teabaggers," that's usually a signal they have nothing left of worth to add.

[Pardalis]

No, I am suggesting that Tea Baggers are lunatics.

That there are Tea Baggers who are also twoofers is thus no surprise.

That there are twoofers who are Tea Baggers is no surprise, for the same reason.

A lot of twoofers were, for the same reason, Ron Paul supporters.

Alot of twoofers are also Left wing kooks.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31086_Zombie-_9-11_Truth_March_at_the_Democratic_National_Conventi on

[A W Smith]

Just when followers of this forum thought twoofers could get no more absurd, and followers of the Politics forum thought that they had seen the depths of insanity to which Tea Baggers couls sink, those worlds collide.

I think this sort of confirms that the two cults overlap and that both are NUTS-OH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokQJ5ZRs_Mwho attacked who now????

another version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAXoaXRT-h0&NR=1

Im seeing the guys with the bullhorn and signs attacking two individuals who were moving through their protest and attempting to capture their signs on video. Note the bald guy in the wife beater tee shirt attacking the first guy who walked through with a videocam. Beating him with a sign. then the hippy guy in the long white shirt follows after the guy retreats and starts flailing at him with his sign.

[theprestige]

I'm pretty sure it's all just an elaborate sting operation of some kind. I think ACORN is behind it.

[NoZed Avenger]

I'm pretty sure it's all just an elaborate sting operation of some kind. I think ACORN is behind it.

Beat me to it.

[gtc]

Filming protesters and talking loudly doesn't seem like justification for what looks like a pretty nasty beating.

[Eyeron]

I'd like to see photoshop of a teabag hanging from the hand in that avatar of leftys.

[Pardalis]

This is Lefty's vision of America's future, Left wing and Right wing at each other's throats beating it out on the street.

[Pardalis]

Still, I have never seen a twoofer post anything totally rational.

Tea Baggers, Libertarians, AnCaps and Nazis all share in that cup of joy juice as well.

Keep stacking up that ammo in your garage Lefty, they're gonna get you one day, gotta be prepared.

And make sure to do some benchpress everyday, you never know, when the war begins you may have to kill some of them with your bare hands.

[leftysergeant]

The Tea Baggers did not just casually walk up and start taking pictures of the signs. They dashed right into the middle of the group and acted in an aggitated manner. When chased out, the punk in the black shirt tried to force his way back into the center of the group

Assaultive conduct, he had a butt-stomping coming.

[Pardalis]

Assaultive conduct, he had a butt-stomping coming.

You have a peculiar interpretation of the word "assault", and what the law has to say about it.

I can definitely see criminal charges being pressed against those left wing protestors.

[tyr_13]

Without knowing what those tea baggers were carrying (it certainly looks like a billy club) and what they said to the protesters, it's hard to draw any conclusions. I fully expect to be yelled at by both the left and right in this thread, but both sides clearly misbehaved. The tea baggers were being intentionally hostile. The amnesty group should probably not have attacked the 'camera men'. (I only say probably, because if they were threatening them with the club thing, that they acted fairly appropriately.) The amnesty group should know that in these types of things, even defending ones self is dangerous, and attacking is outright stupid.

This says nothing about the overall moments to which these people belong of course. Those have established character.

On that note, I predict that we will see more and more tea baggers trying to provoke 'lefties' into 'attacking' them. They really seem to love playing the victims. Remember the man 'assulted' trying to force his way into a full town hall meeting? Another prediction is that we won't see the video those 'cameramen' were taking. Of course they could be still shots. Either way.

[MattusMaximus]

Well, one thing's for sure... it's certainly more entertaining than watching the WWE

:popcorn1

ETA: Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the vehicle with its siren wailing seems to completely ignore the ruckus? I know it could have been an ambulance or firetruck, but I still think it adds some amusement to the whole thing.

[leftysergeant]

Had the Tea Baggers stood outside the line of the protest and taunted the amnesty backers, they would have been victims.

When you insert yourself into the middle and start loud-talking, you have become clearly confrontational and threatening.

They have only themselves to blame for the stomping.

[Pardalis]

They have only themselves to blame for the stomping.

You keep saying that, I garantee you US courts decide differently.

Try it if you don't believe me.

[Skeptic]

ROFL!

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/teabaggers-punkd-anti-racists-who-ge

I don't see what's the big deal. "Evil white people go home!" is more or less standard issue "history lesson" in most college campuses.

[tyr_13]

I don't see what's the big deal. "Evil white people go home!" is more or less standard issue "history lesson" in most college campuses.

(Derail removed)

Yes, there are stupid racist people of every race. That is only tangentially related to this subject at all.

[Redtail]

I don't see what's the big deal. "Evil white people go home!" is more or less standard issue "history lesson" in most college campuses.

No it's not.

[leftysergeant]

On that note, I predict that we will see more and more tea baggers trying to provoke 'lefties' into 'attacking' them. They really seem to love playing the victims. Remember the man 'assulted' trying to force his way into a full town hall meeting?

That is exactly what they are doing. And they are known to be violent. A good example is the way they gang-stomped a pastor at the Carnahan event at which the snivelling lunatic Kenny Gladney claims he was gang-stomped.

In another thread, I posted video of a whackadoodle Tea Bagger going nuits and chasing three black people around , calling them "ACORN," and claiming that they assaulted him.

Coo-KOO! They're all nuts. Probably developmentally disabled, too. None of them can count.

[Sporanox]

A good example is the way they gang-stomped a pastor at the Carnahan event at which the snivelling lunatic Kenny Gladney claims he was gang-stomped.

What? Care to provide some evidence, lefty?

I knew Gladney was a potential bullcrapper, but I didn't hear much about that case afterwards.

[MattusMaximus]

I say we start a cage match between Lefty and Skeptic, record it on video, and then upload said video to Youtube for immense entertainment value - THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!11!!1

:popcorn1

[leftysergeant]

What? Care to provide some evidence, lefty?

I knew Gladney was a potential bullcrapper, but I didn't hear much about that case afterwards.

Gotta admit it is a little strange that a laid-off paralegal accuses a pastor who ran for mayor of assaulting him, and the key witness is a pain-in-the-butt fundie pastor from Montana, and the only video of anyone getting kicked is of Tea Baggers kicking the pastor whom Kenny accused.

[carlitos]

They have only themselves to blame for the stomping.
First juvenile name-calling and now condoning of violence. I always like when the "left" shows their true colors. Reminds me of that Jonah Goldberg book.

[Wolrab]

Jeebus F'en Cripes, Are you off your meds?
Was that Super Vera, the crimefighting super hero beating the guy in the head with a piece of lumber?

[MattusMaximus]

First juvenile name-calling and now condoning of violence. I always like when the "left" shows their true colors. Reminds me of that Jonah Goldberg book.

I wanted to thank you for putting that in quotation marks, carlitos. Not everyone who tends to lean left on these kind of issues is as nutty as our pal here.

Lefty, Skeptic: the cage is calling you boys, come on down! :D

[stevea]

Such ridiculously illogical argumentation could only come from leftyserg'.
Some (speculative) teaparty members are violent, therefore all are "sick people".

By the same logic,
Some Germans were violent Nazi's there for all Germans are despicable.
Some men are Plato, therefore all men are brilliant philosophers.

Anyone who can't find at least two additional logical errors in Lefty's subsequent postings in this thread needs a course in critical thinking.



I'm sure that some teaparty members are nasty individuals. OTOH the same is provably true of some on the left. Like some examples ?
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-tea-party-rally/story?id=9137648

So what ? This is NOT representative of either side. Most people of either end of that political axis are neither prone to violence nor likely to try to prevent political speech of the others.

Of course the bone-headed half-wits on the polarized ends of each side ARE likely to MIS-characterize the other as only consisting of only the nasty sorts, and so we get the sort of extrapolation of lies from leftyserg' (and Beck& Hannity & Olberman & Maddow). "The OTHERS are pure evil" is an argument the only hate-filled promoters of unequal rights, disenfranchisement and in the end violence advocate. Nice job Lefty - you really showed again exactly who you are - dismissive but filled with lies and hatred.

Of course even the title includes the highly biased and derogatory "teabagger" term which is meant to show dismissal, and disdain for other's points of view. Lefty' isn't prepared to live in a civil society- he shows his intolerance for and hatred of other politcal POVs. and openly openly lies about (that is mischaracterizes) others. Such a tool !

The Teaparty's stated goals are against taxation, big government, deficit spending. That's hardly a silly nor a lightly dismissable concern.
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It would be trivially easy to characterize the Left in a similar dismissive, namecalling and stupid light, based on illogical arguments and extrapolations, but of course it's not part of any rational or civil discourse.

No - I'm not a Teabagger, nor even on the right/conservate in the conventional sense. OTOH it's clear that potty-mouthed liars spouting extrapolations about how "Other side are all evil" is a major cause of the incivility in US politics today. All heat & no light comes from these half-wit arguments (but that's par for randi.org).

[carlitos]

I wanted to thank you for putting that in quotation marks, carlitos. Not everyone who tends to lean left on these kind of issues is as nutty as our pal here.
Thanks. While I'm more or less a libertarian Republican (and thus in the same category as Nazis per leftysergeant), I try not to label entire groups.

[leftysergeant]

The Tea Baggers are violent and aggressive and lie at every opportunity. When you get right in the middle of somebody else's street demonstration and get right in his face, and you belong to a group known to be aggressive and nuts, expect to be physically removed from the area.

And too bad if you get hurt rssisting.

Too bad more trade unionists and Jews did not break some skulls in 1930.

[Sporanox]

Gotta admit it is a little strange that a laid-off paralegal accuses a pastor who ran for mayor of assaulting him, and the key witness is a pain-in-the-butt fundie pastor from Montana, and the only video of anyone getting kicked is of Tea Baggers kicking the pastor whom Kenny accused.

Ah, sure. This video, could you post it?

[leftysergeant]

Ah, sure. This video, could you post it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w

The guy on the ground getting stomped is Pastor Elston McCowan. Nowhere do we see anyone, in this video, whumping on punk-boy Kenny.

Interesting, isn't it, that the primary witness agaisnt McCowan is that jerk Harris Himes, who, interestingly, is wearing the same kind of shirt that Kenny is wearing, and is right there, all calm and collected, to start pointing out the actors to the cops, while one of the dirt bags who was kicking McCowan around and yelling that McCowan "attacked America," keeps the union people too busy to talk to the cops.

This was a calcualted setup by the Tea Baggers.

[tyr_13]

Of course even the title includes the highly biased and derogatory "teabagger" term which is meant to show dismissal, and disdain for other's points of view. Lefty' isn't prepared to live in a civil society- he shows his intolerance for and hatred of other politcal POVs. and openly openly lies about (that is mischaracterizes) others. Such a tool !

It's their own chosen name, so it's hard to feel sorry that it 'mischaracterizes' their political point of view. It doesn't. Do you honestly believe that people are confused and think that it is an advocacy group for a sexual move? If they didn't want to be called tea baggers, they shouldn't have kept saying how they wanted to tea bag the federal government, Obama, etc.


The Teaparty's stated goals are against taxation, big government, deficit spending. That's hardly a silly nor a lightly dismissable concern.

Their stated goals are primarily supported through logical fallacies, lies, and protests. There is nothing wrong with this last part, apart from the times when violence is used.

But then again, I'm not sure those are the tea parties goals. That is their rhetoric. Other goals stated by tea parties?

"You are not alone.
Send a message to the world.
Encourage people to stay involved.

Education: I see that the the Democratic party has gained control of this country by controlling what is taught in our education systems. This is a MUST action item for the next 10 years. School Choice is the obvious choice.

Borders: No nation can maintain its sovereignty without controlling it’s borders. For some reason we know this to be true, but do not act to make it so. Having undocumented citizens arrive uncontrolled is a security threat and a threat to the ideals we hold dear.

Taxation: Taxation must involve ALL members of the society. You cannot have layers of the population which do not carry any of the load. Do all members of your family contribute to the household chores? Well, I can see infants or severely handicapped not contributing much, but even children can have ways to help out around the house. Perhaps a poor example, but the poor need to pay some taxes so they can care how the money is spent. If they’re not paying, then why do they care if the money is being wasted? They don’t! That’s why Democrats don’t care–they understand it ISN’T their money anyway!"

Of course these are from blogs, but I thought the tea parties were grass roots and not supposed to have a central authority. :rolleyes:

There really isn't a lot to recommend about the crazy level tea baggers 'party patriots' take their ideas.



It would be trivially easy to characterize the Left in a similar dismissive, namecalling and stupid light, based on illogical arguments and extrapolations, but of course it's not part of any rational or civil discourse.

That's funny, that's exactly what the tea baggers do. Congratulations on recognizing one of the main problems some of us have with them.


No - I'm not a Teabagger, nor even on the right/conservate in the conventional sense. OTOH it's clear that potty-mouthed liars spouting extrapolations about how "Other side are all evil" is a major cause of the incivility in US politics today. All heat & no light comes from these half-wit arguments (but that's par for randi.org).

All your arguments against 'the left' here is actually applicable to the tea parties. If you had said these things about some specific group, like Code Pink, it would make sense. However, you seem to believe criticisms leveled at the teabaggers are leveled at 'the right'. They aren't. They are leveled at and only at (by myself anyway) the tea parties.

No, I don't agree with much of Lefty's rhetoric, but to dismiss the arguments against the tea baggers because those arguments contain 'name calling' is a logical fallacy. If it were only name calling, it would be one thing.

And what crack about randi.org do you think you're leveling here? That people don't reject criticisms that contain the words 'tea bagger' out of hand? Or are there too many liberals in here?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

and you belong to a group known to be aggressive and nuts,

People disturbed by two TRILLION dollar deficits, they are just right outta their gourds, aren't they?

[leftysergeant]

People disturbed by two TRILLION dollar deficits, they are just right outta their gourds, aren't they?

These fools didn't seem all that upset about the Shrub spending borrowed money to whack Saddam for no particular reason, so why start now?

They just want government to go away so that they can run the country.

None of them are bright enough, I can tell you that.

[tyr_13]

People disturbed by two TRILLION dollar deficits, they are just right outta their gourds, aren't they?

There are indeed a huge number of irrational, 'crazy' fears and beliefs around that deficit, yes. Is being worried about it in and of itself wrong? No. Is being so worried about it, all of a sudden, and thinking it will lead to the end of the USA/capitalism/etc with babies on pitchforks and people eating dogs 'just right outta their gourds'? Yeah, probably.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

These fools didn't seem all that upset about the Shrub spending borrowed money to whack Saddam for no particular reason, so why start now?

Actually, back in 200 when President Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" people were sounding alarm bells.

Not that you would know, of course.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Is being worried about it in and of itself wrong? No.

Right... so the unprecedented spending is something to be worried about. And there is no reason to beleive that tea partiers are mentally ill other than the fact that Lefty disagrees with them.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

[leftysergeant]

Actually, back in 200 when President Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" people were sounding alarm bells.

Not that you would know, of course.

Yeah, but then there's this thing about drooling morons showing up at political rallies with weapons locked and loaded...

[tyr_13]

Right... so the unprecedented spending is something to be worried about. And there is no reason to beleive that tea partiers are mentally ill other than the fact that Lefty disagrees with them.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

No, that's a non-sequiter. Just because concern about deficit spending isn't inherently crazy, that does not mean that every concern about deficit spending is justified. This is to say nothing of 'no reason to believe that tea partiers are mentally ill.' Many do display outright paranoia about federal programs, especially health care. There are other reasons to be worried about specific tea baggers that have nothing to do with the deficit, Beck, or Lefty.

I'm not claiming that tea party members are inherently crazy, or stupid. However, that doesn't mean that people in the movement can't be one or both.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yeah, but then there's this thing about drooling morons showing up at political rallies with weapons locked and loaded...

I agree with you about the people on both sides who brought guns to rallies.

It was reckless, stupid and irresponsible of all who did it.

[leftysergeant]

I agree with you about the people on both sides who brought guns to rallies.

WTF? Linky?

[leftysergeant]

I'm not claiming that tea party members are inherently crazy, or stupid. However, that doesn't mean that people in the movement can't be one or both.

I would add "evil."

[Sword_Of_Truth]

WTF? Linky?

Ask and ye shall receive. (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/143354)

As I said, those on both sides who attended rallies and protests packing heat were reckless and stupid.

[leftysergeant]

As I said, those on both sides who attended rallies and protests packing heat were reckless and stupid.

Well, I can see a reason for the Democrat to pack, if there are armed thugs trying to intimidate lefties.

I usually pack my concealed .38 spl specificly for self-defense at demonstrations because I know that rightwingers here get aggressive, and staying home is not an option.

But when you start waving a sign like Kostric did, that just goes way over any reasonable line. His main objective was NOT self-defense.

[Howie Felterbush]

Look, man, toting a gun to your Nuke the Whales rally is going to get you hurt. Please don't do it, and if you do bring your .38 at least file the front sight off. That way, when some cop takes it away from you and jams it up your ass it won't hurt quite as much when you extract it. Proper self-defense handguns have a caliber that begins with .4.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I usually pack my concealed .38 spl specificly for self-defense at demonstrations because I know that rightwingers here get aggressive, and staying home is not an option.

People on both sides who bring guns to political rallies are reckless, stupid and irresponsible.

But when you start waving a sign like Kostric did, that just goes way over any reasonable line. His main objective was NOT self-defense.

The democrat/health reform supporter in the article I linked to was also waving a sign.

[gtc]

Well, I can see a reason for the Democrat to pack, if there are armed thugs trying to intimidate lefties.

I usually pack my concealed .38 spl specificly for self-defense at demonstrations because I know that rightwingers here get aggressive, and staying home is not an option.

But when you start waving a sign like Kostric did, that just goes way over any reasonable line. His main objective was NOT self-defense.

Why would say WTF and demand evidence for the claim that left wingers have brought weapons to rallies when you are on the left and have brought weapons to rallies?

[leftysergeant]

Why would say WTF and demand evidence for the claim that left wingers have brought weapons to rallies when you are on the left and have brought weapons to rallies?

Legally carrying a concealed weapon in a hostile environment and not displaying it in an intimidating manner is a hell of a lot different from openly carrying a loaded weapon and a sign that suggests that it is time to kill a government figure.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Legally carrying a concealed weapon in a hostile environment and not displaying it in an intimidating manner is a hell of a lot different from openly carrying a loaded weapon and a sign that suggests that it is time to kill a government figure.

People on both sides who bring guns to political rallies are reckless, stupid and irresponsible.

[leftysergeant]

Proper self-defense handguns have a caliber that begins with .4.

158 grain LSWC will adjust an orc's attitude quite well. And I do not know that many people who can put fortyfive out of fifty in the 9-ring in less than ten minutes with an M 1911. (Mind you, my Rossi is a five-shot and I always fire single-action.)

[leftysergeant]

People on both sides who bring guns to political rallies are reckless, stupid and irresponsible.

People like Kostric are among the reasons I pack. They had best not get froggy.

[Howie Felterbush]

158 grain LSWC will adjust an orc's attitude quite well. And I do not know that many people who can put fortyfive out of fifty in the 9-ring in less than ten minutes with an M 1911. (Mind you, my Rossi is a five-shot and I always fire single-action.)


In a self-defense situation, I'm more concerned with the damage one round can do, because one might be all you can get. Might as well maximize it.

Someone once asked the old gunslinger why he carried a Colt .45.

His response?

"Because they don't make a Colt .46."

[Sword_Of_Truth]

People like Kostric are among the reasons I pack. They had best not get froggy.

"Froggy"? Is that a refernce to dangerous subversive activities like the premeditated wearing of green T-shirts? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=160480) Do you have a codename for such people, like "Kermit". As in, "We have another kermit approaching from the east, should I engage, over?"

Seriously, Lefty... you need to leave the gun at home. I ain't kidding.

[leftysergeant]

"Froggy"? Is that a refernce to dangerous subversive activities like the premeditated wearing of green T-shirts? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=160480)

No, I mean trying to act out the Turner Diaries scenario.

[Grizzly Bear]

My BS meter went skyrocketing when I saw the video. Why in the heck did I bother reading this thread? I want my 2 minutes back.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No, I mean trying to act out the Turner Diaries scenario.

No... you mean people wearing green shirts. Or have you forgotten your other thread?

Would you like me to quote the posts you made and remind you?

[tyr_13]

In a self-defense situation, I'm more concerned with the damage one round can do, because one might be all you can get. Might as well maximize it.

Someone once asked the old gunslinger why he carried a Colt .45.

His response?

"Because they don't make a Colt .46."

But they do make a .454 Casuel. This is a silly derail. Please take your 'stopping power' woo to another thread. (If you haven't guessed, .223, 5.7x28, and even .22LR are acceptable self-defense rounds in my book, and a fair number of defense instructors.)

[Sporanox]

People like Kostric are among the reasons I pack. They had best not get froggy.

Great scott lefty, you really don't get it. If you asked right-wing carriers the same question, they'd give you the exact same answer.

Obey your own principles, for crap's sake.

[leftysergeant]

Great scott lefty, you really don't get it. If you asked right-wing carriers the same question, they'd give you the exact same answer.

Why don't you get what the moron meant by "It is time to water the Tree of Liberty?"

[Sporanox]

Why don't you get what the moron meant by "It is time to water the Tree of Liberty?"

That's one guy. I'm not familiar with the specifics of his case, but in no way does he represent all right-wing carriers. For example, I've met more reasonable ones. Self-defense is the prevailing reason.

[leftysergeant]

That's one guy. I'm not familiar with the specifics of his case, but in no way does he represent all right-wing carriers.

No, of course he does not represent most lawful gun owners. The law is meant to keep lunatics from buying them, but there are gaps in the net.

Self-defense is the prevailing reason.

Which is exactly my point. Creeps like Kostric have weapons for the purpose of armed uprising.

Read the sign the moron was waving.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The law is meant to keep lunatics from buying them, but there are gaps in the net.

So how does someone who thinks that wearing a green shirt to a political rally constitutes involvement in a conspiracy to commit violence manage to get a gun?

[carlitos]

Too bad more trade unionists and Jews did not break some skulls in 1930.
Oh no he di'nt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)?!
:eek:

[NoZed Avenger]

Too bad more trade unionists and Jews did not break some skulls in 1930.

So your opponents are Nazis, such that violence is completely justified -- even laudable -- against them, and you also announce you carry a firearm around with you to political demonstrations.


Frankly, those facts worry me a lot more than some morons with signs.

[leftysergeant]

Frankly, those facts worry me a lot more than some morons with signs.

Don't you think you should be more worried about the kind of idiot who wants an armed upprising?

[leftysergeant]

So your opponents are Nazis, such that violence is completely justified -- even laudable -- against them, and you also announce you carry a firearm around with you to political demonstrations.

Some of therm are, actually. some are useful idiots working in support of Nazis, like Kostric.

If they take up arms and start putting their opponents down, they earned a bullet, just as the SA did. What Kostric fails to grasp is that we have a 2nd Ammendment largely to keep his kind in line.

The outlaw militias are organizing again, and Kostric is on the cutting edge whether he has an official tie with them or not. Useful idiots are best kept out of the chain of command.

[Skeptic]

In Israel, most people serve in the army and therefore have access to weapons and have been in wars.

So the urge to brag about how you are "packing heat", how much you know about small arms and their use (as if that is some sort of esoteric knowledge only a select few have), or how you are "ready for anything" and that the "bad guys better not mess with me" passes around age 18 or so at the latest.

In the USA things are different, but not that different.

Childish bragging, in my opinion, nothing more.

[Pardalis]

So instead of having one lunatic to keep their eye on at rallies, now the police has two lunatics to worry about?

[Skeptic]

Don't you think you should be more worried about the kind of idiot who wants an armed upprising?

The only person here who claims he goes around with a gun threatening to shoot political opponents is you.

Why you would need a gun, though, is a mystery to me. As an Israeli, I naturally walked around with a gun in places where you really need that gun for self defense, and political demonstrations from the opposition party is not such a place.

[Pardalis]

Don't you think you should be more worried about the kind of idiot who wants an armed upprising?

Don't you think it's the police and the FBI's job to worry about those people (if they exist), not you?

[Skeptic]

So instead of having one lunatic to keep their eye on at rallies, now the police has two lunatics to worry about?

I don't think we have anything to worry about. Lefty has been "packing heat" for years, and has "threatened" the "fascists" with dire retribution countless times, yet he never actually shoots anybody.

His threats are, as Macbeth said, "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[leftysergeant]

Don't you think it's the police and the FBI's job to worry about those people (if they exist), not you?

Part of what keeps other countries from invading the USA or the outlaw militias from rising up is that armed citizens will not stand for it.

[Pardalis]

Part of what keeps other countries from invading the USA or the outlaw militias from rising up is that armed citizens will not stand for it.

Uh? I thought America's geographic isolation made it unlikely to be invaded by foreign nations, unless you think Canada and Mexico are a threat.

And as for outlaw militias, I think the FBI is doing most of the work for you. I didn't see any civilians fight at Waco.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Lefty... do you understand that you are freaking people out who otherwise agree with you on most other issues? Did you not see the post here where you got thrown into the same category as Glenn Beck?

And now you're talking about people who in your mind have earned a bullet?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I don't think we have anything to worry about. Lefty has been "packing heat" for years, and has "threatened" the "fascists" with dire retribution countless times, yet he never actually shoots anybody.

His threats are, as Macbeth said, "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

The Holocaust Museum Killer, James Von Brunn*, spent 20 years on a slow boil before finally snapping and murdering that security guard. All that time between his prison release for his first offense and his violent rampage at the museum, he spent bragging about his arsenal and spewing violent rhetoric to friend and stranger alike.

Now I know 99% of these guys are all hot air trying to sound tough. I used to know several people like this and thus far they haven't gone on any killing sprees... yet. But there is no real way (aside from that 10,000 rounds of ammo) to tell which one out of the hundred will be the one to snap.

I hope that Lefty's prescence on a critical thinkers forum indicates he has the ability to listen to reason and will comply if enough people tell him to leave the bloody gun at home.


*Yes, Lefty. There is enough that you have in common with this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Museum_Shooting#James_von_Brunn), that he is a valid subject for comparison to you.

[leftysergeant]

As an Israeli, I naturally walked around with a gun in places where you really need that gun for self defense, and political demonstrations from the opposition party is not such a place.

We haven't gotten to the point where terrorist attacks are a daily concern yet. But the whackos are organizing. They have caused some problems before, and may feel emboldened by the fact that right wing radio and print are seemingly more sympathetic to their cause now.

How long before they start taking Michael Wiener and Beck seriously and start acting out?

How long before they start bringing guns to demonstrations to break them up like the SA did in Germany?

The police can't be everywhere.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

But the whackos are organizing.

No they aren't. They are sitting on the internet bragging about their ammo sockpiles and obsessing about mens casual wear.

The police can't be everywhere.

Is that a threat, Lefty?

[Eyeron]

No. The police should be everywhere.

[leftysergeant]

No they aren't. They are sitting on the internet bragging about their ammo sockpiles and obsessing about mens casual wear.



Is that a threat, Lefty?

No. It is a recognition of the fact that sometimes ordinary citizens have to use lethal force to protect themselves because, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No. It is a recognition of the fact that sometimes ordinary citizens have to use lethal force to protect themselves because, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

"I saw a guy with a green shirt, I swear I had only seconds to act, officer!"

[gtc]

Oh no he di'nt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)?!
:eek:

Its an odd thing to say, particularly given that in another thread he seems to be suggesting that most Jews are money grubbers:

Al Franken once commented that the idea of a liberal war on Christmas wouldn't make much sense. He especially took issue with the suggestion from some of the more extreme whackadoodles who suggested that Hews were driving that war. He pointed out that most Jews, being more or less of the merchant class, would really not benefit much from less enthusiastic celebration of a holiday that involved a lot of gift-giving.

[leftysergeant]

Its an odd thing to say, particularly given that in another thread he seems to be suggesting that most Jews are money grubbers:
No, I said that Al Franken made that joke to poke fun at BillO and Hannity.

[Sporanox]

This is giving me the creeps. What if a guy wearing a green polo at a demonstration gets shot for waving his sign around threateningly?

[leftysergeant]

Oh no he di'nt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)?!
:eek:

Meh! If Tea Baggers resembled the SA less, your concern would be valid.

[leftysergeant]

This is giving me the creeps. What if a guy wearing a green polo at a demonstration gets shot for waving his sign around threateningly?

Some of those involved in Tea Bagger riots do a lot more than wave signs. Some of them are Operation Rescue thugs. (In case you missed it, some of them go off and do things like bomb women's health clinics and walk up to dovctors in church and kill them.)

I've even pointed out one polo-shirt wearing thug who, according to some women in his hometown, really creeps people out. He's one of the reasons some women in health care pack when they are out of the clinic.

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/the_bubble_bill_tested/

[Skeptic]

Its an odd thing to say, particularly given that in another thread he seems to be suggesting that most Jews are money grubbers:

Al Franken is, I think, himself a Jew.

Even if not, I can see how he would make such a remark tongue-in-cheek, as part of a stand-up sketch, much like Chris Rock might declare that Blacks are "mostly" drug dealers in a similar sketch, or Cho claim that "most" Koreans own a grocery store.

In context, I am quite certain Franken's remark was NOT antisemitic.

The problem begins when Lefty takes this sort of thing as serious analysis about what Jews are like. He seems not to understand that Franken was joking.

It's as if someone listened to a comedian in the Borscht Belt tell Jewish jokes, and takes it all seriously, as an analysis of what the Jews are really like.

:con2:

Go figure.

[Skeptic]

This is giving me the creeps. What if a guy wearing a green polo at a demonstration gets shot for waving his sign around threateningly?

Ah, relax. Lefty's all talk, no action.

[Skeptic]

The Holocaust Museum Killer, James Von Brunn*, spent 20 years on a slow boil before finally snapping and murdering that security guard.

Now I know 99% of these guys are all hot air trying to sound tough. I used to know several people like this and thus far they haven't gone on any killing sprees... yet. But there is no real way (aside from that 10,000 rounds of ammo) to tell which one out of the hundred will be the one to snap.

True. But there's no knowing when anyone would snap. My point is not that people who talk like Lefty never snap, but that they aren't any more liable to snap than the non-bragger John Doe. Their pathetic rants don't prove they either will or will not do anything -- these rants are just irrelevant.

[leftysergeant]

The problem begins when Lefty takes this sort of thing as serious analysis about what Jews are like. He seems not to understand that Franken was joking.

It's as if someone listened to a comedian in the Borscht Belt tell Jewish jokes, and takes it all seriously, as an analysis of what the Jews are really like.


Actually, Borscht belt humor is a good indicator of what American Jews are really like.

Tough people, with an ironic sense of humor that helps them survive in a world full of brainless thugs like Beck, Hannity and the fat deaf eunuch.

[Skeptic]

Actually, Borscht belt humor is a good indicator of what American Jews are really like.

Not really, no.

Tough people, with an ironic sense of humor that helps them survive in a world full of brainless thugs like Beck, Hannity and the fat deaf eunuch.

Because when I think of people who prosecuted the Jews, the first names on my list are "Glenn Beck" and "Rush Limbaugh".

[carlitos]

Tough people, with an ironic sense of humor that helps them survive in a world full of brainless thugs like Beck, Hannity and the fat deaf eunuch.The only one in this thread exhibiting brainless thuggery (i.e., carrying guns to crowded demonstrations and condoning violence) is the thread starter.

[leftysergeant]

"Condoning violence?" Suggesting that the trade unionists and Jews would have made the world a better place had they more militantly resisted the SA is hardly condoning violence. It's called "self-defense."

[carlitos]

Please seek help.

[Grizzly Bear]

Has anyone broken the news to lefty that his fantasies about politics are getting battier? Or because I'm still a bit new to his politics has anything changed at all? :confused:

[Cobalt]

Has anyone broken the news to lefty that his fantasies about politics are getting battier? Or because I'm still a bit new to his politics has anything changed at all? :confused:

The real conspiracy is that it's a massive trolling effort just to piss off lefty. I joined up, got my Green Polo™ uniform to the "Evil Thugs Club®"

Join today and you get a sooper seekrit decoder ring!

[Skeptic]

Someone should tell Lefty that "been there, done that, got the T-shirt" is a figure of speech.

[gtc]

Has anyone broken the news to lefty that his fantasies about politics are getting battier? Or because I'm still a bit new to his politics has anything changed at all? :confused:

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126802) and you will see its nothing new.

I particularly like the way he claims to have been on the backfoot due to his age and infirmity compared to the people he was abusing. But I bet the people he was abusing weren't armed. He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

*boloboffin saying two people protesting against Obama were just like the terrorists about Flight 93 and 'evil'. Amapola demanding that people who think Leftysergeant is full of it prove that the 'neo-nazis' were innocent.

What is even funnier is that towards the end of the thread, lefty throws in a claim that the 'nazis' were sent there by the Republicans.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126802) and you will see its nothing new.

He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

*boloboffin saying two people protesting against Obama were just like the terrorists about Flight 93 and 'evil'. Amapola demanding that people who think Leftysergeant is full of it prove that the 'neo-nazis' were innocent.

In fairness to rational liberals who post here, I looked over that thread and saw at least one liberal who defended him in that thread and has abandoned him in this one.

Maybe it's because that thread was in the last weeks before the election and the pressure isn't as intense now. Maybe it's lefty's candid confession that he carries a gun to political rallies and looks for trouble.

Either way... those on the left and the right who champion civilized debate are to be commended.

[leftysergeant]

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126802) and you will see its nothing new.

I particularly like the way he claims to have been on the backfoot due to his age and infirmity compared to the people he was abusing. But I bet the people he was abusing weren't armed. He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

I wasn't abusing anyone. I was reducing the possibility that someone else might start stomping on the little Nazi dirtbags, which was their intention. Take a stomping or give a stomping for the cause, it's all good for street cred among that sort of slimeballs, unless, of course, you have to explain to some big brute of a cell mate with kink on his mind how you wound up there for smacking an old disabled veteran around.

And I was not armed. I had just come out of a Joe Biden campaign event.

Of course, had it turned violent, I would not have been in much danger, given that there were about a hundred people, a good number of them Army veterans, watching and applauding the way I got in the thugs' faces.

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

[Sporanox]

I wasn't abusing anyone. I was reducing the possibility that someone else might start stomping on the little Nazi dirtbags, which was their intention. Take a stomping or give a stomping for the cause, it's all good for street cred among that sort of slimeballs, unless, of course, you have to explain to some big brute of a cell mate with kink on his mind how you wound up there for smacking an old disabled veteran around.

And I was not armed. I had just come out of a Joe Biden campaign event.

Of course, had it turned violent, I would not have been in much danger, given that there were about a hundred people, a good number of them Army veterans, watching and applauding the way I got in the thugs' faces.

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

You were reducing the possibility of a beatdown by assembling a riled-up crowd of Army veterans. Bang-up job, lefty. Bang-up job.

[gtc]

In fairness to rational liberals who post here, I looked over that thread and saw at least one liberal who defended him in that thread and has abandoned him in this one.

I agree. That is why I thought he would get less support for his previous actions.

[gtc]

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

Maybe its different down under but I have never seen a cop who would care who started a confrontation like that. Escalating a situation annoys them as much as starting a situation and they always look for the solution that seperates the two sides with the least amount of effort and the least chance for further trouble (at least the sensible ones do this). Telling the two to leave seems to fit that to a tee; given that you lot were on your way out anyway and co-ordinating the removal of a group of less than able and possibly crazed vets would be a lot of hassle.

[leftysergeant]

You were reducing the possibility of a beatdown by assembling a riled-up crowd of Army veterans. Bang-up job, lefty. Bang-up job.

Actually, a lot of them were getting kind of angry already, but most started laughing at the consternation that the two showed when they realized that they were not getting what they came for, rather like two Rottweilers being embarrassed by a yappy little Pomeranian.

[Sporanox]

Actually, a lot of them were getting kind of angry already, but most started laughing at the consternation that the two showed when they realized that they were not getting what they came for, rather like two Rottweilers being embarrassed by a yappy little Pomeranian.

Yes, I suppose that within the boundaries of your memory you can bend reality to whatever you wish. However, for the rest of us, it's clear that you started a confrontation and were inciting a mob.

[leftysergeant]

However, for the rest of us, it's clear that you started a confrontation and were inciting a mob.

Let's see, two people wearing absurd attire for the weather walked at least half a mile to be among people who despised their political views and began acting in an intimidating manner whish indicated they were looking for a fight, and I provoked an incident.

Sorry, I don't follow your logic.

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalist gangs in the area, as few in number as they may be, and was intended to be intimidating. Their posture as they approached groups of people was clearly intended to bew intimidating. They were acting in a way clearly intended to inspire fear.

Fear will cause people to do one of two things. Either they will get intimidated and back down, or pissed off and attack in percieved self-defense. The white nationalists are trained to use this basic priniciple to get away with some horrendous ass-whuppings and an occassional murder.

I was not about to let it get to the point where Biden supporters were going to be made to fear for their safety, or to the point that some otherwise decent bloke might over-react and seriouslly injure the thugs before they could commit a clear crime.

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

There was, thus, no chance of a positive outcome for them, and everybody who mattered had a good laugh at them.

Where is the harm done?

(To anybody whose feelings matter, that is.)

[Skeptic]

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalist gangs in the area

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

[Skeptic]

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

I don't see what crime they were even supposed to commit. This means what you really did was to give them the choice to be beat up by your gang, or else to go away. You are a fascist, using gang violence to silence dissent -- and are proud of it.

What you are using is precisely the same sort of tactic the SA used to silence "communist saboteurs" or "Jewish murderers" or "Jesuit bloodsuckers" or whomever else they disliked from expressing their political views: threaten to beat them up with a gang of army veterans (most early SA men were ex-WWI soldiers) unless they go away.

They usually DID go away -- so, after all, where was the harm done?

(To anybody who was an Aryan, that is.)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

In the interests of full disclosure, several of my posts in this thread were written while wearing a red polo shirt with an embroidered "Support the Troops" yellow ribbon emblem over the left breast.

Is that sufficiently fascist for you, Lefty?

[gtc]

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

I very much doubt that you would have gotten away with physically assaulting them.

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

No, two of them had on jeans and blue tank tops. You know, like what Hitler wore.

For some reason he sees a lot of significance in ordinary items of male attire.

[Sporanox]

Let's see, two people wearing absurd attire for the weather walked at least half a mile to be among people who despised their political views and began acting in an intimidating manner whish indicated they were looking for a fight, and I provoked an incident.

Yes, a swaggering walk typical of teenagers, attire typical of teenagers/young adults, and loud protesting. Yes, they were clearly looking for a fight.

What?

[Sporanox]

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalists in this area. They appeared to me to be looking for a fight. I decided that these fools presented a bit of a threat, since Biden and several other candidates were still in the area for VIP meet-and-greets, and the fools were headed toward the entrance to the stadium.

This seemed to me a bit less than acceptable.

In hindsight, actually, they were looking for a fight and an assassination. Again, beware those teenage protesters.

[Skeptic]

Oh my God! Two swaggering teenagers who disagree with my political views!!! That's an assassination squad if I've ever seen one! Quick, quick, round up a gang of veterans to beat them up if they try anything!

[leftysergeant]

Oh my God! Two swaggering teenagers who disagree with my political views!!!

Actually, tweo swaggering, muscular tough guys dressed like the local white nationalist gangs, trying to spoil the fun of a crowd of adults. spoiling for a fight. I have no doubt in my mind that Kenny and the idiot pastor from Montana were about the same thing at the Carnahan event. They created an event and it worked to the favor of the Tea Baggers, so far.

That's an assassination squad if I've ever seen one! Quick, quick, round up a gang of veterans to beat them up if they try anything!

There was not a very big security contingent around Biden, and even fewer city cops. A fight in one location leaves another less protected.

Anyway, what is wrong with making life miserable for dirt bags who harrass citizens who act responsibly? The thugs were not there for any peaceable purpose. Frankly, I was getting a little tired of their kind showing up whenever there was a political gathering of which they and the jerks on rightwing radio did not like. I have seen it come to counter-demonstrators trying to push old people off the sidewalks into traffic. It is time someone pushes back.

[carlitos]

Actually, tweo swaggering, muscular tough guys dressed like the local white nationalist gangs, trying to spoil the fun of a crowd of adults. spoiling for a fight. I have no doubt in my mind that Kenny and the idiot pastor from Montana were about the same thing at the Carnahan event. They created an event and it worked to the favor of the Tea Baggers, so far.



There was not a very big security contingent around Biden, and even fewer city cops. A fight in one location leaves another less protected.

Anyway, what is wrong with making life miserable for dirt bags who harrass citizens who act responsibly? The thugs were not there for any peaceable purpose. Frankly, I was getting a little tired of their kind showing up whenever there was a political gathering of which they and the jerks on rightwing radio did not like. I have seen it come to counter-demonstrators trying to push old people off the sidewalks into traffic. It is time someone pushes back.
Emphasis added.

[Skeptic]

This, too, carlitos, is typical fascism: all their violence is justified, "in their own mind", as merely "pushing back" against those evil people (Jews, Catholics, whomever) who dare disagree with them, and are no doubt planning some awful conspiracy.

[NoZed Avenger]

It is time someone pushes back.

Within the same thread, we have:

- Statements (plural) that the "other side" are brownshirts straight from WW2 and the Nazi Party. They are apparently just like the SA in the 1930s, and perhaps even worse.

- Statements that the jews and oppressed in Germany should have taken violent action against the SA in the 1930s.

- Claims of gun ownership and that he carries, potentially to rallies where these modern-day brownshirts will come.

- Claims he can tell the brownshirt attitudes on sight.

- And now a statement that it is time to "push back."


Maybe the next -obvious- implication is not meant, but it doesn't take much to connect all that -- this isn't a hidden Bible code, this is all in this thread.

I would take it as a personal favor, leftysergeant, if you would disclaim any intent to use violence at a political rally against any political opponent (Making the exception for self-defense if that even were to become necessary, of course. But by self-defense, I don't mean you could 'just tell' they were 'about to' become violent or threatenting, but the legal definition.).

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I would take it as a personal favor, leftysergeant, if you would disclaim any intent to use violence at a political rally against any political opponent.

A pledge of non-violence isn't enough, IMO. He simply needs to leave the gun at home.